Comments on: How to Prepare for a Visitation of Jesus https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2019/11/08/how-to-prepare-for-a-visitation-of-jesus/ Discerning Biblical Answers for Christians in Todays World Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:01:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2019/11/08/how-to-prepare-for-a-visitation-of-jesus/#comment-494735 Fri, 10 Jan 2020 06:40:00 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=32087#comment-494735 In reply to Olaf.

Thanks Olaf. Do you believe in the Pre-tribulation Rapture for Christ’s own ((his Bride) and his Second Advent to the earth to rescue his people from the clutches of the Antichrist and the nations?

Read this for your own edification. https://www.thebereancall.org/content/truth-about-palestine

]]> By: Olaf https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2019/11/08/how-to-prepare-for-a-visitation-of-jesus/#comment-494732 Fri, 10 Jan 2020 00:08:02 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=32087#comment-494732 Thanks Tom,
NO WAY, I do not align myself to ANY OFFSHOOT of the “MOTHER” church of ROME – That’s J.W.s included!
I strictly hold myself to what I read in God’s Word and what it reveals to me with the GUIDANCE of His Holy Spirit.
I am not Trinitarian either (i.e. Father/Son/Holy Spirit as “God’s” TRI-UNE Existence). I don’t think HUMANS can understand the GODHEAD till we experience Him FACE – To – FACE.
I am comfortable with the 3 states of H2O – Jesus said He was the WATER of Life, and that can be “SEEN” and “FELT”, whereas STEAM permeates every “Nook and Cranny” and CANNOT be seen! (Unless if the steam is water droplets, as in clouds and mist)
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Tom, you are holding on to the MISTAKEN belief that the RETURN agenda “CANNOT be revealed” as ALL (What I understand) “Christians” say that we are kept in the dark as to the TIMING DETAILS. – Consider the following.
~32AD – NOBODY in the UNIVERSE Knew (PAST Tense) But God the FATHER in HEAVEN. – [Check?]
~90AD – John says in REVELATION – Rev.3:3. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt NOT watch, I WILL come on THEE as a thief, and thou shalt NOT know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rev.12:12. Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and YE that DWELL in THEM. Woe to the INHABITERS of THE EARTH?) and of the sea! for the DEVIL is come down unto YOU, having great wrath, because HE KNOWETH that HE hath but a SHORT time.
(The WOMAN is RAPTURED, DEVIL [who ACCUSES – DAY AND NIGHT] …and THOSE SEED of WOMAN on EARTH who GO THROUGH till the END have the WRATH of the DEVIL?) Rev.12:
EVEN Daniel DID NOT know what HE wrote TILL John was SHOWN. Dan.12:8. And I heard, but I UNDERSTOOD NOT: then said I, O my Lord, what [shall be] the end of these [things]?
9. And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words [are] CLOSED UP and SEALED TILL the TIME of the END.
Rev.5:3. And no man IN HEAVEN, nor IN EARTH, neither UNDER the EARTH, was able to OPEN the book, NEITHER to LOOK THEREON.
Rev.10:10. And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ATE IT UP; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
11. And he said unto me, Thou MUST prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Tom, if you REALLY KNOW what Daniel wrote, you would be BETTER than John, who DIGESTED what was written, and had to REVISE his PROPHESYING and prophesy the REAL meanings, otherwise WHY prophesy AGAIN???
The ONLY ANSWER that the FIVE FOOLISH Virgins were GIVEN by the GROOM was: –
Matt.25:13. WATCH therefore, for YE KNOW neither the day NOR the HOUR wherein the Son of man cometh.
WHAT do you UNDERSTAND in the term “WATCH”? – The “Wicked” see the HAPPENINGS and UNDERSTAND NOT.
Dan.12:10. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and NONE of the wicked shall UNDERSTAND; but the wise SHALL understand.
Tell me, WHY do we have TIME SPAN references in the Bible? – If we are an OFFSHOOT of the “Mother Church” we are under the CLOUD of MYSTERY! – WHY understand our “APPOINTMENT Card”, if we DON’T …HAVE an APPOINTMENT?
Rev.17:5. And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Sorry Tom for any UNINTENDED “railing accusation” toward you; My only hope is that you will read what is RELEVANT to the time we live in – LINKING the FACTS in Prophecy that have a fulfillment in today’s events.
If YOU and I ARE “Barking up the wrong tree”, and are included in the “FOOLISH” – we STILL have another chance to exonerate ourselves.
– For the 5 FOOLISH Virgins (Who Believe in an ADVENT, but DON’T have an APPOINTMENT DAY! – or HOUR)
Luke 12:35. Let your loins be girded about, and [your] LIGHTS BURNING;
36. And YE yourselves like unto men that WAIT for their lord, when he will RETURN from the WEDDING; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto HIM immediately.
37. Blessed [are] those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find WATCHING: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38. And if he SHALL come in the SECOND watch, or come in the THIRD watch, and find [them] so, blessed are those servants.

