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		<title>By: Deborah (Discerning the World)</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/26/tb-joshua-false-miracle-man/#comment-3644</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah (Discerning the World)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Akaazua Hanmaikyur


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&gt;&gt;   He prophesized the death of Jackson and the Victory of Ghan team, how is that related to salvation and making heaven which is the ultimate? &lt;/blockquote&gt;



Exactly, miracles (false or even true ones) do not bring about salvation and repentance of sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Akaazua Hanmaikyur</p>
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&gt;&gt;   He prophesized the death of Jackson and the Victory of Ghan team, how is that related to salvation and making heaven which is the ultimate? </p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly, miracles (false or even true ones) do not bring about salvation and repentance of sin.</p>
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		<title>By: Akaazua Hanmaikyur</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/26/tb-joshua-false-miracle-man/#comment-3623</link>
		<dc:creator>Akaazua Hanmaikyur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think performing miracles alone is not a sign that a minister is a true servant of God. My concern is that T. B. Joshua&#039;s prophecies has to do mostly with carnal secular and not spiritual things. I prefere a preacher that talks about Holiness, Sanctification, Readiness for Christ&#039;s return to the miracle worker who focuses so much on miracles. He prophesized the death of Jackson and the Victory of Ghan team, how is that related to salvation and making heaven which is the ultimate? though i dont know much about the man,i believe most of the negative things they are saying about him, especially looking at the carnal fleshly things that forms the hub of his prophecies. Are we saying that all the preachers writing against him are wrong? How about the confessions of his former close associates. let us not be decieved by miracles and philantropy.
Akaazua Hanmaikyur</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think performing miracles alone is not a sign that a minister is a true servant of God. My concern is that T. B. Joshua&#8217;s prophecies has to do mostly with carnal secular and not spiritual things. I prefere a preacher that talks about Holiness, Sanctification, Readiness for Christ&#8217;s return to the miracle worker who focuses so much on miracles. He prophesized the death of Jackson and the Victory of Ghan team, how is that related to salvation and making heaven which is the ultimate? though i dont know much about the man,i believe most of the negative things they are saying about him, especially looking at the carnal fleshly things that forms the hub of his prophecies. Are we saying that all the preachers writing against him are wrong? How about the confessions of his former close associates. let us not be decieved by miracles and philantropy.<br />
Akaazua Hanmaikyur</p>
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		<title>By: Discerning the World</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/26/tb-joshua-false-miracle-man/#comment-1385</link>
		<dc:creator>Discerning the World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael

&gt;&gt;   You would expect a 10 page thesis and exposition to come after that. No, the answer – wait for it, it’s so simple – ‘if he asks the congregation for money’. 

Oh yes, I read that a year ago.  I laughed.  But yet they will hand their cash over because they think that money can buy salvation.  Like the time Simon Magus tried to buy the gifts of the Holy Spirit from Peter so he could go and sell it to others.  Acts 8.

O&#039;Ohhhh....well now....that verse just closed down every &lt;em&gt;Profit &lt;/em&gt;out there running a &lt;em&gt;Simony &lt;/em&gt;church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;   You would expect a 10 page thesis and exposition to come after that. No, the answer – wait for it, it’s so simple – ‘if he asks the congregation for money’. </p>
<p>Oh yes, I read that a year ago.  I laughed.  But yet they will hand their cash over because they think that money can buy salvation.  Like the time Simon Magus tried to buy the gifts of the Holy Spirit from Peter so he could go and sell it to others.  Acts 8.</p>
<p>O&#8217;Ohhhh&#8230;.well now&#8230;.that verse just closed down every <em>Profit </em>out there running a <em>Simony </em>church.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/26/tb-joshua-false-miracle-man/#comment-1381</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bola

[quote] If he is not a man of God, he will fail. But if he is from God, there is Nothing you can do to stop the work of God through him. [End of quote]

Gamaliel Alert

So by using this great insight of yours (and Gamaliel in the bible) we can deduce that Islam has succeeded because God is behind it? Right... 

Uh, dude...sorry, that is not the biblical standard. 

There was a &#039;booklet&#039; found/excavated from one of the early churches in Asia Minor. It is not scripture, simply a simple one page-ish instruction on church administration. Nothing mind blowing, just reiterating scripture. 

What is devastatingly interesting is the section on how to &#039;spot a false prophet in the church&#039;

You would expect a 10 page thesis and exposition to come after that. No, the answer - wait for it, it&#039;s so simple - &#039;if he asks the congregation for money&#039;. 

