Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash Way

Shadows of the Beast- Jacob Prasch

Shadows of the Beast:  Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash Way

So I bought the book, “Shadows of the Beast” by Jacob Prasch and didn’t really make it past the Prologue.  I was kinda horrified at a number of things.  I will begin to list them in this article.  To start off with, Jacob Prasch is anti Pre-Tribulational rapture and bases his whole ‘idea‘ on the premise that Jesus won’t come back and Rapture the church until the anti-Christ makes himself known in the middle of the Tribulation.  He uses this verse as his only backup:  (2 Thessalonians 2:3)  “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”

The problem is, Jacob is not telling us the truth, because if you go and read from the beginning of the chapter you find out that Paul is speaking to the Thessalonians, not about the Rapture, but about ‘the day of the Lord’.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1  Now regarding the arrival of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to be with him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2  not to be easily shaken from your composure or disturbed by any kind of spirit or message or letter allegedly from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here.
3  Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not arrive until the rebellion comes and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.

Talking of pre-tribulationists, Jacob Prasch says, “They must also fail to draw due distinction between the Great Tribulation and “the Day of the Lord” which are distinct time periods.”  [pg. 17]     Well I beg to differ.

What exactly is “the day of the Lord'”?  The day of the Lord is The Tribulation made up of two parts;  The Tribulation being first 3.5 years and the Great Tribulation being last 3.5 years, totaling 7 years from start to finish plus Jesus’ Second Coming!

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So what 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is saying is this: The Tribulation aka “the day of the Lord” will not start until the apostasy comes first, and Jesus’ Second Coming (when He sets foot on earth) will not take place until after the anti-Christ has been reveal.

Another way to look at it is that, the Antichrist will be revealed before ‘the day of the Lord’ (or Tribulation stars) but can only be revealed right after the time of the Rapture.

Jacob Prasch says, “The Rapture and Resurrection cannot happen until the “man of lawlessness” is revealed. [pg. 22]   Then he quotes (2 Thessalonians 2:3) “Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come unless the apostasy come first, and the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction.”    He is saying that the word, “it” is the Rapture and Resurrection only.   This is FALSE.  As shown above, it is “the Day of the Lord” which encompasses The Tribulation and Jesus’ Second Coming.

Regarding the Rapture

1 Thessalonians 5:1-6
1 Now on the topic of times and seasons, brothers and sisters, you have no need for anything to be written to you.
2 For you know quite well that the day of the Lord will come in the same way as a thief in the night.
3 Now when they are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction comes on them, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will surely not escape.
4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in the darkness for the day to overtake you like a thief would.
5 For you all are sons of the light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of the darkness.
6 So then we must not sleep as the rest, but must stay alert and sober.

Paul says: (1 Thessalonians 5:1)“But of the times and seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.”  The word time here in Greek means chronos (khron’-os) in which we get the English word chronology.  So, of the general chronology, of this particular time Paul says that no one needs write about it because they have ALREADY been instructed: 1) concerning the general time when Jesus said He would come and 2) concerning the particular time.  So the general time CAN be known, but not the actual time. And this is a FANTASTIC message.

In (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3) Paul says: “For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

Time of Jacob’s trouble

It is IMPORTANT to note that the whole 7 year Tribulation period (also known as “Time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7) is considered a time of JUDGEMENT from God, not just the last 3.5 years which some seem to think.   Judgments will be poured out on earth as the seven-sealed scrolls are opened consecutively by the Lamb.  Judgments of the Seals, Trumpets and plagues GROWS IN INTENSITY, until you reach 2nd half of the tribulation, namely the Great Tribulation which lasts for another 3.5 years, where God’s Wrath is finally poured out IN FULL on mankind.  If Jacob Prasch thinks that the first half of The Tribulation is not part of God’s wrath on earth, then I do not know what bible he is reading.  Maybe he should stop reading extra-biblical books like the Midrash and pay attention to the Word of God alone to get a clue.

So how does the Rapture of the church relate to “the Day of the Lord” which happens before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ by 7 years?  We know that “the Day of the Lord” will come suddenly and unexpectedly like a thief in the night, in other words, The Tribulation starts suddenly and unexpectedly.  And the Rapture of the church MARKS the end of ‘the day of Grace’ and simultaneously MARKS the beginning of the ‘the day of the Lord’.  As soon as the church is removed, the Antichrist is revealed and the trials and tribulations of this world begin in all earnest, the birth pangs are over, the birth begins, and no one can escape it.

1 Thessalonians 5:5-6
5 For you all are sons of the light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of the darkness.
6 So then we must not sleep as the rest, but must stay alert and sober.

Paul tells the born again believers to be alert and sober, to watch for Jesus!

