WHO WERE THE NEPHILIM? (Part 1)

Tom (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

18 Responses

  1. Andy says:

    Deborah,
    First time reading your website. Who do you endorse as a pastor??? I will reserve my many other questions for now, but I really want to what church, you know the church Paul wrote about, the churches Jesus said He would build, which church here on earth do you support? What church would you send a believer to for spiritual feeding? You dismiss everything and everyone but yourself it seems like…

    Andy

  2. Dear Andy

    Well let’s think logically for a second shall we? There are millions upon millions of pastors and churches in the world. And there are pastors we support like The Berean Call for instance.

    This website is an apologetics site, in other words we expose false teachers by preaching the truth, this is why it looks (to you) like we support no one. Make sense now? Great.

    So, to answer your question… We are in the last days, the amount of churches out there preaching the truth is possibly a drop in the ocean. Jesus Christ Himself says “When the Son of man comes, will He find faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:8) because “Because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall grow cold.” (Matthew 24:12) and there is a great Apostasy, a falling away (2 Thessalonians 2:3)

    We are in a rapid decline regarding true Christian faith, and a rapid increase in false Christian churches who’s Christ is The Christ…and not Jesus Christ the Son of God. Christian churches have practically vanished, to the point that when Jesus Christ returns He Himself questions whether He will find anyone that is faithful. That is the complete opposite to what the church of today preach, that they have to take dominion of the world and make the whole world Christian so that Christ can return to a triumphant church.

    However the Bride of Christ remains. Are you born again?

    Now regarding pastors and churches, tell us who do you support?

  3. Andy says:

    Deborah,
    Are you truly born again? Do you love your neighbor or choose rather judge and condemn them? Do you love your enemies? I am shocked and pretty much in disbelief almost to a state of amusement at your opinions. Many, not all of the people you call false teachers do preach the word, the gospel, the “good news” yet you would condemn them for an interpretation of scripture you do not believe in. Doctrine is important enough to for die for but not a religious preference. Show Biblically where these pastors and teachers err in doctrine. You put yourself in some airtight spiritual bubble where only a few righteous exist, of course, you are in with the select few and most likely place yourself squarely in the center. Your attitude is one of self-righteousness and without love. How many times have you been called a “smart-alec” in your life? Been called smug and arrogant? You show little if no humility but certainly put you above 99% of scholars and followers of Christ. I suggest you really, really look at your heart condition because perhaps your spiritual condition is not love and truth, merely religious doctrine. Only you can answer that. You remind me of the religious leaders that tried to find fault in everything Jesus said and did. He was a friend of sinners…Would you have helped the man beaten up and left for dead like the Samaritan or looked the other way like the “religious” people? Perhaps you need to take the log out. That being said I do not project everything I have suggested about you is true, but some are. Rebuke and correction in love is what I am trying to do. We are to have the mind(that is “attitude” in Greek) and I am suggesting you look at your attitude. You remind me of the kind of person who would rather be right than happy :( After all, don’t be deceived, right. Love to you in Christ Deborah…

  4. Robbie says:

    Andy yes, I’d also like to know – “Who do you pay to read the Bible for you?

  5. Andy, Please address your infamous attacks to the person who wrote this article. I, Tom Lessing, wrote it and not Deborah, or do you prefer to attack women instead of men because you are a wimp? Wait until you read Part 2 of this series to see how little you understand of Scripture. Have you read the entire Part 1 of this series? If not, please don’t comment here again because you are making a real fool of yourself.

    Deborah has far more gracious politeness than I. I would, for instance, never address you as “Dear Andy.” If you can’t validate your rebuttals from Scripture, I suggest that you rather keep your mouth shut. Your ad hominem attacks are nauseous.

    And by the way, you are not supposed to follow a pastor, a Pope, a predikant or a dominee. You are supposed to follow Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God.

  6. Andy

    Wow, you are one very mean and ugly spirited man, and it’s clear from your comment you are Apostolic/Prophetic Kingdom Now/Dominionist adherent.
    I strongly suggest you take your ‘love to you in Christ‘ at the end of your comment and go give it to someone else, I don’t accept false love from a false Christ.

  7. andy says:

    Hello Deborah, Tom, Robbie and whomever else may read this:
    Salutations of peace and grace to all! I commend whoever posted my comment as it shows you believe in a sense of fair play and equal rights to speak opinions. Deborah, I apologize for any personal offense that was really not my intention. I do not know you personally, only your writings. It was not my intention to comment specifically about this article of Nephilim, Tom wrote. It was my intention to respond to Deborah’s article on false prophets and teachers as well as the general air of spiritual smugness and superiority on this site I find very disconcerting. Overall, the feel I get from this site is “I am right and you are wrong”,”My interpretations are spot on and yours are flawed”, “I will show you I am right by pulling Bible verses out that support my opinion (mine only and if taken out of context, oh well…)” I understand this is a website geared for apologetics but that does not make it okay to say whatever you like or carry a spiteful attitude. I do not wish to get arguments and debates over interpretations as Paul warned about that in II Timothy, chapter 2,”“Warn them before God against quarreling about words” (vs. 14). I am neither going to write pages of response and reply to you all as I have other things to do as I am sure you must as well. An unbeliever stumbling upon this site would get the impression that Christians can not agree on much on anything thus fostering the impression we are as messed up as any religion out there. The Bible is the inspired Word of God but no man understands all the mysteries of the gospel. Keeping it simple is good and prudent (the simplicity of the gospel confounds the “wise”, I Cor.1:17), although there is time for meat and advanced doctrinal study. Doctrine is worth dying over, hair-splitting arguments are not. Calling Charles Stanley a false prophet/teacher? Careful their sister. If I have not love I have nothing and am nothing…I Cor.13

