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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/07/30/lieg-hulle-vir-julle-aanvaar-dit/#comment-494027&quot;&gt;casnel&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Cas,

You must be a Calvinist. How do I know? Well, you said “Let us not assist the “the morning star” in his endeavours to win souls.” Winning souls is not an “endeavor.” It is a command He gave to born-again Christians to preach the unadulterated Word of God and to contend for the faith that was delivered to the saints to the winning of souls (Romans 10:17; Jude 1:3).

&lt;blockquote&gt;“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Mat 28:19-20).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are contradicting yourself. On the one hand, you say, “Let us instead serve the KING and grow the Kingdom here on earth” and on the other that we ourselves should not win souls for Christ but rather leave that endeavor to Him. How can you grow the Kingdom when you disobey his commands to make disciples and to earnestly contend for the faith?” That’s ridiculous. The word for “contend” in Jude 1:33 is “epagōnizomai” and means to struggle on behalf of God’s Truth and his Kingdom. 

Assuming that you are married and have kids, let’s say you are on a camping trip and you and your kids reach a fork in the road. The one path to the left has a warning sign that says: “Do not follow this road. It leads to a great hidden cliff and will cause your death falling into it.” The road to the left says, “This road is safe to follow.” Are you going to allow your kids to follow the road to the left, even though they may rebelliously choose to follow it? Or are you going to contend with them, trying your very best to make them change their minds?

This is precisely what God did with the Israelite in Deuteronomy 30.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: (Deuteronomy 30:19).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can assure you that Mosaiek Kerk and their followers have taken the wrong path and it is your and my duty to warn them, lest their blood is on our hands if we fail to warn them.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman&#039;s hand. So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. (Ezekiel 33:1-9)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Paul wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. (Acts 20:26-30).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cas Nel, I urge you to start warning people who have taken the wrong road (Proverbs 14:12) and perhaps you should start doing it with the Mosaiek Kerk in Fairlands, Johannesburg.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/07/30/lieg-hulle-vir-julle-aanvaar-dit/#comment-494027" >casnel</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Cas,</p>
<p>You must be a Calvinist. How do I know? Well, you said “Let us not assist the “the morning star” in his endeavours to win souls.” Winning souls is not an “endeavor.” It is a command He gave to born-again Christians to preach the unadulterated Word of God and to contend for the faith that was delivered to the saints to the winning of souls (Romans 10:17; Jude 1:3).</p>
<blockquote><p>“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Mat 28:19-20).</p></blockquote>
<p>You are contradicting yourself. On the one hand, you say, “Let us instead serve the KING and grow the Kingdom here on earth” and on the other that we ourselves should not win souls for Christ but rather leave that endeavor to Him. How can you grow the Kingdom when you disobey his commands to make disciples and to earnestly contend for the faith?” That’s ridiculous. The word for “contend” in Jude 1:33 is “epagōnizomai” and means to struggle on behalf of God’s Truth and his Kingdom. </p>
<p>Assuming that you are married and have kids, let’s say you are on a camping trip and you and your kids reach a fork in the road. The one path to the left has a warning sign that says: “Do not follow this road. It leads to a great hidden cliff and will cause your death falling into it.” The road to the left says, “This road is safe to follow.” Are you going to allow your kids to follow the road to the left, even though they may rebelliously choose to follow it? Or are you going to contend with them, trying your very best to make them change their minds?</p>
<p>This is precisely what God did with the Israelite in Deuteronomy 30.</p>
<blockquote><p>I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: (Deuteronomy 30:19).</p></blockquote>
<p>I can assure you that Mosaiek Kerk and their followers have taken the wrong path and it is your and my duty to warn them, lest their blood is on our hands if we fail to warn them.</p>
<blockquote><p>Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman&#8217;s hand. So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. (Ezekiel 33:1-9)</p></blockquote>
<p>Paul wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. (Acts 20:26-30).</p></blockquote>
<p>Cas Nel, I urge you to start warning people who have taken the wrong road (Proverbs 14:12) and perhaps you should start doing it with the Mosaiek Kerk in Fairlands, Johannesburg.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It would seem that we tend to forget that Love and Faith are the things required to HAVE eternal life.
Let us not be Judgemental. That right belongs to Father and Christ. Receive the Holy Spirit and be glad
for every soul that repent and accept Jesus Christ the SON as their Saviour,
Not all people are at the same place concerning their walk with GOD. Let us not assist the &quot;the morning star&quot;
in his endeavours to win souls. Let us instead serve the KING of kings and grow his Kingdom here on earth.

