Why Jonathan Cahn and His Revelations Must be Ignored
Why Jonathan Cahn, His Mysteries, Keys and Revelations Must be Ignored
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn has been bothering me with his “The Harbinger” and now “The Mystery of the Shemitah” ‘revelations‘. Who is he exactly? Is he a born again Christian or is far worse than just your plain run of the mill false teacher?
He calls himself a Rabbi yet the bible says:
Matthew 23:8 “8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.”
He has been labelled a modern day prophet as he brings a prophetic message with The Harbinger where he blatantly implies that America is treading the same path for judgment as ancient Israel and connects Isaiah 9:10 to America. The Harbinger was published by FrontLine, an imprint of Charisma House which used to be known as Strang Communications run by Steve Strang who is part of the New Apostolic Reformation.
Israel and a New World…
The main problem with The Harbinger is that Jonathan Cahn equates America to be a replacement of Israel, a New Israel. He says in his book:
The Prophet: “But there was one other-a civilization also conceived and dedicated to the will of God from its conception . . . America. In fact, those who laid its foundations . . .”
Noriel Kaplan: “The Founding Fathers.”
The Prophet: “No, long before the Founding Fathers. Those who laid America’s foundations saw it as the new Israel, an Israel of the New World. And as it was with ancient Israel, they saw it as in covenant with God.“
This is unbiblical. Jonathan Cahn is claiming that the Pilgrims (America’s founders who were Puritans – Calvinists) constituted America to be in a covenant relationship with God like Israel is in a covenant with God. This is of course a lie, but they believed it never the less. He claims that America replaces Israel as the new Israel for a New World…Order. Israel is the only nation in a covenant relationship with God that was established through Abraham.
Here he says it again on Glen Becks show. Glen Beck is a Mormon. Why would a christian like Jonathan Cahn appear on a Mormon’s show?
2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Jonathan Cahn On Glenn Beck’s TV show (A Mormon)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQnF9WGNW-U
Another country who also believes they are the New Israel is Britain, with the British Royal Family believing that they are descendants of King David. This is of course a lie. But they believe it never the less. This is called British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism).
Freemasons, other occultists and unbelievers can’t stand the fact that Israel is God’s chosen nation and will do anything to replace Israel, literally and spiritually.
The King Solomon connection
Jonathan Cahn says in The Harbinger:
Kaplan: “Some link between this city and the ancient vow,” I said. “Somehow Isaiah 9:10 has to be connected to Washington DC.” (p.61)
George Washington – Freemason
The Prophet: “Solomon was the king of Israel. Washington was the first president of the United States. There was something in the linking of ancient Israel and America, as with all the other mysteries.”(p.109)
King Solomon was appointed by God Himself to be king. George Washington was elected via vote to be President. There is a big difference between the two. George Washington was also a Freemason. When George Washington spoke of God, he was referring to Lucifer, not the God of the bible. Freemasons are besotted with claiming Israel for themselves. The Pilgrims who proclaimed a false covenant with God were most likely Freemasons as well hence they could come up with such nonsense as to claim America to be the New Israel.
Freemasons also worship King Solomon who they believed to be the greatest magus (sorcerer) of all time. Is that why Jonathan Cahn connects King Solomon to George Washington because it’s a satanic connection?
“The purpose of Masonry’s veneration of Solomon is not to advance an alternate view of history, but to present, however subtly, the archetype of the future human being — men and women who truly possess Solomon’s Key — the power to master our own demons and redirect their destructive energy to build the Temple of our own evolving soul.” —Lon Milo DuQuette, The Key to King Solomons Keys – Is this the lost symbol of Masonry, Second Edition
So who is Jonathan Cahn then and what does he believe?
Well if you go to his website it says:
“Jonathan Cahn is President of Hope of the World ministries, Senior Pastor and Messianic Rabbi of the the Jerusalem Center/ Beth Israel in Wayne, New Jersey. He is also the author of the best selling book ‘The Harbinger‘. His teachings are broadcast daily over hundreds of radio stations throughout the United States and the world and on television. He ministers, as did the first Jewish messengers of the Gospel, sharing the message of Messiah to Jew and Gentile, Israel, and the nations. He has ministered before mass gatherings in India, Nigeria, Cuba, Mizoram, Honduras, Haiti, & throughout the world. His teachings are widely known for revealing the deep mysteries of God’s word and for the restoring of the new covenant message to its original biblically Jewish richness and power.” [Emphasis added] —http://www.bethisraelworshipcenter.org/aboutjonathan.htm
That is very interesting. So Jonathan Cahn knows the deep mysteries of God’s Word that Christians don’t know? And only Jonathan Cahn can reveal these mysteries to us? Jonathan Cahn’s plan is also to restore the message that Jesus Christ preaches to it’s original Jewish richness and power. So until Jonathan Cahn came along all born again believers for the last 2000+ years that have been reading the Scriptures were reading a bible that had no value and no authority what-so-ever. Isn’t that nice, that Jonathan Cahn came to save the day.
