Why Jonathan Cahn and His Revelations Must be Ignored

Jonathan CahnWhy Jonathan Cahn, His Mysteries, Keys and Revelations Must be Ignored

Rabbi Jonathan Cahn has been bothering me with his “The Harbinger” and now “The Mystery of the Shemitah” ‘revelations‘. Who is he exactly?  Is he a born again Christian or is far worse than just your plain run of the mill false teacher?

He calls himself a Rabbi yet the bible says:

Matthew 23:8  “8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.”

He has been labelled a modern day prophet as he brings a prophetic message with The Harbinger where he blatantly implies that America is treading the same path for judgment as ancient Israel and connects Isaiah 9:10 to America.  The Harbinger was published by FrontLine, an imprint of Charisma House which used to be known as Strang Communications run by Steve Strang who is part of the New Apostolic Reformation.

Israel and a New World…

The main problem with The Harbinger is that Jonathan Cahn equates America to be a replacement of Israel, a New Israel.  He says in his book:

The Prophet: “But there was one other-a civilization also conceived and dedicated to the will of God from its conception . . . America. In fact, those who laid its foundations . . .”

Noriel Kaplan: “The Founding Fathers.”

The Prophet: “No, long before the Founding Fathers. Those who laid America’s foundations saw it as the new Israel, an Israel of the New World. And as it was with ancient Israel, they saw it as in covenant with God.

This is unbiblical.  Jonathan Cahn is claiming that the Pilgrims (America’s founders who were Puritans – Calvinists) constituted America to be in a covenant relationship with God like Israel is in a covenant with God.  This is of course a lie, but they believed it never the less.  He claims that America replaces Israel as the new Israel for a New World…Order.   Israel is the only nation in a covenant relationship with God that was established through Abraham.

Here he says it again on Glen Becks show.  Glen Beck is a Mormon.  Why would a christian like Jonathan Cahn appear on a Mormon’s show?

2 Corinthians 6:14  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Jonathan Cahn On Glenn Beck’s TV show (A Mormon)

Another country who also believes they are the New Israel is Britain, with the British Royal Family believing that they are descendants of King David.  This is of course a lie. But they believe it never the less. This is called British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism).

Freemasons, other occultists and unbelievers can’t stand the fact that Israel is God’s chosen nation and will do anything to replace Israel, literally and spiritually.

The King Solomon connection

Jonathan Cahn says in The Harbinger:

The Key to Solomons KeyKaplan: “Some link between this city and the ancient vow,” I said. “Somehow Isaiah 9:10  has to be connected to Washington DC.” (p.61)

 George Washington Freemason

George Washington – Freemason

The Prophet: “Solomon was the king of Israel. Washington was the first president of the United States. There was something in the linking of ancient Israel and America, as with all the other mysteries.”(p.109)

King Solomon was appointed by God Himself to be king.  George Washington was elected via vote to be President.  There is a big difference between the two. George Washington was also a Freemason. When George Washington spoke of God, he was referring to Lucifer, not the God of the bible.  Freemasons are besotted with claiming Israel for themselves. The Pilgrims who proclaimed a false covenant with God were most likely Freemasons as well hence they could come up with such nonsense as to claim America to be the New Israel.

Freemasons also worship King Solomon who they believed to be the greatest magus (sorcerer) of all time. Is that why Jonathan Cahn connects King Solomon to George Washington because it’s a satanic connection?

“The purpose of Masonry’s veneration of Solomon is not to advance an alternate view of history, but to present, however subtly, the archetype of the future human being — men and women who truly possess Solomon’s Key — the power to master our own demons and redirect their destructive energy to build the Temple of our own evolving soul.” Lon Milo DuQuette, The Key to King Solomons Keys – Is this the lost symbol of Masonry, Second Edition

So who is Jonathan Cahn then and what does he believe?

Well if you go to his website it says:

Jonathan Cahn“Jonathan Cahn is President of Hope of the World ministries, Senior Pastor and Messianic Rabbi of the the Jerusalem Center/ Beth Israel in Wayne, New Jersey. He is also the author of the best selling book ‘The Harbinger‘. His teachings are broadcast daily over hundreds of radio stations throughout the United States and the world and on television.  He ministers, as did the first Jewish messengers of the Gospel, sharing the message of Messiah to Jew and Gentile, Israel, and the nations.  He has ministered before mass gatherings in India, Nigeria, Cuba, Mizoram, Honduras, Haiti, & throughout the world.  His teachings are widely known for revealing the deep mysteries of God’s word and for the restoring of the new covenant message to its original biblically Jewish richness and power.”  [Emphasis added] http://www.bethisraelworshipcenter.org/aboutjonathan.htm

That is very interesting.  So Jonathan Cahn knows the deep mysteries of God’s Word that Christians don’t know? And only Jonathan Cahn can reveal these mysteries to us?  Jonathan Cahn’s plan is also to restore the message that Jesus Christ preaches to it’s original Jewish richness and power.  So until Jonathan Cahn came along all born again believers for the last 2000+ years that have been reading the Scriptures were reading a bible that had no value and no authority what-so-ever.  Isn’t that nice, that Jonathan Cahn came to save the day.