Cas  Nel]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that we tend to forget that Love and Faith are the things required to HAVE eternal life.<br />
Let us not be Judgemental. That right belongs to Father and Christ. Receive the Holy Spirit and be glad<br />
for every soul that repent and accept Jesus Christ the SON as their Saviour,<br />
Not all people are at the same place concerning their walk with GOD. Let us not assist the &#8220;the morning star&#8221;<br />
in his endeavours to win souls. Let us instead serve the KING of kings and grow his Kingdom here on earth.</p>
<p>Cas  Nel</p>
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		By: Wickus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2017 15:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hierdie artikel is brood nodig!! Baie Dankie!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hierdie artikel is brood nodig!! Baie Dankie!!</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/07/30/lieg-hulle-vir-julle-aanvaar-dit/#comment-457901&quot;&gt;Smuggler&lt;/a&gt;.

Baie dankie vir jou kommentaar, Smuggler. Dis altyd goed om te hoor van Christene wat die Skrif reg sny. Doet so voort.

Tom]]></description>
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<p>Baie dankie vir jou kommentaar, Smuggler. Dis altyd goed om te hoor van Christene wat die Skrif reg sny. Doet so voort.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2017 18:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dankie Tom !  
Ja, die “jakkalse” maak my ook “warm” onder die kraag.
 
Hierdie is maar net nog ‘n “simtoom” van die hoe die Vyand besig is om die groot afval te bewerk 
(2Th 2:3 - &lt;em&gt;Laat niemand julle op enige manier mislei nie, want eers moet die afval kom en die mens van sonde geopenbaar word, die seun van die verderf&lt;/em&gt; . . .ens)
En die groot hartseer is dat die Herders wat die skape moet beskerm en “Kos” gee (Joh 21), juis die mense is wat werk van Satan doen deur hierdie verdraaide Woord/leuns vir die skape te kom voer.  
Wat ek net al hoe meer sien is dat die ouens is besig om hulle eie “god” en eie “christus” te skep. Een wat hulle pas en hul eie gewetes ook sal “sus” totdat dit &quot;geskroei&quot; is (1Tim4:2) en daarna nie meer sensitief sal wees vir die Gees se werk/oortuiging nie. 
Hoekom ? 
Want hulle was eens by die waarheid en het nie daarvan gehou nie. 
Toe gaan hulle uit en skep hul eie “waarheid” en sommer hulle eie bybel “Die Boodskap” ook. 
Ek noem dit die “feel good religion”. Hulle wil jou altyd sus en laat goed voel oor jouself. 
Ons weet dat dit die Satan se manier is om te werk. Hy het sy “verdraaing van die Skrif-kaarte” gewys toe hy dit met Jesus self ook probeer het !  
(Mat 4:1–10)
Ons word spesifiek teen die &quot;tiepe&quot; predikers gewaarsku. 
Johannes skryf:
&lt;em&gt;1Jn 2:18  Kinders, dit is die laaste uur; en soos julle gehoor het dat die Antichris kom, bestaan daar ook nou baie antichriste, waaruit ons weet dat dit die laaste uur is. 
1Jn 2:19  Hulle het van ons uitgegaan, maar hulle was nie van ons nie; want as hulle van ons was, sou hulle by ons gebly het; maar dit moes aan die lig kom dat hulle nie almal van ons is nie. 
1Jn 2:20  En julle het die salwing van die Heilige en weet alles. 
1Jn 2:21  Ek het nie aan julle geskrywe omdat julle die waarheid nie ken nie, maar omdat julle dit ken en omdat geen leuen uit die waarheid is nie. &lt;/em&gt;