What does he mean by all ‘richness and power’? Does he mean that we need to infuse the Bible with Kaballah mysticism in order to understand it properly?
Here is another version of his biography that was on his website but the link has now been removed:
“Jonathan Cahn is President of Hope of the World ministries….Descended of the line of Aaron, he has been asked to sound the Jubilee trumpet and minister among the nations, a prophetic ministry of and to the Jew and the Gentile in the last days. His teachings include the revealing of ancient mysteries, the depth and wonders of God’s Word, and the restoration of the Gospel message in its original Biblically Jewish context, richness, and power.”
Who asked him to sound the Jubilee trumpet? And what does that mean exactly? Here he states that his ministry is a prophetic ministry. As Christians we know that there is no such thing as a prophetic ministry. People will only begin to prophesy again in the last days (during the Tribulation):
Acts 2:17-18 “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:” (Joel 2:28)
There is a movement called the ‘Hebrew Roots Movement’ where they believe that you cannot understand the bible unless you go back to your Hebrew ways (become like the Jews) and read extra biblical sources such as the Midrash, Zohar and the Talmud etc., to gain a higher enlightenment of the Scriptures.
The Berean Call says:
“The late Jewish scholar and researcher of first century life in Israel, David Flusser, said rightly; “Jesus was a Jew in every way” ( Jewish Sources in Early Christianity , Adama Books, New York, 1987, p.7). There is absolutely no denying that Jesus was born a Jew and lived an observant Jewish life. He did this to fulfill completely every demand of the law, He did it for us (Romans:8:1-4), and He continues to do it in us if we are true believers.
So if we want to be like Jesus, does that mean that we must become observant Jews, as some allege? Is that what being like Jesus really means? Should Gentile believers try to be Messianic Jews? Can they? Should Gentiles don a yarmulke, worship in a synagogue, blow a shofar, wear a prayer shawl, call Jesus Yeshua or Yeshu, keep the Old Testament feasts and dietary laws, and give their pastors the title of Rabbi, even though Matthew:23:8 says otherwise? Are Jewish ceremonies and practices efficacious?
Do we need to restore first century or later Jewish practices to really be good Christians? The Pharisees practiced all the ceremonies, but theirs is a cautionary tale since Jesus told them that they did these things in vain (Matthew:15:7-9, See also Matthew 23).
So, is Jewishness next to godliness? One very modern movement would answer the question with a loud-“yes, more or less!” This growing movement is called the Hebrew Roots Movement (HRM). Unfortunately, it lacks a shared, coherent, consistent theology, an internal mechanism of doctrinal control, and it is filled with mavericks who seem to be making it up as they go along in terms of attachment to Jewish accoutrements.” Continue to read this article: Bewitching Believers Through the Hebrew Roots Movement
Did the Zohar greatly shaped Jonathan Cahn’s writings?
10 Sephirot – Zohar – Kaballah
I had no idea we needed to be taught NEW revelations from Gnostics books such as the Zohar (part of the Kabbalah). In this video below we see Jonathan Cahn preaching new revelations about the Bible from an extra-biblical source the Zohar.
The Zohar (Hebrew: זֹהַר, lit. “Splendor” or “Radiance”) is the foundational work in the literature of Jewish mystical thought known as Kabbalah.[1] It is a group of books including commentary on the mystical aspects of the Torah (the five books of Moses) and scriptural interpretations as well as material on mysticism, mythical cosmogony, and mystical psychology. The Zohar contains discussions of the nature of God, the origin and structure of the universe, the nature of souls, redemption, the relationship of Ego to Darkness and “true self” to “The Light of God”. Its scriptural exegesis can be considered an esoteric form of the Rabbinic literature known as Midrash, which elaborates on the Torah. — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zohar
Watch Jonathan Cahn: Zohar – Golgotha (1)
Jonathan Cahn’s response regarding his quoting the Zohar (Q&A from here):
Question: It is stated that Jonathan Cahn “says that Zohar, an extra biblical, mystical source from which the occult and mystical Kabbalah is derived, greatly influenced his writing.”
