Jacob Prasch & Chuck Missler – Demonic Nephilim

Jacob Prasch, Chuck Missler - Demonic Nephilim

Jacob Prasch and his friend Chuck Missler both teach the the same demonic Nephilim teaching that angels came down to earth and had sexual relations with human women who somehow miraculously gave birth to ginormous babies who grew to be around 450 feet tall.  Imagine that!  The poor woman must have died giving birth, oh wait…what about carrying a baby that big? *Let’s all laugh together shall we*

The thing is, this is false teaching, it’s a pack of demonic lies, yet Jacob Prasch continues to tells us ‘his opinion’ over and over and over again, brainwashing an unsuspecting audience.  Why does he not examine the Bible only to find the truth of the matter?  Instead of look at occult sources for answers, and then try and fit the bible into his occult conclusions. What is so important about this false demonic Nephilim teachingthat he must keep mentioning it?  And no one bothers to question him because they are all too scared for fear of the backlash.  (See bottom of article regarding backlash by Jacob Prasch).  Well here at DTW we are not scared.  We will ask Jacob Prach why he preaches this doctrine.

Now we understand that Jacob Prasch used Midrash (which contains many fantastical tales relating to the Bible and secret knowledge), to help him come to his conclusions, and we know that Midrash is EXTRA BIBLICAL!  (See this article: Moriel Ministries and MIDRASH)

Lets have a look and see what Jacob Prasch has to say regarding the demonic Nephilim. 

The Future History of the Church, Part 1

by James Jacob Prasch

A typological and midrashic examination of what will happen in the future of the church by seeing how the past history of the church is recapitulated eschatologically; how past events happen again in the Last Days. What to expect, and what to prepare for.  [Emphasis added]

The demonic Nephilim Then and Now

When I was a young Christian, I was a hippie who got saved out of the drug culture. We used to witness eight hours a day sometimes because we thought Jesus was coming next week, so what did anything else matter? I met so many people who said their beliefs were based on gods on other planets, UFOs and such.

When Jimmy Carter became President of the United States, he declassified something called The Blue Report that was put together by the American Air Force, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, and the Central Intelligence Agency. It was not all declassified, but Carter declassified a major portion of it. They found no evidence from exobiology for extraterrestrial life, but they had innumerable cases of people using parapsychology to conjure up extraterrestrial phenomena; there were even cultists who could make these things appear. Similar studies were done in Great Britain. Reading the Blue Report can be quite frightening. There is no scientific basis for belief in extraterrestrials, but a firmly recorded basis in the occult. Uri Geller, the Israeli spoon-bender, said that there were people on other planets trying to persuade him to be the Messiah.

The demonic Nephilim, the fallen ones, are strange characters in Genesis. It would appear that they survived the Flood; whether the demonic Nephilim who were in the land of Canaan when the Jews came to it are a different demonic Nephilim from the ones who were spoken of before the flood is an issue over which theologians are divided; no one is really certain. Some say they are the same ones, some say they’re different. If they are the same, it would mean they had survived the deluge somehow. Nonetheless, these things are “the fallen ones”, and we’re told in Scripture that they copulated with human women.  [Emphasis added]

[DTW note:  No one is divided over this issue, only false teachers who want to tickle the ears of their followers want to divide the truth into error.  Please read below under the heading of  The Truth about the Sons of God, the Daughters of Men and the demonic Nephilim to understand the Biblical truth of the demonic Nephilim.]

Now, most of the popular “deliverance ministry” going around today is a lot of Ghostbusters-type nonsense with no Scriptural basis; I would seriously question whether most of these people could handle real demon possession if it ever faced them – it’s no joke. But I once cast a demon out of a black necromancer who was having sexual relations with demons.

There was a witch in England on television in America, who gave her testimony when she got saved and told of having intercourse with a devil; people witnessed this. This kind of activity was around in the days of Noah, and it will be around again in the Last Days. Somehow demonoids – they were virtual monsters – will exist on the earth again, as they did in Noah’s day. We will see an increase in occult activity, but particularly in this kind of high Satanism; even to the point of people having relations with demons. It already goes on, but it’s going to increase.  [Emphasis added]

[DTW note:  To compare a testimony of someone who had sexual relations with the devil to that of Genesis 6 is pure speculation.  First note that people today who have relations with demons do not fall pregnant – never have and never will.  Will we see an increase in demonic activity, yes, but to say that we will see a rise of the demonic Nephilim again in the end times as was back in the days of Noah is not the truth.]

Man is utterly fallen. I studied science in university, and I have no problem with science. However, it remains that man is fallen. So while I have no problem with science, I know what happens when you put science into the hands of fallen man. It is easy to visualize the kinds of atrocities that can be accomplished with biogenetic engineering; people can eventually take DNA, clone it, and re-create Josef Stalin or a whole race of Josef Stalins. There are things happening right now in genetics that when I studied biology in university would have seemed like science fiction; they no longer are.

I have no doubt – I am not teaching this doctrinally, this is my own opinion – that the world is being set up for a huge spiritual seduction in which UFOs and extraterrestrials along with other things of this type will play a role. It can be seen in David Bowie’s albums and in Stephen Spielberg’s movies, for example. The Bible talks about “the fallen ones”; the ones who fell from heaven, the demonic Nephilim. The cosmos needs to be cleansed. I am quite convinced that extraterrestrial phenomena will be a large part of the spiritual seduction that is on its way. I am also quite afraid of the developments in biogenetic engineering – not the developments themselves, but seeing that kind of technology in the hands of fallen man. When combined with the occult, which scientology and other of these types of groups are already doing, the ramifications are terrible. Somehow, there was a physical manifestation of demons in the days of Noah; that will recur in some way in the Last Days before the Return of Jesus. I won’t speculate on it further, but I do see the way things are heading. This is the kind of world that we have to prepare our children to live in; think about that and then tell me you don’t believe in Christian school!   [Emphasis added]

[DTW note:  First Jacob Prasch says he has no doubt, but then goes on to tell you that this is NOT BIBLICAL DOCTRINE, it’s only HIS OPINION.  If it’s his opinion, then why oh why is he preaching his opinion as if it were doctrine!  Jacob Prasch preaches this demonic Nephilim teaching on very video I’ve watched, practically ever conference I’ve watched, and mentions it in practically every book he writes.  Why?  Why is he so enthusiastic on getting this lie out to the people?  So they can run over to Chuck Missler’s website and be ensnared in the trap that has been set up for them there?  He says “the fallen ones” meaning “those who fell from heaven”, instead it actually means “apostates”, it is a passive form of  “ones who have fallen”. “The cosmos needs to be cleansed” he says?  What a load of nonsense.  [Emphasis added]

He says we have to prepare our children to live in a world with demon monsters walking around before Jesus returns (presumably before the rapture).  No my dear readers, prepare you and your children for a lot worse;  for men (who don’t look like monsters at all), but who come to you as wolves in sheep’s clothing preaching doctrines contrary to scripture leading you and your children to hell.

Yes there will be an increase in demonic activity in the atmosphere, it is increasing daily as Satan’s time nears an end and people’s minds are caught up in doctrines of demons – Christianity no longer exists, Paganism is now the religion of choice,  just as it was in the Days of Noah – wickedness abounds and will increase to unprecedented proportions.  Just as it was in the Days of Noah and before that, there were extremely wicked people ruling, like we have today; family’s of statue (Rothchilds, Rockerfellers, etc) dictating Satan’s way forward into a NWO.

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The Truth about the Sons of God, the Daughters of Men and the Nephilim

Are the demonic Nephilim demonic monsters or are they not? The reason I am so passionate about the answer to this question is because of the rise in interest in the supernatural, i.e, aliens, trans-humanism etc.  There are stories running abound that during the end-times demons will be free to do as they please on earth, producing offspring like the demonic Nephilim.  The bible is very clear that we are to not let our minds be captured by occult imagination because when human minds get hold of unbiblical ideas it runs free and causes all sorts of havoc.

Note:  Articles posted by DTW are not an endorsement of the author, their website, ministry or any links therein. Readers are cautioned to use discernment at all times and test everything by the Word of God.  DTW endorses this below article only.

Nephilim

By Pastor Anton Bosch – Permission received by Anton Bosch to re-publish his article.  