En dan ‘n paar verse verder aan skryf Johannes: 

&lt;em&gt;1Jn 2:26  Dit het ek aan julle geskrywe met betrekking tot die wat julle mislei. 
1Jn 2:27  En die salwing wat julle van Hom ontvang het, bly in julle, en julle het nie nodig dat iemand julle leer nie; maar soos dieselfde salwing julle aangaande alles leer, so is dit ook waar en geen leuen nie; en soos dié julle geleer het, so moet julle in Hom bly. &lt;/em&gt;

Amen!


Tit 2:15  &lt;strong&gt;Spreek hierdie dinge en vermaan en bestraf in alle erns. Laat niemand jou verag nie&lt;/strong&gt;. 


Maranata-Groete]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dankie Tom !<br />
Ja, die “jakkalse” maak my ook “warm” onder die kraag.</p>
<p>Hierdie is maar net nog ‘n “simtoom” van die hoe die Vyand besig is om die groot afval te bewerk<br />
(2Th 2:3 &#8211; <em>Laat niemand julle op enige manier mislei nie, want eers moet die afval kom en die mens van sonde geopenbaar word, die seun van die verderf</em> . . .ens)<br />
En die groot hartseer is dat die Herders wat die skape moet beskerm en “Kos” gee (Joh 21), juis die mense is wat werk van Satan doen deur hierdie verdraaide Woord/leuns vir die skape te kom voer.<br />
Wat ek net al hoe meer sien is dat die ouens is besig om hulle eie “god” en eie “christus” te skep. Een wat hulle pas en hul eie gewetes ook sal “sus” totdat dit &#8220;geskroei&#8221; is (1Tim4:2) en daarna nie meer sensitief sal wees vir die Gees se werk/oortuiging nie.<br />
Hoekom ?<br />
Want hulle was eens by die waarheid en het nie daarvan gehou nie.<br />
Toe gaan hulle uit en skep hul eie “waarheid” en sommer hulle eie bybel “Die Boodskap” ook.<br />
Ek noem dit die “feel good religion”. Hulle wil jou altyd sus en laat goed voel oor jouself.<br />
Ons weet dat dit die Satan se manier is om te werk. Hy het sy “verdraaing van die Skrif-kaarte” gewys toe hy dit met Jesus self ook probeer het !<br />
(Mat 4:1–10)<br />
Ons word spesifiek teen die &#8220;tiepe&#8221; predikers gewaarsku.<br />
Johannes skryf:<br />
<em>1Jn 2:18  Kinders, dit is die laaste uur; en soos julle gehoor het dat die Antichris kom, bestaan daar ook nou baie antichriste, waaruit ons weet dat dit die laaste uur is.<br />
1Jn 2:19  Hulle het van ons uitgegaan, maar hulle was nie van ons nie; want as hulle van ons was, sou hulle by ons gebly het; maar dit moes aan die lig kom dat hulle nie almal van ons is nie.<br />
1Jn 2:20  En julle het die salwing van die Heilige en weet alles.<br />
1Jn 2:21  Ek het nie aan julle geskrywe omdat julle die waarheid nie ken nie, maar omdat julle dit ken en omdat geen leuen uit die waarheid is nie. </em></p>
<p>En dan ‘n paar verse verder aan skryf Johannes: </p>
<p><em>1Jn 2:26  Dit het ek aan julle geskrywe met betrekking tot die wat julle mislei.<br />
1Jn 2:27  En die salwing wat julle van Hom ontvang het, bly in julle, en julle het nie nodig dat iemand julle leer nie; maar soos dieselfde salwing julle aangaande alles leer, so is dit ook waar en geen leuen nie; en soos dié julle geleer het, so moet julle in Hom bly. </em></p>
<p>Amen!</p>
<p>Tit 2:15  <strong>Spreek hierdie dinge en vermaan en bestraf in alle erns. Laat niemand jou verag nie</strong>. </p>
<p>Maranata-Groete</p>
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