Makes you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bola</p>
<p>[quote] If he is not a man of God, he will fail. But if he is from God, there is Nothing you can do to stop the work of God through him. [End of quote]</p>
<p>Gamaliel Alert</p>
<p>So by using this great insight of yours (and Gamaliel in the bible) we can deduce that Islam has succeeded because God is behind it? Right&#8230; </p>
<p>Uh, dude&#8230;sorry, that is not the biblical standard. </p>
<p>There was a &#8216;booklet&#8217; found/excavated from one of the early churches in Asia Minor. It is not scripture, simply a simple one page-ish instruction on church administration. Nothing mind blowing, just reiterating scripture. </p>
<p>What is devastatingly interesting is the section on how to &#8216;spot a false prophet in the church&#8217;</p>
<p>You would expect a 10 page thesis and exposition to come after that. No, the answer &#8211; wait for it, it&#8217;s so simple &#8211; &#8216;if he asks the congregation for money&#8217;. </p>
<p>Makes you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Discerning the World</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/26/tb-joshua-false-miracle-man/#comment-1187</link>
		<dc:creator>Discerning the World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 10:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Akinwande

It is writtten:

&lt;strong&gt;Matthew 24:27&lt;/strong&gt;
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

&lt;strong&gt;Matthew 24:23-26 &lt;/strong&gt;
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.&#039;

&lt;strong&gt;1 Thessalonians 4:16-17&lt;/strong&gt; 
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

&lt;strong&gt;Matthew 24:30-31&lt;/strong&gt;
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

&lt;strong&gt;Matthew 24:37-41 &lt;/strong&gt;
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

&lt;strong&gt;Luke 17:28-30 &lt;/strong&gt;
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

&lt;strong&gt;2 Thessalonians 1:7-8&lt;/strong&gt; 
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

&lt;strong&gt;Acts 1:9-11&lt;/strong&gt; 
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

&lt;strong&gt;Revelation 1:7&lt;/strong&gt; 
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

&lt;strong&gt;Psalm 50:3-4&lt;/strong&gt; 
Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.

&lt;strong&gt;Hebrews 12:26&lt;/strong&gt;
Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven

&lt;strong&gt;Revelation 19:11-14&lt;/strong&gt;
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Ok, so as we can clearly see,  TB Joshua &lt;strong&gt;IS NOT&lt;/strong&gt; JESUS CHRIST the SON of GOD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Akinwande</p>
<p>It is writtten:</p>
<p><strong>Matthew 24:27</strong><br />
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.</p>
<p><strong>Matthew 24:23-26 </strong><br />
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>1 Thessalonians 4:16-17</strong><br />
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.</p>
<p><strong>Matthew 24:30-31</strong><br />
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.</p>
<p><strong>Matthew 24:37-41 </strong><br />
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.</p>
<p><strong>Luke 17:28-30 </strong><br />
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.</p>
<p><strong>2 Thessalonians 1:7-8</strong><br />
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.</p>
<p><strong>Acts 1:9-11</strong><br />
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.</p>
<p><strong>Revelation 1:7</strong><br />
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.</p>
<p><strong>Psalm 50:3-4</strong><br />
Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.</p>
<p><strong>Hebrews 12:26</strong><br />
Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven</p>
<p><strong>Revelation 19:11-14</strong><br />
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.</p>
<p>Ok, so as we can clearly see,  TB Joshua <strong>IS NOT</strong> JESUS CHRIST the SON of GOD</p>
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		<title>By: AKINWANDE TAYLOR</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/26/tb-joshua-false-miracle-man/#comment-1186</link>
		<dc:creator>AKINWANDE TAYLOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 05:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OPEN QUESTION TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER BUT PERSECUTION AND SARCASTIC TALK.IF THE GOD THEY KNOW COME  NOW IN HUMAN FORM  IN THIS OUR GENERATION WHAT DO THEY EXPECT THE BELIEVERS  TO SEE AND TO RECEIVE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OPEN QUESTION TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER BUT PERSECUTION AND SARCASTIC TALK.IF THE GOD THEY KNOW COME  NOW IN HUMAN FORM  IN THIS OUR GENERATION WHAT DO THEY EXPECT THE BELIEVERS  TO SEE AND TO RECEIVE.</p>
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		<title>By: AKINWANDE TAYLOR</title>
		<link>http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/26/tb-joshua-false-miracle-man/#comment-1185</link>
		<dc:creator>AKINWANDE TAYLOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 05:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ONLY WANT TO USE THIS MEDIUM TO REACH ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHOM JESUS CHRIST DELIBERATED ABOUT SAYING THAT THEY STAND AT THE DOOR .IN ENTERING THEY WILL NOT ENTER IN GOING OUT THEY WILL NOT GO. THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING GOOD IN WHAT THE LIVING GOD IS USING A MAN LIKE THEM TO DO . I AM HERE IN GERMANY PRECISELY KÖLN AND I HAVE CHALLENGED THOUSANDS OF THOSE WHO ARE PERSECUTING THE WORK OF GOD TO COME OUT TO DOM TRAIN STATION TO COME AND SHOW THE POWER OF THE GOD THEY KNOW. PLEASE, WE DO NOT WANT THE FAILURES WHO HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER HUMANITY TO   SAY ANYTHING  TO THE REVIVAL OF THE BELIEVERS. MANY BELIEVERS HAVE BEEN SLEEPING NOW GOD IN HIS INFINITE MERCY IS TALKING TO US SAYING ARISE AND HE IS USING  HUMAN BEING LIKE YOU AND ME AS A MOTIVATIVE  FACTOR ,THEN IF THE PERSECUTORS AND ANY OF THEIR FAMILY ARE NOT ENJOYING THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THEN, THEY SHOULD PRAY HARD FOR THAT RATHER THAN THEIR SARCASTIC STATEMENT EVERY WHERE:ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ONLY WANT TO USE THIS MEDIUM TO REACH ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHOM JESUS CHRIST DELIBERATED ABOUT SAYING THAT THEY STAND AT THE DOOR .IN ENTERING THEY WILL NOT ENTER IN GOING OUT THEY WILL NOT GO. THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING GOOD IN WHAT THE LIVING GOD IS USING A MAN LIKE THEM TO DO . I AM HERE IN GERMANY PRECISELY KÖLN AND I HAVE CHALLENGED THOUSANDS OF THOSE WHO ARE PERSECUTING THE WORK OF GOD TO COME OUT TO DOM TRAIN STATION TO COME AND SHOW THE POWER OF THE GOD THEY KNOW. PLEASE, WE DO NOT WANT THE FAILURES WHO HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER HUMANITY TO   SAY ANYTHING  TO THE REVIVAL OF THE BELIEVERS. MANY BELIEVERS HAVE BEEN SLEEPING NOW GOD IN HIS INFINITE MERCY IS TALKING TO US SAYING ARISE AND HE IS USING  HUMAN BEING LIKE YOU AND ME AS A MOTIVATIVE  FACTOR ,THEN IF THE PERSECUTORS AND ANY OF THEIR FAMILY ARE NOT ENJOYING THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THEN, THEY SHOULD PRAY HARD FOR THAT RATHER THAN THEIR SARCASTIC STATEMENT EVERY WHERE:ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.</p>
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		<title>By: Discerning the World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Discerning the World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watched those 8 videos.  Very scary stuff.  It&#039;s a pity though that the pastor who did the second half of the videos spoke so fast, it was difficult to understand. Never the less, the proof is there - yet still people don&#039;t want to listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watched those 8 videos.  Very scary stuff.  It&#8217;s a pity though that the pastor who did the second half of the videos spoke so fast, it was difficult to understand. Never the less, the proof is there &#8211; yet still people don&#8217;t want to listen.</p>
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		<title>By: Discerning the World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Discerning the World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Santa