What does he mean by all ‘richness and power’?  Does he mean that we need to infuse the Bible with Kaballah mysticism in order to understand it properly?

Here is another version of his biography that was on his website but the link has now been removed:

“Jonathan Cahn is President of Hope of the World ministries….Descended of the line of Aaron, he has been asked to sound the Jubilee trumpet and minister among the nations, a prophetic ministry of and to the Jew and the Gentile in the last days. His teachings include the revealing of ancient mysteries, the depth and wonders of God’s Word, and the restoration of the Gospel message in its original Biblically Jewish context, richness, and power.”

Who asked him to sound the Jubilee trumpet? And what does that mean exactly?  Here he states that his ministry is a prophetic ministry.  As Christians we know that there is no such thing as a prophetic ministry.  People will only begin to prophesy again in the last days (during the Tribulation):

Acts 2:17-18 “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:”  (Joel 2:28)

There is a movement called the  ‘Hebrew Roots Movement’ where they believe that you cannot understand the bible unless you go back to your Hebrew ways (become like the Jews) and read extra biblical sources such as the Midrash,  Zohar and the Talmud etc., to gain a higher enlightenment of the Scriptures.

The Berean Call says:

“The late Jewish scholar and researcher of first century life in Israel, David Flusser, said rightly; “Jesus was a Jew in every way” ( Jewish Sources in Early Christianity , Adama Books, New York, 1987, p.7). There is absolutely no denying that Jesus was born a Jew and lived an observant Jewish life. He did this to fulfill completely every demand of the law, He did it for us (Romans:8:1-4), and He continues to do it in us if we are true believers.

So if we want to be like Jesus, does that mean that we must become observant Jews, as some allege? Is that what being like Jesus really means? Should Gentile believers try to be Messianic Jews? Can they? Should Gentiles don a yarmulke, worship in a synagogue, blow a shofar, wear a prayer shawl, call Jesus Yeshua or Yeshu, keep the Old Testament feasts and dietary laws, and give their pastors the title of Rabbi, even though Matthew:23:8 says otherwise? Are Jewish ceremonies and practices efficacious?

Do we need to restore first century or later Jewish practices to really be good Christians? The Pharisees practiced all the ceremonies, but theirs is a cautionary tale since Jesus told them that they did these things in vain (Matthew:15:7-9, See also Matthew 23).

So, is Jewishness next to godliness? One very modern movement would answer the question with a loud-“yes, more or less!” This growing movement is called the Hebrew Roots Movement (HRM). Unfortunately, it lacks a shared, coherent, consistent theology, an internal mechanism of doctrinal control, and it is filled with mavericks who seem to be making it up as they go along in terms of attachment to Jewish accoutrements.”  Continue to read this article:  Bewitching Believers Through the Hebrew Roots Movement

Did the Zohar greatly shaped Jonathan Cahn’s writings?

10 Sephirot – Zohar – Kaballah

10 Sephirot – Zohar – Kaballah

I had no idea we needed to be taught NEW revelations from Gnostics books such as the Zohar (part of the Kabbalah).  In this video below we see Jonathan Cahn preaching new revelations about the Bible from an extra-biblical source the Zohar.

The Zohar (Hebrew: זֹהַר, lit. “Splendor” or “Radiance”) is the foundational work in the literature of Jewish mystical thought known as Kabbalah.[1] It is a group of books including commentary on the mystical aspects of the Torah (the five books of Moses) and scriptural interpretations as well as material on mysticism, mythical cosmogony, and mystical psychology. The Zohar contains discussions of the nature of God, the origin and structure of the universe, the nature of souls, redemption, the relationship of Ego to Darkness and “true self” to “The Light of God”. Its scriptural exegesis can be considered an esoteric form of the Rabbinic literature known as Midrash, which elaborates on the Torah.  — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zohar

Watch Jonathan Cahn: Zohar – Golgotha (1)

Jonathan Cahn’s response regarding his quoting the Zohar (Q&A from here):

Question:  It is stated that Jonathan Cahn “says that Zohar, an extra biblical, mystical source from which the occult and mystical Kabbalah is derived, greatly influenced his writing.”

