Rebecca Brown – Don’t Bind Yourself in her Books

Rebecca Brown came to set the captives free

Rebecca Brown’s false teaching:  WARNING!

I contacted Rebecca Brown’s publishing company a few times asking for permission to quote from their book “He Came To Set The Captives Free”, but I received no reply. That is fine, I won’t quote I will never the less write about what she believes and give page numbers so that people can refer back to her book.

1) Shield of protection, shield of faith, and pleading the blood of Jesus:

Throughout the book Rebecca Brown tells you that you need to pray for protection by shielding yourself with a shield of protection (pg. 4). There is no such thing.   She also claims the shield of faith over other people (pg. 19).  This is not possible.  You see, part of the armour of God is the shield of faith.  You are to put on the whole armour of God, you don’t need to pray for individual pieces of armour to protect you and you can’t pray the armour of God over other people.  Putting on the armour of God is something you do personally with God’s help:  gird your waist with truth, put on breastplate of righteousness, shod your feet with preparation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, put on the shield of faith which quenches attacks from Satan, the helmet of salvation, by believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose again, and finally the sword of the spirit which is the Word of God.  You apply these pieces of armour daily, you arm yourself by obeying God’s commandments and in doing so guard yourself against any attack from Satan.

  • Ephesians 6:10-18  The Whole Armor of God   10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints-

She also pleads the blood of Jesus over herself and others and inanimate objects (pg. 17)  Please article see here about Pleading the Blood of Jesus Is it Right or Wrong?

2) Reveal diagnoses: (pgs. 12, 19)

God gave Rebecca Brown ‘discernment’ in deciding which patients were demonically afflicted or just plain sick. She uses the following verses to back up her beliefs.

  • Luke 10:9 “And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.”
  • Mark 16:17  “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;”

These verses are speaking to the Apostles, and the disciples of Jesus who had power to perform miracles.  Jesus Christ gave the Apostles their power to do great things as a sign to confirm that He rose from the dead.  Believers in Jesus Christ who went out and preached the gospel of Jesus Christ could perform miracles as well.  It was the ‘sign of an apostle’ to do signs and wonders.

  • 2 Corinthians 12:12:  “Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.”

God chose certain people to witnessed Jesus ascend into heaven, among these were the Apostles had the power to heal the sick, cast out demons, tread on serpents and scorpions and speak in tongues, etc.

  • Acts 10:40-43  “40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

Only Jesus who is God was capable of doing miracles and any who believed in Him had the power to perform miracles, once the bible had been written the ‘sign of the apostle’ ceased.  Today we seek Jesus Christ by faith and faith alone because He wants us to believe in Him through faith alone not by seeing miracles.

  • John 20:29  “Jesus said unto him, Thomas, because you have seen me, you have believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.” and
  • 1 Peter 1:8  “Whom having not seen, you love; in whom, though now you see him not, yet believing, you rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:”

Anyone who says they have power to heal, raise the dead, etc., are denying Jesus Christ’s power and replacing it with man-made power, i.e, satanic power.

If we need a miracle we pray directly to Jesus Christ for our healing, deliverance etc.

3) God’s lack of power:

Rebecca Brown’s ‘Lord’ reveled to her that the only way he could get a message through to her one night, was because of the prayer of other people.  (pg. 23) Apparently her god is not strong enough to get a message through to someone himself and needs mankind’s help.’

4) Satanic sales:

Elaine states in He Came to Set the Captives free, when you drink blood in a satanic ritual you immediately become possessed (this I could understand to be true if you are an unbeliever and you welcome the demonic to take hold of you) however the book implies that when this happens it appears you lose your free will to choose.  (pg. 25)  This is unbiblical.  See below section 12) Unbinding someone where I go into this in more detail.

5) Demonic manifestations:  (pgs. 39, 40, 43)

Elaine says that a demon manifested itself to her in physical form.  This is not the movies Rebecca Brown, demons can not take on a human physical form of their own.  They can possess human yes, and they can appear to you in a spiritual demonic form, but what Elaine is saying is that a demon appeared in a physical form (human form) with glowing eyes and you could touch the demons body as if it were human flesh and blood.  This is not true at all.   On (pg. 43) a demon appears before Elaine in a cloud of sulfuric smoke? Seriously? Sulfuric, not any other kind of smoke?  On (pg. 43) she says that as she grew in mastering magic she got to the point where she could see and talk to demonic entities without them having to take on their physical form.  I would have thought that would be the other way around?  First you communicate with the ones you can’t see and as you become more skilled in your witchcraft they presented themselves to you in physical form?  Oh what-everrrr, it is such a load of nonsense.

6) Martial arts training:  

Elaine says she was trained in Karate, Judo and Kung Fu.  The reason was to become a guard or assassin (pg. 42, 43).  Now I need to ask this question, why are they training in martial arts when they supposedly are highly trained in magical arts? And so evil and dangerous. Surely spells are far more efficient than an assassin with a ninja star? Hmm, makes you think does it not.

7) Spirit Bodies: chapter 14

In the book He came to set the captives free Rebecca Brown gives instructions telling us that we must put on the whole armour of God.  Now this is biblical, what makes theirs unbilbical is that they want you to literally clothe your ‘spirit body’ which according to Rebecca Brown is the same as your physical body.  She quotes:

  • 1 Corinthians 15:44 “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. “

But what does this verse really mean?  Here Paul is speaking about the resurrected body, not some strange spirit body that we are supposed to have. If you quote the whole of 1 Corinthians 15:44 in context you get the real answer.

  • I Corinthians 15:42-44  “42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Rebecca Brown in her unscriptural beliefs (Watchman Nee propagates this occult spirit body idea as well) goes on to say that this spirit body that we have has a mind and will of it’s own. She uses 1 Corinthians 1:44 to state that our spirits have a form/shape corresponding to our physical body.  She says that not many people know this, only satanists know.  One would think that if this was biblical it would be in the bible and most people would know about it.

Rebecca Brown tried to validate this teaching even more by quoting  2 Corinthians 12:2-4 and Revelation 4: 1-2 to show that when our spirit body is separated from you physical body, your spirit body can experience things that your physical body can’t feel.

  •  2 Corinthians 12:2-4  “2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.”
  • Revelation 4: 1-2  “1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”

If you read the scriptures Rebecca Brown quoted carefully, you will notice that she is using the scripture about Paul when he was raptured into heaven.  The verses state that while Paul’s soul or spirit may have or may not have left his body (read the above verse) Paul was clearly aware of what happened to him and what he saw.  Rebecca Brown says otherwise, she says your spirit body can act independently without the person even knowing.  What is even more shocking is that the spirit body can be used by Satan without the persons knowledge (pg. 177).  Once again Rebecca Brown alludes to the fact that we don’t have free-will.

When Paul stated the following:

  • 1 Corinthians 5:1-4  ” 1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,”

Paul was using a metaphor.  It’s not to be taken literally.  Have you never heard of people saying, “I am there with you in the spirit”, or “I won’t be there in body but I will be there in spirit”.  Paul was not astral projecting himself to the Corinthian church while on the other side of the world where his body stood.   This whole idea of a spirit body is demonic and totally unbibical.

