Comments on: Mystery Babylon is Surely a Strong Delusion

By: Marthina

Marthina — Sat, 06 Feb 2021 13:56:26 +0000

Hi Tom.
It was your and Deborah’s consistent ‘tone’ (be that stern and strong in your convictions) in writing and replying in your comments and articles that makes me from coming back. Keep it up!

By: Mike Evans

Mike Evans — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 23:53:53 +0000

Thanks John. I did not realise the authors of those articles were Calvinists. In a way, it does not surprise me. As Tom says, they are good at Biblically exposing the errors of Pentecostalism, though the catch is one may fall into the errors of the Pope of Geneva while exiting charismania. I nearly did myself.
Nonetheless, the historical information provided is thorough and damning of the heretics who pioneered this global monstrosity. The sad fact is that most representations of Christianity in the world now are cults which present a different Christ, spirit and gospel and most people go from one to another. No wonder some give up altogether.

By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) — Sat, 12 Sep 2020 06:42:42 +0000

In reply to John. Hi John, Thank you. I didn't do my homework as thorough as you. In fact, I should have done more research, but I do not always have the time. Thanks again. The one thing 'I've noticed about Calvinists is that their research is often very good. Justin Peters, for instance, does a very good job in his research on the NAR and WOF. Unfortunately their motives are wrong, and that is to woo the people into their camp. As you know, Calvinism is spreading like wildfire because of the people who are leaving NAR and WOF ministries. This applies to them.

Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. (Act 20:30)

They are not making disciples to follow Jesus. They are drawing men after them and their damnable doctrines. (TULIP).

By: John

John — Sat, 12 Sep 2020 00:22:00 +0000

Hi Tom and Deborah! Haven’t written in a while but I do keep up with the articles. The link that Mike provides above is interesting, however, if you go to the “About” tab on that website you will see that the author is an pastoring/teaching elder at Hervey Bay Bible Church. If you follow the link to Hervey Bay Bible Church and again go to the “About/Statement of Faith” link you will see that the church is decidedly Calvinist. Read paragraph #7 concerning salvation. Ugh! If that doesn’t convince you, read their article on Faith: http://taministries.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Doctrines-of-Grace-Studies-v4.55.pdf

Keep up the good fight!

John in Alabama

By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) — Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:25:47 +0000

In reply to Mike Evans.

Hi Mike. Thank you for the valuable info. The link you provided is excellent. Keep up the good fight.

People often ask me, “Why are you so angry? Why don’t you tone down your style of writing? In that way you will reach more people.” Our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, often became angry and simultaneously grieved for the hardness of people’s hearts. (Mark 3:5).

By: Mike Evans

Mike Evans — Thu, 10 Sep 2020 11:47:42 +0000

Hi again Deborah.
I came across a 12 page PDF exploding the myths and propaganda put forth to deceive people regarding the origins of Pentecostalism. Many entangled in this deceptive restorarion movement (which has much in common with early Mormonism, which layed claim to the gift of tongues/gibberish labelling them ‘Adamic languages’ – they also produced miracles and healings) are told that it is a continuation of the signs of Pentecost. However, even the heretical founders acknowledged they were wanting to RESTORE and REVIVE the Apostolic sign gifts which were universally believed to have ceased centuries earlier . The so-called (second) baptism in the spirit was a doctrine first coined by John Wesley (who, incidentally, was enamoured of the 2nd century charismatic heretic Montanus, who persuaded one highly regarded church “father”, Tertullian, to embrace his teachings. This movement was not finally stamped out until the 4th or 5th century. (No doubt by the OTHER mystical heretics of Rome!))
This article reveals that both Charles Parham and William Seymour renounced the doctrine of tongues as initial evidence of a second Spirit baptism (and early Pentecostals believed there were more baptisms again, each one producing more power). It also has a shocking quote of a statement Parham said to women on a regular basis in meetings which reveals his depraved state of mind.
This is a link to the page which can take one to the PDF “The History-Foundation of the Pentecostal Movement”
http://taministries.net/?page_id=131
Despite giving people bewitched by this cult information such as this, few are willing to look objectively and historically at these facts and be delivered from this strong delusion. I think David Cloud got it right when he drfined it as a global device of Satan to prepare a false church for the AntiChrist. As you have mentioned elsewhere, it seems when some do escape this perverse misrepresentation of the gospel they usually fall into the snare of Calvinism, which may be less overtly mystical but is just as Gnostic and blasphemous.