Answer:  “Unfortunately this kind of statements represents some of the extreme and bizarre opposition to The Harbinger – It is an extreme false accusation.  No. I have never in my life said that the Zohar has greatly influenced my writing – nor has it ever.  What this accusation is taken from and twisted out of recognition from – Is that I have in some special teachings shared quotes found in the rabbinic writings which unwittingly bear witness of the truth of the Gospel – things that most Jewish people have no idea of – such as Isaiah 53 being about the Messiah, or God being Three in One, Messiah dying for our sins [DTW Note: Isaiah 53 in our Bible clearly describes the suffering of Jesus Christ.  Why does Cahn need to appeal to occult, mystic Jewish documents like the Zohar/Kabbalah  to get Jewish people to listen? Isn’t reading the Bible itself sufficient for Cahn?], or a connection made between the mercy of God and the word “Golgotha.”  These things can be used to share the Gospel.  This has been a standard method of apologetics and evangelism for ages.  Rabbinical writings, mystical or otherwise, have been quoted for ages, in Bible commentaries, apologetics, works such as The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, etc. To take this and then present it as if I or any Christian pastor or scholar is a secret follower of such things because they used a quote to bear witness of the Gospel is, as, one minister friend of mine would say – shameful at best. It should not have even appeared in print.

The apostle Paul actually quoted from a pagan hymn to Zeus in order to share the truth of the Gospel at Mars Hill.  [DTW Note: This argument has used by many heretics to justify their quoting Catholics, Buddhists, etc.] If we were to then to accuse him of being into Zeus worship, or that pagan writings were behind the epistles, or accuse of him of being secretly pagan – I would think we would need to repent.  It’s called bearing false witness.”

Sorry, for me the logic does not follow. If Cahn is the born again Christian that he claims, he should condemn the ungodly, occult Zohar/Kaballah. He should not quote it, except in condemnation of its passages.

Let’s look at it another way – would a born again, biblically sound Christian:

… quote from a Catholic document to evangelize Catholics because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Mormon document to evangelize Mormons because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Jehovah’s Witnesses document to evangelize Jehovah’s Witnesses because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a New Age document to evangelize New Agers because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Wiccan document to evangelize Wiccans because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Satanic document to evangelize Satanists because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?

The answer is an emphatic NO, a born again Christians does not use and does not need extra biblical sources to preach the gospel.

Is Jonathan Cahn possibly a Freemason?

Who do we as Christian know that delve into Gnostic teachings such as the Kabbalah etc?  Freemasons of course.  Is Jonathan Cahn a Freemason?  A picture is worth a thousand words:

Jonathan Cahn - Freemason

Do you need some more proof? The picture below shows Jonathan Cahn showing the Hebrew letter for Shin ( ש) hand sign in Kabbalah, made popular by Dr Spok in Star Trek also known as the Vulcan salute.  See here as Nelson Mandela does the same Freemason hand sign.

 Jonathan Cahn - Freemason Hand Sign Shin V

The Hebrew letter ש Shin is the twenty-first letter of the Kabbalistic alphabet

The Shemitah 2015

The Berean Call says:

This imposed Shemitah judgment was very specific and involved  only the nation of Israel . Since no Gentile nations were ever obligated to keep the Shemitah, there is no scriptural basis for suggesting that any other nation would ever experience an imposed Shemitah judgment. Yet, this is precisely what Jonathan Cahn suggests that America has experienced.

Cahn also wrongly implies that the Shemitah is essentially a universal  principle  that is somehow integrated into the order of the universe. Cahn makes the following assertion in his book:

[KAPLAN] “Seven years-the biblical period of time that concerns a nation’s financial and economic realms.” [This and all quotes are taken from: Jonathan Cahn,  The Harbinger  (Lake Mary, FL: Frontline, Charisma Media/Charisma House Book Group, 2011)]

Although Israel was on a seven-year economic cycle, no biblical passages support Cahn’s idea that natural economic cycles of seven years exist for nations in general. Furthermore, financial experts have not identified any seven-year economic cycle. http://www.thebereancall.org/content/october-2014-extra-shemitah

If anything happens during The Shemitah (September 2015), it’s not because of God and a connection to Isaiah 9:10, it’s because the Freemasons who control this world are pushing the buttons and they are making things happen (in cycles of 7 as it’s a ‘magic’ number) for their own purposes to further the progress of a New World Order.