This is not a brownie points competition to see who can get the most facts etc, etc, etc.  This about warning people that TB Joshua runs a cult and the most horrendus things take place in his ministry while he uses the THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST to deceive.   

And anyone who ardently reads the Word of God would clearly see (because the Holy Spirit in you would WARN YOU so) that TB Joshua is evil and that people need to stay clear from him at all costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Santa</p>
<p>This is not a brownie points competition to see who can get the most facts etc, etc, etc.  This about warning people that TB Joshua runs a cult and the most horrendus things take place in his ministry while he uses the THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST to deceive.   </p>
<p>And anyone who ardently reads the Word of God would clearly see (because the Holy Spirit in you would WARN YOU so) that TB Joshua is evil and that people need to stay clear from him at all costs.</p>
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		<title>By: santa.</title>
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		<dc:creator>santa.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, Christians, we may all have diverse reasons to support or suspect Prophet T.B Joshua. But after all is said and done, no one will receive favour on THE DAY of JUDGEMENT because he came out with the fact or fallacy that T.B Joshua is a true Prophet. Actually, all of us, including Prophet T.B. Joshua will be judged individually by GOD.  So i can only say that let&#039;s be ardent readers of the HOLY BIBLE, Let&#039;s continuously seek  the WORD (JESUS CHRIST) till we find HIM and stay with HIM!! With this, we ourselves will know GOD&#039;s true nature n live by HIS examples whiles HE dwelt among us on earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, Christians, we may all have diverse reasons to support or suspect Prophet T.B Joshua. But after all is said and done, no one will receive favour on THE DAY of JUDGEMENT because he came out with the fact or fallacy that T.B Joshua is a true Prophet. Actually, all of us, including Prophet T.B. Joshua will be judged individually by GOD.  So i can only say that let&#8217;s be ardent readers of the HOLY BIBLE, Let&#8217;s continuously seek  the WORD (JESUS CHRIST) till we find HIM and stay with HIM!! With this, we ourselves will know GOD&#8217;s true nature n live by HIS examples whiles HE dwelt among us on earth.</p>
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