Zardy

The ‘Jesus’ that is mentioned in the Qur’an is not the same Jesus Christ that is mentioned in the bible. The ‘Jesus’ in the Qur’an is a called a great prophet, the Jesus Christ of the bible is the Son of God. In the Qur’an Allah does not have a son. And it is only through the son of God Jesus Christ that we find salvation. 🙂 The bible says:

John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” <-- this is the REAL Jesus Christ, not the one mentioned in the Qur'an

Salvator

>> Mary the Mother of God,

God does not have a mother. Where is she in the Trinity? It is blasphemy to insinuate that God has a mother.

Salvador wrote:

Christians Catholics not worship Mary as a Godness. We consider Mary the Mother of God, but this not mean she exists before God.
It was God who make her his mother. To come to the earth God need the free will of a creature, Mary, so God prepare the soul of Mary to receive his son Jesus. Mary has not original sin because of that, because she need to be sinless to could receive God.

The Mary of the Bible said:

And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Luke 1:46-47)

If Mary was born without original sin she would never have referred to Jesus as her Saviour.

No one is/was sinless, including Mary.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1 John 1:8)

The Mary you refer to was a lie because she claimed to be sinless.

Mary is the more saint of all saints, but she is inferior to God, but at the same time is the mother of God by the own decision of God Father, God Son and God Holy Spirit.

I hope my commentary put some light in your thoughts.

Martin Horan wrote:

Sorry I’m a bit late getting on to this thread. But to reply to Mark Pilon’s comment:
Who says Mary is a Goddess? Roman Catholics the world over say it in a prayer to her ever day:

“Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, MOTHER OF GOD, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

I was taught to say that myself at the Catholic schools I attended and heard it repeated time out of mind.
Mary a Goddess? MOTHER OF GOD does not imply just any mere Goddess! If Mother of God doesn’t mean she’s a Goddess (and I spell it with a capital G because that’s what Catholics mean it to say) then what does? They are the ones who call her the MOTHER OF GOD. If she is God’s mother then she was around before God and He could not possibly be eternal!

If Catholics don’t mean by that that she is a Goddess or God’s mother, then why have such a prayer?
It is a blasphemous statement. And what else can it hope to achieve other than to make those saying the prayer believe she is a Goddess?
Although Catholics contradict themselves (at this point only making her a mere goddess-without-the-capital) by telling children that we are to pray to Mary to go to Jesus for us. And this is because, though He will very likely deny our pleas, He will never deny His mother if she asks for us.

What? He died for us but we have more hope in a plea from Mary a sinner who needed a Saviour according to herself [Luke 1:47].
Also, she would have to be omnipresent to be able to answer the prayers of millions of Catholics throughout the word who are saying that prayer daily, some of them repeating them over and over on their rosary beads.

If that doesn’t make her a Goddess what does?

“Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, MOTHER OF GOD, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

I was taught to say that myself at the Catholic schools I attended and heard it repeated time out of mind.
Mary a Goddess? MOTHER OF GOD does not imply just any mere Goddess! If Mother of God doesn’t mean she’s a Goddess (and I spell it with a capital G because that’s what Catholics mean it to say) then what does? They are the ones who call her the MOTHER OF GOD. If she is God’s mother then she was around before God and He could not possibly be eternal!

If Catholics don’t mean by that that she is a Goddess or God’s mother, then why have such a prayer?
It is a blasphemous statement. And what else can it hope to achieve other than to make those saying the prayer believe she is a Goddess?
Although Catholics contradict themselves (at this point only making her a mere goddess-without-the-capital) by telling children that we are to pray to Mary to go to Jesus for us. And this is because, though He will very likely deny our pleas, He will never deny His mother if she asks for us.

What? He died for us but we have more hope in a plea from Mary a sinner who needed a Saviour according to herself [Luke 1:47].
Also, she would have to be omnipresent to be able to answer the prayers of millions of Catholics throughout the word who are saying that prayer daily, some of them repeating them over and over on their rosary beads.

If that doesn’t make her a Goddess what does?

I have visited a mosque in America where I have witnessed Sunni Muslims confess that Jesus is the Messiah.

I used to log on to Muslim apologist sites and try to reason with them and was told once, “Islamic tradition holds the view that Jesus (Isa), son of Mary was indeed the promised prophet or Messiah (Masih) send to the Semitic Jewish tribes living in Israel and he will again return to Earth in end times after the arrival of Imam Mahdi to defeat the “great deceiver” i.e. Dajjal (false messiah).”

So, it is Islamic tradition that Jesus is the Messiah. The Quran mentions Jesus being the Messiah as well: “Indeed, they have disbelieved who have said, “God is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary.” The Messiah said, “Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever associates partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him, and his home is the Fire (Hell). For the wrongdoers, there will be no helpers.” (Quran, 5:72)

So I would not be surprised to see and hear that all Muslims confess Jesus as the Messiah. However, what Jesus being the Messiah means is radically different from a Biblical viewpoint. This is what I’ve found to be a common trait amongst all cults/false religions. They might use Biblical words, but change the meaning of each word, which is why I can sit down with my Mormon friend and talk for hours about Jesus agreeing upon many points. In reality though, we agree on nothing.

Everything written in existence today or that was ever written in the past or that will ever be written in the future, is only a commentary of personal views, perspectives, and opinions of one person or group of persons on the Personhood of God of the Godhead who spoke His Word that took on flesh to become manifest for us as man, the Savior of the world of mankind.

Everything is in some way incomplete, as we are all called in that some way to complete the sufferings in the body of Christ since our Father created all that there is through His Word Jesus Christ and we are subject to Him in being and in understanding by faith whether we like it or not, knowingly or unknowingly, willingly or unwillingly.

Therefore, whosoever, says to you believe this or come here, or go there and you will find God, and unless it is the Spirit of God which He has given you residing from within that unknown portion of your being whispering to you as was whispered to Abraham who believed and responded and went by faith to an unknown land, hold your peace that it may not leave you but bless the enemies that would lead you astray for no one can command, produce, or feign faith before the Almighty. Faith is an act of love in life and cannot be called forth by any man/woman, for faith cometh by hearing.

Christ Jesus is our bread come down from heaven, He is the Life, the Way, and the Truth for each and every one of us and He becomes manifest in each and every one who believes in Him and suffers, joys, takes up their cross to follow and to imitate Him on their way to Calvary. God the Father, God the Son Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit; the Holy One, the Mighty One, the Immortal One, the Triune God is worshiped and glorified through the prophets down through the ages He is worshipped and in the Mass in remembrance of Jesus’ life, passion, and death.

Ciao,

Giovanni maria tommaso