Looking for Satan

We are not to look for Satan as Jacob Prasch want us too, we do not have to identify the him and his False Prophet! Jacob deliberately writes a book twisting scripture trying to cheat saints out of the Blessed Hope. The Bible tells us we are look towards Jesus Christ only and comfort one another with the message that He will return.    (1 Thessalonians 4:1-18)  “15 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.18  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Thessalonians 4:1-18

1  Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
2  For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
3  For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4  That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5  Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
6  That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
7  For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
8  He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
9  But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
10  And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;
11  And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
12  That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.
13  But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15  For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Jacob Prasch mentions many ideas and mis-conceptions in his book that make it sound like Pre-tribulationsists are a bunch of false teachers that need to be dealt with urgently.  I am going to list them and answer them:

1) He makes the statement that “The patriarch of Pre-Tibulationism, Dr. John Walvoord of Dallas Theological Seminary admitted there is no stated biblical passage overtly teaching a Pre-Tribulational position.  Walvoord states, that “the Rapture is between the lines”. [pg. 16]     So because Dr John Walvoord changes his view now we must all fall down and beg for forgiveness because a so called patriach of Pre-Tribulationism says so?  I think not.  Walvoord can change his mind, but the Word of God stays the same.

2) Jacob states that Pre-Tribulationists are against identifying the anti-Christ and this is a BIG problem.  This is news to me, I had no idea that we were against identifying the anti-Christ because the bible tells us that  (1 Thessalonians 5:6) “we must not sleep as the rest, but must stay alert and sober.”    However the bible also does tell us not to focus our attentions on evil things, but to focus our attentions on Jesus Christ.

Colossians 3:1-4
1 If you then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sits on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall you also appear with him in glory.

3) Jacob states; “The Greek term for “tribulation” (thelipsis) and the eschatological testing in Rev. 3:10 are precise synonyms despite linguistic evidence to the contrary.  Jesus in fact informed Christians that they would have tribulation in the world.” [ pg 17]       Oh boy, talk about trying to fool us, do you think we are of low intelligence? Of course Christians will have ‘tribulation’ in this world, but if we look at Revelation 3:10 it talks about the hour of temptation  which refers to THE Tribulation.    (Revelation 3:10)  “10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.    Jacob, should know, being the self proclaimed guru of all guru’s that an ‘hour’ in the Bible, denotes a period of time.  Having “trials and tribulations” is very different from THE Tribulation, a set period of time where God pours out His judgement on the earth for a full 7 years.

Revelation 3:7, 10
7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write the following: “This is the solemn pronouncement of the Holy One, the True One, who holds the key of David, who opens doors no one can shut, and shuts doors no one can open:
10 Because you have kept my admonition to endure steadfastly, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come on the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

The promise of verse 10, like all the promises to these different churches, is for every true child of God“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.  This is the Lord’s own pledge to those who love His Name and seek to keep His Word – they will not be left down here to pass through the appalling tribulation that is just ahead of those who “dwell upon the earth.” This expression is found frequently in the book of Revelation. It does not simply mean those who live in the world. A careful reading of the various passages in which this peculiar term is found will make it clear that “the earth-dwellers” are in contrast to those whose citizenship is in Heaven. They are persons who, while professing to be Christians, refuse the heavenly calling. They prove by their earthly-mindedness and worldly ways that they really belong to this world. All their hopes and their treasures are here. The Lord has said, “Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”  [Emphasis added]   — Dr Henry Ironside

4)  Jacob states that Pre-Tribulationsists flounder because “they equate the removal of the Holy Spirit with the removal of the church.  This is a mistaken eschatology resulting from a mistaken pneumatology; they misunderstand the doctrine of the Holy Spirit, which results in a further miscomprehension of 2 Thessalonians.” [pg. 17]    We misunderstand the doctrine of the Holy Spirit now do we?   No Jacob.  We understand it fine.   It’s Jacob who is making up stories here to fill pages in his book.  Jacob believes that when we say that the Holy Spirit removes the church during the Rapture, he actually thinks we mean the Holy Spirit goes forever, good-bye, and the rest of the people on earth have to make do without Him.  Nope, we know that the Holy Spirit is then poured out as God once again shifts His attention back to the salvation of Israel during the 7 year Tribulation period.

Acts 2:17
17 ‘And in the last days it will be,’ God says, ‘that I will pour out my Spirit on all people, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.5) He states 2 dangers to the Pre-Tribulationist view:

a) That we will not be prepared for the reality of the Tribulation.  Forewarned is forearmed” Jacob Prasch says [pg 19] .    Really?  What does he plan to do to hide away in a bunker in his garden from God’s judgments during the first 3.5 years of the THE Tribulation?

b) His second concern is that we (Pre-Tribulationists) won’t know who the anti-Christ and False Prophet will be, and this according to Jacob Prasch is a huge problem.   This is ridiculous because as born again Christians we will have an inkling to who it could be because the bible tells us to keep watch for the signs of the times, as it means Jesus’ return is getting closer and closer, but there is no need for us know identify him because we will be raptures right before He makes himself known to the world and the Tribulation stars.