Here is Christine Lagarde from the IMF who tells us that the Illuminati are also very interested in the number 7 and cycles of 7.

Jonathan Cahn is using these Harbinger and Shemitah fables to catch millions of unsuspecting Christians into thinking that it’s God’s timing and God’s hand at work, when in fact it’s Satan’s timing, and Satan’s hand at work.

Occult Teachings:

Title:  Jonathan Cahn on TBN:  God of all Nations  

Why would a Christian like Jonathan Cahn appear on the Vatican’s television channel called TBN?

God is not God of all nations, he is not God of this world.   Satan is god of this world.

2 Corinthians 4:4  “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”

Satan is the prince of this world:

John 12:31 “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”

We read that Satan influences the unsaved people of this world, he influences unbeliever’s hopes, dreams, ideals and opinions etc.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

So then who is the God of all nations? None other than Satan of course.

2 Kings 17:29 “Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt.”

For Jonathan Cahn who claims to be a Christian to not know who the god of this world is, is shocking to say the least.  His god is Satan, and his god is ruling this world.

FALSE TEACHING FROM JONATHAN CAHN

I have chosen below a couple of videos from this list on Cahn’s website and found the corresponding video on Youtube where Jonathan teaches occult teachings:

Title: The Alpha Light

Message Number: 1932
Date: 2014-12-21
Summary:  From the beginning of creation to the incarnation and the resurrection – it all begins with light. And not just light, but the alpha light. It is the alpha light that has the power to change everything. Learn the secret of using the Alpha Light in every circumstance to change everything.  [Emphasis added]

So who is this Alpha light Jonathan Cahn is speaking about? The Bible says about God, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” (Revelation 22:13)  It does not say I am the Alpha light.  Cahn also  says “From the beginning of creation to the incarnation and the resurrection, it all begins with light”  This is a lie, it all began with the Word.  The bible says,

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1)

Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet. Omega is the last letter of the Greek alphabet.  In modern usage it would mean “from A to Z”. By combining the two, Alpha and Omega it signifies completeness.  In reference to Jesus Christ it signifies His completeness and demonstrates Him to be the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.  Jesus is complete. He was with God in the beginning and He will be with God in the end. Jesus is the beginning and the ending.

Who then is this Alpha light who was at the beginning according to Jonathan Cahn.  The bible refers to Satan as being an “angel of light” in 2 Corinthians 11:14-15.  Lucifer is a Latin word that means “light bearer”. It comes from the translation of Isaiah 14:12 where Satan is called (hay-lale’) in hebrew meaning “the morning-star” (in the sense of brightness) and it’s root word means “to shine”.  So as we can see Satan is seen as someone who gives light.   Satan tried to usurp God’s throne, the bible says:

Isaiah 14:13-14  “13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”

Now we can see why Satan in Luciferianism refers to himself as the Alpha light because he is still trying to be higher than God.  Jonathan Cahn says, “Learn the secret of using the Alpha Light in every circumstance to change everything”.  What he is saying is this, learn to use Satan the Alpha light, instead of Jesus Christ – the way, the truth and the life.

Let’s hear what Freemasons have to say:

LUCIFER PRAISED AS THE LIGHT-BEARER OF FREEMASONRY

“Lucifer, the Light-bearer!  Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness!  Lucifer, the Son of the Morning!  Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls?  Doubt it not!”  [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff; Red Emphasis added]

What a revelation!  From the first degree, the first Initiation, the Mason is urged mightily to “seek the Light“!  The average Mason is continually saying that he is “seeking the Light”, and will spend his entire life “moving toward the Light”.  Almost every person in Western Civilization will assume that this “Light” is the revelation of the God of the Bible; indeed, this statement is held up continuously to try to convince us that Masonry is Christian.  Yet, here, Albert Pike is saying that Lucifer is the One who bears the Light of Freemasonry!  Lucifer is the Light-bearer of Freemasonry http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html

Title: The State of Onement

Message Number: 1918
Date: 2014-10-05
Summary: The Mystery of Yom Kippur and the Bible itself is about becoming one with God. Most believers never enter it, but you can. How to live in the state of Onement.  [Emphasis added]

A state on onement?  Jonathan Cahn says: “…the bible itself is about becoming one with God. Most believers never enter it, but you can”  This is clearly a higher level of spirituality of some kind, because until now only some Christians have attained it. Jonathan Cahn will give you the secret on how you can enter into a state of becoming one with God.  Occultists like to take the word “atonement” and break it down to another word “at-one-ment”.A truly born again child of God does not need to become “at-one-ment” or figure out how to find the “state of onement” with God because Jesus said,

John 14:20   “In that day [His resurrection] you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.”