    Andy

  8. andy says:

    Meant to write if I have not love I am nothing NOT If I have love I am nothing…LOL

  9. Andy

    Do you love error and deception?

  10. andy says:

    Is that a rhetorical question?

  11. andy says:

    I wrote a lengthy reply to the response yesterday, went to edit, and the site posted my edition and the edited part. I hit delete for the edit and it deleted my initial post and left my one sentence edition…can you retrieve? If not no prob. Deborah did not mean to offend you personally, I apologize. I like Charles Stanley…

    Andy (Discerner of error and deception)

  12. andy,

    No, it’s a rhetorical statement.

  13. andy,

    You accuse us of “spiritual smugness and superiority,” and an attitude of “I will show you I am right by pulling Bible verses out . . .,” and “My interpretations are spot on and yours are flawed.” etc. etc.

    What would you say about the pulling out of the following Bible verses to prove that false teachers are dangerous and are leading people to hell, especially when you cover up for them?

    Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. (Jude 1:11-13)

    If you don’t like this, how about this?

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8-9)

    You are the one who quotes passages out of context. In 2 Timothy 2:14 Paul warns against quarreling over MERE WORDS and not wholesome words and doctrines. In fact, in the very next verse, he warns us to rightly divide the truth and even warns Timothy against two false teachers, Hymenaeus and Philetus. Paul not only called out Bible verses in context but he also called out false teachers. Look old chappie, we are open to criticism, exhortations, and warnings but then you must prove from Scripture that we are wrong and in error and never make general statements as you do. So, remove the beam out of your own eye before you venture to remove the mote in ours.

    Here’s another good verse for you to study.

    Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (Jude 1:3-4)

  14. andy says:

    Tom,
    Gimmie a minute, this mote removal is taking longer Than I thought it would, LOL. Truth is Truth and I thank you for providing Biblical views to issues. Most definitely, beware of teachers of false doctrine. I thought the video someone posted about preachers showing the “horn” sign for Satan was Ludacris. While there may be a few that may have done that NOT all the ones the video showed were. The narrator was saying things like, “Watch his left hand closely…SEE! HIS INDEX AND PINKY FINGER WERE EXTENDED!!! Told you so, he worships Satan! Really? A guy inadvertently moves his hand into a somewhat horn style and he is evil? C’mon now…who is monitoring and censoring material posted? Wise as serpents and innocent as doves (Matt. 10:6) To quote your use of a word earlier directed at me earlier(does Matt. 5:22 apply to you Tom?); that video makes your website look “foolish”. Tell me please how a doctrine, ANY DOCTRINE, even one of Charles Stanley is errant, a false teaching from a false teacher according to you (or your discernment mate Deborah) Please excuse me now, I have to finish this mote removal (its down to a splinter now) and go rebuke some blokes…Grace and Peace brothers and sisters :)

    andy

  15. andy,

    What is wrong with you? You commented on “Who were the Nephilim? (Part 1) and I never even once mentioned Charles Stanley’s name – never ever, not even once. Please get your act together

    Of course, you would like Charles Stanley if you like heretical teaching like “self-esteem” and “Contemplative Prayer” (Mysticism).

  16. thomas says:

    thomas,
    I did not think you would address your sin of calling me a fool (Matt 5:22). Pick and choose is your style so I am not surprised. Nobody is bothering to read your “critiques” anyways so why should you be bothered if I contact you here…lol The reason I asked is that it is obvious you and Deborah are a couple. I see you co-sign each other’s nonsense…without question. SMH

    thomas

  17. thomas (andy)

    Where did I call you a fool?

  18. There is a vast difference between “you are making a fool of yourself” and calling someone a moron. The word for “fool” in Matthew 5:22 is “mōros. Jesus called someone a fool in Luke 12:20. Here the word for fool is “aphrōn” which, according to Strong means the following:-

    From G1 (as a negative particle) and G5424; properly mindless, that is, stupid, (by implication) ignorant, (specifically) egotistic, (practically) rash, or (morally) unbelieving: – fool (-ish), unwise.

    Are you going to remind Jesus of his sin as well?

    And just to remind you that Paul used the very same word “moros” in 1 Corinthians 3:18, allow me to quote it for you,

    “Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. (1 Co 3:18-19).

    Are you going to remind Paul of his hell-deserving sin? You seem to lavish yourself in telling other people about their sins whilst you yourself love to relish in your sin to follow false teachers.

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