1 Thessalonians 5:5-6
5 For you all are sons of the light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of the darkness.
6 So then we must not sleep as the rest, but must stay alert and sober.

6)  Jacob then calls Pre-Tribulationsists false christs/prophets, deceiving the Elect.

a)  “Jesus Himself warned us of false Christs and false prophets in the Olivet Discourse, yet just as Preterists falsely teach it not longer applies to Christians because it has all (instead of partially) transpired in the events surrounding A.D. 70, Pre-Tribulationsists are left agreeing with them that it does not apply to us because we have already been raptured before the Antichrist and False Prophet become and issue.” [pg. 20]

b)  Jacob says we are not the Elect, we are false Christians, false prophets;  “The rapture and resurrestion cannot and shall not take place until the faithful believers can identify the ultimate two beasts of Revelation Chapter 13. The popular myth asserting the contrary as if it were an exegetical fact is a dangerous myth with must be debunked as a deception perpetrated against the Elect  [pg. 21]

False Christ/False Prophet, deception perpetrated against the Elect;  this is tantamount to calling us Heretics = a dissenter from established religious teaching.

7) Jacob says more and more people are fortunately turning away from the “erroneous nature of Pre-Tribulationalism and the need understand how to properly identify the final Antichrist and False Prophet – the beast of Revelation 13.” [pg. 20]    Yes more people are apostacising and turning away from Jesus Christ and focusing their attention on Satan instead. You are helping fulfill 2 Thessalonians 2:3 “…. For that day will not arrive until the rebellion comes …”

8)  Jacob says, “If only those who have wisdom will understand how to calculate the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18), and if it requires the true believers (whose wisdom is Christ), then who will be here with the wisdom to do the calculation?  These cannot be the tribulation saints because if they had the wisdom they would not be here either.” [pg. 19]

Revelation 13:18
18 This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the beast’s number, for it is man’s number, and his number is 666.The bible does not say we have to know, it says, let the one who has insight calculate the number.  By the time THE Tribulation starts and the Holy Spirit is poured out on the earth, people will have the wisdom to calculate the number of the beast and know who it is for sure.  Or is Jacob contradicting himself and saying that the Holy Spirit won’t be on earth during THE Tribulation?  Contradictions, galore in this book.

9)  This is a classic:   Jacob accuses Pre-tribulationists of saying that the apostasy is actually the Rapture. He says, “Some even venture so far as to identify the apostasy (apostasia) as the Rapture, not, as the context dictates, the departure from the truth when a delusional judgment comes upon those rejecting the truth they once professed. (2 Thes 2:10-11) [pg. 20]     I have never heard of this before, Jacob must have dug deep to find this nonsense to add to his book to paint us with a tarred brush.   If one looks at how Jacob Prasch has twisted the truth, one would think he is under a strong delusion. (2 Thes 2:10-11)

10)  Jacob Prasch says “that a very good translation of Laodicea is as a compound Greek term lao-dikaomai meaning  “people’s rights” or “people’s opinions”. Pre-tribulationists may have a right to their opinion, but they have no right to expect others to believe it when they themselves admit they cannot prove it with a single verse or passage by an inductive exegetical means” [pg. 21]    Jacob, Pre-Tribulationists have never denied that they cannot prove their position.  If you have found someone who has changed their eschatological view, it’s only because if you look deeper you will find that more than likely their entire doctrine is  suspect.   If we look at you with a magnifying glass, we find that you twist scripture, fellowship with men who follow doctrines of demons, insist that Christians spend their time identifying Satan, and use extra biblical manuscripts called the Midrash to interpret the bible thereby completely negating the Holy Spirit – see below:

Jacob Prasch was asked by Richard Engstrom this question:

“Can a group of sincere, literate, English speaking people in isolation from the rest of the world, come to a COMPLETE understanding of ALL that God deeds to us through the Bible, if all they have in their possession is a KJV without notes (without Midrash, without Eidersheim, without Josephus)?”

Jacob’s answer was complicated, high-handed – but his basic reply was “NO!”

Engstrom comments:

“No matter how you slice it, his answer was NO! He denies that YOU, dear reader, can come to a COMPLETE understanding of ALL that God deeds to us through the Bible, if all you have in your possession is a KJV without notes (Midrash, without Eidersheim, without Josephus). You be the judge. Did I misrepresent his answer or not?”