When you come born again, He made us one with Himself, His (our) Father and the Holy Spirit.   You don’t have to figure out how to become at-one with God and neither do you become a god because of this.

New Agers believe that “you are not separate from God; every person is born a piece of God.”  In order to be “at-one-ment” with God you need to meditate and believe that God is in everyone and everything including yourself.  A “state of oneness” means that you need to find the Christ within, and become a God.

Jonathan Cahn teaches that he will give you the keys on how to enter in becoming one with God after you are saved – those who teach that people need to become one with God are proclaiming another Gospel, another Jesus and another spirit.

Please read this article that explains more about At-one-ment or Oneness theory:  Guilt by Association

Conclusion

Jonathan Cahn is a Freemason leading million of Christians astray with his new revelations, keys and mysteries.  He appears on every false teachers TV show and tickles peoples ears with this false teachings.  People need to ignore this man and his teachings.  We are living in the last of the last days and I believe there are going to be more men like Jonathan Cahn (possibly from a messianic stand point) coming to the forefront however they will be even more charismatic and even more deceiving, so much so that if it were possible even the Elect would be deceived.  Please note, he does not believe in the Rapture and believes Christians are going to go through the Tribulation.

Matthew 24:24  “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

Please read all comments below (I know there are a lot) as Jonathan Cahn is exposed even more.

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Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

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david Hornstein wrote:

I think you did a poor job of verifying a lot of your accusations.
For Example, what evidence do you have that Cahn is a freemason. Zero,
Nada, no e yet by our try to destroy his character by repeating that and twisting a lot of what he has shared to fit your accusations.
I don’t think I have ever heard him say the America is a “replacement” or substitute for the nation of Israel, on The contrary, we are more of a reflection of the nation of Israel. Which doesn’t diminish Israel’s role in these last days which we arenin, you seem to doubt that with some of your conjectures.
A bad expose for many reasons. You have an ax to grind with Cahn, and I’m not sure why. Judgement is coming against out sin and depravity,
Whether we like it or not……
Time will bear out the truth of what he has been saying and my spirit does not feel the need to condemn him for anything I have heard him say or do at this point.

I agree wholeheartedly. The enemy is a copier of God (because God is Light (Genesis 1), the devil tries to be light and fool everyone into believing he is God when he is not. That is why there are many similarities, such as Easter and Pesach (Passover) and others. I believe that Johnathan Cahn is telling the truth. His arguments against Christmas make sense. I would like to add that there is a clear link between the pentagram in occultism and the feast of the devil. If you look at what each side of the pentagram represent and look at Christmas, you can see the link (example, the spirit of Christmas and the Christmas tree that comes out of the earth) Plus, why do even the unbelieving believe in Christmas?

What I’m trying to say is that we should reconsider our beliefs and test them to see if they are true. I pray for discernment and that the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Ghost) will convince you of only the truth.

Shabbat Shalom to all Jewish readers!

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Micayla, let’s first clarify whether you believe in a rapture at all. Paul clearly describes a rapture in 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4. Yet, you say Matthew disqualifies the rapture.

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Micayla Bam.

You agree that the devil is capable of turning himself into an angel of light but fail to see that Jonathan Cahn is one of his ministers? (2 Corinthians 11:14-15) Cahn is a Kabbahlist who is misleading thousands into Jewish mysticism. Please read here.
Tell me, Micayla, is Jesus Christ the Jewish Messiah?

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Deborah wrote:

“The answer is no, a born again Christians does not use and does not need extra biblical sources to preach the gospel.”

Indeed, “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” (Romans 10:17). Full stop.

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Yes, especially Matthew 13. Read it and tell me what you think. The Bible also says ”as was in the days of Noah”. What happened then? The unrighteous died and only Noah and his family (righteous people) were saved. Most of the other righteous people, for example, Methuselah, died. (Did you know that his name means ”his death shall bring”?) I believe that Johnathan Cahn is only misunderstood. However, I might be wrong. I have seen other priests use that symbol. It might only show how kabbalisism has infiltrated religion. Yes, Jesus(Jeshua) is the Jewish Messiah.

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Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

Here we have Johnathan Cahn lighting a 9 stick Menorah, the biblical Menorah is a 7 stick candle holder, the 9 stick is a false Menorah and reflects all paths leading to one God. For someone who is a Rabbi you would think he would know the difference between a biblical Menorah and a Universal Menorah. But he does not, because he follows the Kabbalah that teaches all paths lead to one God (Lucifer).
See picture here:comment image

Where did you see that? I only saw him lighting a seven stick Menorah when he was giving the 2018-2019 prophecy.