In the book He came to set the captives free, Elaine says she received this new revelation about ‘the spirit body’ from an angel that visited her.  Elaine spent 2 hours conversing with this angel. (pg. 126)  Because we now know that the spirit body is not biblical and of the devil is it safe to say that the angel that visited Elaine was nothing but an demonic Angel of Light

  • 2 Corinthians 11:14  “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”

8) Standing in the Gap

Rebecca Brown states that one can ‘stand in the gap’ for other people, entire hospitals and cities for that matter (pg. 10).  She says you can ‘stand in the gap’ with your spirit body and get yourself spiritually beaten to a pulp while we take the blows intended for others.  It’s like you are being a ‘spiritual’ body guard for someone and the demons have to get past you first before they can get to the other person.  And to top things off you wont be able to make it to church because you will just be too sick to show up (pg. 178, 179).

But do note that you will rarely even notice that you are ‘standing in the gap’ according to Rebecca Brown because God has control over our spirit bodies (pg. 180).  In the spirit realm your spirit body will fight, like, imagine you are inside a computer game, you vs the monsters, and they will beat you up or throw stones at you as you battle on the ‘spiritual war fields’ of never never land on behalf of other people (pg. 187).  She says that this is what it means to bear another’s burdens.  Really?  What a load of nonsense.  What this sounds like to me is Rebecca Brown is trying to take on the job that Jesus Christ did for us on the cross.  He was wounded, bruised and beaten for us and He took our burdens on the cross.

  • Isaiah 53:5  “But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.”

When Paul told the Galatians to bear one another’s burden he was speaking about restoring a Christian brother who was at fault or backslidden.  Not jump into the spiritual world and take a demonic beating.

  • Galatians 6:1-2   “1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.  2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”
  • In Ezekiel 22:30-31 it says “30And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. 31Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD. “

This verse merely states that God was going to destroy the land because He could find no one to ‘stand in the grap’ for it, in other words, God could find no one to pray.  Rebecca Brown also tries to tell us that Moses stood in the gap for the Israel, but what Rebecca Brown fails to tell you is all Moses did was pray, this is what standing in the gap means, he did not head for a spiritual realm with his spirit body and get beaten up by demons on behalf of Israel.

Stand in the Gap
The CALL – Washington DC

Freemasons this includes Promise Keepers also represent ‘stand in the gap’ as a Masonic phallic tower / obelisk. Lou Engle a prominent Apostle within C. Peter Wagner’s New Apostolic reformation made an urgent call to the nation and gathered 400,000 of youth in Washington DC in 2000 around an Obelisk. He called his movement The Call.

He said, “God is looking for intercessors. That’s not just a fancy word to replace “prayer.” It is a high calling–some say the supreme vocation.There is a small piece of real estate that exists in between God and His rebellious creation, and it’s called “the gap.” You are called to stand there. You were made to stand there.”  [Emphasis added]  

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Biblically speaking no one can stand between between God and the sinner to prevent God’s anger and punishment to be metered out on the sinner. You can pray yes, but to think there is some realm of space where you can stand in the gap on behalf of someone is occult thinking. After the Israelite’s made a golden calf to worship it, Moses pleaded with God that if God would not forgive Israel’s sin he asked God to blot out his name fro the book of life, God replied and said no, he would not do that, he would remove the sinners name from the book instead.

  • Exodus 32:31-33   “3 1And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin–; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written” 33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

9) Angels and the covenant

An angel appears to Elaine;  this angel was rather vicious in that it came to kill Elaine.  The reason it wanted to kill her was because Elaine did not enter into some kind of covenant with God to protect her from future attacks from Satanists.  That’s a bit confusing is it not.  God offers you protection through a so called covenant, you refuse it, so God sends an Angel to kill you?  Makes perfect sense, not.  Elaine was apparently rebellious with God, that is why she did not want to enter this covenant.  She thought she could go it alone, fight off the Satanists with her own power. She didn’t need God’s help, oh no, never.  She was so sure of herself that in the book she states that she was ready to ‘punch’ the angel right out for coming to see her and try kill her.  Rebecca Brown interceded and asked God to give her the punishment meant for Elaine instead.  God apparently heard her prayer and His wrath was diverted to Rebecca Brown.  The angel  then left.

What is wrong with this account?  So much.  No where in the bible is there any scripture where God meters out His wrath on His children.  Secondly, no where does God take out His wrath on a child of God in place of someone else.  Thirdly no where in the bible does God ask you to make another covenant with him – When you become born again you are automatically covered by the New Covenant, washed by the Blood of Jesus.   Fourth, no where in the bible does God destroy or send an angel to kill His children because they did not listen to him.  This angel, if it ever existed and not a figment of Elaine and Rebecca’s imagination is Satan in disguise.

10) So many covenants…

In the book Prepare for War, Rebecca Brown states that when we get saved Jesus makes a covenant with each and every one of us, a special plan for each and every one of us she says (pg. 127).  She also states that she has entered into many different covenants with God, one in particular she was indecisive about because it required serious personal sacrifice and hardship. She believed that if she entered into this covenant and she broke the covenant by not being able to keep it she would lose her salvation (pg. 32).  This is unbiblical, there is one covenant. We do not all have separate covenants and we don’t enter into more than one covenant.  Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross ushered in a New Covenant that replaced the Old.  We have individual relationships with Jesus, through one covenant, the New Covenant.   We need to remember that whatever promises we make to God, if we fail to keep them we will be sinning.  Jesus warned us about taking oaths, pledges, promises, in fact God forbids it because He knows mankind is sinful and will not keep their promises.

  • Matthew 5:34-37  “34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”

If however Rebecca Brown ever did enter into a promise with God and she could not live up to the promise, Rebecca Brown would not lose her salvation, because God grace gives room for repentance of sin.  Rebecca Brown infers that breaking a covenant as an unpardonable sin.  Rebecca is placing a tremendous burden on the reader, that if they were to make a covenant with God and not keep it they would lose their salvation, this is unbiblical and of the devil.

11) No security

Rebecca Brown does not believe in Eternal Security, she says that God will give salvation to those who make it to the end and God makes no promises to give salvation and eternal life to those who don’t make it till the end. (pg. 191)  Rebecca’s theology here is very confusing, she views salvation and eternal life as two separate issues.  According to her, you get saved, then have to endure till the end to get eternal life.  This is not biblical.  Once you are truly born again you are sealed by the Holy Spirit and destined for Eternal life.  You can’t become unsaved because when the Holy Spirit enters you He stays permanently, making a deposit on your soul. Those who do not endure to the end are never truly saved to start off with.

See all articles on Eternal Security.

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12) Unbinding someone

Rebecca Brown has a very interesting view point on how people get saved.  She says that you need to rebuke and bind the demonic forces causing spiritual blindness in someone and once you have bound these demons, they flee and on then is the person able to accept the gospel (pg. 150).

No where in the bible does anyone do this, no where in the bible are we told to do this.  In fact if it were just demons holding people back from being saved and not their free-will to choose the world (Satan) or Jesus Christ, or the individuals wicked heart (Jeremiah 17:9) that prevents him/her from believing in Jesus Christ because he/she loves sin more.

Based on Rebecca Browns way of preaching, I think the disciples would have had a tremendous amount of success converting people to Jesus Christ.  They could have just stood on a hill and bound all the demons in everyone present and once the demons stopped binding the peoples mind, everyone would listen to the gospel of Jesus Christ being preached and all would get saved.  No problem, or should we say big problem.  This doctrine of Rebecca Browns is very similar to Calvinism in that she implies that you do not have free will, everyone is bound by evil (as they are totally depraved and need to be  monergistically given the free gift of faith by God so that they can hear the gospel and then make the right decision and come to Jesus.  No, this is wrong, we have free will to choose good over evil, having said that demons can as such oppress / afflict someone to influence their thinking, but for demons to keep a person from hearing the gospel and accepting Jesus is unbiblical.