I must TAKE the FOLLOWING warning to heart ALSO.
Matt.7:21. NOT every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven.

As for discerning Palestine (Israel) and God’s “CHURCH” – “NEW JERUSALEM” one cannot judge the other’s belief in discerning correctly if one doesn’t know them – NOR their motives.
I believe that “ISRAEL” as a NATION that God considers as HIS Children is located on this WHOLE Planet. I do believe that the REAL ESTATE is STILL a HOLY place where God will eventually have His Throne, but ONLY after the FOLLOWING.
Isa.66:22. For as the NEW heavens and the NEW earth, which I WILL make, shall REMAIN before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name REMAIN.
23. And it shall come to pass, [that] from one NEW MOON to another, and from ONE SABBATH to another, shall ALL flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Rev.21:1. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first HEAVEN and the first EARTH were passed AWAY ; and there was NO more SEA.
WE STILL have SEAS. – The “MOED” of the Jubilee Cycle (New Moons, Etc) is STILL relevant NOW as well as on the NEW Earth.

]]> By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2019/11/08/how-to-prepare-for-a-visitation-of-jesus/#comment-494728 Thu, 09 Jan 2020 14:12:56 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=32087#comment-494728 In reply to Olaf.

Hi Olaf. You may not be a replacement supporter but you definitely do not know what the difference is between the nation of Israel, including the 144 000, and the church (the Bride of Christ). The seven-year tribulation is a future event. It hasn’t happened yet. Neither do we know when the Rapture of the Church is going to take place. You seem to know more of the timing off the Rapture than Jesus. (Matthew 24:36). Revelation 7:1-8 says the 144 000 will be sealed, not Raptured. BY the way, are you a Jehovah’s Witness?

]]> By: Olaf https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2019/11/08/how-to-prepare-for-a-visitation-of-jesus/#comment-494724 Thu, 09 Jan 2020 03:01:14 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=32087#comment-494724 Hi Tom,
Thanks for replying. I read the full article you posted earlier concerning DANIEL’S 70 WEEKS.
There are a few things that you may have believed that I hold as doctrine.
I am NOT a REPLACEMENT Theology believer. I hold on to the fact that ISRAEL is NOT put aside by God, and replaced by Christianity, on the contrary, there are 144,000 of Israel (be it figuratively or Literal), who will be RAPTURED on 4th of April 2020.
The Daniel 9:24-27 prophecy mentions several YEAR markers in the VISITATION Agenda.
We must be able to discern the TWO main visitations (Advents) as the focal points of the TWO-FOLD prophecy. I’ll elaborate: –
“Command” +”70Weeks” – Start of BOTH Advent Count-downs. (457BC & 1533AD)
Concentrating on the LATTER half of the prophecy – (Pertaining to the REDEMPTION half – NOT the SALVATION first half)
“62 Weeks” – 434yrs +1533 = 6th June 1967 – Luke 21:24 – Gentile CEASE occupation of OLD Jerusalem 6-7-67.
“7 Weeks” – 49yrs – 1967 + 49yrs – 2016. TEMPLE Cycle (Jubilee) – Rev.11:1 Measure TEMPLE but NOT “Gentile 62Weeks”
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2016 = 62 + 7 = 69Weeks – Dan.12:1 – Michael stands & Time of TROUBLE -(The last 7yrs?) – Rev.11:2&3 – 42Mths +1260Days
2016 – TIME to Measure in TEMPLE Measurement (Hebrew Calendar) 3rd Oct.2016 (5777) – End of OBAMA (2009-2016) where the 7 YEAR confirm the covenant with many to change world direction – Trump takes over and recognizes Jerusalem.
5777 + 1335days – Blessed is he who WAITS (Expecting?) = Shavuot – Pentecost = 30 May 2020.
WHO are EXPECTING? – WOMAN – Rev.12:2 – Waiting to be delivered – WOMAN – SEALED – First fruits Rev.14:4.
BRIDE – “Do you TAKE this MAN to be your Lawfully Wedded HUSBAND?” – Nissan 10 = Take a LAMB – 1 To a Household.
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5777 + 7 yrs = 5784. That year starts on Saturday 16th September 2023 – New Year/Month TRUMP blown. 1 Cor 15:52.
1 Cor. 15:52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
The 7 YEARS is made up of 42 MONTHS (3rd Oct.2016 – 26th March 2020) – where the NEW Jerusalem (Bride) is down trodden – Rev.11:2 – The BRIDE is given WINGS of Eagle for 1260 Days/3.5yrs (Rev.12:6 & 14) – 1,260days from END is 4th APRIL 2020.
IS … 4th of April the RAPTURE? It is SATURDAY – NISAN 10 (Take this LAMB to be your …)
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Dan:12:11. And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
The DAILY = ACTIVITY and as there is no SACRIFICING applicable after the Crucifixion.
The SETTING UP of the ABOMINATION (United Nations) – from the END – (2nd Advent) is 1,290 Days (26th February 2020)
So if the VOTE to SET UP World Govt. Happens on 26th February, 2020, we can be CERTAIN that the 42 Months of World Rule starts on 26th March 2020. (UN passes Resolution 30days before it is Ratified)
Rev.13:5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to CONTINUE forty [and] two months.
CONTINUE??? WHO???
Rev.17:10. And there are seven kings: FIVE are FALLEN, and ONE is, [and] the OTHER is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must CONTINUE a short space. – (42months?)
The WHORE – if it IS the VATICAN, – which became a SOVEREIGN NATION in 1929 (Lateran Treaty) – the POPES are actually KINGS! – Since 1929 Treaty there are 5 POPES dying (Pope John Paul II was #5) BENEDICT = #6, and FRANCIS = #7.
IT APPEARS that FRANCIS will take control of UN as “TOP DOG” and CONTINUE 42 Months, and BENEDICT can RELINQUISH duty as PAPAL HEAD of Vatican, ~ after 26th March 2020.
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When BENEDICT becomes POPE again, the PEDOPHILIA and NAZI involvement in WW2, the WORLD will BURN VATICAN.
Rev.17:16. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and BURN her with fire.
I believe Elijah and Moses (Luke 9:30. And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:) will again appear in the LAST 1,260days – WHEN the UN. World Govt Commences on 26th March 2020
Isa.42:9. Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