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https://www.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_9_stick_menorah_means

Does that answer it or am I just clueless? Sorry, I’m not Jewish so I would not know if it’s true or not.

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Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

Micayla Bam.
You agree that the devil is capable of turning himself into an angel of light but fail to see that Jonathan Cahn is one of his ministers? (2 Corinthians 11:14-15) Cahn is a Kabbahlist who is misleading thousands into Jewish mysticism. Please read here.
Tell me, Micayla, is Jesus Christ the Jewish Messiah?

He(Jeshua/Jesus) is the saviour of anybody who accepts Him as Lord and saviour.

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Micayla Bam. Deborah presented you with a link to a picture where Cahn lights a nine stick Menorah and still, you ask, “Where did you see that?”

Dave Hunt wrote:

December 1, 2016

Question: You once made a comment in the Q&A section that “the lighting of candles in conjunction with religious observance is a pagan and occult practice.” I beg to differ with you. God commanded the use of candles in worship of him in the Torah (Ex 25:37) and more than 50 other places in the Old Testament. The Menorah (candles) were commanded by God to be used in worship. This custom was practiced by the Jews to obey God. This is alluded to in the New Testament. Jesus is a/the [sic] light (candle). Revelation chapters 1-3 talk about candles and worship. Candles in worship are not prohibited or condemned in Scripture; in fact, they are encouraged and commended. I think you need to reconsider your statement.

Response: On the contrary, neither the word “candle” nor “candles” is ever used in the Bible in relation to worship. The words “candlestick” and “candlesticks” (prior to Revelation) refer to objects used exclusively in the tabernacle and/or temple. There was, in fact, no “custom practiced by the Jews” involving candles or candlesticks. These items were unique. Their use was solely in conjunction with the priestly duties inside the tabernacle or temple, and there were no copies of them in use outside the tabernacle or temple for the Jews to involve in any of their customs.

Any religious use today of candles or candlesticks would signify a return “to the weak and beggarly elements” of the old covenant” (Gal:4:9) with its animal sacrifices. That would be a blatant denial of Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross. Candles and candlesticks were “a figure for the time then present…in meats and drinks…and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until…Christ being come an high priest of good things to come…by his own blood…entered once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us” (Heb:9:1-12).

In Revelation, seven candlesticks are seen in heaven in Christ’s presence. These are not used in worship but represent “the seven churches” to which Christ writes (Heb:1:20). There is one further mention of a candlestick: Christ warns the church at Ephesus to repent or He will “remove thy candlestick,” i.e., no longer acknowledge it as a true church.

Candles are, however, used in witchcraft, and in Roman Catholicism as a symbol of prayer to the alleged saints. It would be unbiblical and could open the door to further error for true Christians to start to use candles as part of prayer or worship.

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Micayla Bam. You said Matthew 24 denies a rapture. Now suddenly you jump to Mathew 13. What do you want to prove? Matthew could not have written about a rapture of any kind because its mystery was only revealed to Paul later. (1 Corinthians 15:51).

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Micayla Bam. If you are prepared to light the Menorah, you must also be prepared to use the holy anointing oil in Exodus 30.

Moreover the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels, And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil. And thou shalt anoint the tabernacle of the congregation therewith, and the ark of the testimony, And the table and all his vessels, and the candlestick and his vessels, and the altar of incense, And the altar of burnt offering with all his vessels, and the laver and his foot. And thou shalt sanctify them, that they may be most holy: whatsoever toucheth them shall be holy. And thou shalt anoint Aaron and his sons, and consecrate them, that they may minister unto me in the priest’s office. And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, This shall be an holy anointing oil unto me throughout your generations. Upon man’s flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you. Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger, shall even be cut off from his people. And the LORD said unto Moses, Take unto thee sweet spices, stacte, and onycha, and galbanum; these sweet spices with pure frankincense: of each shall there be a like weight: And thou shalt make it a perfume, a confection after the art of the apothecary, tempered together, pure and holy: And thou shalt beat some of it very small, and put of it before the testimony in the tabernacle of the congregation, where I will meet with thee: it shall be unto you most holy. And as for the perfume which thou shalt make, ye shall not make to yourselves according to the composition thereof: it shall be unto thee holy for the LORD. Whosoever shall make like unto that, to smell thereto, shall even be cut off [put to death] from his people.(Exo 30:22-38)