The Hebrew word Nephilim is translated “giants” in the Old Testament. It only appears twice in Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33.  A whole series of doctrines have been built around this word, in spite of the fact that the word only appears rarely. These doctrines on the Nephilim are based on Genesis 6:1-4. (It must be noted that most speculators lean very heavily on extra-biblical writings for most of their information.) The theories can basically be summed up as follows:

Demons / angels (sons of God) had illicit relationships with women (the daughters of men) and these perverted relations produced genetically mutated beings known as Nephilim (giants). God then imprisoned some of the angles who did this and in order to purify the bloodline of man God brought on the Flood. Through genetic engineering these demonic Nephilim will be resurrected, one of which will be the Antichrist[i]. To these people, the demonic Nephilim are also connected to so-called extra-terrestrial forms of life.

Since these theories are gaining ground and a number of books have been published based on this hypothesis, it is necessary to examine Genesis 6 again and see what exactly it teaches. We will discover that the proponents of these theories break every principle of hermeneutics. Here is the text:

“Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown”. (Genesis 6:1-4)

Sons of God

The first problem revolves around who in the passage are the “sons of God”. Some make the connection with Job 1:6; 2:1. “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.” (Job 1:6). It is obvious, and not contested, that the “sons of God” in Job were angels. But does that mean that this term in Genesis 6:2 also refers to angels?

First, the normal meaning of “sons of God” is “believers”. “But as many as received him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name” (John 1:12). Job 1:6 (a poetic book) is the only place where angels are called “sons of God”. It is logical and reasonable therefore that the normal meaning be attached to the term here, rather than the exception, as found in Job, unless there were something in the text that made a connection between Genesis 6 and Job 1 – which is absent.

Second Jesus explicitly said that “in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.” (Matthew 22:30) (See also Luke 20:34-36). Therefore in Jesus’ own words, angels are asexual and do not procreate.

So here is the problem. Genesis is obscure about who had the relations. Jesus said angels do not have relations. So either Jesus was mistaken or the “sons of God” were not angels. You choose! It is really as simple as that – there are no other options.

Some try to get around this by saying that the angels inhabited (possessed) human bodies to do this. That sounds good. But here is the question: A Christian man has the Holy Spirit in him. When that man produces a child by his wife, what is the child? God or man? Clearly, it is a man. There are multitudes of people in the world who are demon possessed and who procreate. What do they produce? Human babies or mutants? Obviously human babies. So why should Genesis 6 be any different. If demons entered into men to produce offspring the children would be human, and only human.

One of the principles of hermeneutics is that the Old Testament is interpreted in the light of the New Testament and not the other way round. In order to say that the “sons of God” in Genesis 6 are angels (or demons) we must discard the light of the NT and that should never happen.

The nature of the relationships

The next problem is that it is claimed that the angels had illicit relations with women. Yet the text is very clear: “they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose” (Genesis 6:2b). The phrase “took wives for themselves” only, and always, means marriage. It never refers to casual, illicit or adulterous relationships. (See Genesis 11:29 &Ruth 1:4). To suggest otherwise is reading into the text that which is simply not there.

Giants

The theory goes that the giants were the product of these illicit relationships. We have shown that the text does not refer to illicit relationships and that the fathers could not be angels.

Genesis 6:4, again is very clear: “There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.”  Notice that it says there were giants (fact number 1) and afterwards the sons of God came into… (fact number 2). There is NO connection between the fact that there were giants and the fact that people had children.

It is exactly like me saying: “There is milk in the supermarket and eggs are $1.50 a dozen” Milk has no effect on the price, or even the existence, of eggs and the other way around. I am simply stating two facts that describe things about food in the supermarket.

In Genesis 6 Moses is describing the state of the world before the flood. He makes no connection between the demonic Nephilim and the sons of God and daughters of men. If the sentence had been reversed as follows: “The sons of God came into the daughters of men and they bore demonic Nephilim then you could postulate some theory about the nature of this process. But the text does not give us any room to connect the demonic Nephilim with these marriages.

Genesis 6:4 does say that the children that were produced “were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown“. “Mighty men” is a term which is used 154 times in the OT and simply refers to powerful men, either physically or politically. Just like there are many mighty men today and some are men of God and others are worldly and unsaved, so there were mighty men in those days, of which Noah was one.

“Men of old” also holds no mystique, these were simply the heroes of bygone days.

“Men of renown” is also used in Numbers 16:2 and Ezekiel 23:23. These are famous men, or well-known men. The Hebrew term literally means “men with a name” meaning they had “made a name” for themselves.

The descendants of these relationships were not monsters, mutants, or anything extraordinary. Some were ordinary people and some were powerful, some were little known and others had made a name for themselves. Genesis 6:5 (the next verse) goes on to describe these people as wicked and worthy of God’s judgment.

Furthermore, the translation of the word demonic Nephilim in Genesis 6:4 as “giants” is very arbitrary. There are many other possible ways this word could be translated here: “Bullies”, “mighty ones” or “tyrants”.  At least one dictionary states that the demonic Nephilim in Genesis and in Numbers were two different peoples[ii]. Once again, we cannot build an entire doctrine on a word which we cannot translate or explain with any measure of certainty.

Genesis 6:4 is simply a description of life before the flood and not a commentary on mysterious genetic mutant life forms. Jesus obviously has this verse in mind when he says: “But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.” (Matthew 24:37-39) (note the reference to marriage in both verses).

One of the most important principles of hermeneutics is that the verse has to be read in its context. The context is clear, that life was going on as usual, people were becoming more and more self-absorbed and sinful but judgment was coming. This is the same point Jesus was making in Matthew 24 – people will be self-absorbed and fixated on every-day life and will not be ready for His coming.

The cause of the Flood

Those who speculate about the demonic Nephilim connect them with the reason for the Flood. Once again, there is no connection there. Genesis 6 describes life on earth. Yes, there were Nephilim, but more significantly, people were marrying and having children and becoming more wicked. Genesis 6:5-6 cannot be clearer. God’s judgment fell because of the wickedness of man. This had absolutely nothing to do with demons, angels or mutants. Look at these verses again: “Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the LORD said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”(Genesis 6:5-7).

If the flood had anything to do with anything other than man’s sinfulness, either Moses or Jesus would have said something in that regard, but both are silent about demons, angels and mutants. The flood had nothing to do with clearing the gene pool. It was all about clearing the earth of sinful and wicked people. Even Sunday school children should be able to tell you that.

If the flood had anything to do with God wanting to destroy the giants because they were “contaminated seed” or to purge the gene pool then, Noah and his sons should have been destroyed also. Noah and his sons carried the gene from which giants were formed. This is obvious since giants (demonic Nephilim) are born after the flood and were present in the Land when the spies were sent to scout out the land (Numbers 13:33). These giants were descendants of Noah since all of humankind after the flood descended from Noah.

Extra-biblical evidence

These speculators quote the Book of Enoch (and other apocryphal books) in support of their ideas as though they are Scripture. Yet, Enoch and the rest of the Apocrypha are not part of the canon of Scripture for obvious reasons – they are not, and have never been regarded as inspired except by apostate churches and false teachers.

Once again they break one of the fundamentals of Evangelical and Reformed hermeneutics: We hold only to Scripture and do not add, nor subtract from it (Revelation 22:18; Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32). It is especially reprehensible to formulate an entire doctrine on extra-biblical evidence as these people are doing.

The fact is that there is overwhelming evidence in very old writings that the Hebrew sages never regarded the “sons of God” as angels or demons. But we dare not use that as evidence lest we sink to the same level as these speculators.

Jude 6 is quoted in support of the theories. This verse says:

  • “And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day” (Jude 1:6).

Once again, there is absolutely nothing in the verse, or the context, that connects it with Genesis 6. There is nothing in the context that gives rise to understand that “not keep(ing) their proper domain” has anything to do with having relations with women. These angels sinned by overstepping their boundaries – that is evident. But what those boundaries were can be any of a hundred things. We just cannot draw connection between Genesis 6 and Jude 6, except that the chapter number is the same as the verse number!

2 Peter 2:4-5

Verse 4 is similar to Jude 6:

  • For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly.” (2 Peter 2:4-5).

To those who pluck verses out of their context there appears to be a connection between the sinning angels and the flood. But look at the context:

  • 2 Peter 2:1-3 There were, and will be, false teachers and they will “bring upon themselves swift destruction“.
  • 2 Peter 2:4 Angels sinned and God “reserved them for judgment
  • 2 Peter 2:5 The ancient world sinned and God judged them by the flood but spared Noah
  • 2 Peter 2:6-8 Sodom and Gomorrah sinned and God judged them but spared Lot
  • 2 Peter 2:9 Therefore in the future, the Lord will judge the unjust and save the godly.