Demon possessed Christians

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Rebecca Brown, Prepare for War (Chino, CA; Chick Publications, 1987) pg 27

Rebecca Brown states in Prepare for War that Christians can be demon possessed. (pg 29)  She sites the following verses to substantiate her claims:

  • 1 Corinthians 9: 27   “But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. “
  • Ecclesiastes 10:8.  “He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him.”

Neither of these verses remotely imply that a Christian can be demon possessed.  The first one is about Paul possibly failing and thinking that he should be cast away, the second is about Solomon not breaking the hedge where serpents lie.  This is a metaphor, warning that one should not enter carelessly where there is danger.  Rebecca Brown does not tell the truth when she quotes these two scriptures saying that they are about Christians being demon possessed.  She can’t find biblical poof for her point yet she continues to write about it and proclaim it to be true.

A Christian can’t be demon ‘possessed’ in the same sense that and unbeliever can be demon possessed.  A Christian can still be demonically oppressed / afflicted after they are born again and be in need of deliverance.

Rebecca believes also that Christians need regular deliverance in order to remove ongoing affliction in their lives.  When a Christian sins, this opens the door for affliction, all one has to do is ask Jesus Christ wholeheartedly for forgiveness and obey God’s commandments and not sin again.  When you do not listen to the Holy Spirit’s warning in your life and you go directly against God’s commandments you move away from Jesus Christ, your relationship becomes weaker.  Sin drives a wedge between you and Jesus Christ. Forgiveness brings you back to God through Jesus Christ His only Son.  Any demonic affliction a Christian lands up with because of habitual sin, is easily removed through prayer to Jesus Christ and asking Him to remove all demonic affliction from you.

13) The fruit

Rebecca Brown’s main area is the so called deliverance ministry of thousands upon thousands of Satanists. She pushes across the idea that because she delivers people from the clutches of Satan that her ministry must be producing good fruit, and therefor it is Godly.  However in the bible there is good fruit and there is bad fruit.  Bad fruit looks good on the outside but inside it’s rotten.  Jehovah’s witnesses, Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists also deliver people out of the occult, help people get off drugs and alcohol and then direct them directly into the false teaching of their churches.  The false teachers and their ministries are good at doing just that, they provide a service of so called good fruit and capture the individual into the teachings of their ministry and grab hold of their souls leading them strait in the direction of hell.

Rebecca might be very sincere in her endeavors but she is sincerely wrong.  And that has been proven through her false teaching in her book.  

  • 1 Corinthians 4:6  says that you are “not to go beyond what is written,”

Rebecca Brown does this over and over, and that is the mark of a false teacher.

  • 1 Corinthians 4:6  “And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.”

14) Rebecca Brown in South Africa

I heard some very horrifying news yesterday that Rebecca Brown is in South Africa. Right at this very moment at the Cornwall Hill College, Irene, Centurion.  She was invited by Yvonne Kruger from Prophetic End Time Ministry / 24-28 March 2010.

Rebecca Brown - SA Conference 2010

Facts about Rebecca Brown and Daniel Yoder:

Rebecca Brown
  1. Real name: Ruth Bailey.
  2. Lived in small town Indiana.
  3. She was a medical doctor who had her license revoked in 1984 due to serious malpractice.
  4. That means she uses the title of Dr. to mislead people only.
  5. The licensing board ruled that on numerous occasions she had “knowingly and intentionally misdiagnosed her patients”, blaming their illnesses on “demons, devils, and evil spirits.”  Also prescribing illegal dosages of drugs to her patients.
  6. She befriended a woman by the name of Elaine (Edna Elaine Moses) who claimed to be the bride of Satan.
  7. Elaine was so influential in her satanic bride status, that she alone used to negotiate all weapons sales to heads of state around the world.  
  8. Rebecca Brown helped Elaine escape from the cult called ‘The Brotherhood’.
  9. Rebecca Brown and Elaine slept in the same bed since the day the met – to cover up a lesbian relationship Rebecca Brown ‘adopted’ middle-aged Elaine so as to take on Rebecca’s surname.
  10. Elaine admitted by her own mouth that she is a murderess before and after the fact. She admits to ordering twenty murders, and admits to ordering the murder of a man but her plans were foiled when the police found him unconscious at a Satanic meeting.  There was never police investigation.
  11. She and Elaine delivered over 1000 hard-core satanists from satanism in the short time of 2 years – in her small town, only.
  12. Rebecca Brown said that in entereting the spirit world; “I saw Jesus get up from His throne and He came down to minister to demons who were being tormented by angels because He felt sorry for them.”  Does that mean that Jesus Christ’s death on the cross was for fallen angel as well? Perish the thought.
  13. She made a covenant with God that included the condition that she would eventually lay her life down for God in that small town in Indiana.  That was in the 1980’s.  
  14. She then met Daniel Michael Yoder from Phoenix, Arizona.  They were married on the 10th December 1989.
  15. Rebecca Brown writes in her book Unbroken Curses that Daniel Yoder was born into “a very wealthy Jewish family of international bankers”.
  16. When he was 6 years old he was sent by his parents to a boarding school in Switzerland.  There he endured child abuse and satanic torture, by Cabalist Rabbi’s who once locked him in a tiny chamber and poured spiders over him.
  17. He remained at this school until the age of 19. 
  18. Rebecca Brown tells in her book that Daniel Yoder inherited the fortunes of the family business and,
  19. He was forced at the age of 30 to marry a woman by the name of Kai who later found ‘Jesus’.
  20. She was captured by Daniel’s family and forced to deny Christ otherwise they would kill her.
  21. Then they were both abducted, flown to Israel where Daniel Yoder was chained to a wall and forced to watch his beloved Kai tortured to death.
  22. Daniel Yoder miraculously escaped to the USA, hid in a mountain cabin and read Kai’s bible (he must have gone back to Switzerland to fetch it) for a year and found ‘Jesus’ too.
  23. Rebecca Brown then met Daniel Yoder, married on the December 10, 1989 and moved to Iowa.
  24. In Iowa, Daniel Yoder passed himself off as a Neurosurgeon.
  25. They later moved and Daniel Yoder associated himself with the Wells of Living Grace Church.
  26. Daniel Yoder had 2 other names by which he went by (with different social security numbers and dates of birth):
    1. William Joseph Stewart
    2. Tony Michael Griffin
  27. Daniel Yoder was arrested 29 July 1991, charged with:
    1. Falsifying motor vehicle registrations,
    2. Falsifying driver’s licenses, and
    3. Falsifying Social Security records – taking on the name of a deceased man for himself. 
  28. 2 months later he was indicted on two counts of perjury.
    1. He lied about time served in Minnesota and Missouri and
    2. He lied being admitted to receiving “psychological evaluations, counselling, or hospitalisations.”
  29. During court trials is was established that he had only completed 7 years of schooling.
  30. Daniel Yoder was fined by the court.  He complied.
  31. New evidence has arisen from a video (see below) by Rebecca Brown where she states that her husband Daniel Yoder was “a 1 star General in the United States Air-force for 30 years.”  This is not true.  See above for Daniel Yoder’s criminal history.
  1. Rebecca Brown and Daniel Yoder left Iowa where Brown resumed writing her demonic books.
  2. They both currently lead a Christian group called Harvest Warriors.
  3. Rebecca Brown has been widely recognised as a fraud, and her books a hoax.
  4. Rebecca Brown’s books are nothing but demonic horror stories fabricated by a twisted mind.