Answer: “Unfortunately this kind of statements represents some of the extreme and bizarre opposition to The Harbinger – It is an extreme false accusation. No. I have never in my life said that the Zohar has greatly influenced my writing – nor has it ever. What this accusation is taken from and twisted out of recognition from – Is that I have in some special teachings shared quotes found in the rabbinic writings which unwittingly bear witness of the truth of the Gospel – things that most Jewish people have no idea of – such as Isaiah 53 being about the Messiah, or God being Three in One, Messiah dying for our sins [DTW Note: Isaiah 53 in our Bible clearly describes the suffering of Jesus Christ. Why does Cahn need to appeal to occult, mystic Jewish documents like the Zohar/Kabbalah to get Jewish people to listen? Isn’t reading the Bible itself sufficient for Cahn?], or a connection made between the mercy of God and the word “Golgotha.” These things can be used to share the Gospel. This has been a standard method of apologetics and evangelism for ages. Rabbinical writings, mystical or otherwise, have been quoted for ages, in Bible commentaries, apologetics, works such as The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, etc. To take this and then present it as if I or any Christian pastor or scholar is a secret follower of such things because they used a quote to bear witness of the Gospel is, as, one minister friend of mine would say – shameful at best. It should not have even appeared in print.
The apostle Paul actually quoted from a pagan hymn to Zeus in order to share the truth of the Gospel at Mars Hill. [DTW Note: This argument has used by many heretics to justify their quoting Catholics, Buddhists, etc.] If we were to then to accuse him of being into Zeus worship, or that pagan writings were behind the epistles, or accuse of him of being secretly pagan – I would think we would need to repent. It’s called bearing false witness.”
Sorry, for me the logic does not follow. If Cahn is the born again Christian that he claims, he should condemn the ungodly, occult Zohar/Kaballah. He should not quote it, except in condemnation of its passages.
Let’s look at it another way – would a born again, biblically sound Christian:
… quote from a Catholic document to evangelize Catholics because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Mormon document to evangelize Mormons because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Jehovah’s Witnesses document to evangelize Jehovah’s Witnesses because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a New Age document to evangelize New Agers because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Wiccan document to evangelize Wiccans because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Satanic document to evangelize Satanists because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
The answer is an emphatic NO, a born again Christians does not use and does not need extra biblical sources to preach the gospel.
Is Jonathan Cahn possibly a Freemason?
Who do we as Christian know that delve into Gnostic teachings such as the Kabbalah etc? Freemasons of course. Is Jonathan Cahn a Freemason? A picture is worth a thousand words:
Do you need some more proof? The picture below shows Jonathan Cahn showing the Hebrew letter for Shin ( ש) hand sign in Kabbalah, made popular by Dr Spok in Star Trek also known as the Vulcan salute. See here as Nelson Mandela does the same Freemason hand sign.
The Hebrew letter ש Shin is the twenty-first letter of the Kabbalistic alphabet
The Shemitah 2015
The Berean Call says:
This imposed Shemitah judgment was very specific and involved only the nation of Israel . Since no Gentile nations were ever obligated to keep the Shemitah, there is no scriptural basis for suggesting that any other nation would ever experience an imposed Shemitah judgment. Yet, this is precisely what Jonathan Cahn suggests that America has experienced.
Cahn also wrongly implies that the Shemitah is essentially a universal principle that is somehow integrated into the order of the universe. Cahn makes the following assertion in his book:
[KAPLAN] “Seven years-the biblical period of time that concerns a nation’s financial and economic realms.” [This and all quotes are taken from: Jonathan Cahn, The Harbinger (Lake Mary, FL: Frontline, Charisma Media/Charisma House Book Group, 2011)]
Although Israel was on a seven-year economic cycle, no biblical passages support Cahn’s idea that natural economic cycles of seven years exist for nations in general. Furthermore, financial experts have not identified any seven-year economic cycle. —http://www.thebereancall.org/content/october-2014-extra-shemitah
If anything happens during The Shemitah (September 2015), it’s not because of God and a connection to Isaiah 9:10, it’s because the Freemasons who control this world are pushing the buttons and they are making things happen (in cycles of 7 as it’s a ‘magic’ number) for their own purposes to further the progress of a New World Order.