The angels and the pre-flood world are simply two of four examples that Peter quotes to show that God will punish sin. The connections between the sinning angels and the flood are the same connection with false teachers and Sodom – the connections have nothing to do with gene mutation but is all about sin and the consequences thereof.

Conclusion

The purpose of this brief article is not to provide answers to all the questions that surround Genesis 6. In fact, we do not have all the answers and those who claim they have a full and detailed explanation for these verses are speculating. The point of the text in Genesis 6, and 2Peter 2 is to warn that God will not tolerate sin and will judge it.

But what we are certain of is that the theories about angels producing mutant life forms are not Biblical and that the conclusions derived from this theory are fictional, at best.

  • “…charge some that they teach no other doctrine, nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith“. (1 Timothy 1:3-4).
  • “But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness.”(1 Timothy 4:7).
  • For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.” (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

[i] This is a very brief and highly sanitized summary of some very extreme and bizarre teachings. But it must also be noted that those who hold to these teachings differ greatly amongst themselves as to how far they take their conclusions.

[ii]Thomas, R. L. (1998). New American Standard Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek dictionaries : Updated edition. Anaheim: Foundation Publications, Inc.

More important notes:

1)  David and Goliath – 

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Yes, there were giants but not in the sense of the pictures of Jack and the beanstalk. Goliath was anywhere between 6’9” to 10′ tall.  The oldest manuscripts – the Dead Sea Scrolls text of Samuel, the first-century historian Josephus, and the fourth century Septuagint manuscripts – all give his height as “four cubits and a span”, about six feet, nine inches tall (two meters), but later manuscripts have it as “six cubits and a span,” which would make him almost ten feet tall (three meters). The average height of the LA Lakers basketball team is 6’4″, with a few of them at 6’9″.  

Andre the Giant from the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) stood at 7’4″ while the Great Khali currently stands at 7’1″.  [Note that DTW has never referred to the dead-sea scrolls for information, but to help explain Goliath in this instance, it is very necessary.]

Saul stood “head-and-shoulders” above the rest of the people and David (it seems) could fit into his armour. David appears extra small to Goliath because he was just a youth when he fought and killed Goliath. However when David grew up he was able to use Goliath’s sword (1 Sam 21). So as adults David and Saul were almost as big as Goliath! – now that’s a revolutionary thought!

The same goes for the Canaanites, they were giant men, but not from another world.  There is no possible way that these giants were of an extraterrestrial nature because the bible does not say so – the bible does say there were giants before the flood and their DNA must have been in Noah because the DNA is carried forward to beyond the flood. We need to remain silent on the things the Bible is silent on – we can’t go around and make wild speculations as many well known pastors are doing.  To again speculate that angels came down again to have relations with human women to produce more giants after the flood is just nonsense.

2)  Those giant skeletons they supposedly found in Greece and Middle East –

There is a good reason we haven’t heard about this epic discovery in the New York TimesScientific American, or any other legitimate publication, and that is that these photos, like the one circulating since 2004 purporting to show a giant skeleton found in the Middle East, are fakes.

As if it weren’t preposterous enough to claim that one 15-foot-tall fossilized human skeleton had turned up without media fanfare, we’re asked to believe that archaeologists recently dug up four of them in a single location (Greece). In point of fact, each of the photos appears to have been taken at a different time and place.

So far I’ve only been able to locate the original of one of them, but it serves as clear proof that Photoshopping took place. Image #4 was created by inserting an outsized human skull into a photo of a 1993 University of Chicago dinosaur dig in Niger, Africa (see the original here). If you look at a blow-up of the doctored image, the skull appears flattened and unnatural (and one of the workers actually appears to be standing on it!).

Moreover, the same cut-and-pasted skull was used to create image #2 (see side-by-side comparison). A blow-up of image #2 with brightness and contrast enhanced reveals unnaturally dark “shadows” around the skull. The skull in Image #3 is marked by incongruously bright highlights on the teeth and around the edges of the gaping temple wound. And in image #5 the shadows coming off the skeleton fall more or less toward the camera, while the worker’s shadow falls due left, suggesting that elements of two different photos were combined.

Finally, despite frequent references to “giants” in ancient mythology and English translations of the Bible, there is no generally accepted scientific or historical evidence that such beings ever actually existed (unless you consider the Weekly World News a reliable source).

See here for more giant skeletons pictures and why they are a hoax as well:  http://yowcrooks.blogspot.com/2008/12/giant-skeleton-hoax.html

3)  A greater understanding of Jude 5-10:

  • And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day” (Jude 1:6)

Jude 6 is quoted in support of their theories connecting it to Genesis 6 that angels came down and had relations with women. Once again, there is absolutely nothing in the verse, or the context, that connects it with Genesis 6. There is nothing in the context that gives rise to understand that “not keep(ing) their proper domain” has anything to do with having relations with women. These angels sinned by overstepping their boundaries – that is evident. But what those boundaries were can be any of a hundred things. We just cannot draw connection between Genesis 6 and Jude 6, except that the chapter number is the same as the verse number!

To explain Jude 5 – 8 properly, it contains a number of separate examples of God judging  sin. Just like paprables where there is a central truth and the only connection between the parables is that truth (e.g. That which was lost is found: lost coin, lost sheep, lost son).  Here there are four examples showing the same truth that God judges sin. The examples are: 1) Israel’s unbelief in not crossing into the land, 2) angels who did not keep their proper domain, 3) Sodom and Gomorrah’s sexual sin and 4) false teachers.

If there is a sexual connection between Sodom and the angels (the angels sinned in a sexual way) then there must also be a connection between Sodom and Israel and between Israel and the angels. But that is not the link here.  The link is SIN. In the case of Israel it is unbelief (Hebrews 3 & 4), in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah it is homosexuality and in the case of the angels it was rebellion when Satan was cast down from heaven and 1/3 of the angels followed.

Note that the text must be read in its context and we cannot simply make connections and draw conclusions that are not there. Now concerning the statement “who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode”. People connect that to Sodom and say that this means angels had relations with women. But we need to examine the statement carefully. The first word “proper domain” according to Thayer means:

– Original: oiketerion
– Transliteration: Arche
– Phonetic: ar-khay’
– Definition:
1.  beginning, origin
2.  the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader
3.  that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause
4.  the extremity of a thing
a.  of the corners of a sail
5.  the first place, principality, rule, magistracy
a.  of angels and demons

Note the word is “Arche” from which we get “arch-enemy”, “arch-rival” etc. This has nothing to do with sexual orientation but with primacy, authority etc. The second is “abode”. This is also a very common word: (oiketerion) which simply means house, habitation or abode.The verse then teaches that the angels did not remain in their proper authority and left their place. This could be construed to mean they had relations with the daughters of men. But it forces and construes a meaning that is NOT obvious to the sentence.

A more natural interpretation is that the angels rebelled against God’s authority at the very beginning when Satan was cast out of heaven and left their place in the order and hierarchy of God. The English Standard version (ESV) is one of the best translations available. The ESV has the verse as follows:  “And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day-

This is supported by June 9-10 which speaks about false preachers who do not know their proper place when dealing with the Devil and demons (and yes, Satan is a “dignitary”  – powerful person.

What we do not know is why some of these angels (demons) were chained in the “abyss” and others were left to roam the earth. We can only surmise that some sinned more grievously than others. But it also seems that the Lord can (and probably does) throw more of them into the abyss for whatever reason:

  • Luke 8:30-32   30 Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him. 31 And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss.  32 Now a herd of many swine was feeding there on the mountain. So they begged Him that He would permit them to enter them. And He permitted them.

  Now for Jude 7:  The cities around them refers to Admah and Zeboim:  

  • Deuteronomy 29:23  “And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath:”
  • Hosea 11:8  “How shall I give thee up, Ephraim? how shall I deliver thee, Israel? how shall I make thee as Admah? how shall I set thee as Zeboim? mine heart is turned within me, my repentings are kindled together.”

The words “similar manner to these” can only refer to the most recently mentioned subjects – the cities. There is no way, at all that it can refer to the Angels. No language works like that.

When we say “Tom went to church and John went to the mall and Jerry went to the beach and he got sunburned.” The “he” can only refer to the most recent subject – Jerry.