Note, the penalty for trying to make something similar to the holy oil was death. Yet many Christians use so-called “holy oil” to anoint their homes. It is not biblical but, in fact, occultic, as Dave Hunt explained. If you want to do one of these Old Testament customs, like lighting the Menorah or anointing with holy oil, you must also do all the other things that pertained to the temple, including animal sacrifices. “These things were but a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.” (Heb 10:1). Are you prepared to return to the shadow with Jonathan Cahn? If you really believe with all your heart that “Yeshua/Jesus is the Messiah” you won’t follow strangers like Jonathan Cahn and his teachings.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. (Joh 10:1-5)

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Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

Micayla Bam. You said Matthew 24 denies a rapture. Now suddenly you jump to Mathew 13. What do you want to prove? Matthew could not have written about a rapture of any kind because its mystery was only revealed to Paul later. (1 Corinthians 15:51).

Please just read it and tell me what you think. I said Matthew first and then narrowed it down to Matthew 13, specifically the second parable. It is the one that talks about the field owner.

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Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

Micayla Bam. If you are prepared to light the Menorah, you must also be prepared to use the holy anointing oil in Exodus 30.
Moreover the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels, And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil. And thou shalt anoint the tabernacle of the congregation therewith, and the ark of the testimony, And the table and all his vessels, and the candlestick and his vessels, and the altar of incense, And the altar of burnt offering with all his vessels, and the laver and his foot. And thou shalt sanctify them, that they may be most holy: whatsoever toucheth them shall be holy. And thou shalt anoint Aaron and his sons, and consecrate them, that they may minister unto me in the priest’s office. And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, This shall be an holy anointing oil unto me throughout your generations. Upon man’s flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you. Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger, shall even be cut off from his people. And the LORD said unto Moses, Take unto thee sweet spices, stacte, and onycha, and galbanum; these sweet spices with pure frankincense: of each shall there be a like weight: And thou shalt make it a perfume, a confection after the art of the apothecary, tempered together, pure and holy: And thou shalt beat some of it very small, and put of it before the testimony in the tabernacle of the congregation, where I will meet with thee: it shall be unto you most holy. And as for the perfume which thou shalt make, ye shall not make to yourselves according to the composition thereof: it shall be unto thee holy for the LORD. Whosoever shall make like unto that, to smell thereto, shall even be cut off [put to death] from his people.(Exo 30:22-38)
Note, the penalty for trying to make something similar to the holy oil was death. Yet many Christians use so-called “holy oil” to anoint their homes. It is not biblical but, in fact, occultic, as Dave Hunt explained. If you want to do one of these Old Testament customs, like lighting the Menorah or anointing with holy oil, you must also do all the other things that pertained to the temple, including animal sacrifices. “These things were but a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.” (Heb 10:1). Are you prepared to return to the shadow with Jonathan Cahn? If you really believe with all your heart that “Yeshua/Jesus is the Messiah” you won’t follow strangers like Jonathan Cahn and his teachings.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. (Joh 10:1-5)

We know that Jesus abolished the sacrificial system by becoming the ultimate sacrifice. Yes, I know of that scripture. It just makes me wonder why all Jews light the Menorah on say Hanukkah. Just a thought.

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Micayla Bam

You said you are not a Jew. Jews who have become Christians (receive Jesus as their Messiah) no longer do it either, and if they do, they too are going back to the shadow.

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Please read this:

Paul Benson – A Bottomless Bucket (Part 3)

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Well, if you know Jesus fulfilled the Law and all the temple ordinances, why are you so hung up on Jonathan Cahn and the rubbish he declares in his books?

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Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

Well, if you know Jesus fulfilled the Law and all the temple ordinances, why are you so hung up on Jonathan Cahn and the rubbish he declares in his books?

I have only heard him speak about the Bible, Tenach and the Biblical feasts and how the prophesies in the Bible are coming true. Never have I seen him do anything else. Maybe you can enlighten me of what you were talking about. All I see him doing is strictly passed down Jewish traditions. The fault may lay by exactly that. The traditions are the cause of all the misconceptions we have discussed. If you can show me one instance of him doing anything un-Jewish, then we can talk.

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Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

Micayla Bam
You said you are not a Jew. Jews who have become Christians (receive Jesus as their Messiah) no longer do it either, and if they do, they too are going back to the shadow.

I don’t do that. I only try to do the biblical feasts, such as Pesach, Rosh Hashana, Feast of trumpets, etc. This is because years ago I was shown how the feasts we celebrate, such as Christmas, are in fact not from God (and no, it was not Johnathan Cahn’s works that brought such a change). Even the Sabbath has been changed. There is irrefutable proof of this in the Bible.