]]> By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2019/11/08/how-to-prepare-for-a-visitation-of-jesus/#comment-494715 Wed, 08 Jan 2020 08:24:12 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=32087#comment-494715 In reply to Olaf.

Hi Olaf. I apologize for taking so long to respond. I need to say from the out-start that I do not agree with your rendition of Daniel’s prophecy. I suggest that you read this article.

https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/09/17/daniels-seventy-weeks/

]]> By: Olaf https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2019/11/08/how-to-prepare-for-a-visitation-of-jesus/#comment-494701 Sun, 05 Jan 2020 07:25:48 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=32087#comment-494701 Hi Tom. Thanks for the article. Being in Australia, I am not familiar to this preacher, but is interesting how you use God’s word to expose the fallacies that these false teachers promote as truth. As you react the same way as Elijah did in exposing the priests of Baal, you have the God-given right to poke fun and be sarcastic about the illogical doctrine they promote as God’s truth.
After many decades of prayerful study, I came to realize that we are now in the last 4 years before the very end, and the picture of Revelation 12:2. “And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.” is about to become reality.
It appears that all of Christianity is STUCK in the BC Era, with regards to Daniel’s Chapter 9 prophecy. Nobody that I know realizes that Daniel 9 is a DUAL prophecy – of the TWO Advents. (just as in Isa.61:1 & 2 – See in Luke 4:18 & 19).
One can “Google” “Rebuilding Jerusalem Walls” – you will find that there are no less than 4 COMMANDS to rebuild Jerusalem.
What is interesting, there were only TWO occasions AFTER Christ (AD), and they were ~ 1533 AD and 2018/19 – that there was a renovation program to repair what the ROMANS had Damaged ~ 70 AD and the 6-Day war demolished with gunfire and explosives.
Dan.9:24. SEVENTY WEEKS are DETERMINED upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and to seal up the vision and PROPHECY, and to ANOINT THE MOST HOLY. [The KING of Kings?]
Thus, the SECOND LAST repair was accomplished ~ 1535-1539AD, by the Ottoman Empire under Sultan Suleiman, we can EXPECT our KING of Kings to be anointed (1533 + 490 = 2023) – {WEEKS was translated from (SEVENED) or Shabua i.e. Years}
I have dicovered that the MISSING 7 YEARS of the 70 “WEEKS” (490yrs) in Daniel 9:24, is commencing the Time of Trouble in Dan.12:1. – I believe we should use HEBREW Calendar Years, because the BIBLE and its Prophecies were HEBREW in origin.
If 2023 is the END of the 70 “Weeks”, then the 69th WEEK starts in 2016. – October 3, 2016 is Day ONE of Heb.Cal. # 5777.
If Dan.12:1 tells of a Time of Trouble, then in the 12th Verse it says that we are BLESSED after 1,335 Days – Pentecost 2020!!!
Joel 2:28-32. (Holy spirit Poured out, and Whoever calls out to our Lord will be saved)
If the WOMAN “God’s People” is RAPTURED and cared for 1,260 Days before END of 2023 (September 16), we can EXPECT to see the Rapture on 4th April 2020 (1,260Days before 16th September 2023 – 4th April – or Nisan 10! – Exodus 12:3)
Exodus 12:3. Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the TENTH [day] of this month they shall take to them every man A LAMB, according to the house of [their] fathers, a lamb for an house:
Choose a LAMB – Do you Choose this MAN to BE your Lawfully wedded HUSBAND?
Rev.21:2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her HUSBAND.