So the meaning is very clear and obvious that Sodom and Gomorrah gave themselves over to immorality and Admah and Zeboim did likewise. There is no other possibility.The problem here is that it all begins with a bad exegesis is Genesis 6. If you read Genesis 6 to mean that Angels had relations with women (and reject the words of Jesus that they cannot) then you have to find further support. Once you have jumped to that conclusion, it is easy to misread and misinterpret Jude 6 & Jude 7. But if you do not make assumptions about relations between angels and women, then there is no way you can read that into Jude. So, you have to force the meaning of Gen 6 and then you have to force the meaning of Jude 6 to come to a conclusion.

source:  http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/09/06/the-truth-about-the-sons-of-god-the-daughters-of-men-and-the-nephilim/

Alien Encounter -Chuck Missler

Some false teaching by Chuck Missler.

‘And Also After That’:

The Return of the Nephilim?

by Chuck Missler – September 1997 Personal Update NewsJournal.

In the last article, “Mischievous Angels or Sethites?” we explored the importance of understanding Genesis 6. The straightforward presentation of the text seems to clearly portray a strange union of fallen angels with women to produce a hybrid race called the “Nephilim,” or fallen ones.  [Emphasis added]

[DTW NOTE:  The straightforward presentation of the text clearly states that it was the marriages of the seed of godly Seth with the daughters of ungodly Cain. Not angels with women.]

We enumerated the reasons we accept the “angel” view and why the liberal “Sethite” view is inadequate.

[DTW note:  Oh so you do not accept the Sethite view simply because then you can’t make up a whole new false doctrine.]

Far beyond simply a misunderstanding of the forthright presentation of the text, the “Sethite” view also obscures apprehension of the prophetic Scriptures.

Post-Flood Occurrences

Regarding the Nephilim, Genesis 6:4 also includes the haunting phrase, “…and also after that….” Apparently these strange events were not confined just to the period before the Flood.  [Emphasis added]

[DTW note:  Nothing haunting about it, the fact is people turned wickedly evil again after the flood.]

We find that there seems to be some recurrence of those things which resulted in unusual “giants” appearing in subsequent periods later in the Old Testament narrative, specifically the giant-races of Canaan.    [Emphasis added]

There were a number of tribes such as the Rephaim, the Emim, the Horim, and Zamsummim, that were giants.1 The kingdom of Og, the King of Bashan, was the “land of the giants.”2 Later, we also find Arba,3 Anak, and his seven sons (the “Anakim”) also as giants, along with the famed Goliath4 and his four brothers.5    

[DTW note:  Unusual giants, yes, but not demonic Nephilim.  None of the verses state that the tribes of Rephaim, Emim, Horim and Zamsummin were demonic Nephilim.  King Og was a giant, Arba was a giant, Anak and his seven sons were also Giants and so was Goliath and his 4 brothers.  What is a giant?  A very big person.  Not a demonic offspring.  Moses was big enough himself that he could smite them and cast giants out of their own land.  (Joshua 13:12)  “All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.”]

When God had revealed to Abraham that the land of Canaan was to be given to him, Satan had over 400 years to plant his “mine field” of Nephilim!6

[DTW note:  Again he is surmising and reading into the scripture what is NOT THERE.

  • Genesis 15:13;  13  And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years

All this means is that the Israelites are going a land that belongs to them, but they will for 400 hundred years have to serve the current inhabitants of the land.  So they will be a stranger in their own land.  No where does it say anything about Nephilim.]

When Moses sent his twelve spies to reconnoiter the Land of Canaan, they came back with the report of giants in the land.7 (The term used was Nephilim.) Their fear of those terrifying creatures resulted in their being relegated to wandering in the wilderness for 38 years.

[DTW note:   No the term Nephilim was NOT USED.  My goodness.  Lets have a look at the verse.

Below we are looking at the KJV 1611 translation and not some other funky version like Chuck Misslers Blue letter bible which puts in words that should not be there.

  • Numbers 13:33  “And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.”

The name Anak is derived from the son of Arba who was a great man among the Arabians (Jos 15:14) who possibly got his title because he used to wear a chain or splendid collar around his neck.    The word “giant” here in the above scripture actually refers to STATURE ( See Genesis 6:4).  The Anakims were more than likely a very distinguished family, or a chosen group of warriors, selected for their extraordinary size.

When the Israelites came back to report to Moses they exaggerated the physical strength of the Canaanites.  “We were in our own sight as grasshoppers” is based on ‘strong Orientalism’, meaning this is how they would described the situation in their manner, their mannerism.]

When Joshua and the nation Israel later entered the land of Canaan, they were instructed to wipe out every man, woman and child of certain tribes.8 That strikes us as disturbingly severe. It would seem that in the Land of Canaan, there again was a “gene pool problem.”   [Emphasis added]

[DTW note:  No, it’s not a ‘gene pool problem’, but a ‘wickedness of mankind problem‘.  The Canaanites were idolaters of the worst kind, enslaved to the most horrible sins.  God had enough; that the righteous judgment of God might sweep them away by the sword, this included famines and pestilences. There was however mercy shown, that while judgment was being employed by sword as punishment against one place, time was afforded for others at other places to repent.  Do you think God would offer demonic offspring time to repent? A gene-pool that has ‘lost it’s soul‘ through demonic intercourse time to repent?   No.  Because this gene pool/demonic offspring story is a load of nonsense. ]

These Rephaim, Nephilim, and others seem to have been established as an advance guard to obstruct Israel’s possession of the Promised Land. Was this also a stratagem of Satan?   [Emphasis added]

[DTW note:  No Chuck Missler, you have an active imagination.  No demonic beings, no obstruction, just wicked people that had the opportunity to repent, other wise God would smite them down with the sword, which he did because of their wicked ways.]

The Days of Noah

Perhaps the most direct prophetic reference involving these things was the peculiar warning of our Lord Jesus Himself:  And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.   [Emphasis added]

Luke 17:26

What does that mean? He also warned:

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.    [Emphasis added]

Luke 21:25,26 (emphasis added)

(The late Walter Martin loved to include a “flying saucer” gesture with his hand when quoting this verse!)

Is it possible that the UFOs – and their occupants – are part of an end-time scenario?

[DTW note:  Lets have a look at that verse properly shall we.

  • Luke 21:25-26 – Amplified Bible (AMP)  25 And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars; and upon the earth [there will be] distress (trouble and anguish) of nations in bewilderment and perplexity without resources, left wanting, embarrassed, in doubt, not knowing which way to turn] at the roaring (the echo) of the tossing of the sea,   26 Men swooning away or expiring with fear and dread and apprehension and expectation of the things that are coming on the world; for the [very] powers of the heavens will be shaken and caused to totter.

Chuck Missler mis-reads the verse.  If we look at the Amplified bible it helps us explain it better. Men are fearful and apprehensive and their expectation is dread because they do not know what kinds of things going to come onto the world.  And ‘things’ in this verse is not ‘aliens or demons’.  There is a semicolon in the verse, and after this semicolon it tells us these things are.  The powers of the heavens will be shaken and caused to totter.]

The Miry Clay of Daniel 2

The famous dream of Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel Chapter 2 appears to lay out all of Gentile history until God ultimately intervenes and sets up His own kingdom.

The various metals which make up the image in the dream are well known to serious students of prophecy.9> Even our common expression, “the idol has feet of clay,” comes to us from this classic passage.

But what is represented by the “miry clay” in this image? It seems to be strangely mixed-but not completely-with the iron in the dream. The term “miry clay” refers to clay made from dust,10 a Biblical idiom which suggests death.11 )

When Daniel interprets this for us he makes an especially provocative allusion in verse 43:

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.    [Emphasis added]

Daniel 2:43

As he switches to a personal pronoun, they, “shall mingle themselves with the seed of men…”  This is extremely suggestive when viewed in light of the warning of our Lord in Luke 17:26, ostensibly directing us to look more closely at Genesis 6.

Just what (or who) are “mingling with the seed of men?” These would seem to refer to some beings who are not the seed of men themselves!

Could this be a hint of a return to the mischief of Genesis 6? It staggers the mind to consider the potential significance of Daniel’s passage and its implications for the future global governance.

Are these “aliens” so prolific that they constitute a political constituency?

Will there be UFO incidents as part of a carefully orchestrated program to lead us toward a political agenda? Or has it started already? Are the UFOs, and the increasingly widespread abductions, part of the preparations for this scenario?

[DTW note:  No Mr Missler.  Again you twist scripture to suit your own purposes.  Let’s look at this verse properly shall we…

  • Daniel 2:43  Amplified Bible (AMP)  43 And as you saw the iron mixed with miry and earthen clay, so they shall mingle themselves in the seed of men [in marriage bonds]; but they will not hold together [for two such elements or ideologies can never harmonize], even as iron does not mingle itself with clay.