MAJOR INVESTIGATION BEGINS

Another detail Rebecca fails to mention is allegations that she abused Elaine. Documents show that she indeed did abuse Elaine. On Oct. 17, 1983, officer Samuel E. Hanna of the Madison County [Indiana] Police received a phone call from a social worker at St. Vincent’s Hospital in Indianapolis. The reason for the call: A woman had been admitted into the hospital whose entire body was covered with lesions. She was incoherent, had received an overdose of drugs and was near death. The patient’s name was Edna Elaine Moses. A preliminary investigation found the prime suspect to be Dr. Ruth Bailey (Rebecca). (68) Officer Hanna, a born-again Christian, was the party responsible for spear heading the major investigation of Rebecca. Several months of investigative work followed which involved the Attorney General’s office, the Federal Drug Enforcement Administration, St. John’s Hospital, the Indiana Medical Licensing Board and others.

Based on the investigation, the Indiana Medical Licensing Board issued an “Emergency Suspension” of Rebecca’s license, which barred her from practicing medicine in Indiana for 90 days.” (69)

More investigation followed, additional affidavits were taken and a “Request For Admissions” by Rebecca was secured. Among other findings, the exploration revealed that Rebecca, in less than six months’ time had issued to four different pharmacies a total of more than 100 prescriptions for Demerol, which authorized purchase of 330 vials of the highly addictive, painkilling drugs. (70)

Following that discovery, the licensing board issued an order filed May 22, 1984, extending Rebecca’s suspension for 90 more days. The order further stated, “That Respondent [Rebecca] continues to represent a clear and immediate danger to the public health and safety if she is allowed to continue to practice medicine, and that the reasons enumerated for the prior order of suspension in this matter have not changed.” (emphasis added) The order further called for Rebecca to “submit to a complete physical and mental examination at the board’s expense.”

By this time, Rebecca had fled Lapel. A copy of the board’s order had to be forwarded to her by certified mail to a post office box in Niles, Mich., where she signed for it on May 29, 1984. The investigation continued and resulted in a hearing in September 1984. The Sept. 21, 1984, edition of the Indianapolis News reported that “She [Rebecca] did not attend the six-hour hearing of her case yesterday, and by law her failure to appear meant the state had proven her guilty by default.” The paper further reported that 19 witnesses gave testimony during the hearing, several of whom “declined to reveal their current addresses, saying they feared retaliation from Dr. Bailey. The physician carries a handgun and has threatened to harm people she claims are possessed, they said.”

The newspaper article went on to report that “Several witnesses said that they saw Dr. Bailey [Rebecca] inject herself, Mrs. Moses [Elaine] and Mrs. Moses’ teen-age daughter with Demerol and morphine. Great quantities of drugs were kept on hand, and the Bailey home was littered with used needles and syringes, witnesses said.” Further, a former live-in housekeeper for Dr. Bailey testified that “the home was ‘filthy’ when she and her daughter moved in. ‘I hauled out 18 bags of trash,’ she said. In the room where Dr. Bailey and Mrs. Moses shared a bed, there were overflowing ashtrays, plates of leftover food and animal feces, she testified. The house was full of demonology books.”  [Emphasis added]

http://www.watchthetower.net/brown2.html 

A letter by Pastor Charles C. Younts of the Calvary Baptist Missions:

Dear Mr. Daniels:

Having read your letter to Pastor Worley, I felt led of the Lord to respond to it, as least in part. I’m also sending copies of this letter to Rebecca Brown, Jack Chick, Pastor Worley and others I feel might be interested.

Some random comments and questions that do require thought and/or answers:

1. In order to avoid confusion, I will refer to the alleged former witch as Edna. She has gone by Edna Moses, Edna Bailey, Edna Gnost, Elaine Moses…why all of the aliases, I do not know. It could not be from supposedly hiding from former associates in the craft because she is exceptionally easy to track and find, no matter where she is. I refer to Ruth Bailey (alias Rebecca Brown) as just Ruth.

2. Why does Ruth keep the title of Doctor when she was barred from medicine in Indiana? (for prescription boosting) She has not applied in any state to be reinstated. It is a fake title and misleading, and it has been only used by her to establish credibility.

3. To avoid the appearance of evil, why did Edna assume Ruth’s last name? The explanation by Ruth was that she was going to adopt Edna. This is so preposterous and ludicrous…that anyone would make such a comment. Middle age adopts middle age? Why do they sleep in the same bed and have done so almost since they first met? In most of the places they live, there is adequate bedroom space for separate bedrooms or at least separate beds.

Homosexual marriages are not uncommon and it is not uncommon for homosexual lovers to assume the last name of their partner. Add this to sleeping together and the appearance of evil is given. I would say it’s an unhealthy practice for an individual in the ministry of Jesus Christ.

4. The very idea that because an individual ministers for Jesus Christ, he is “of Christ” is anti-Biblical. We know Satan’s messengers come on as “angels of light.” Don’t forget Judas ate with and ministered with all the others for years, and they were totally taken by them. He healed, cast out demons, pointed sinners to Jesus Christ, etc. Yet, we’re told he was of his father, the Devil. Just because someone has won souls to Jesus Christ, such as Marjoe Gortnor, they are not necessarily of Christ.

5. One can only be judged on what they say and do by a singular standard–the only one on earth to tell the truth from the lie is the Bible. The Holy Spirit who inspired it will never go against it. Many of the statements of the two women are so far removed from the Biblethat they must be looked at with great suspicion.

6. Why do neither of the women attend a fundamental church?

7. Having spoken with Edna personally, she told me, and I have it on tape, “I was crazy for believing the New Testament.”

8. Edna also admitted on the same tape that Ruth lost her license to practice medicine in Indiana for writing illegal prescriptions.

9. Ruth states on tape that the one thing that is absolutely necessary in the ministry to witches is to get them out of the spiritual world-where they can see things ordinary humans cannot. If so, why does she herself enter into this world frequently? Furthermore, what she “sees” is diametrically opposed to the Word of God. She made the following statement in the presence of witnesses:

“I saw Jesus get up from His throne and He came down to minister to demons (that’s blasphemous) who were being tormented by angels (since when?) because He felt sorry for them.”

Obviously, anyone making that statement does not know the Bible, is having delusions, or is trying to impress someone.

Just for the things I’ve stated at this point, alone, I would not believe anything these women have to say, but there’s much more—found in the tapes they put out, and that piece of garbage they call a book.

The two women made three sets of tapes before they put one of the sets on the market. The first set contradicts the second; and the second contradicts the third and the first; and the third set contradicts much of the first and second sets. I’ll not go deeply into it at this time. The market tape is full of the questionable, the impossible, and that which cannot be substantiated. Most pastors I know who have listened to the two tapes—men in the ministries for several years—can survive only one half hour before turning them off.

Most have labeled these women as bogus, still in the occult, trying to infiltrate a solid fundamental organization and ruin it or simply two adventuresome women trying to make a name for themselves. And still others think it’s done for notoriety or even possibly they’re mentally ill. Their credibility could be greatly added to if they would answer a multitude of questions. Instead, they give stupid reasons why they can’t and also state that God told them not to answer.