Jacob’s full answer is now given:

“The Word of God was given in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic – not Elizabethan English. I accept the infallibility of the original manuscripts in the original languages, and not the infallibility of any translation, be it KJV or otherwise. Literacy in English is not a major factor, scripture demonstrates the importance of bringing out the original meaning in the original languages (e.g. Neh. 8:8 where after the captivity most people no longer knew Hebrew so the original Hebrew meaning had to be explained ). Hence, because I believe in the priority of the original languages (I have more faith in the bible than I do in translations of it ) MY ANSWER To YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS NO.”  —http://www.apostasynow.com/articles/midrash.html

Please read this article:  MIDRASH: THE CAMEL’S NOSE

We only need Jesus Christ to understand the Bible:

Revelation 3:7-8
7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write the following: “This is the solemn pronouncement of the Holy One, the True One, who holds the key of David, who opens doors no one can shut, and shuts doors no one can open:
8 ‘I know your deeds. (Look! I have put in front of you an open door that no one can shut.) I know that you have little strength, but you have obeyed my word and have not denied my name.

The Lord spoke of Himself as “…the True One, who holds the key of David, who opens doors no one can shut, and shuts doors no one can open” (3:7). This verse is clearly a reference to Isaiah 22:22. In that Isaiah passage he who had the key of David was the treasurer of David’s house. There it is said of Eliakim, “The key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.” The remainder of the passage shows that Eliakim was a type of the Lord Jesus Christ, the one on whom should be hung all the glory of His Father’s house. He, by His Spirit, opens the great treasure-house of divine truth, and none can shut it. On the other hand where there is perversity of spirit and an unwillingness to walk in the truth, He shuts and none can open. So He has said elsewhere, “If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness” (Matthew 6:23).

It is blessed to realize that, while Christ is said to have the key of David, there is another sense in which we see that He is the key. By the presentation of Himself to the souls of His people He opens up the treasures of His Word. Thus Christ is the key to the Holy Scriptures, and no other is needed. To understand the Bible you need only to know Christ. [Emphasis added] —  Dr Henry Ironside

The Bible is clear, no Midrash, no other extra biblical manuscripts or tools, just Jesus Christ is needed.  Jacob Prasch does not tell us the truth when he tells us that we need other tools to understand the Bible.

What is Midrash?

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If we go and read about Midrash here on Moriel’s website, we can clearly see that something is very very wrong.

The Midrash definition is extremely vague, so much so that Jacob Prasch says,

Unless someone has been educated in Judaism, Hebrew, or theology, it is easier to demonstrate midrash than to explain it.”   

How peculiar, why can’t he explain it, are we not smart enough?

Strangely enough Wickipedia can explain it.

Midrash (Hebrew plural midrashim, lit. “to investigate” or “study”) is a homiletic method of biblical exegesis. The term also refers to the whole compilation of homiletic teachings on the Bible.

Midrash is a way of interpreting biblical stories that goes beyond simple distillation of religious, legal or moral teachings. It fills in many gaps left in the biblical narrative regarding events and personalities that are only hinted at. [1]

So it helps you “go beyond” teachings and “fill in the gaps” of the Bible;  that is very interesting – basically you are adding “extra biblical revelation” to the bible.  Jewish websites and others will admit Midrash is a collection of stories, allegory, history, scientific observations and legend.  Jacob claims the word Midrash is supposedly mentioned in the bible, as he claims here in this article:   What does the Word of God Actually Say About Midrash?.  But then we need to ask ourselves so is Enoch mentioned in the Bible, this does not mean we now can read the Book of Enoch as something inspired.

I went to go and look through the bible for the word “Midrash” and I can’t find it, but then after reading Jacob Prasch’s articles, the word “Midrash” does actually appear, as the word “story”  – this is what Jacob deems to be “Midrash” in the Bible.

Strong’s Number H4097 matches the Hebrew (midrash), which occurs 2 times in 2 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the KJV (2Ch 13:22;  2Ch 24:27)

1) study, exposition, midrash, record, story
a) writings of a didactic nature
b) midrash – transliteration of the Hebrew word

Root Word (Etymology):   Hebrew (darash) – Strong’s Number H1875

meaning to resort to, seek, seek with care, enquire, require, search be it of God or of heathen Gods.

Hmmmm.  Really?  I think someone is a trying to make the Bible fit the Midrash.  Just because the word ‘story’ means Midrash, and the root of it means to ‘seek’,  it does not mean we can use stories and fables or ancient methods of study to investigate the bible.

