Thank God for Calvin and Luther? Were there no Christians before them? Luther and Calvin REFORMED nothing. There were true Christians, Anabaptists, Waldensens, Paulicians, Bogomils, Donnatists, and many other born again Christians that were BURNED at the stake by the likes of the Popes, Calvin, The Church of England. God didn’t need Luther or Calvin to get us back on the narrow path.

Read about the Waldensens. Look up on the internet this small book:
The History of the Waldenses
By J. A. Wylie (1808-1890)
London: Cassell and Company, c1860

You can cut and paste it for free. It is about 88 pages and it tells of the horrors these bible believing, non-Calvinists saints went through. Mothers had to watch as soldiers raped their daughters, tore apart their infants and then threw their husbands and themselves over rocky mountain cliffs.

No sir, God didn’t need the Jew hating Calvin because Calvin added to the misery and murder of true believers. He didn’t need the Jew hating Luther either. If that is “reformation” I want none of it. I am a Christian first. But then I am a Baptist by conviction and we Baptists pre-dated the reformation….Thank God!

Sheugnet wrote:

Just the start up of this article showed me that a person with an ‘agenda’ wrote this. After giving this whole ‘for – or against Calvinism-thing’ a lot of thought and doing a bit of research I came to a conclusion.

Paul said, ‘…we see through a glass darkly..’ We cannot know EVERYTHING. All of us make mistakes. YES, EVEN YOU!

John Calvyn was chosen by God to map out the foundation of our Christian faith after the dark ages, even as God chose Saul to be His apostle to the nations beyond the Judean and Samarian border. We need to think with gratitude about men like Martin Luther and John Calvyn, for if it had not been for their courage and dedication, we would not have been here with all the knowledge that we are privileged to have through the Word of God.

B.t.w. Thomas. God DOES love selectively. The Bible says very clearly that God loved Jacob, but hated Esau. If Calvinism is leading multitudes astray, then where on earth do all the Christians come from? Wasn’t it through the basic Word based teachings of Calvyn that the church grew in those beginning years after the dark ages? Has God changed at all? Would He have used the Calvinistic teachings then and not now to build His church?

Willem Zaaiman wrote:

I can see that I am in the enemies courtyard
No further comment

Tit 3:8 The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

Edmund

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

My wedding vows stay.

Your answer proves that you don’t have a clue what Romans 9:13 means.

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (Luk 14:26)

My wedding vows stay.

Sheugnet wrote:

Paul said, ‘…we see through a glass darkly..’ We cannot know EVERYTHING. All of us make mistakes. YES, EVEN YOU!

No-one dares misunderstand salvation. If you do you may lose your soul for all eternity.

You misunderstand Jacob and Esau. Do you love your wife? You shouldn’t you know, because Jesus said if you do not hate her you cannot be his disciple (Luke 14:26). You have a whole year to work that on out and if you have you will understand Romans 9:13. Until then, you shouldn’t try to give an opinion on things you do not understand (2 Timothy 3:6-7).

If Calvinism is leading multitudes astray, then where on earth do all the Christians come from?

From those who have not been led astray by Calvinists.

Paul said, ‘…we see through a glass darkly..’ We cannot know EVERYTHING. All of us make mistakes. YES, EVEN YOU!

John Calvyn was chosen by God to map out the foundation of our Christian faith after the dark ages, even as God chose Saul to be His apostle to the nations beyond the Judean and Samarian border. We need to think with gratitude about men like Martin Luther and John Calvyn, for if it had not been for their courage and dedication, we would not have been here with all the knowledge that we are privileged to have through the Word of God.

B.t.w. Thomas. God DOES love selectively. The Bible says very clearly that God loved Jacob, but hated Esau. If Calvinism is leading multitudes astray, then where on earth do all the Christians come from? Wasn’t it through the basic Word based teachings of Calvyn that the church grew in those beginning years after the dark ages? Has God changed at all? Would He have used the Calvinistic teachings then and not now to build His church?

Willem Zaaiman wrote

I can see that I am in the enemies courtyard
No further comment

Tit 3:8 The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

You’ve put yourself in the enemy’s courtyard, not us. Anyone, and that includes you, who believes that God loved only a select few (including you) and only died for them (including you) is an enemy of God. If you really want to devote yourself to good works, get out of the enemy’s camp (Calvinism) and preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ that says He wants everyone to be saved (2 Peter 3:9; 1 John 2:2) .

The passage you quoted concerns quarrels about the law, genealogies and dissensions. When did we quarrel with you over the law? I was discussing the heresies of Calvinism that goes to the heart of the Gospel – the salvation of mankind. It’s got nothing to do with the law or genealogies. If you don’t know what the difference is, don’t blame us for your ignorance.

I can assure you that contending for the faith that was once delivered to us is not unprofitable. I’ll tell you why. Many people who’d been duped by Calvinism have come out of the quagmire of lies and deceit and are now truly saved because they realized they were in the enemy’s camp who works – not good works – but works of the devil. Calvinism is NOT, I repeat, is NOT of God. It is a false gospel and is leading multitudes like you astray.

Tit 3:8 The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

james jordan wrote:

Calvinism is turning Jesus into a dismal failure. What I mean is the more Calvinists there are, the more Protestant denominations are infected by it, the more it spreads, the more Christianity is rejected by more people. The only solution is to separate Paul from Jesus’ hip by some radical surgery, and cut off the root of Calvinism (the Pauline epistles) once and for all so that the cancer can no longer grow on Christ’s back.

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
(2 Peter 3:16)

As you can see, the twisting of Scripture is very dangerous and especially the Pauline epistles which Paul received directly from Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12)

You are playing with fire – the fires of hell.