Let’s just start with the tapes. Edna labeled herself by her own mouth to be a murderess before and after the fact. She admits to ordering twenty murders, then admits to ordering the attempted murder of a man whose name must be known as he was admitted to the Indiana hospital when the police found him unconscious at a Satanic meeting. Ruth says she didn’t know what had happened to him because the police let go the only person who survived a ritualistic murder—-the worst case Ruth had seen in her time at the emergency room of a person being semi-butchered. I can tell you a cop or an attorney would have a field day with that. Murder, by the way, has no statute of limitations, and there was no police investigation.

Let’s look at Edna a moment if we dare. Have you ever noticed—when the questions start to get tight, she says, “Father told me not to say anything.” “Father?” Which Father? He’s never referred to in such a way by anyone in the Bible. He’s referred to as “the Father,” “My Father,” “Our Father,” and “Heavenly Father.” The singular word “Father” sounds like a familiar spirit.

Here is a witch, Edna, who has met governors, congressmen, chiefs of police across the United States who engage in witchcraft. She’s not referring to seances, tara cards, but to baby killing, derelict murders, narcotics killings, sex orgies with both men and women. Now, it is her responsibility to point out, name, and expose these sources of evil, but we find now that God the Father goes against His Own Word and says not to expose anyone. Edna is supposedly involved in international “gun-running.”

How does Edna, the bride of Satan, top witch in the United States (maybe even in the whole world) manages to get out of most of the killing rituals? The tapes and the book could be taken apart piece by piece and refuted by the Bible, not to mention wisdom and plain common sense.

Just what I have stated up to this point alone would be sufficient reason not to take these women seriously. The finest Federal Investigative agencies are not interested about anything these women say. The DIA on the narcotics; the BATF on weapons; the FBI on interstate murders; the CIA on international covert deals, have no interest uniquely when these things are openly declared. If, for example, I would have said on a national tape that I’ve sold narcotics, international arms, murdered and knew people involved, every investigator in the United States would immediately run a background check on me before coming to me to elaborate on these points. If they discover within their investigation, I was a “loonie tune,” they would proceed no further. If they believe there was an iota of truth, I’d be answering questions of lots of people.

Let the Lord be the judge! I’ve been able to meet both of the women. I’ve seen where they live and where they have lived. I’ve read material regarding their past. I even read the tract that the two put out regarding the girl in a church in witchcraft: how Edna spotted her, and how Edna forgot to tell the girl (after repenting) the Biblical way to get saved.

The young in Christ, the uninitiated, those intrigued by the spectacular, and those who believe in the “bump in the night” evil, find the two women interesting. Most pastors never invite them back a second time. Needless to say, much more is to be said, as a great deal of time has been spent by many looking into the backgrounds as well as the story they put out. The tapes and the book speak for themselves.

It’s my understanding that an attorney for the two has been brought into the picture. I was so ordered by what I believe to be a Christian attorney in Los Angeles supposedly representing the two women, to cease and desist in any comments regarding them. My reply to the attorney was lengthy and strong and I stated I’d be more than happy to go to court on the matter. Interesting questions would be brought up and I’d love to hear the answers.

It is my hope that a law suit is coming up for me or to another laboring in the Lord. As an appeal to Caesar would bring out the truth and all foolishness would be put to an end in quick order.

Sincerely in Christ
Charles C. Younts

Source:http://www.scrollpublishing.com/store/article-rebeccabrown.html


Right, there is no rocket science involved here people.  Her medical and personal track record speaks for itself.  She does not expose satanism, she promotes it.   Her books are filled to the brim with horror and gore from one satanic ritual after another.  Her books appeal to the minds of those who seek horror stories instead of Jesus Christ.

If you have been to see this woman in Centurion, I pray you ask Jesus to forgive you for going to see this woman.  Tell Jesus you are sorry for even thinking this woman is a Christian and ask Him to show you now and going forward the lies and deception disguised under the name of Rebecca Brown Yoder (and there are many others like her out there, she is not the only one; Mary K Baxter is another).   Throw away anything you brought back with you and ask Jesus to remove anything that most likely tried to attach itself to you.

If you are seeking deliverance in your life, here is what you do.  And I am not even charging you R50 – this is free, glorious free gospel of Salvation.

If you are EARNESTLY seeking Jesus Christ and deliverance then:

  1. Start obeying God and start repenting of the sin in your life.
  2. If you want Satan out of your life, then show Jesus that you are willing to come before Him in earnest and ask forgiveness for your sinful life. Go into the privacy of your own room and pray.  Make a list of your sins and name them one by one if you have too and show Jesus Christ how sincere you are.  When the Holy Spirit convicts you on certain issues in your life, listen!   People it’s all about repentance.

Do you want to be saved?  Only Jesus Christ can do that!  I can tell you what to say to help you, but it is what is in your heart that counts.  Are you looking for a quick fix to your current unhappy situation or are you sincerely seeking Jesus Christ the Son of God for a permanent 2 sided relationship.  Diligently seeking Him now means you will still want to be diligently seeking Him in 20 years time…until the day you die.

DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM

Hebrews 11:6   Without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.”

Please go here for help:  Salvation and Deliverance

For much more info on the infamous Rebecca Brown, please see the following websites:

THE CURSE OF CURSE THEOLOGY
The Return of Rebecca Brown, M.D.
by G. Richard Fisher and M. Kurt Goedelman 

www.watchthetower.net/curse.html

THE BIZARRE CASE OF DR. REBECCA BROWN
By John Baskette
Copyright March 1994 by John Baskette

http://answers.org/satan/brown.html

A Letter from Peter Hoover to a Friend about Rebecca Brown http://www.scrollpublishing.com/store/article-rebeccabrown.html


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Shal

I want to congratulate anurag pulivarti, Goghy and all the persons here who understands Bible by Revelation and no intellectually , Corinthians 2.9 said that God will teach us mysteries If we really love him, Rebecca Brown IS A PERSON WHO IS COMPLETELY DEVOTED TO THE SAKE OF CHRIST and to preach gospel she has already won more than 7000 satanist souls, she is also a warrior of God some people today thinks that Gospel is all about go to church and read Bible histories and God will do all for us… Gospel is Warfare, it is about death or live…

Shal

(Am sorry for the insult, but am very Zealous of the truth and if I have the opportunity I won’t let any one speaks nonsense or even more heretics speeches and blaspheme against The Holy Spirit) Jews in the old Covenant, Christians in the new one, if we have accepted Christ in our hearts we are sons of God I know that God doesn’t make the difference(since Jesus coming) what I am trying to say is that God’s justice sometimes looks strange for us but He is perfect and you cannot criticize the ways He threats with us, haven,t you read Exodus 4:24-26 Why God wanted to kill Moses,? Moses was the choosen one!! Or also you can see on 1 Chronicles 21:16 an Angel of God killed 70000 innocent people of Israel instead of just punish king David for the census… If you tell me oooh that’s the old covenant ok let’s go to God’s sons histories in the new one. 1 Corinthians 5:5 shows us that God can not only kill himself but even hand over to Satan (that is worse because Satan have no mercy) a son who is sinning if you you still don.t believe you can appreciate What the Holly Spirit do to liars Acts 5:1-11 Ananias and Sapphira were both sons of God born again by the New Covenant like you say. If you tell me that God doesn’t threat Christians born again like Israel in the past you are saying that God have preferences(Do you think you gentiles are better than us? don’t make me laugh) and that he can change his law when he wants, or that is not the same God, God have one law for everyone for any time, past present or future, God doesn’t change (Hebrews 13:8) so the angel in Rebecca history was in all his right to kill Elaine because she was obstinate to use Satan powers even after come to Jesus foot, that is treason! I gave examples in the Bible that are more strange than this one. You can tell me oh but now we are on the time of grace The blood of Jesus cover us when we sin… AND REPENT , that’s truth but no if we deliberately disobey or rebel against The Lord himself directly like Elaine was doing without repentance like Ananias and Sapphira, while you are in the open gate of sin God have the right to do whatever to you if you deserve it and also Satan has the right to enter in your live and make you suffer … until you repent, and even after you can’t erase the consequences of your sin ( David repent and the angel stopped killing Israel but they were 70000 death consequences of David sin)

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Shal wrote,

Rebecca Brown IS A PERSON WHO IS COMPLETELY DEVOTED TO THE SAKE OF CHRIST and to preach gospel she has already won more than 7000 satanist souls,

And yet you agree it is wrong to take a census of people or to count them, especially when you rely on your own strength or to brag about your own achievements. God gives his honour to no-one.