Here is Christine Lagarde from the IMF who tells us that the Illuminati are also very interested in the number 7 and cycles of 7.
Jonathan Cahn is using these Harbinger and Shemitah fables to catch millions of unsuspecting Christians into thinking that it’s God’s timing and God’s hand at work, when in fact it’s Satan’s timing, and Satan’s hand at work.
Occult Teachings:
Title: Jonathan Cahn on TBN: God of all Nations
Why would a Christian like Jonathan Cahn appear on the Vatican’s television channel called TBN?
God is not God of all nations, he is not God of this world. Satan is god of this world.
2 Corinthians 4:4 “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
Satan is the prince of this world:
John 12:31 “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”
We read that Satan influences the unsaved people of this world, he influences unbeliever’s hopes, dreams, ideals and opinions etc.
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
So then who is the God of all nations? None other than Satan of course.
2 Kings 17:29 “Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt.”
For Jonathan Cahn who claims to be a Christian to not know who the god of this world is, is shocking to say the least. His god is Satan, and his god is ruling this world.
FALSE TEACHING FROM JONATHAN CAHN
I have chosen below a couple of videos from this list on Cahn’s website and found the corresponding video on Youtube where Jonathan teaches occult teachings:
Title: The Alpha Light
So who is this Alpha light Jonathan Cahn is speaking about? The Bible says about God, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” (Revelation 22:13) It does not say I am the Alpha light. Cahn also says “From the beginning of creation to the incarnation and the resurrection, it all begins with light” This is a lie, it all began with the Word. The bible says,
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1)
Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet. Omega is the last letter of the Greek alphabet. In modern usage it would mean “from A to Z”. By combining the two, Alpha and Omega it signifies completeness. In reference to Jesus Christ it signifies His completeness and demonstrates Him to be the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Jesus is complete. He was with God in the beginning and He will be with God in the end. Jesus is the beginning and the ending.
Who then is this Alpha light who was at the beginning according to Jonathan Cahn. The bible refers to Satan as being an “angel of light” in 2 Corinthians 11:14-15. Lucifer is a Latin word that means “light bearer”. It comes from the translation of Isaiah 14:12 where Satan is called (hay-lale’) in hebrew meaning “the morning-star” (in the sense of brightness) and it’s root word means “to shine”. So as we can see Satan is seen as someone who gives light. Satan tried to usurp God’s throne, the bible says:
Isaiah 14:13-14 “13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”
Now we can see why Satan in Luciferianism refers to himself as the Alpha light because he is still trying to be higher than God. Jonathan Cahn says, “Learn the secret of using the Alpha Light in every circumstance to change everything”. What he is saying is this, learn to use Satan the Alpha light, instead of Jesus Christ – the way, the truth and the life.
Let’s hear what Freemasons have to say:
LUCIFER PRAISED AS THE LIGHT-BEARER OF FREEMASONRY
“Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!” [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff; Red Emphasis added]
What a revelation! From the first degree, the first Initiation, the Mason is urged mightily to “seek the Light“! The average Mason is continually saying that he is “seeking the Light”, and will spend his entire life “moving toward the Light”. Almost every person in Western Civilization will assume that this “Light” is the revelation of the God of the Bible; indeed, this statement is held up continuously to try to convince us that Masonry is Christian. Yet, here, Albert Pike is saying that Lucifer is the One who bears the Light of Freemasonry! Lucifer is the Light-bearer of Freemasonry —http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html
Title: The State of Onement
A state on onement? Jonathan Cahn says: “…the bible itself is about becoming one with God. Most believers never enter it, but you can” This is clearly a higher level of spirituality of some kind, because until now only some Christians have attained it. Jonathan Cahn will give you the secret on how you can enter into a state of becoming one with God. Occultists like to take the word “atonement” and break it down to another word “at-one-ment”.A truly born again child of God does not need to become “at-one-ment” or figure out how to find the “state of onement” with God because Jesus said,
John 14:20 “In that day [His resurrection] you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.”
When you come born again, He made us one with Himself, His (our) Father and the Holy Spirit. You don’t have to figure out how to become at-one with God and neither do you become a god because of this.