]]> By: Deborah (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2019/11/08/how-to-prepare-for-a-visitation-of-jesus/#comment-494648 Tue, 10 Dec 2019 10:13:19 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=32087#comment-494648 In reply to Deborah (Discerning the World).

Dear Riana Schoonwinkel

If you want to know why Jacob Prasch insulted me, here is why, because of this article: Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash Way Please read all comments. Everything is out in the open for all to see.

]]> By: Deborah (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2019/11/08/how-to-prepare-for-a-visitation-of-jesus/#comment-494614 Thu, 05 Dec 2019 09:42:58 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=32087#comment-494614 In reply to Riana Schoonwinkel.

Dear Riana Schoonwinkel :hi:

I am sure Tom will get back to you if he has not already. I will forward your comment to him to remind him nevertheless. We mostly prefer it if people speak to us openly in this chat forum, for the simple reason that others reading can learn too.

Just remember sincere, humble people are often sincerely wrong. No amount of sincerity or humbleness can turn error into truth.

]]> By: Riana Schoonwinkel https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2019/11/08/how-to-prepare-for-a-visitation-of-jesus/#comment-494611 Tue, 03 Dec 2019 06:51:41 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=32087#comment-494611 Good day. Me and my husband are frequent listeners of Jacob Prash. We were made aware of the NAR movement through his teachings and other people as well. My sister in law sent me the link of your website Iast week. I ‘ accidently’ clicked on Cindy Jacobs, and the whole article about The Base Church, whom we attend, came up.

If possible, me and my husband would like to talk to you. We know Jannes as a sincere, humble person, although some practices in the church were concerning to me for quite some time now. It seems that a lot of things I learnt the past 25 years are all deception….thank goodness that I start SEEING now!

Please contact me through e-mail

]]> By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2019/11/08/how-to-prepare-for-a-visitation-of-jesus/#comment-494542 Tue, 12 Nov 2019 08:39:08 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=32087#comment-494542 It is possible that Jannes Labuschagne may have read this article. The reason I say this is because his entire sermon on 10/11/2019 was based on Hebrews 10:1-25. Here, he never once referred to Jesus as our butler as he did in “Preparing for Visitation” but correctly adhered to the biblical text which refers to Him as our High Priest.

The reason why he used the term “butler” was to encourage his church members to enter into the most holy of holies in heaven by allowing Jesus to use their imagination so that He, as their butler, could escort them throughout heaven to experimentally show them around.

In other words, to EXPERIENCE an encounter with Him. the butler, and his Father. Apparently this could then also be experienced here and now on earth, in their church, in weird and crazy ways, i.e. male spiritual pregnancy et al. Jannes refrained from mentioning any of this in his most recent sermon. Instead he focused on verses 24 and 25.

And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. (Hebrews 10:24-25)

Indeed, we should not forsake the assembly of believers. However, when the pastor who is supposed to shepherd the sheep with good and solid biblical food, strays from the truth and instead feeds them poison (doctrines that are not found in the Bible as Jannes himself admitted in reference to his weird and crazy ideas about male spiritual pregnancy), then the sheep should flee from him. WHY?

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2 John 1:9-11)

Toward the end of his sermon he invited people who were bound by any sexual sins (I assume he also meant homosexuality) to let themselves be baptized in water. He said this in reference to verse 22, “Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.” This is precisely what verses 28 and 29 warns against.

He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? (Hebrews 10:28-29)

To suggest that H2O can do what the blood of Jesus alone can do, including the washing away of sexual sins, is pure blasphemy.

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