Prasch states:

“You will never understand the Book of Revelation with the kind of limited approach to biblical interpretation that is taught in Protestant seminaries. Midrash is like a quadratic equation or a very complex second order differential equation, a thirteen or fourteen step equation. Some people take the first step of grammatical-historical exegesis and think the equation is solved”  [Emphasis added]The problem with the Reformers is that they only went so far. They made rules governing the application of their grammatical-historical system in order to refute medieval Roman Catholicism, and many of those rules are still taught in theological seminaries today.  [Emphasis added]

Jacob Prasch claims that you need to be well educated in Greek, Hebrew and a whole host of other rabbinical teachings to “truly understand scripture“.  This sounds very much like Roman Catholicism who only speak in Latin (so that you don’t understand) and tell their converts that they will never be smart enough to understand the bible; so you need to rely on specialist experts in all forms of theological studies to give you the message instead.

As I mentioned above, scripture is clear, you only need the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to be able to understand scripture and Christians through-out the centuries have done fantastically fine without Jacob Prasch and his Midrash.   Judging by the way Jacob has handled such simple scriptures as those mentioned at the very beginning of the article, I would say that a Reformer from a few hundreds of years ago could run circles around him and teach him a thing or two on CORRECT BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION.

But according to Prasch, it is just so terrible to think that the Reformers only went so far in their faith and could go no further without the Midrash.  It would seem Jacob Prasch is trying to take us back to the dark ages where the little people have to listen to the big people with regards to what the Bible says.  See (Galatians 4:2-12)  This is unbiblical.

Midrash and Kabbalah

And now we come to the FACT that there is a connection between Midrash and Kabbalah.  Surprise!!  Now, they say that the earlier Midrash differs from the later Medieval versions, but I mean who is pulling the wool over who’s eyes here?   These Jewish manuscripts, writings and studies are not OT Biblically inspired – this is where some of the Apocrypha (Magisterium, Canon Law, Sirach, Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Susanna) comes from.

Let’s go back to the Wickipedia definition of Midrash:

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“Midrash (Hebrew plural midrashim, lit. “to investigate” or “study”) is a Hebrew term referring to the not exact, but comparative (homiletic) method of exegesis (hermeneutic) of Biblical texts, which is one of four methods cumulatively called Pardes. The term midrash can also refer to a compilation of homiletic teachings (commentaries) on the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible), in the form of legal and ritual (Halakhah) and legendary, moralizing, folkloristic, and anecdotal (Aggadah) parts.”

What is Pardes?

“The term, sometimes also spelled PaRDeS, is an acronym formed from the name initials of these four approaches, which are:

eshat  – “plain” (simple) or the direct meaning.
Remez  – “hints” or the deep (allegoric) meaning beyond just the literal sense.
Derash – from Hebrew darash: “inquire” (seek) – the comparative (midrashic) meaning, as given through similar occurrences.
Sod (pronounced with a long O as in gold) – “secret” (mystery) or the mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.

Really?  “Secret, mystery, mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.”

It would seem that mysticism is denounced when it comes to other preachers who delve into it and even Jacob and his ministry are quick to label them as false teachers, but it is biblical when it comes to Midrash?  How is this possible? What stories has he spun over the eyes of those following him, that they have swallowed up the lie?  The Midrash is nothing but a very sly and sneaky way of getting believers involved in mysticism.

Multiple meanings for the Bible?

“Midrash makes heavy use of allegory and typology to illustrate and illuminate doctrine, but never as a basis for doctrine. It sees multiple meanings in Bible texts found in strata,”   [Emphasis added] — http://www.moriel.org/articles/sermons/midrash.htm

  1. Using Midrash to search through the Bible to illustrate and illuminate the doctrine – instead of the Holy Spirit who illuminates.
  2. You need a Jewish Rabbi to explain Midrash to you before you can have the “secret key” that will open the door to understanding.
  3. Use Midrash to searching for “secret knowledge
  4. Using Midrash to finding “multiple meanings” in the Bible.   Apparently the only way to find God’s proper truth is if you have multiple meanings.

Gnosticism teachers that the Bible cannot be understood as it is, you need to have a “secret key” which unlocks the “hidden mysteries” in the texts.  This is EXACTLY what Jacob Prasch presents to us under the banner of Christianity.

The Bible says…

John 14:26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

You do not need to understand Hebrew or Greek, or have a degree to understand the Bible, all you need is the Holy Spirit abiding in you.   Anyone who tells you that you need to look outside of scripture in order to understand it is not telling you the truth.