Or also you can see on 1 Chronicles 21:16 an Angel of God killed 70000 innocent people of Israel instead of just punish king David for the census…

How do you know she won 7000 satanist souls? Did you count them or did she? It reeks too much like she got it from 1 Kings 19:18.

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Shal wrote,

(Am sorry for the insult, but am very Zealous of the truth and if I have the opportunity I won’t let any one speaks nonsense or even more heretics speeches and blaspheme against The Holy Spirit)

Well, then you should start to indict and judge yourself very severely because Jesus never said He will kill the members of his Bride.

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. (John 10:10)

Can’t you at least see the difference between Satan and Jesus? Satan is the killer, not Jesus. You are the one who is blaspheming. What are you going to do about it – continue to blaspheme?

Yes, Ananias and Sapphira lied to God. Have you never told a lie? If so, why are you still alive and writing these silly comments? I really think you should stop blaspheming Jesus.

Davids

Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

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>> It appeared as a dark figure, in human form, and rose from the floor of my bedroom.
I totally understand what you are saying, however, it was not physical it was in another dimension (space and time) that you saw this being enter our dimension. It does not have flesh and blood like us. You touched something, absolutely, but it was not a physical being like you and me.

In the book Elaine speaks about a covern mass that would take place through the country at the roughly the same time. She said that because Satan is not omnpresent he could not appear at all the covern masses at the same time, so each mass had to take place at slightly different times so he could show up in person at each one. She said he would walk onto the stage as if he was an actual person of flesh and blood. She said Satan appeared in human form dressed in white, they had a gold throne for him to sit on. (pg. 72, 73) She again states in another part of the book that she was alone at home one day and four demons appeared in a physical form, their bodies had black scales on them (pg. 75)
The bible says Ephesians 6:12 “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

Davids

you underestimate demons powers, they don’t have bodies but they can transform no-substance into substance, I am not able to say how I know this.
<> Also you are confused about entities… let me give you a light:

First of all you are confusing demons and fallen angels they are not the same creatures
Second, you have to know that Satan is not a demon he is an angel, fallen but still an angel
three, angels powers are great than demons powers even if it is the possibility that a demon cannot change appearance, an angel can do it: the Bible said that the devil can turn into an angel of light even so do you think it is so hard to him to appear like Rebbecca said

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Davids

I really think you should stop reading Rebecca Brown’s books because you have no clue what you are talking about.

You say Satan is not a demon. He is an angel, albeit a fallen one. Wow, you seem to know more than Jesus Himself. In Matthew 4 where Jesus is led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by Satan, he is called the devil (not an angel). When the prefixed article is used, the word “diabolos” is used and refers to Satan the accuser or opponent. Oddly enough you admit that Satan is “the devil” when you said, “the devil can turn into and angel of light . . . .”

Incidentally, the words “fallen angels” do not appear in the Bible (KJV) – not once. The spiritual entities who had been in heaven with Lucifer before they fell into sin are not called fallen angels but devils (“daemons, “demons,” “evil spirits”). The word angel (angels) appear 99 times in the New Testament and not once do they refer to devils or demons. They are all holy angels sent as messengers of God. The word “angel” is also used of pastors because they too proclaim a message and are therefore messengers. Had demons (fallen angels as we call them) been angels (“angelos”) then we should either define them as holy/benevolent angels or pastors sent by God.

The devil’s ability to change himself into an angel of light does not mean that he literally changes himself into an an angel (“angelos”). It simply means that he is able to take on the moral disposition of an holy angel and present himself as a truth-bearer or light-bearer (a messenger of the truth).

Nowhere in the entire Bible do we see that the devils or even Satan can change themselves from non-substance to substance (some kind of human form). In fact, as I wrote in one of my previous comments,

If you can show me one single verse in the Bible where it says that fallen angels appeared in human form, I may reconsider my stance on the Nephilim. There is not a single instance in the Bible where fallen angels appeared in human form or manipulated matter in ways far beyond our technological abilities. In fact, the Bible clearly stipulates that fallen angels need to inhabit a human body and not take on the form of a human body to function in human form. Here’s the proof.

“When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. “Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.” (Matthew 12:43-45).

If a demon could simply materialize in some kind of human form, then it wouldn’t be constantly looking for some human form which to inhabit. This is a further indication that demons cannot appear at will in some human-like form. When the demons were cast out of the men at Gadera, they did not wish to be bodiless – they would rather enter into the bodies of pigs. If they had the ability to manipulate matter and appear in human form, they would have done so.

And he besought Him much that He would not send them away out of the country. Now there was there on the mountain side a great herd of swine feeding. And they besought Him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. (Mark 5:10-12).

Only holy angels appeared in human form to people on the earth.

The fact that you call the devil an angel proper, proves that you are heavily deceived.

Son of Light

In the Bible, this is strongly hinted at rather than directly stated. Here is the evidence:

In Job 1:6 we learn that Satan was in heaven with other angels.

One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

That Satan is (was) in heaven is also seen in Zechariah 3:1-2, Luke 10:18 and Revelation 12:9. Revelation 12:9 gives a further clue to Satan’s identity:

The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

This thought is also stated by Jesus in Matthew 25:41:

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

That he has his own angels, is a further clue to him being a (former) angel. (And incidentally, Isaiah 14:12-15 is often used to show why Satan fell, because he wanted to ascend to God’s throne)

so, we know that Satan lives / has lived in heaven, with other angels (some of which are his own), that he was (or will be) cast out of heaven. From this we infer that he is a “fallen angel”.

Update: In my answer above I assembled evidence for Satan being an angel, Which leads me to consider proof by exhaustion: if Satan was not an angel, what could he be? I know of only three types of sentient beings in the Bible: God, man and angels. He’s clearly not God, nor man. That only leaves one other option.

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Son of Light

There is only one place in Scripture where Satan is called an angel and that is in Revelation 9:11.

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. (Rev 9:11)

Here the word “angel” alludes to 2 Corinthians 11:14 where we are told that Satan is quite capable of taking on the appearance of an angel of light. He presents himself as an angel of light – not physically but morally in the form of false doctrines that seem to be true but are lies. Revelation 9:11 actually says, Although Satan is sometimes portrayed as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14) he and his demons (evil spirits) are actually not angels but destroyers of people. You may think he is an angel because he is so good in presenting himself to you as an angel, but he is actually a destroyer. They never bring messages of good-will, good news, to people as the genuine angels of God do, but are bent on destroying people. So Revelation says to those who believe Satan is still an angel that they are wrong because Satan and his evil spirits are the very opposite to angels who are messengers off good news and good-will – they are destroyers (Abaddon, Apollyon). They appear to be messengers of good news but their “good news” are actually lies bent on destroying you.