New Agers believe that “you are not separate from God; every person is born a piece of God.” In order to be “at-one-ment” with God you need to meditate and believe that God is in everyone and everything including yourself. A “state of oneness” means that you need to find the Christ within, and become a God.
Jonathan Cahn teaches that he will give you the keys on how to enter in becoming one with God after you are saved – those who teach that people need to become one with God are proclaiming another Gospel, another Jesus and another spirit.
Please read this article that explains more about At-one-ment or Oneness theory: Guilt by Association
Conclusion
Jonathan Cahn is a Freemason leading million of Christians astray with his new revelations, keys and mysteries. He appears on every false teachers TV show and tickles peoples ears with this false teachings. People need to ignore this man and his teachings. We are living in the last of the last days and I believe there are going to be more men like Jonathan Cahn (possibly from a messianic stand point) coming to the forefront however they will be even more charismatic and even more deceiving, so much so that if it were possible even the Elect would be deceived. Please note, he does not believe in the Rapture and believes Christians are going to go through the Tribulation.
Matthew 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
Please read all comments below (I know there are a lot) as Jonathan Cahn is exposed even more.
bradly wrote,
In that case you cannot remain in the Mormon church. You must leave it. It is either Mormonism or Jesus Christ. You cannot have both. Jesus said,
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. (John 10:1-5)
HinTom and Deb
Thanks for posting this discission. I have a few friends swallowing this hook line and sinker, but won’t read the Word to see different.
Regarding pre-trib as i see some of the posts, if i may address that part a bit more clearly.
Rev 12 speaks of a man-child – not Jesus, but those born from a woman, the Body of Christ on Earth (hate saying “the Church “cuz some think it as RC), anyway the man-child was taken up right after birth.
As well the woman who gave birth (not Mary) fled into the wilderness for 3.5 (times) where God has prepared a place for her and then wasnt seen after that but her seed was mentioned that the serpant was wroth with.
That seed are those who i believed got saved or reminant of the Church left behind.
To say all Christians will be raptured isnt biblical too. Story of the 10 virgins, 5 wise, 5 foolish dispells that notion.
Should be Hi Tom and Deb…dang ipad autocorrect
How do you change the avitar? Dont like mine as looking angry :-b.
Bradly, if it helps my wife was a past Mormon and renounced and remover her name from their book of life – so she was serious about following Jesus.
The verse that set her free was the 3rd from last verse of the Bible
Rev 22:19 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I would say Bradly is dig deeper into the Mormon teachings. They preach Jesus and Lucifer were brothers; we are becoming gods; baptize for the dead which ends up taking away man’s free will. Think of it, baptize for Hitler? Plus they deny the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today, but have ceased with the Apostles.
Hi Tom-the other one
The church (all true believers) are never referred to as “a man child.” She is always referred to as the “Bride of Christ” or a “chaste virgin.” Revelation 12 clearly identifies the “man child” for us in these words, “And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. (Revelation 12:5). This clearly proves that the “man child” is Jesus Christ. In fact “who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron” is a quote from Psalm 2 which, you must agree, is a Messianic Psalm. “Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.” (Psalm 2:8-9). I’m sure you will agree that this section of the Psalm refers to the literal thousand years reign of Jesus Christ on the earth when He is going to ascend his father, David’s throne to rule the nations. (Luke 1:30-33).
You are right in saying the woman in Revelation 12 is not Mary and neither is she the church. She is Israel. If the man child is Jesus Christ as we’ve seen from Psalm 2, then the church (Bride of Christ) cannot possibly be the woman because the Body of Christ (all the believers) could never have brought forth Christ Jesus, the man child. The church came forth from the man child and not the other way around. Indeed, Jesus Himself said “salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22). There are many other proofs that the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel which I can’t go into right now.
The five wise and five foolish virgins have nothing to do with the Rapture. At the Rapture the Bride of Christ is caught up to meet the Lord in the air so as to be with Him for evermore. Matthew 25 follows Matthew 24 chronologically which Jesus described as the Great Tribulation. The five wise and five foolish virgins refer to believing Jews (who had enough oil and will be prepared to meet their King Messiah at his Second Coming right at the end of the Tribulation) and unbelieving Jews (who did not have oil and therefore will not be prepared) respectively.