John MacArthur

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a)  Jacob Prasch says that Dr John Walvoord is a good man, excellent preacher and author like John MacArthur. [pg 16]

Who is John MacArthur?  A Calvinist who preaches that Jesus did not die for the whole world but for the Elect only. He preaches that you are not saved, you are CHOSEN by God before birth and that if you are Elect your children will be Elect.  John MacArthur denies the Blood of Jesus Christ and says it’s ‘just liquid’.  John MacArthur believes in a works based Salvation, called Lordship Salvation.

b) Jacob says, “Among these bretheren  are some of my closest personal friends who seek to uphold biblical truth in an age of apostasy where it is being eroded.  Among these are Dave Hunt, Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Dr David Hocking, Pastor Chuck Smith, Dr Thomas Ice, Dr Randolph Price…” [pg. 16]

I’m only going to focus on Chuck Smith.  Chuck  Smith is the founder of Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa and the Jesus Movement in the 70’s that  Jacob Prasch says he belonged too in the hippie days.  See Shadows of the Beast [pg.19]

Chuck Smith close and personal friends with Jacob Prasch

Who is Chuck Smith:

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Lonnie Frisbee

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Chuck Smith

“Actually “the Calvary Chapel Movement was essentially spawned by Lonnie Frisbee, not Chuck Smith. It was Chuck’s embracing of Frisbee that drew the massive crowds of young hippies during the Jesus Movement…who then grew up and were Institutionalized by the opportunistic and shrewd Businessman, Chuck Smith.

Can a healthy Spirit-Led Movement of God be founded upon a man, Lonnie Frisbee, who was doing LSD and having homosexual relations with other men on Saturday…and then preaching the “real” Jesus Christ and Gospel on Sunday?

Lonnie Frisbee’s life and struggles with drugs and homosexuality is well documented. He died of AIDS as a result of his homosexual lifestyle. A very sad end I wouldn’t wish on anyone.

Kathryn Kuhlman, another Calvary Chapel and Chuck Smith partner that was instrumental in the genesis of the Movement is hailed as the major influence in Benny Hinn’s life.  The hyper-Charismatic “faith healer”,

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Kathryn Kuhlman

Kuhlman, was very close to Smith and very much a part of the early days of CC.

Chuck Smith intervened with a Church Discipline Process with regards to David Hawking’s Adultery and sex scandal, circumventing another Church’s Scripturally motivated disciplinary process.

The list of scandals and cover-ups in Camp Calvary Chapel, Chuck Smith’s Progeny, is astounding. This site documents the tip

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Chuck Smith and Rick Warren apostacising together

of the Ice Burg (but we’ll get to many others in time, and the list keeps growing as more people contact me with information).

A defense I’ve heard from some in the Online Discernment community, the supposed “Watch People” of “Sound Doctrine” and “Apostasy” etc. is, “Well, Chuck Smith is a gifted bible teacher”…and that excuses the Scandals and lack of following Scripture in dealing with sin in the Camp.

Well, what happens if Chuck Smith is preaching Heresy with regards to a Core Doctrine of the Faith? Can Chuck Smith be “wrong” and have a “wrong interpretation of Scripture” on a foundational issue like the Resurrection? Personhood? (Who the “real me” is).

I submit that Chuck Smith cannot be wrong on the Doctrine of Resurrection and be trusted as a true Prophet of God. The issue of Resurrection is key to our Faith. If one is “wrong” on the Resurrection…then others (Gnostics, Emergents, RCC, Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, you name it) can be “wrong”, too, and it shouldn’t rise to the level of calling out the different “interpretation”…if we can just ignore something as serious as a Heretical View of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and of the Saints.”

“What does Chuck Smith say about who “we” are as “the Real Me”? What is Chuck Smith’s teaching regarding the Doctrine of Resurrection?

Chuck Smith teaches that (in his own words, see video) that “the REAL ME is spirit“…classic Gnosticism.

Chuck Smith goes on to teach a Doctrine of Resurrection of both Jesus Christ and the Saints where “your spirit LEAVES your body” and “goes into a NEW body” after you die. Classic Jehovah’s Witness Theology.

He goes on to explain that Jesus Christ had a “similar but different” body when He Resurrected. It is not the “same” Physical Body that has been Glorified, but rather the “spirit” of Jesus (and our “spirit” who is the “real me“) LEAVES our “old bodies” and then migrates to a “new body“…some Quasi-Spirit Body. This is Heresy.

I call on Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel to repent of their Heresy regarding the Doctrine of Resurrection. They cannot be “wrong” on this Core Foundational issue as the Gnostics and Jehovah’s Witnesses are. If we compromise the integrity of this Foundational Truth…then we are on a Slippery Slope and we are preaching a “different Jesus”.

There is no “old body” in the Tomb that Jesus arose from. Jesus Christ has “one” Literal Physical Earthly Body that was Glorified. We have one Literal Physical Earthly Body that is “the real us” that is Glorified.   Jesus’s “spirit” and our “spirit” does not “leave our old body” and migrate to some “new body” that is a Quasi-Spirit Body. That is JW and Gnostic and off the Reservation of Christian orthodoxy.”      [Emphasis added]    — http://calvarychapelabuse.com/wordpress/?p=998

2 Corinthians 6:14-15
14 Be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion has light with darkness?
15 And what concord has Christ with Belial? or what part has he that believes with an infidel?