The last re-establishment of the Roman Empire is described as iron mixed with miry clay, which is nothing but brittle pottery.  This speaks of the attempted UNION between imperialism and democracy.  In the end this Roman Empire so easily shattered when Jesus Christ returns.]

UFO Abductions?

There seems to be a growing concern within the psychiatric community from the strange (and far too frequent) reports from people who claim to have been “abducted” by the occupants of UFOs. These reports are too bizarre to accept, and yet too frequent-and consistent-to ignore. What is particularly disturbing is the estimate from some national polls that as much as 3% of the population may be involved!

Perhaps the most well-known researcher in this area is Dr. John E. Mack, who is professor of psychiatry at The Cambridge Hospital, Harvard Medical School. A contributor to over 150 articles in professional (peer-reviewed) journals and a former Pulitzer Prize winner, he certainly appears to have impressive credentials.

He has been involved in almost a hundred of these cases personally, and has shocked the professional community by declaring that he believes these beings may be real and that they appear to have an agenda to develop a hybrid race!12

At a professional conference on abductions at M.I.T., Dr. Mack asked the provocative question, “If what these abductees are saying is happening to them isn’t happening, then what is?”13

Could all this involve a return to the strange events of “the Days of Noah?”

[DTW note:  Demons exist and people who have had these abduction experiences have experienced, just that, an altered state of consciousness where they have come face to face with demonic entities who create a reality for them that seems so real.  The exact same can be said of someone who experiences a ‘trip to heaven’, they see, touch, taste and smell ‘heaven or hell’ but it’s not real.]

Can A Christian Be “Abducted?”

In our publication, The Return of the Nephilim, I ventured the opinion, based on demonology considerations, that a Christian cannot be abducted. In response, I have received several letters of rebuttal, and also an interesting phone call from a senior executive at Universal Studios who apparently has extensive background in this area.

He indicated that he had participated with Dr. John Mack in some of his sessions, as well as with other researchers, and declared that I was wrong. He suggested that I investigate the Andreasson affair.

The Andreasson case involved a spirit-filled Christian; however, the reports indicate that she accepted an invitation to participate.14 It still appears to me that a Christian cannot be abducted unwillingly.

This opens up the entire subject of demonology and is beyond our scope here. (Our book does include a “Checklist for Potential Abductees” for those who are concerned with this issue.)   [Emphasis added]

[DTW note:  NEVER.  A genuine Born Again Christian will NEVER be abducted, EVER.  Chuck Missler’s theology leaves little to be desired as he is a Dominionist, so I would not for one second believe him when he says the person in The Andreasson case was a genuine believer.]

Dr. Mark Eastman and I have just published a new book, “Alien Encounters.”

Which attempts to explore the Biblical implications of the increasing reports of UFOs and their occupants, and their potential prophetic significance.

It will prove to be the most controversial thing we have done and we truly request your prayers!  [Emphasis added]

source: http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/22/


Jacob Prasch does not like to be questioned and he attacks in the most brutal of manner.  Where as I question a person’s doctrine, Jacob Prasch and those at Moriel Ministries (who support him) go for the jugular vein, attack you personally and threaten you.

Please read the following articles where I question Preasch doctrine, please read the comments BY Jacob Pracsh himself:  Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash Way,  Jacob Prasch the Railer,  Moriel Ministries and MIDRASHJacob Prasch – But By The Grace of God [those Calvinists] . . . Tell The Truth!


NOTES

  1.  Genesis 14:5; 15:20; Deuteronomy 2:10-12, 22.
  2. Deuteronomy 3:11, 13; Joshua 12:4;13:12.
  3. Joshua 14:15; 15:13; 21:11.
  4. 1 Samuel 17:4ff.
  5. 2 Samuel 21:16-22.
  6. Genesis 15:13-21.
  7. Numbers 13:33.
  8. 8. Joshua 6:21; 9:24; 10:28, 39; 11:24; Deut 2:34; 7:2, 3; 20:16-17; et al. Cf. 1 Sam 15:3, 8, 18, 19; Ps 137:8, 9.
  9. See our briefing package Iron Mixed With Clay (out of print – see An Empire Reborn?)for a complete discussion.
  10. Mire [Aramaic in the text] is from a root meaning to be swept away; thus, dust, dirt.
  11. Rephaim (giants) also translated “dead”: Ps 88:10; Prov 2:18; 9:18; 21:16; Isa 14:9; 26:14.
  12. John E. Mack, Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens, Ballantine Books, NY, 1994, p.411.
  13. C.D.B. Bryan, Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind: Alien Abduction, UFOs, and the Conference at M.I.T., Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1995, p.4.
  14. Jim Marrs, Alien Agenda, HarperCollins Publishers, New York, p.213-218.



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Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

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  1. Carolyn says:

    Update: Was just reading: http://herescope.blogspot.ca/2012/07/the-serpent-seed-nephilim.html

    Here is an excerpt:

    “This Manifested Sons of God false teaching that the “church as the incarnation of God, will manifest Christ on earth” means that the church becomes Christ—takes the place of Christ upon the earth. If so, then there would then be no purpose for Christ to return. The church would wield the same power, sovereignty and authority on earth as the Lord Jesus Christ, in His physical absence. This blasphemous doctrine becomes important as we continue to examine the “Serpent Seed” heresy. And it may explain why the focus has shifted to the return of the Nephilim instead of the return of Jesus Christ.”

    I’m trying to see where I fit into this “giant” (pardon the pun) paradigm.

    The Serpent Seed heresy, is of course, just that, heresy…ridiculous heresy!!!

    The Nephillum are giants. Everyone agrees on that.

    But who are the giants?

    Apparently, I am not alone as I have been caught up in this theory of fallen angel speculation. I was going with the Pre-millenial paradigm but even in that area, there has arisen a confusing spectrum of disagreement, according to this article by Gaylene Goodroad. So now we appear to have at the next prophecy conference in Colorado Springs a mixture of everything from Dominionism to Serpent Seed doctrine. I thought I was confused before.

    Actually, I’m not confused. I still believe in Premillenium, Pretribulation doctrine. And the rest of the contrived doctrines I will leave entangled in the spidery webs they came from ie. William Branham, Aimee Semple McPherson, Tom Horn and Chuck Missler, etc. For myself, I will continue to read and believe the Word.

    Stay safe, everyone…Christ is coming soon. Of that we are sure.
    Ephesians 4:14
    That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

    **I’m not saying that everyone in the prophecy camp is wrong. But there is such a mixture among them, that we must test the spirits and be discerning.

  2. Carolyn says:

    This excerpt is found in the concluding thoughts of an expanded commentary by Gaylene Goodroad on the Serpent Seed. It is a commentary on Genesis 3:14,15 by Matthew Henry and brings us back down to earth. When I first began to look at the other side of Genesis 6…as in the Days of Noah, I thought it was just one little isolated doctrine of little import on the whole of eschatology. I’m seeing instead, that it is a pervasive leaven. It’s important to see where this doctrine ends up, not just where it begins….

    http://apprising.org/2012/07/23/the-serpent-seed-the-nephilim/

    The truth:

    “Note these precious truths from Genesis 3:15 explained by esteemed Bible commentator Matthew Henry centuries ago—truths betrayed and forsaken by those preaching the “Serpent Seed” heresy. Genesis 3:14-15 is all about JESUS, our Redeemer!

    3:14, 15 God passes sentence; and he begins where the sin began, with the serpent. The devil’s instruments must share in the devil’s punishments. Under the cover of the serpent, the devil is sentenced to be degraded and accursed of God; detested and abhorred of all mankind: also to be destroyed and ruined at last by the great Redeemer, signified by the breaking of his head. War is proclaimed between the Seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. It is the fruit of this enmity, that there is a continual warfare between grace and corruption, in the hearts of God’s people. Satan, by their corruptions, buffets them, sifts them, and seeks to devour them. Heaven and hell can never be reconciled, nor light and darkness; no more can Satan and a sanctified soul. Also, there is a continual struggle between the wicked and the godly in this world. A gracious promise is here made of Christ, as the Deliverer of fallen man from the power of Satan.Here was the dawn of the gospel day: no sooner was the wound given, than the remedy was provided and revealed. This gracious revelation of a Saviour came unasked, and unlooked for. Without a revelation of mercy, giving some hope of forgiveness, the convinced sinner would sink into despair, and be hardened. By faith in this promise, our first parents, and the patriarchs before the flood, were justified and saved. Notice is given concerning Christ.1. His incarnation, or coming in the flesh. It speaks great encouragement to sinners, that their Saviour is the Seed of the woman, bone of our bone, Heb 2:11,14.
    2. His sufferings and death; pointed at in Satan’s bruising his heel, that is, his human nature. And Christ’s sufferings are continued in the sufferings of the saints for his name. The devil tempts them, persecutes and slays them; and so bruises the heel of Christ, who is afflicted in their afflictions. But while the heel is bruised on earth, the Head is in heaven.
    3. His victory over Satan thereby. Christ baffled Satan’s temptations, rescued souls out of his hands. By his death he gave a fatal blow to the devil’s kingdom, a wound to the head of this serpent that cannot be healed. As the gospel gains ground, Satan falls.[17] [bold added]

    “…to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.”
    ~ Acts 26:18”

    Ancient Chinese Proverb by Carolyn says: Take the Word seriously…or you will be seriously “taken” for a ride….