The Bride of Christ is one body and cannot be separated so that one part is raptured and another part is not. The entire Body of Christ (Bride of Christ) will be raptured. You cannot divide the Bride of Christ and have one part standing next to the Bride in heaven when their wedding is consummated and the rest still on earth being battered, persecuted and murdered on earth. Imagine Jesus saying to his Father, “Father, let us rejoice. Here is a part of my Bride. The rest are still on earth waiting to be raptured. I’m sorry but I could not rapture the entire Body of believers.”
http://www.yahweh.house/left-behind-secret-rapture/
Yeremyah,
The following was taken from the Berean Call with whom I agree.
You are using the same old argumenmts the anti Pre-Trib protagonists have been using along and they have been been proven to be false aggain and again.
Tom -the other one wrote:
Hi tom the other one
You can change your avatar by going to http://www.gravatar.com and adding the picture you want there and link it to your email address – the same address you used when you commented. Then this default picture will change to your picture.
anon
>> If people would read the bible they will see that the true Jews are in the land of captivity not in Israel.
where is this land of captivity? Africa? Ethiopia?
You kidding right?
Only one thing I found corrupt in this post.
You cited from Isaiah 14:12, and you stated “where Satan is called הֵילֵל heylel (hay-lale’) in hebrew meaning “the morning-star” (in the sense of brightness) and it’s root word means “to shine”. So as we can see Satan is seen as someone who gives light.”
First that verse does not include the word “heylel” don’t change the word of Christ. No need to say what the hebrew meaning is when the meaning is already there. You must be using the NIV version because it says “How you have fallen from heaven, MORNING STAR, son of the dawn! You have been
cast down to the earth,”
If you refer to both the NIV and the KJV. in Rev 22:16. “16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and MORNING STAR.”
What you just stated in Iseiah 14:12 from the NIV is the one that fell from Heaven was Jesus and not Lucifer. If you look in Isaiah 14:12 from within the KJV. It states “12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” TOTALY DIFFERENT.
Here Lucifer is defined clearly, and not mistaken with Jesus. There are many different version of bibles out there, why do you think that is, why would you ever need such a big variety. The devil has always tried corrupting the word of Christ, this is one example. I’m not disagreeing with most of what you said concerning Jonathan Cahn, just be careful and pray for you have also been deceived by the devil! Don’t concentrate so heavenly in disproving people, that Is not your job as a believer. Instead get your faith and salvation straight first, and place your efforts on saving others.
Thank you Jesus for being my way to salvation! wrote:
Like you, we also thank Jesus for our salvation which mneans that, like you, we already have our faith and salvation straight. Disproving people when they twist Scripture IS our job because we are commandeded to test all things and to warn others.
So, now you’ve learned something. Go and do it.
Thank you Jesus for being my way to salvation! wrpte:
The word הֵילֵל heylel (hay-lale’) is used in both the NIV and KJV for Lucifer. The word “shachar” means “Morning star” or “day star.” Who is wrong now and chanigng (corrupting) the Word of Christ?
[Deleted by DTW – stop spamming us with the same message over and over]
Thank you Jesus for being my way to salvation!
Isaiah 14:12 KJV
12 How art thou fallen H5307 from heaven H8064, O Lucifer H1966, son H1121 of the morning H7837 H3213! how art thou cut down H1438 to the ground H776, which didst weaken H2522 the nations H1471
H1966 (Mickelson’s Enhanced Strong’s Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries)
H1966 הֵילֵל heylel (hay-lale’) n-m.
1. the morning-star
[from H1984 (in the sense of brightness)]
KJV: lucifer.
Root(s): H1984
H1984 הָלַל halal (haw-lal’) v.
2. to shine
I would say that if you believe in the rapture when the Bible says “EVERY eye will see Him (when He returns)” and “The dead in Christ will rise FIRST”, then YOU are deceived and leading others astray. (If you have an open mind to the truth, then this comment will remain.)
Daniel was protected IN the Lion’s den, he was not raptured away from it.
Daniel’s friends were protected IN the furnace, they were not raptured away from it.
Jesus endured the cross and said “If they persecuted me, they WILL persecute you ALSO”. Why would God rapture us from trials and not His beloved Son from trials?
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Bart
Are you a Calvinist?
>> Daniel was protected IN the Lion’s den, he was not raptured away from it. Daniel’s friends were protected IN the furnace, they were not raptured away from it.
Becausseeeeee….that was not the rapture, The rapture is where God protects the whole worlds Christians from the HOUR OF TEMPTATION.
