Comments on: Eternal Security: NOSAS Versus OSAS (Part 1) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/05/24/eternal-security-nosas-versus-osas-part-1/ Discerning Biblical Answers for Christians in Todays World Thu, 27 Apr 2023 19:27:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Deborah (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/05/24/eternal-security-nosas-versus-osas-part-1/#comment-485147 Fri, 21 Sep 2018 15:27:07 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=12883#comment-485147 In reply to Scott.

Dear Scott

If questions hindered someone or make someone stumble then we all just better keep quiet and close this site down… 🙂

We believe in Eternal security, in that when you are born again you are SEALED by the Holy Spirit, your salvation is secure. Jesus keeps you!
People who do not believe their salvation is secure believe in a works based salvation, and yes you are right as you said, “if you can lose your salvation, then your looking to yourself and your performance(probationary salvation) and not looking to Jesus’s death on the cross for the forgiveness of your sins”

I have noticed a direct correlation between people who believe they can lose their salvation, also being anti pre-trib rapture, as they think they have to go through the tribulation as a means of purification. Do you see how dangerous and evil a doctrine it all of a sudden becomes? Jesus’ blood on the cross is not what saves them, washes them – it will be their martyrdom that supposedly purifies them and pays the price.

]]> By: Scott https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/05/24/eternal-security-nosas-versus-osas-part-1/#comment-485143 Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:27:38 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=12883#comment-485143 Hi– Can I ask a question about eternal security? Jesus said on the cross that it is finished so doesn’t that mean that all past, present, and futre sins of a believer are forgiven( God’s Grace)!!! If somone believes in conditional eternal security then couldn’t you say that they are taking Jesus off of the cross(figuratively) and putting themselves on the cross in replacement of Jesus because if you can lose your salvation then your looking to yourself and your performance(probationary salvation) and not looking to Jesus’s death on the cross for the forgiveness of your sins(imputed righteousness)? That would mean that works keep your salvation- would it not? With that being said– if you can lose your salvation then isn’t that mocking the finished work of the cross saying that it wasnt a completed atoning work for the forgiveness of ones sins? Would it not be blasphemy because your basically saying that Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross was’nt good enough to atone for all of your sins so you have to step in and finish(atone) for your future sins by not committing certain sins or whatever criteria that they believe keeps them saved? This is only my opinion and thoughts and I am not accusing of anyone who believes in conditional eternal security of blaspemy and I do not want to hinder anyone’s faith that believes in conditional eternal security but I wanted to ask someone wiser in the Lord of their opinion on my train of though which is usually black and white! If you think that these questions will hinder anyone’s faith that believes in conditional eternal security then please do not publically post my question but could you just privately answer it to my email address? Actually i think that these questions could hinder or make someone stumble in their faith so if possible then could you just answer me privately to my email address? Thanks very much

]]> By: Tom (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/05/24/eternal-security-nosas-versus-osas-part-1/#comment-461475 Wed, 08 Nov 2017 03:58:55 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=12883#comment-461475 In reply to Alina.

Hi Alina,

I viewed the video but haven’t had much time to evaluate it in depth. I will view it again as soon as I can and let you know what I think of it. However, to address your statement, “I have been struggling with finding logic with OSAS and how a Christian could continue sinning and think he is still born again. That is not true repentance” I would like to ask you a question. Paul says in Romans 7:14, For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, SOLD UNDER SIN .”

Was Paul saved when he said this or was he feigning repentance, or had he lost his salvation and, therefore, not a true Christian? I am not saying that Christians should continue sinning and neither does Paul. When you have answered my first question, I would like to ask you another one.

By the way, have you stopped sinning completely? If you do believe that you have stopped sinning, you are already sinning. In fact, if you do believe that you have stopped sinning altogether, then, actually, you are not saved.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1 Jn 1:8)

One last question: Are you a big fan of Joyce Meyer?