You refer to Revelation 12:9 in an effort to prove that Satan is an angel. I find it odd that you should call a “dragon,” “serpent” and a “devil” an angel. Incidentally, Satan was not an angel before his fall. He was a cherub, “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.” (Eze 28:14). In the hierarchy of spiritual beings in heaven, he was on a higher level – if you will – than the angels. However, he is no longer a cherub but THE DEVIL. In none of his names since his fall is he ever called an angel, accept in Revelation 9:11 which I already explained. The 9:11 is quite interesting, isn’t it? The evil spirits in Revelation 12:9 are called “his angels” in the sense that they all do his bidding. They are messengers and conveyors of the destroyer (Abaddon, Apollyon). The emphatic “his” in “his angels” qualifies what they really are. They are no no longer God’s angels but Satan’s angels and him being the devil makes “his angels” devils, demons or evil spirits as well.

Who says the sons of God in Job 1:6 were angels?

Mez

If i wasn’t sure before, I’m sure now, Rebecca Brown is directed of God! Your resistance & attempt to expose her so called ‘false teachings’ with weak & flawed points did not sit well in my spirit. You misinterpret the word of God & rather then build courage you provoked doubt & confusion.

I for one was encouraged after reading the book because i was enlightened with information,Bible says ‘without knowledge my people perish’ i now see the battle being waged, i was shown the reality of the spiritual realm and what we were really battling. I mean lets face it the greatest trick the devil has played & continued to play was to convince people he didn’t exists, so then we would be clueless as where our issues stem from or how to be freed from it. Unlike before i will go into battle (prayer) shooting my arrows and directing my spiritual weapons at specific targets rather then shoot blindly as i was doing before. I can now be more specific with my prayers, recognizing exactly which demonic spirit to rebuke whereas before i used to just pray vaguely & left unsure of what i was addressing. This book & ministry has been a blessing to me. Jesus came to set the captives free!

THIS SITE IS QUESTIONABLE. TO THOSE SPIRITUALLY ATTENTIVE I PRAY YOU DISCERN AS THE HOLY SPIRIT DIRECTS YOU.

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Mez,

What you are saying is that the Bible is not sufficient to warn us about the wiles of the devil and that you need to read the books written by Rebecca Brown to enlighten you? You must be kidding.

Mizil

I have taken a careful study at your site and the valuable comments that are being made here. I have realized that this is argument and not discussion. Discussion should lead to the truth, arguments leads to insults and vile comments since each sides will defend their arguments.

There is one thing that i will comment on about Deborah take that Demonds and fallen angels are the same. They are not the same. The bible says that ‘the gifts of God are without repentance.So the Angels that fell hasn’t Changed in any form. Holy Angels appeared to Abraham, Angel Gabriel Appeared to Mary in a Human form(body) But the bible says God made his Angels ministrying spirits. sent for to minister to those that shall be heirs of salvation. With this point made, the fallen Angels who didn’t keep their original estate according to the bible can take on human form.

This is my prove. Genesis 6:1-4. Please let me know what you will say about that. wether the ‘sons of God’ were Holy Angels or the fallen Angels(Devils or Demons are you may say).

And please to all respected ministers of God here who love Christ Jesus and seek the truth. Look for the BOOK OF ENOCK AND READ. You will actually know the names of those fallen angels and what actually happen in Genesis 6;14. God bless us all.

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Mizil wrote,

There is one thing that i will comment on about Deborah take that Demonds and fallen angels are the same. They are not the same. The bible says that ‘the gifts of God are without repentance.So the Angels that fell hasn’t Changed in any form. Holy Angels appeared to Abraham, Angel Gabriel Appeared to Mary in a Human form(body) But the bible says God made his Angels ministrying spirits. sent for to minister to those that shall be heirs of salvation. With this point made, the fallen Angels who didn’t keep their original estate according to the bible can take on human form.

This is my prove. Genesis 6:1-4. Please let me know what you will say about that. whether the ‘sons of God’ were Holy Angels or the fallen Angels(Devils or Demons are you may say).

Genesis 6:1-4 does not in the very least teach that fallen angels took on human form. It says that the sons of God (not fallen angels) took unto themselves wives from among the unbelieving nations and had children with them. The word Nephilim used for “giants” in the KJV does not mean that they were huge in stature as the book of Enoch teaches. The book of Enoch says they were 450 feet tall. Do you call that truth? You must be joking. And you say you seek the truth – in a Gnostic book which New Agers use? The word Nephilim, according to Strongs, simply means a “feller,” that is a bully or a tyrant. A feller, if you do not know, is a person who usually cuts down trees. But here is refers to a person (bully or tyrant) who cuts down (slaughters) human beings just for the fun of it. The sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 are neither fallen angels nor holy angels because Jesus is not a liar. He said,

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. (Matthew 22:29-30)

And please don’t come with the silly argument that He was referring to the angels in heaven and not the fallen angels who supposedly took on human form, married human women and had children with them. The word ” heaven” (ouranos) in this instance simply means “air,” “sky,” “the atmosphere above us.” The atmosphere above us are full of angels – holy and fallen.

Then you mention the instances where holy angels appeared to Abraham and Mary to prove that fallen angels also appeared in human form. Show me one single instance in the Bible where fallen angels appeared in human form to humans. You say you seek truth and yet you twist Scripture to prove your lies. You cannot use the instances where holy angels appeared to men and then come to the conclusion that fallen angels also appeared in human form to men. Since when does “left their original estate” mean that they took on human form? Leaving their original estate simply means they abandoned their original abode in heaven to follow Satan when he was cast down onto earth. Some of the more maliciously evil fallen angels (demons) were cast into Tartarus and are now being kept there until the final Judgment.

You say “Discussion should lead to the truth, arguments leads to insults and vile comments since each sides will defend their arguments” and yet you dare to suggest that Jesus Christ’s incarnation was not unique and that fallen angels were capable of incarnating themselves into human form. If you want to know the truth, read the Bible and not the book of Enoch, and when you read the Bible don’t interpret it to you own destruction (2 Peter 2:1). You are not open for discussion but argument because you seek truth in a book (Enoch) which was not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

You use the Romans 11:29 “the gifts of God are without repentance” to prove that demons and fallen angels are not the same. This alone proves that you don’t have a clue how to read your Bible. The context in Romans 11 is NOT demons or fallen angels but the nation of Israel. Paul simply says that Israel as a whole is God’s elect (chosen nation – Isaiah 45:4) and that God will never rescind his promises to them because his gifts are without repentance.

How on earth can we have a discussion with you when you don’t even know how to read the Bible correctly and prefer to read a Gnostic book like the book of Enoch. Do you also read the Book of Thomas and the Book of Judas to find the truth you are seeking?