>> Why would God rapture us from trials and not His beloved Son from trials?
You kidding right? When you die will it be for the sins of the world? What belief do you follow because you sure don’t sound like a born again Christian??
>> Jesuits…
This nonsense is getting really old, like so last season, can’t you come up with something new?
Here is a question for you, you want God to protect you on earth during the tribulation, but you don’t want Him to take you way from earth before the tribulation starts? Or wait a second…don’t you want God to protect you during the tribulation? Am I missing something here?
Bart Sibrel,
You are deceived to think God is going to protect you in the tribulation. God Himself says:
So God is telling you pointblank that He is not going to protect you should you go through the tribulation. Antichrist is going to cut off your head. What kind of protection is that?
Messianic Jews are of a different order than Christians. Apostle Paul was a Israelite from the tribe of Benjamin, he was not a messianic Jew. Without the understanding of Jew and Gentile one will never understand the Bible. Gentile means “Nation” Gentiles mean “Nations”.
Abraham seed became many “Gentiles”, NO! they became many “Nations” Gen 17:5b, for a father of many “nations” have I made thee. H#1471. gowy, go’ee;— Hey someone got it backward here, the jews say that everyone else are Go’ee.
The understanding of Jew and Israel is the most critical part of the Bible, or else you will think that Jesus is or was a Jew.
Jesus was an Israelite from the tribes of Judah and Levi, both the King and Priest, tribes. Leviticus by His mother physical seed and Priestly by his step Father legal marriage to His mother.
On the other hand today’s Jews have no DNA back to ancient Israel. None whatsoever! They are traced back to the Khazar’s of the 7th century AD, but that’s the end of their lineage.
The jews that Jesus Christ opposed were of the Canaanites and Esau, which are not nor never were, Israelite’s
Christians following Jonathan Cahn is indeed a sad bunch..
HJ Ross wrote:
Rubbish! Was Jesus Christ lying when He said “. . . salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22)
You wrote:
The following comes from TBC (The Berean Call)
Your argument is old hat and becoming rather monotonous. It is sickening.
Hello I don’t post in these forums hardly ever. I’m more of a salvation guy verses theology. I must agree Jonathan Can and a host of other TV evangelist are pushing false doctrines. I’m not here to argue just share what I’ve uncovered since troubling times are upon us. I have done some research and agree secret societies (free masons, skull and bones, etc..)are behind all of what is occurring today spiritually. I was heart broken to find out Billy Graham was a 33rd degree mason. I grew up in a Baptist Church here in Md. It is my understanding that at that degree they Identify the Luciferan agenda. I’ve seen Binny Hinn and Joyce Meyers in person. I’ve watched John Hagee and thought man he is good. So I did a little test and viewed Jentezen Franklin on TV the other day and of course he was wanting money for something he was building and I must have counted 20+ free mason hand gestures. Then I think of Matt 7:13 the path is narrow and hard to follow and few will find it………THEN just recently I see Glenn Beck wearing a “seeing eye t-shirt” and come to find out he’s a member of skull and bones (The Bush’s favorite one) (Don’t believe me google it). There is so many sheep in wolves clothing. All TV pastors have sold there souls for money and fame. Like it says in Matt what is it to profit the whole world but to loose your soul. It seems like most of these guys are also Pre-tribers (rapture)and maybe there pushing that agenda so when there still here on earth and Satan appears as an angel of light, they will run to him ( I mean isn’t that the way Satan works through deception) that is when the great falling away will occur and because they listened to the TV preacher and didn’t study to show there self approved the will run to SATAN(the angel of light.
So I said all that to say this….I believe we are living in the end times. I must admit the rapture thing is a little confusing (salvation guy)My question is wouldn’t God want to remove his people before Satan does his thing, like with Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah AND then some say there is a Rapture but its after the tribulation, which means all Christian who don’t take the mark of the beast will suffer. Again I am not here to argue but to understand my Lord and Savior so I’m better prepared and I can give others accurate information………….Sorry no time to proof ready………..
GMan wrote:
If you are a salvation guy, as you say, then the Pre-Trib Rapture should be of the utmost importance to you because it concerns your ultimate salvation. There is a salvation from sin and eternal death and a salvation from the corruptible unto the incorruptible. The first relates to your conversion and the second to the Rapture when your corruptible body will be transformed into an incorruptible to meet the Lord in the air at the Rapture. That’s why the book of Hebrews says:
To the uttermost refers to your transformation from this corruptible body to an incorruptible one when Jesus returns for his Bride at the Rapture.