By: Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah (Discerning the World) — Wed, 26 Aug 2020 13:18:04 +0000

In reply to Mike Evans.

Hi Mike :hi:

The reason I mentioned Billy Graham and no one else is because he was handpicked by the Pope to evangelize their Vatican II Evangelisation Program.

I could have mentioned others, but I feel that Billy Graham did the most direct work for the Vatican in spreading it’s Vatican II gospel.

Yes, Jonathon Edwards was a Calvinist.

I’m glad you mentioned what you did in your comment. There are so many false teachers out there who have had a hand in promoting Roman Catholicism and all these so called revivals.

By: Mike Evans

Mike Evans — Sat, 22 Aug 2020 00:54:51 +0000

Terrific article Deborah.
(One odd element, did you mean to place Pentecostalism as a sub-heading over information on Billy Graham?)
Thinking of two other lauded “revivals”, I am sure I read somewhere that Jonathon Edwards had no desire to reach the lost in the world in his day, but just church members who were wayward. Could this have been because he only wished to minister to “the elect” as it was a waste of time and energy to preach to the chosen damned? As Calvinism is NOT the true gospel, one has to wonder how much good this Great Awakening really did for people. I believe some strange, “Toronto Blessing” style manifestations brought about the end of these meetings. Could this have been a tell-tale sign? It also spawned the “Second Great Awakening” headed up by the heretical (and creepy looking) Charles Finney in the following century.
Also, the present Bethel-produced “revival” taking place in Huntington Beach, CA is being compared to the Jesus movement among hippies of the ’60’s. Adherents are doing so favourably, detractors unfavourably. The truth may lie somewhere in between. While the current debacle is an NAR display of kundalini fire, the earlier one, under Chuck Smith and Lonnie Frisbee, had doctrinal issues re both of these men. I am not saying people were not saved in spite of these errors (Frisbee was very similar to modern day Bethel charismania), however people forget that Calvary Chapel is an offshoot of the Foursquare movement pioneered by heretic and liar Aimee Semple MacPherson and the false doctrine of a second Spirit Baptism is held to by this denomination with the continuation of gifts inc personal, direct revelation. If the latter errors were not given place in the early 20th century, we would not have the monstrous NAR/WOF/Pentecostal domination of professing Christianitu today.
As you state, regardless of sincerity, good motives and certain truths being restored, most if not all revivals leave a legacy of leaven which lasts centuries and destroys multitudes who elevate the founders beyond discernment and valid criticism. My best to you and Tom.

By: Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah (Discerning the World) — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:46:31 +0000

In reply to Nobuddy Special.

Dear Nobuddy Special

You said “Can you prove these things?”

Did you read the article?

Of course the GOSPEL TRUTH has the power to deliver anyone who truly seeks Jesus Christ the Son of God from such a strong delusion. I said that in the article.

You should know this verse:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You said “Unity in the spirit?”

However I must ask, what kind of unity are you referring too? Because there is unity within the body the Christ (the bride of Christ) and then there is ecumenical unity of churches. Which one are you referring to?

By: Nobuddy Special

Nobuddy Special — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 23:58:17 +0000

Can you prove these things?

Is love the most important?

Unity in the spirit?

Does God want all men to come to repentance and knowledge of the truth?

Or are the devil’s lies too much

Shouldn’t the true gospel have power to deliver these people from strong delusion?