  3. Carolyn says:

    The thing that scares me about Jacob Prasch more than even the Nephillum teaching is the Hebrew Roots teaching. Now there is a diabolical evil that has come rolling into the Christian camp like a 100 pound bowling ball that takes everything out in its pathetic distortion of truth.

    http://www.SeekGod.ca/hr/hrfaqs.htm#hebraic

  4. shane says:

    Carolyn,
    What is so wrong with Hebrew roots? I myself am a gentile having been grafted (wild branch)into the natural branch (Romans 11). We are one in Jesus. Great blessings were poured out onto the early church because jew and gentile were in one accord. For myself the revelation of the coming rapture and second coming is hidden in plain sight when one studies the jewish wedding! The messianic churches do not require gentiles to become jews. They are jews who love Jesus ( Yeshua) as their messiah and welcome all who would like to worship in their cultural context. Do not let one bad apple spoil the bunch. May Jesus continually bless you with love and revelation of His will and His name be glorified in all the earth!!!!

  5. Redeemed says:

    Shane, one concern I have about the Messianic fellowships that I know of is that they hold to Sabbath worship. This sets them apart from the greater Body of Christ and is clinging to the Law.

    Also, there is a much attention to Jewish tradition and some hold to Torah Law. Everything has to have a Jewish flavor.

    Yes, we can see the fulfillment of prophecy and how Jesus is seen throughout the Old Testament and the Jewish wedding is a wonderful picture of the Lord’s return for His Bride.

    But the Jewish Roots movement overemphasizes and thereby sets themselves apart from the Body of Christ by having their own special churches.
    This is the very thing that Paul took Peter to task over – separation between Jew and Gentile. Jesus said that we are to be one Body. Jewish Roots carves out their own little niche.

    I have personally seen people get off into some very unsound teaching through people in this type of movement.

  6. Carolyn says:

    @ Shane: re comment #34. Great blessings were poured out onto the early church because Christ died for their sins and there was now no difference between Jew and Gentile. They were all one in Christ.

    The Hebrew Roots are trying to bring Gentiles into bondage to Jewish culture, language and law.

    You said: “The messianic churches do not require gentiles to become jews.” And I say that the moon is made of blue cheese, the Mormon Jesus didn’t come from the planet Kolob, Roman Catholics do not revere Mary and Adventists don’t follow the teachings of Ellen G. White.

    If you think there isn’t more to Hebrew Roots movements than understanding a little bit of their culture such as the Jewish Wedding, you are either hiding something or they are….because like every other cult, they begin with a bit of truth and lead you into falsehood. I was in SDA(Seventh Day Adventist) for a while and their opening statement was “salvation is faith in Christ by grace….but” They had me at “grace” and I missed the “but”. Then they proceeded to entangle me in the law.

    There is a lot out there to help you understand what you are getting yourself into if you are a serious contender for the faith once for all delivered. If you simply want to follow a nice little Messianic group…then I can’t help you. Keeping in mind that there are many variations of the movement, they do have some common features which you will find covered in this article.

    Excerpt from: http://www.angelfire.com/la/jlush/dangersHRM.html

    Titus 1:14 says not to give heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, for those that do have turned from the truth.

    I believe the Hebrew Roots organizations have become the modern equivalent of the Judaisers who followed the Apostle Paul from city to city, spying on the NT believers’ liberty in Christ and striving to pervert the Gospel and cause confusion among the Early Christians. When these Judaisers sought to draw the Christians of the Galatian church back under the Judaic Religious System, Paul warned the Galatian church to not give credence to their arguments for they were perverting the Gospel of Christ.

    Instead of Christ alone, the HRM and Messianic Jewish Movement over-balance into the religion that they have never really left! They cannot grasp that ALL is fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ. Not only that, but they want the Christians to embrace the O.T. Jewish religious beliefs, ordinances, and traditions that were necessary under the Law as well!

    *******

    And from: http://www.raptureready.com/rap40f.html

    this excerpt: Masquerading in many cases as Messianic Jews, the Hebrew Roots Movement (HRM) groups are too many to count. I have provided links below to many that I have come across. They seem to be gaining momentum and crawling out of the woodwork, and I can only speculate who is kicking their proverbial anthill.

    Hyper-Hebrew groups vary like snowflakes when it comes to their beliefs and doctrines, but I have noticed a theme to which they, for the most part, adhere.”

    As well, he has linked to some of the major HRM cults.

    Attention to detail is necessary if you want to remain rooted in the Truth. There’s always someone looking to draw disciples after themselves and away from Christ. There is one Truth and many variations of the Lie.

  7. Mark Purchase says:

    The article above makes interesting reading.

    Missler has just moved to my country to live. Hope one day to meet him. As I have some views myself about the sexy angels nonsense as well –

  8. Redeemed says:

    Mark Purchase wrote:

    The article above makes interesting reading.
    Missler has just moved to my country to live. Hope one day to meet him. As I have some views myself about the sexy angels nonsense as well –

    Why in the world would you want to meet Mr. Missler? Unless you are a fan of his.

  9. Larry H says:

    Deborah, I am sorry if I offended you, but I just had to let you know how your blog affected to me. I am sure you are a devoted Christian, and would do anything to serve the Lord Jesus Christ. I know you are trying to do the right thing. If we are trying to help others we need to be very humble at how we go about it. I know I wasn’t humble in addressing you earlier, forgive me. I was just trying to let you see another side of the issue. Jesus was very tender toward those without knowledge, but He was sometimes very harsh with those who should have known. None of us know exactly what God has laid out in specific situations, that is why we live a life of faith and love toward others and ourselves. We are going to make mistakes, but we are still loved. You have a marvelous blog here, an excellent opportunity to lovingly gather brothers and sisters all over the world for reproof and love. Maybe Jacob and Chuck, like the rest of us, make some mistakes in how they react sometimes, but by and large they are trying to promote the love of Christ to anyone and everyone who will listen. I love them both. So maybe Jacob comes off a little strong sometimes, but I am sure he gets beat down plenty by Satan and unbelievers. Let us please not fight among ourselves. Christ gave His Life for us, not so we could fight each other, but so we could love each other and Him. God bless you and what you are trying to do in your heart for Christ, He knows your heart and only He can help us all.

  10. Larry H

    Thing that gets me is that you judge me through a PC screen, you take my words (add your EMOTIONS to them) and judge my heart. The fact of the matter is this, I love EVERYONE enough to sit here day in and day out and be insulted day in and day out. Chuck and Jacob, don’t make mistakes, preaching a false gospel and being told you are wrong and then carry on doing it is called SINNING.
    When I make a mistake and I am told about it (it happens a few times on this website) I apologise profusely, fix the problem, let people know the truth and so on and so on. The Misslers and Praschs of this world do not do that, they instead attack you in the vilest manner as you try to warn the flock of their FALSE ways. I once did a test, for 5 people I added smiley faces to the comment in the hopes that the person would react differently in hearing the truth to the other 5 people’s comment who never got smiley faces. You know what the outcome was? The exact same, all 10 lambased me for being full of hatred! Why? Because of the MESSAGE! That is why. Not the way I said it, but the Message itself is what got to them. Jesus said His Gospel is Hated and those who preach His Gospel TRUTH will be Hated as well. So I sit here an tolerate the abuse because I know sooner or later someone will come along TRULY SEEKING the Gospel and will hear and they will listen to the Holy Spirit speak to them and understand what this blog is all about.

  11. Redeemed says:

    Larry, thanks for coming back. If this was the first time you have seen this blog, I can understand how you might misunderstand the intent and heart behind it.