If the Rapture is after the tribulation, then very little saints will remain to be rraptured because Antichirst is going to kill (behead) most of them.
At any rate Jesus promised to take his Bride out of the world when God’s wrath falls on the entire world during the seven year tribulatiion.
Has anyone else noticed that in the video of Jonathan Cahn on the Glenn Beck show, as Glenn is walking past the couch, there is a cushion on it with a skull and crossbones wearing a royal crown? Then there is another cushion like it on Glenn’s chair. Creepy! Why would someone who supposedly wants to honor and serve Jesus Christ have cushions that portray death as “royàlty”? Jesus is King of kings and Lord of Lords, and He defeated death at Calgary!
Kathy B.
You made a very good onservation. I did not notice it. Thanks.
You’re welcome!
Johnathon Cahn is a Messianic Jew Rabbi, not a christian. Our Jesus is not His Messiah.
I thought the revolutionary message of Jesus Christ was ‘Love everyone”. I also thought that God was the judge, not Man and that it was His Church and not Man’s. I think I can pretty much identify from stuff like this who is lining up to cast the first stone. It was one of the Sanhedrin who said that there was nothing they could do if Jesus did prove to be the Messiah and boy, was he correct on that point.
Pete Howlett,
Indeed, Jesus loves everyone and that is why He warned us against false prophets like Jonathan Cahn. (Matthew 24:4; Galatians 1:8-9).
Indeed, God is the Supreme Judge but He also commanded us to judge all things. (1 Corinthians 2:15). If you don’t you are disobeying Him.
Indeed, it is His church but He commanded us to feed and tend to the lambs and the sheep. You seem to want to feed them poison instead of good and wholesome food. If you refrain from warning them against wolves in sheeps clothing, you don’t love Him. (John 21:16-17).
Indeed, Jesus is the Messiah but as He warned ther will me many false Messiah’s in the last days. Who are you following?
First, God confirms the words of His prophets. If people are truly of God, there words will be confirmed. In this case, I believe this to be no different. Jonathan Cahn gave 2 warnings. His first caution stated that September may come and be rather uneventful. (This has been largely true). The fire in California may be the beginning of desolations “determined” as a result of judgment on America, but for the most part it has been largely “uneventful.” His second caution is that something destructive does come and we should be prepared. The point I want to make here is that God does confirm the word of His prophets. The fact that September has been largely “uneventful” has fulfilled the first part of Jonathan’s cautions. But if Jonathan is a true prophet of God, the second caution is still to come (destruction). One last point I will say is this. The abominations of gay marriage in all 50 states, the white house in rainbow colors, and the idol in lights on the empire state building certainly seems to me that America (Babylon and the Queen of Nations referred to in Revelation) will not escape the “desolations” that are determined as explained in Daniel chapter 9. Regarding a comment about someone’s previous comment about Jonathan Kahn possibly being one of the 2 witnesses of revelation. I believe this could be true. God tests all His prophets before He uses them for greater works. Perhaps this is a time of testing for Him. I don’t believe that Jonathan contrived the Harbinger or the Shemitah of his own imagination, as God is a revealer of mysteries. One last point. It’s biblically wise to “not to believe every spirit, but to test the spirits whether they are of God.” But I encourage every one to do this. If you really have a personal relationship with Jesus, ask Him if Jonathan Cahn is His true prophet, and if the message and warning of the Harbinger and Shemitah is a word for America. Jesus is the Good Shephard and He will tell you. But know this, that even people of Jesus day were divided about whom Jesus was. Some said “He is a good man. Others said, ‘no’ he deceives the people.” (see John 7:12) Just food for thought.
I have know of this johnathan cahn and beth Israel for over 20 years and they have become more heretical since they moved to wayne nj location and they are very strange about being over security awareness when they were in garfield but now if you even try to talk to or approach johnathan cahn the has nazi like storm troopers for security that are ready to jump you if they think you are a threat the over security is insane and not needed. Johnathan cahn sits at a table signing books after service like he was a rock star figure people line up to meet him and buy his books it is very disgusting people believe every word that comes out of his mouth like he is a living prophet and dare you question him you are playing with judgement from God to doubt the words from god’s prophet
Thanks John for your comment.