Ephesians 5:11
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

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292 Responses

  1. Jeff Ruzicka says:

    Jacob Pracsh knows what he is talking about. I think I know more about the Bible than the guy who wrote this article. Prewrath is a valid argument as we know we can never be under God’s wrath but we can be under Satan’s. I can’t go into all details as I don’t want to write for 5 hours. Also, to not believe in the Nephilim which are in the Bible is extra biblical as disbelief in this was added centuries after Christ.

  2. You definitely don’t need five hours to display your ignorance. You have poignantly done so in just 83 words. Congratulations.

  3. Sharon says:

    LOL! Thomas you have given me my good laugh of the day! The old saying, “Ignorance is Bliss” I am thinking isn’t true. LOL LOL

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    You definitely don’t need five hours to display your ignorance. You have poignantly done so in just 83 words. Congratulations.

  4. Andy says:

    “if you are Elect your children will be Elect”

    You cited in the article that John MacArthur believes and teaches this. John MacArthur is wrong about so very much, so this wouldn’t surprise me at all. I’m just curious as to where you found this? I’d like to include it in my list of his errors, if it is true.

  5. Andy,

    You may find the info you need here.

    “The children of believers are baptized not in order that they who were previously strangers to the church may then for the first time become children of God, but rather that, because by the blessing of the promise they already belonged to the body of Christ, they are received into the church with this solemn sign.” J Calvin Institutes, IV, xv, 2.

    “Our children, before they are born, God declares that he adopts for his own when he promised that he will be a God to us, and our seed after us. In this promise their salvation is included.” Calvin’s Institutes (4.xv.20)

  6. Andy says:

    Thomas,

    I see, John Calvin strikes again. The words of man put above the Word of God. Yes, anyone that willingly labels themselves with the name Calvinism, shares in the sins of John Calvin. Thank you for finding that. The more I dig into the lies of Calvinism, the more I am shocked that so many people believe it.

  7. Jorge says:

    Still I can not find anyone who can argue the Bible with Jacob Prash
    God bless that man.

  8. mamacanuck says:

    I know I’m late to the party but I did stumble upon this article while researching Midrash and I have in the past enjoyed some of Jacob’s teachings.

    The author of the article (Deborah, I presume?) said that “Jacob accuses Pre-tribulationists of saying that the apostasy is actually the Rapture. He says, “Some even venture so far as to identify the apostasy (apostasia) as the Rapture, not, as the context dictates, the departure from the truth when a delusional judgment comes upon those rejecting the truth they once professed. (2 Thes 2:10-11) [pg. 20]” I have never heard of this before…”

    I don’t know if you are familiar with Dr. Thomas Ice from the Pre-Trib Research Center but he wrote an article regarding this that I found very interesting and if true, would indeed be an ‘overt’ bible verse teaching the pre-trib rapture.

    You can find the article at pretrib.org/articles/view/rapture-in-2-thessalonians-23

    BTW, you should get to know Dr. John Walvoord because he was an excellent bible teacher and defender of the pre-trib position. I think you were uncharitable in your comments about him because he never changed his mind about anything regarding the rapture and would be the first to argue that he would do so only if convinced by God’s unchanging word.

  9. Will says:

    Oh my gosh! Chuck Smith and Rick Warren joking around as brothers in Christ! What apostasy! Come on folks, you need to get a life. You should be ashamed that you are squandering the precious time the Lord has given you on this. Invest the time you waste here by instead making disciples of Jesus Christ. Computer posts is not discipleship. Get off your rear end and go share the gospel with your neighbor.

    -A Minister

  10. Will,

    Making disciples includes Christ’s warning to take heed lest you be deceived (Matthew 24:4). Are you prepared to disobey Him?

    For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (2 Co 11:13-15)

    This is but one example of how Paul continually warned his brethren against false teachers. What would you have done if you had lived in the time of Paul? I suppose you would have told him “You should be ashamed that you are squandering the precious time the Lord has given you on this. Invest the time you waste here by instead making disciples of Jesus Christ. . . . Get off your rear end and go share the gospel with your neighbor.”

  11. Bro. Nick says:

    I very recently was given a ‘Watchman on the Wall’ warning, with Biblical sound references about the very subtle false teachings of Jacob Prasch – which I have verified iaw 2 Corinthians 13:1b, KJV
    I will personally no longer listen to his ‘poison mixed in with the coolaid’ teachings, and will recommend others to stay away from him.

    Those who are truly “born again” believers and followers of “our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” must learn – and remember – and most seriously think about that which Pastor Charles H. Spurgeon wrote over 100 years ago –

    “DISCERNMENT is not knowing the difference between right and wrong.
    It is knowing the difference between RIGHT
    – and ALMOST right.”