    You can have no idea of the slander and abuse that Deborah takes and the utter hatred that comes from people. Most people would have thrown up their hands and given up.

    Please look into Prasch and Missler’s teachings with an open mind. No one ever questions Prasch and Missler has his faithful followers. False teaching needs to be called out no matter who does it because we serve God, not man. If one is genuine, they will welcome being told, but usually it is the opposite and like Deborah says, it doesn’t matter how it is said – it is the message that is rejected.

    The Bible tells us to test the spirits and not enough people are doing that these days and there is little or no accountability.

  12. Kim says:

    Very interesting comments. I am in agreement that the nephilim and serpent seed teachings have so infiltrated Christendom that many cannot see the problem with the teachings. I personally have known friends who no longer care about the plain and simple teachings from the Bible. Or they now believe that one has to access books like Jasher and Enoch to find truth. This is Gnostism pure and simple. This is where I get angry with the Prophecy in the New site with Stearman and Horn. They seem like nice men but are false teachers.

    Carolyn I found your information on UFO’s (#29) very interesting. As a young girl, 16, I saw a UFO while walking down the street at night with a friend. It was a beautiful saucer, spinning. We both looked up and saw it. We looked up again and it was gone. The experience mystified me for many years. Then I learned they are demonic.

    I few things then fell into place. The night before, me and my girlfriend had been playing with a Oiuja board and conjured up a spirit. Scared us silly and we didn’t use it again. But something happened that night. I learned that we gave out an invitation for contact. I think there is a danger in delving too deeply into the occult…and that you open up yourself for deception.

  13. Carolyn says:

    Kim…yes, “an invitation for contact”…that’s such a good phrase. Without a doubt, the Ouija Board is a point of contact. We do these things so innocently and if it wasn’t for God’s protection…I have felt evil a few times in my life and for me it has stimulated my pain sensors something like the element on a hot stove. Don’t touch that again!!!!

    My radar is up with Prophecy in the News. I’ve had my guard up for a while now as I find some books/teachings crossing the line into hardcore occult…usually in the name of research, but there’s a bit of “let’s get the popcorn out” and settle back to watch the video production or read the book. Make yourself comfortable.

    Indoctrination is a subtle thing. It is easy to become the frog in the kettle…I share your concern especially for those not rooted in the Scripture; that the thirst for knowledge of supernatural elements, angels, portals, UFOs as well as the forbidden occult knowledge and doctrines of demons could well be creating a desire for other than a love of the truth. These extra biblical sources can end up being channels for deception. The question must be asked, what are we most thirsty for? Living Water or something else? Are we developing an appetite for sensationalism and the perverse?

    Yes, I see this mixture with the occult is diluting the enthusiasm for Just the Word, the Life Giving, Energizing, Thirst Quenching, Sin Exposing, Life Transforming, Hope Giving, Faith Building, Love Generating Truth! That’s the only Alien life form I want to encounter….the alien (me) that’s just passing through…

  14. Carolyn says:

    http://www.lionheartministries.org/calendar_conf_NephilimAgenda.php ok…this is too much…nephilim mounds conferences!!!

    The people that are talking about the Nephilim these days are sensationalizing evil…don’t read anything on these sites…this is just an example of where these extreme teachings are originating…With Randy DeMain, LA Marzulli, and Russ Dizdar taking their audience from extreme prophetic to extreme darkness….

    promotes Patricia King and XP Media/Ministries

    http://www.shatterthedarkness.net/ exposing darkness…to the extreme

    It’s a departure from the faith….and a frightening scenario of the blending of end times prophetic research and NAR.

  15. Denis says:

    The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and unto our children for ever.( kjv)
    we are told that we are the salt of the earth and the light of the world.
    THE WORLD IS WATCHING US.

  16. Denis

    >> The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and unto our children for ever.( kjv)
    we are told that we are the salt of the earth and the light of the world.
    THE WORLD IS WATCHING US.

    Errrr, what are you speaking about?
    We are currently in an APOSTASY unlike the world has ever seen where the world has turned to a false Christianity, the world is not watching us, GOD IS WATCHING YOU to see which master you chose to follow, a false Christ or Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God.

  17. peter says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    This is what the BIBLE (not Jacob) says in Gen 6:7:
    “So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” and again in verse 13:
    “So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.”
    The Bible then goes on to give a very clear account how everyone and everything was destroyed by the flood except those in the ark.
    The Nephilim WERE NOT in the ark!!!
    “Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Lend me your ears! Jacob Prasch; The Nephilim WERE NOT in the ark!” says Deborah with loud speaker

    that may be true, but the wives of Noah’s sons could have carried their seed; how would you explain that they were present even after the flood?

  18. peter

    >> that may be true, but the wives of Noah’s sons could have carried their seed; how would you explain that they were present even after the flood?

    No peter, that would mean they were pregnant when they were on the ark and that means that they were not God fearing people. Noak and his family were God fearing people that is why God spared their lives. My goodness read your bible please.

  19. John Chingford says:

    Peter

    Why did God bring the flood on the Earth?

    Genesis 6:4-7 tells us why. Specifically verses 5-7:

    “Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”

    In the verses prior it is clear why God needed to destroy them. the Nephilim were a prime example. If God only saved six it was because only these were found righteous in God’s sight and worthy to recommence the repopulation of the earth. Do you really think God would have accepted any woman who carried the perverted seed?

    Yes, we are told that the Nephilim appeared afterwards. Well (as usual) it doesn’t take long for humans (who contain a sinful nature) to spread the sinful nature within their children. Their seed is not the Nephilim seed but simply the Adamic seed of sinful nature which becomes more and more corrupt with every succeeding generation. It was just inevitable that eventually the sin would become so dire again that giants of sin would re-emerge again. Nowhere are we told that “sons of god” came back again. Everything EVERYTHING was destroyed in the flood apart from what was left in the ark. the Nephilim WERE NOT in the ark!!!

  20. S.E.Brown says:

    Carolyn wrote:

    Debs, I admit to having studied this area mostly from the bias of the teaching on angels leaving their first estate, giants being the product of an uncommon union in a Satanic attempt to corrupt the image of God in man. Frankly, I see it that way but I’ve been wrong once before in my life….. soooooooo, it’s possible that there might be a second time….
    I regard the whole thing as in the realm of speculation and I really dislike the idea of how far they are taking this study…away from Scriptural boundaries into forbidden areas. I understand they are for the reason of research, but focusing our attention on alien abductions and how portals are generated gives me the creeps. I think we can use a bit of insight into secret societies and the use of the occult for the purpose of comparing error with truth, and exposing the wickedness of these teachings but to write books on the stuff, goes beyond creepy.
    The study of Scripture is a full time occupation for believers. Do we really have time to go beyond the boundaries of what is written into areas that have nothing to do with our walk with the Lord? One has to question the motives of such spiritual meanderings.

    Carolyn- I find myself in agreement with what you have said here. I’ve always read God’s Word, and taken it at “Face Value”, only doing a deeper study when something truly stirred my spirit to pursue the subject further. There’s a saying about Biblical interpretation that goes something like this: “If (in the WRITTEN WORD)common sense makes sense, we need no further sense.” I agree.

    I’ve ALWAYS believed that the fallen angels, called “watchers”(“sons of God”), TRESPASSED the boundaries God had placed on them, and did indeed take from among human women(“the daughters of men”) WIVES for themselves, and that CHILDREN were born of these unions:

    Gen 6:4 ” There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

    **If THIS^^^ were NOT TRUE, then the Bible would say:”…when the SONS of MEN came in unto the DAUGHTERS of MEN, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”**

    NO! God makes a POINT here, one which captures the attention of any serious student of His Word! HE says that there were GIANTS in those days, and after, because of the union of fallen angels and human woman.
    We also see that not only were these fallen angels wicked and REBELLIOUS against God, but ALSO their “progeny” helped spread this WICKEDNESS throughout the whole known world of humans in Noah’s day, thus God intended to destroy ALL humanity AND the animals!

    These fallen angels were LIMITED in number, and Satan INTENDED to use them to DESTROY the coming Messianic line of humans. Also, I believe that Satan’s original rebellion began the moment he found out that God intended for ALL humans to be “HIGHER than the angels”, and to “RULE over them in time”- he was going to have NONE of that-his PRIDE would NEVER allow it! That’s why he “tricked” Eve and then Adam into giving over the “Title Deed” to planet earth, which God had given to Adam! The “Scroll” with the SEALS that Jesus Christ opens in Revelation Ch.6 IS THAT VERY “Title Deed”!!!!