]]> By: Alina https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/05/24/eternal-security-nosas-versus-osas-part-1/#comment-461467 Wed, 08 Nov 2017 00:03:33 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=12883#comment-461467 I am interested in your comments about this video. This man makes a lot of sense. I have been struggling with finding logic with OSAS and how a Christian could continue sinning and think he is still born again. That is not true repentance. Please review the video and others from that channel and if possible let me know your comments.

http://youtu.be/5sG9-WM6mJs

]]> By: Deborah (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/05/24/eternal-security-nosas-versus-osas-part-1/#comment-451247 Fri, 18 Dec 2015 07:22:18 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=12883#comment-451247 In reply to Joy Michael.

Joy

You are right, the words Eternal security does not exist in the bible, does that mean that it does not exist? The words Eternal Security is nothing but a way or means to group all verses that pertain to one receiving salvation and being secure in it.

The words Bible does not exist either in the bible, does that mean the bible is now null and void too?

The words EVERLASTING SALVATION is different from Eternal Security. Let’s break this down:

1. If you don’t believe in Eternal Security and you believe you have to work to keep your salvation to one day receive everlasting salvation.
2. If you believe in Eternal Security then you are saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit to receive everlasting salvation.

Which one do you believe in?

>> You said: Isa_45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
What does that verse mean? Is it only for Israel or for The Church and also Israel??

This verse is primarily to the Jews in Babylon, but affirming the universal truth that the true Israel that is, the people of God, shall be saved from all their trials, and shall be brought to his everlasting kingdom.

]]> By: Joy Michael https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/05/24/eternal-security-nosas-versus-osas-part-1/#comment-451236 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:18:22 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=12883#comment-451236 The words Eternal Security does not exist in the WORD of GOD. But the words “EVERLASTING SALVATION”. Check
Isa_45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
What does that verse mean? Is it only for Israel or for The Church and also Israel??

]]> By: Sharon https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/05/24/eternal-security-nosas-versus-osas-part-1/#comment-251890 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 04:06:46 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=12883#comment-251890 Never apologize for sharing a bit about your burdens. How do we know how to pray for someone if they don’t tell even a tiny bit. Sometimes burdens overwhelm us. King David would often say, why is my soul disquieted within me, hope thou in God. Rest in His great love. God is love and has so very much love for ALL of mankind and yet his love is small enough to meet us individually.

Be Blessed.

Redeemed wrote:

Sharon, thank you for caring and praying. In weakness we see His strength that helps us to find a way to press on even if it is crawling. I apologize for calling attention to myself and my situation but wanted to provide a reason for my inability to get involved in comments and didn’t want to give the impression I am upset or have lost interest. Neither is the case. I still like to check in and read the comments and articles when I can. Thank you again and blessings to you.

]]> By: Redeemed https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/05/24/eternal-security-nosas-versus-osas-part-1/#comment-251882 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 01:29:49 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=12883#comment-251882 Sharon, thank you for caring and praying. In weakness we see His strength that helps us to find a way to press on even if it is crawling. I apologize for calling attention to myself and my situation but wanted to provide a reason for my inability to get involved in comments and didn’t want to give the impression I am upset or have lost interest. Neither is the case. I still like to check in and read the comments and articles when I can. Thank you again and blessings to you.

]]> By: Sharon https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/05/24/eternal-security-nosas-versus-osas-part-1/#comment-251823 Sat, 13 Jul 2013 02:23:38 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=12883#comment-251823 Redeemed, How are you dear Sister in Christ? I saw where you spoke of a heavy burden. I prayed for you, the grace to endure and that the outcome be what our Lord wills for your life. We have a Savior who is touched with our infirmities. I find comfort knowing that Jesus really does understand my physical pain, my emotional pain and my loneliness. Who ever suffered more than He did? Who was more emotionally torn when he prayed Not my will but thine? Who was ever more lonely when the Father had to turn away whe Jesus became sin for us? That thought just gave me goose bumps on my arms.

Have a blessed weekend.

Love in Christ Forever,
Sharon

]]> By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/05/24/eternal-security-nosas-versus-osas-part-1/#comment-251719 Thu, 11 Jul 2013 10:39:43 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=12883#comment-251719 In reply to Redeemed.

Hi Redeemed

I sincerely appreciate your comments and I thank you for your kind words.

Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. (Hebrews 12:1-2)

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