Grant-53

I just finished reading “He Came to Set the Captives Free” and found few morsels of truth among the disinformation. This is not uncommon as an effective lie must have some measure of credibility. I have been a Christian for forty years and have studied the Bible extensively. I have met with Christians from many parts of the world with different backgrounds. First, an apostle was one who saw the risen Christ. Second, spiritual gifts are for the building up the Church. Third, here in North America rationalism is prevalent while in other areas animism is common. An intercessor’s work is primarily through prayer and includes a measure of identification with those in need. It does not involve, to my knowledge, being a ‘sin eater’ or use of a spirit body. I have witnessed attacks on churches and Christian organizations as Paul warned about.
As for the Nephilim I am not entirely satisfied with Tom’s analysis and I will pursue further study including Strong’s definitions and other scriptures. What is clear from the Israelite perspective that there was a variance in stature among the people groups of that time. I urge everyone to be careful of “judging another man’s servant” or use abusive language. It is important and necessary to tell the truth and reveal error. How we go about it reveals what is in our own heart. Remember it the purpose of God to unite all His people unto Himself and that we love fellow believers.
Years ago a psychic, Bernice Golden, was making predictions on the radio in Rochester, NY. I called the phone in program and explained that these predictions were from evil spirits. I expressed concern that she would be harmed by that association. The host and several callers disagreed. A year and a half later I read an article in the local paper that the former psychic had become a Christian and given up that life. God does do marvelous things.

Joellyn

I have never heard of this woman but I know what happened to me. In 1998 my dog died. On March 17, 1998 stupid me went to a psychic to see if she would tell me anything about my dog. She told me that she could see my deceased dog behind me with her paw up in the air. The psychic said the power is in the paw. On March 25, 1998 I was alone in the living room which had a lot of windows. My husband was in another part of the house. All of a sudden there was a sound of a windstorm but nothing outside was moving. My other dog saw it before I did because I saw her following something with her eyes. I looked and lo and behold a dog paw was tapping on one of the side windows. I did not take my eyes off of it because I knew as soon as I did it would disappear. I called for my husband with my eyes constantly on the “dog paw” As soon as he entered the room the “dog paw” lowered itself from the window. Another time at night I heard footsteps entering the room. I had my eyes closed but I could see a black figure standing beside the bed. I flew out of bed and grabbed my bible and it left. When I would take pictures we could see the demons in the pictures. In one picture the whole background of the room was changed to a lake of flames and a demon was stepping out of it. Earrings would be taken out of my ears, rings would vanish from my fingers to show up a few days later. The one incident that really stands out in my mind is the morning I was standing in my kitchen and I saw figures but I could see through them. I was never scared because I knew the Holy Spirit is in me and Satan and his demons cannot do anything without God’s approval. I went into the other room and knelt down in front of a chair to pray and the chair was shaking. I kept kneeling there praying and the chair stopped shaking. This is only a small portion of what happened. I believed that the Lord used this to bring me closer to Him.
This is one of the reasons I am so against the so called signs and wonders movement that is so prevalent here in the U.S. I am also an ex catholic. Which is loaded with pagan mysticism. Thank you for listening.

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Joellyn,

I sincerely hope you confessed your sin, in visiting a psychic, to God because it is very serious.

Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. (Isaiah 47:13-14).

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:1-2)

Satan does not need God’s approval or non-approval to attack his children when they disobey their Father and visit Satan’s children to glean his counsel. Beware of thinking that things like visiting a psychic and ithe consequences thereof (appearance of demons) bring you closer to God.

Joellyn

Yes I have years ago. This experience has made me so much more aware of the tactics of Satan. That is why I do not believe in any of the Charismatic “signs and wonders” At that time we were attending a false church (we weren’t aware of it) My husband never went to a psychic. He never saw anything but he did hear things in the house. The house was built in 1776 and we found out from someone that one of the former owners had pagan rituals on the grounds. We moved from there in 2002.

Samuel

I m presently reading HER book ” Prepare for War”, it is so unfortunate that we do not leave the things we do not understand, it is wisdom not to discuss what has not been revealed to you, so that you dont bring curse on yourselves. Everything she wrote is true. Being from Nigeria where there is a lot of DEMONIC manifestation i can attest to the revelation of her words. Furthermore, not everyone believed JESUS in His days. I do not expect everyone to accept her techings. Also, if her books frighten you then you ve to evaluate your faith (For we ve not received the SPIRIT OF FEAR). The problem is that there is so many baby “CHRISTIANS” that do not know that we are not equal in calling and revelation. The power of JESUS is still operating through any christian that believes, this SIGN shall follow them that believe(not the apostles alone). Apostle paul was not an apostle but manifested greater than all the apostles. Saw visions of heaven. He fought the beast of Ephesus. Paul’s persecutions shows how the Satanist can operate. Whatever you do not understand, dont comment because Matt 12 vs 36-37. By your words you will be condemned or justify.

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Samuel,

That’s just fine, Samuel. Continue to read every book by Rebecca Brown you can lay your hands on and continue to be misled by her. The following Scripture apples,

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2Ti 4:3-4)

One of her fables is the following,

Spider Bites

TBC Staff

Dec 15 2003

False teachers tell stories of seemingly miraculous events in order to impress others. Unlike the miraculous accounts in the Bible, however, these stories often fall apart under close examination. As the scriptures instruct us, we are to “prove all things, hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). May God help us to be obedient to His call.

Consider the following excerpt from the book, Unbroken Curses in which Rebecca Brown tells of a “miracle” which her husband Daniel experienced. Much as Benny Hinn told of his father being a mayor in Israel, a story easy to verify if true (it wasn’t), Brown does not begin with a simple story of a simple man, in circumstances not very different than ours. Instead, Daniel was born to “a very wealthy Jewish family of international bankers,” He was sent to Switzlerland to be under Rabbinical and Cabalistic teachers in an “exclusive boarding school.”

The six year old child was imprisoned “in a small windowless room.” Later, as punishment for trying to escape, Daniel was placed in an even smaller “round room, just a few feet in diameter.” His room may have gotten smaller, but the tale grew. Once in this room, the cruel Rabbis holding him “dumped thousands of spiders down on top of him, many of them poisonous.”

The spiders began to crawl over him. As they began biting him, Daniel cried out in pain. “Immediately, a brilliant shaft of light pierced down through that building, down into the cold little room where Daniel was cowering, shivering and crying….Two arms reached forth from the light and held him as he “slept in the arms of Jesus. When he awoke, all of his spider bites were healed,” according to Brown (Brown, Yoder, Unbroken Curses, pp. 149-175).

Spiders by nature are solitary creatures and when too close together, tend to devour each other. It is a real miracle for the Rabbis to have a large stock (thousands according to the author) of spiders to dump on their captives. And, as any child who has attempted to corner an active spider in a jar can tell you, they move rapidly and can be quite difficult to catch. Imagine trying to gather “thousands” in a bucket or other container and then try to get from the spider holding area to the prisoner’s cell without losing most of them. And this is just one example of the tall tales one may encounter in Brown’s book.

So, happy spider hunting, Samuel.

Apenisa Whippy

Hi i May not know the bible in and out or read all of rebecca’s books but if i recall, correct me if im wrong,where did God find Satan? in Haven.. so guys just from reading your discussions i really admired how u all stood up for our Lord and Savior, but blinded by your own views on the subject, you forget that Satan also puts thoughts in our minds that turn us on each other. so instead of pointing fingers and accusing someone of misleading and what ever they did right or wrong pray for them cause you never know if that person is great man or women of God, pray and let god move and he will reveal all to you

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Apenisa Whippy,

It is really very easy to know whether a person is a man or woman of God. God says,

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isaiah 8:20)

Rebecca Brown does not speak according to God’s Word, so she cannot be a woman of God. It’s as easy as that.

ann

WARNING THIS WOMEN HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE FALSE. BURN HER BOOKS, IT WELL FOOL THE ELECT IF WERE POSSIBLE PLS SPREAD THE TRUE

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