    I DO BELIEVE that ALL humans (“hybrid” and otherwise) along with ALL the animals, PERISHED in the Great Flood, EXCEPT for Noah,his wife, their 3 sons and their wives, and all of the animals that GOD brought into the Ark for His Salvation, and to “start over” with that one FAITHFUL & OBEDIENT man, Noah, and his family.

    We KNOW from the Book of Jude that these disobedient and wicked “Watcher” fallen angels are NOW being held in “everlasting chains under darkness”:
    Jud 1:6 “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
    Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    They EXISTED,they SINNED, and they HAD WICKED CHILDREN with human woman,and they ARE BEING PUNISHED by God, and we KNOW this, because God tells us so in His Word!

    The OTHER subject:”Satan’s Seed”- There ARE SONS of Satan! The Bible calls them “Sons of Belial”. I do believe that ALL angels have the ability to procreate, and that they are ALL MALE, which means that they can ONLY produce MALE children, since GOD is their Father, and they have NO mother. Their chromosones are totally MALE.

    Now, as to Eve & Satan- I KNOW that they did NOT have sexual relations, because God’s Word tells us that the “SEDUCTION” was purely with WORDS-the Original LIE of Satan that he uses to this day to lead humans to Hell:…”ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil”…Man’s PRIDEFUL quest for KNOWLEDGE & the POWER that comes from it is what leads so MANY to perdition, because they THINK they KNOW BETTER than GOD what is “good” for them!

    Furthermore, God’s Word tells us clearly and plainly that Cain and Abel were BOTH of them the OFFSPRING of the union of ADAM and Eve:
    Gen 4:1 ” And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
    Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.”

    When Jesus said that we would be as the angels in Heaven, neither marrying, nor giving in marriage, I personally believe that He meant that those angels in Heaven were OBEDIENT to their Father God, that He NEVER intended for them to procreate, and that it was FORBIDDEN to them to have carnal relations with ANY human being. The Bible never says that they were “GENDERLESS”!

    As to “the return of the Nephilim” in these Last Days and during the Tribulation, and all of the FOCUS & SPECULATION that Prasch,Missler,Mike Hoggard,L.A.Marzulli,Tom Horn, ad NAUSEUM put on these things and make “MEGA BUCK$” off books & videos from PURE “Human VAIN Imaginings”, God’s Word does NOT address it.

    The only “glimpse” we have regarding demonic and Satanic activity is the antichrist,the false prophet, “Mystery,Babylon the Great, the Mother of all harlots(the soon-coming One World Religion{“Bride of Satan}”, and the “locusts” released from the Abyss, and actually, MOST of the Trib. will be FILLED with Satanic activity as JUDGMENT from GOD & The Lamb on this whole Christ-rejecting,EVIL-loving world! We are NOT to go beyond the BOUNDARIES of God’s Word as His people, because we LOVE and are OBEDIENT to His BELOVED Son!

    The Book of Revelation IMPLIES that by the time The Millenial Reign of our Lord Jesus Christ is OVER, the procreation of the human race will also come to an end. At least that is what I discern from my reading of Revelation. Thereafter comes the Great White Throne Judgment of all the unsaved people of all time past, and they go into their Hellish eternity in The Lake of Fire. We go into our FOREVER Eternity as The Eternal Bride of Christ, ruling and reigning with Him, our BELOVED Bridegroom, FOREVER-AMEN!!

  21. S.E. Brown

    >> I DO BELIEVE that ALL humans (“hybrid” and otherwise) along with ALL the animals, PERISHED in the Great Flood, EXCEPT for Noah,his wife, their 3 sons and their wives, and all of the animals that GOD brought into the Ark for His Salvation, and to “start over” with that one FAITHFUL & OBEDIENT man, Noah, and his family.

    Nope this is not true, because the bible says there were Giants again after the flood, so how is this possible? (see article) Did some survive the flood? No, only Noah and his family survived. So where did these Giants then come from? Did more angels come down and have sexual relations with women? Nope.

    Please read the article for a biblical explanation of the Nephilim and who the sons of God actually were. 🙂

  22. steven says:

    [edited – deleted – please read the article for the truth on the Nephilim]

  23. MARK MURRAY says:

    This entire article isn’t a joke?? Ha I can’t believe you people are arguing over Lucifer and what he’s doing with his domain his kingdom the world. You guys are missing the point. Jesus said in the bible on multiple accounts that his kingdom was not of this world. He’s in it but not of it, we all know as Christians that Lucifer when he became jealous he chose to fall and take 1/3 of the angels with him. Sons of God mean fallen angels. You people actually think every civilization that has myths, stories and legends of Giants are coincidence and just fables of imagination?? What about all the Egyptian hieroglyphs of cross species mixing dogs with humans birds with humans and so on what if those are real accounts of genetic splicing done by fallen angels that the humans of the day worshipped as gods?? Isn’t there a similar scenario in ancient Greek mythology of genetic manipulation?? Isn’t that the main reason God wanted to flood the Earth to wipe clean the atrocities the fallen angels had created?? They [fallen angels] hate God and lucifer seeks to go against God and his plan on a minute by minute basis!? The reason this stuff is so important now a days is technology has progressed to the point where we [humans] are genetically modifying EVERYTHING NOW!! From food to splicing pigs with jelly fish DNA to make them glow. Why bicker with each other of scripture and look at the fact that we ALL WANT TO LIVE AND PROSPER AND SPREAD THE GOOD WORD OF CHRIST AND WHAT HE DID BY COMING TO EARTH AND DYING FOR US SO THAT WE MAY LIVE AND ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD!! I don’t know about you guys or not but I don’t want to be fooled by all these Ancient Alien astronaut theorist that believe ancient aliens influence civilization and maybe potentially planted or genetically modified humans a long time ago and the idea that there is no god. I’m not a hater or anything like that I do believe you have every right to think, say and believe whatever you chose, but I just hate to see Christians fight over this subject?! Thats playing directly into lucifers hands. If you have time look at my blog to help you do some research on the subject and other things. also take some time to look up who Alice Bailey is and who Helena Blavatsky is and what the company is that Mrs. Bailey started in the early part of last century called originally Lucifer Publishing Company then changed it after pressure to Lucis Trust. They are involved heavily with the U.N. from the very beginning creation of the United Nations and are believers of the New Age or Ageless Wisdom philosophies… Then go read Mark 13: Matthew 24:
    Thank you and God Bless all!!

  24. Mark Murray.

    Don’t you think it’s about time you believe Jesus who said:

    For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Matthew 22:30

  25. Mark

    >> I don’t know about you guys or not but I don’t want to be fooled by all these….

    That is weird because based on your comment you are being fooled by rejecting the scriptural relevance of this article and it seems you are quite happy to allow other people to follow after false teaching.

    I am sorry that you would rather believe occult teachings than the simple truth of the bible.

  26. MARK MURRAY says:

    AMEN!!

  27. louise says:

    Oh boy here I go again. In all truth I am one of those who support the theory of the Nephillim……….till now. Out come my old notes and I shall ask God to guide me into all truth. I don’t mind being wrong 1000 times but I just want the truth. Thank you for this article. I need to know from the word for myself what is truth and for awhile I have know that Tom Horn and Chris Putnim are false so yes I shall need to re-address my knowledge on this topic.

  28. Louise wrote:

    Oh boy here I go again. In all truth I am one of those who support the theory of the Nephillim……….till now.

    We should rather support Jesus who said:

    But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: (Luk 20:35)

    Angels – holy and fallen – cannot procreate. So what’s the point in having allegedly taken wives to themselves? Angels are spirit beings. Imagine women having sex with beings they cannot see and saying “Darling, where are you? Are you here? Give me a sign that you are here. Oh there you are, honey. Giggle, giggle, giggle.

    How Christians can believe such nonsense, goes far beyond normal reasoning. But then again, the Bible is always true when it says:

    That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive. (Eph 4:14)

    Some Christians really need some kind of tutorship in married life and what it takes to make a normal marriage work. Not being able to see and touch your spouse is way beyond marital reasoning, as I said, and definitely does not contribute to a happy and successful marriage.

  29. Pat Brown says:

    DTW,who do you believe were the “sons of God” referred to in Genesis 6? I am assuming by your text that we cannot know who they were, only who they were not? Is that correct or have I overlooked something contained in your text?
    Thank you for your faithful commitment to the truth.

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