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Micayla Bam.

All I see him doing is strictly passed down Jewish traditions. The fault may lay by exactly that. The traditions are the cause of all the misconceptions we have discussed. If you can show me one instance of him doing anything un-Jewish, then we can talk.

Well, Jesus Christ didn’t think much of Jewish traditions.

Jesus replied, “You hypocrites, Isaiah described you beautifully when he wrote—‘This people honours me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. And in vain they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men’. You are so busy holding on to the traditions of men that you let go the commandment of God!” (Mark 7:6=8)

Jonathan Cahn is doing just that. His book The Harbinger is steeped in Kabbalah and Jewish mystic traditions.

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Micayla Bam.

I don’t do that. I only try to do the biblical feasts, such as Pesach, Rosh Hashana, Feast of trumpets, etc. This is because years ago I was shown how the feasts we celebrate, such as Christmas, are in fact not from God (and no, it was not Johnathan Cahn’s works that brought such a change). Even the Sabbath has been changed. There is irrefutable proof of this in the Bible.

Trying to do the biblical feasts is not going to help you at all, just as much as not keeping Christmas is going to help you, and here’s why: “He [God] sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any [other] nation…” (Ps:147:19-20); “For when the Gentiles, which have not the law…” (Rom:2:14); “…my kinsmen according to the flesh:…Israelites; to whom pertaineth the…covenants, and the giving of the law” (Rom:9:3-4); “…ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh…aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise…” (Eph:2:11-12), etc., etc.

Are you a Seventh Day Adventist?

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Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

Micayla Bam.
All I see him doing is strictly passed down Jewish traditions. The fault may lay by exactly that. The traditions are the cause of all the misconceptions we have discussed. If you can show me one instance of him doing anything un-Jewish, then we can talk.
Well, Jesus Christ didn’t think much of Jewish traditions.
Jesus replied, “You hypocrites, Isaiah described you beautifully when he wrote—‘This people honours me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. And in vain they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men’. You are so busy holding on to the traditions of men that you let go the commandment of God!” (Mark 7:6=8)
Jonathan Cahn is doing just that. His book The Harbinger is steeped in Kabbalah and Jewish mystic traditions.

Realy? So Jesus did not keep the Sabbath, even though He was Lord of the Sabbath? He kept it. To a T. It is foolish to think otherwise.

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Deleted – I don’t think you will ever understand the meaning of the Law.

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Micayla Bam

Realy? So Jesus did not keep the Sabbath, even though He was Lord of the Sabbath? He kept it. To a T. It is foolish to think otherwise.

No. He did not merely keep the Sabbath and the Law in its entirety; He fulfilled it to a T. He was also circumcised at the age of eight days according to the Law. Should all of today’s little boys also be circumcised? I really think your interpretation of the Law and the keeping thereof today is foolish.

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Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

Micayla Bam
Realy? So Jesus did not keep the Sabbath, even though He was Lord of the Sabbath? He kept it. To a T. It is foolish to think otherwise.
No. He did not merely keep the Sabbath and the Law in its entirety; He fulfilled it to a T. He was also circumcised at the age of eight days according to the Law. Should all of today’s little boys also be circumcised? I really think your interpretation of the Law and the keeping thereof today is foolish.

Yes, but keeping God’s commandments is not.

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Micayla Bam

Yes, but keeping God’s commandments is not.

Where does God say you must keep his Ten Commandments or any of his festivals?

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Tom

Why did you delete my comment about the Sabbath? Did you even test whether it was true or not? If you read you would not have done that. I know, I struggled to believe it at first until I figured it out by myself.

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I guess ignorance is bliss to you. You keep deleting true comments. I know now who I would rather believe. You are so stuck in your silly traditions and beliefs, just like the Pharisees.

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Micayla Bam

Why did you delete my comment about the Sabbath? Did you even test whether it was true or not? If you read you would not have done that. I know, I struggled to believe it at first until I figured it out by myself.

You are doing exactly what Paul warned against.

Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. (Gal 4:8-11)

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I guess ignorance is bliss to you. You keep deleting true comments. I know now who I would rather believe. You are so stuck in your silly traditions and beliefs, just like the Pharisees.

How odd; you have given a perfect description of yourself.

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Micayla Bam wrote:

I guess ignorance is bliss to you. You keep deleting true comments. I know now who I would rather believe. You are so stuck in your silly traditions and beliefs, just like the Pharisees.

Does keeping the Sabbath have any bearing on one’s salvation?