    Likewise, ‘Biblical CHRISTians’ must know and always remember that “Lucifer”, “the great dragon”, “that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan” is an extremely intelligent, wily, malicious, and “subtil” master counterfeiter – with thousands of years of practice who is out to cause ‘spiritual Confusion’ using Malevolent Deceptions – and Delusions – and Deliberate Deceit – for we are told in “the word of the Lord”:
    “Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
    Put on the whole armour of God,
    that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
    (Ephesians 6:10-11, KJB)

    – Capitalization and emphasis of the CH Spurgeon quote are mine – Bro. Nick –

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    ‘The Trial Of Spirits – Both In Teachers And Hearers’

    Wherein Is Held Forth The Clear Discovery, And Certain Downfall, Of The Carnal And Anti Christian Clergy Of These Nations

    Testified from the Word of God, to the University in Cambridge, by William Dell, Minister of the Gospel, and Master of Gonvil and Caius College, In Cambridge, London, Printed in 1666
    **** NOTE – The Great Fire of London swept through the city in September 1666 ****

    The following article should serve as ‘todays history lesson’ on “false apostles” – and “false prophets” – and “false teachers” that are becoming more and more ‘the norm’ – TODAY.

    We truly need to take absolutely seriously what William Dell and his exegesis of “the word of the Lord” – because what he described is EXACTLY what we are seeing today being played out on TBN – and CBN – and the National Association of Evangelicals {NAE} – and in the New Apostolic Reformation {NAR} – and by a whole host of other “hirelings” – the likes of Rick Warren, and by Joel and Victoria Osteen – and the purpose driven movement – and the ‘prosperity gospel’ – and the World Council of Churches – and ‘ad nauseum’ …

    For those few who have “an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear” – we are STRONGLY WARNED by the Apostle Paul:
    [13] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
    transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
    [14] And no marvel;
    for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
    [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
    whose end shall be according to their works.
    (2 Corinthians, Chapter 11, KJB)

    – NOTE – This introduction is much modified from the original by Bro. Nick –
    ——————————————————————————

    William Dell on ‘False Prophets’

    … Wherefore we declare unto you from the Word of the Lord, touching these false prophets, who shall do so much mischief:

    1. That they shall not proceed, or come forth from among the Jews, or Turks, or out of the barbarous Nations, they shall arise out of such as are called Christians.

    2. Seeing amongst the Christians some are openly profane and evil, others seem to be religious and godly, the false prophets shall be found among the better sort; and therefore, saith Christ, they shall come in “sheeps clothing”, as if they were of Christ’s own flock: And Paul saith “They have a form of Godliness”, that is, they shall be painted over gloriously, with all appearances of Truth, righteousness, honesty, goodness and all the names of godliness.

    3. Seeing amongst those that seem to be the better sort of Christians, some give themselves to the ministry of the Word, and some do not; the false prophets shall be found among those Christians, who take upon themselves to be preachers, as Paul testifies (Acts 20) where having called together the elders and teachers of the church of Ephesus, he saith to them, “Ex vobis ipsis; Out of your ownselves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them”.

    And seeing among those who are ministers, some are light, and vain, and carnal, and formal persons; and other men of great worth and reputation, and seem to be precious members of Christ, and even pillars in the Church, so that the common people think, that all religion would go down with such good men; they having some gifts and enlightenings of the spirit, and seeming more than ordinarily godly, religious, wise, holy, sober, devout; now the false prophets shall be found among these.

    And as they who opposed Christ at his first coming in the flesh, seem more wise, and holy, and eminent in the Church than the rest, as the Scribes and Pharisees, who sat in Moses’ chair, and had the outward letter of the Word in all exactness, and the outward form of religion in all strictness; so they, who do, and shall most oppose Christ in His coming in His Spirit, and shall contradict His Word, and resist His servants and witnesses of His Truth, do, and shall appear more wise, holy, learned, and godly, than the rest of the teachers in the Church.

    And thus you see, that the false prophets of Anti-christ shall arise among Christians; and among such Christians as seem to be godly; and among such seeming godly Christians as preach the Word; and among such preachers of the Word as seem to be of greater worth and eminency than the rest: and so in all these regards it will be a hard matter to discern them.

    4. Again, such persons, of such appearance and worth and holiness as these, do usually get to their side the greatest and highest persons in the kingdoms and nations, and do obtain, not only their countenance and favour, but also their power and authority for themselves.

    5. By both these means (viz. their seeming holiness, and their interest with worldy powers) they exceedingly enlarge their credit and reputation with the world, and do get multitudes of people and nations to entertain them.

    For Anti-christ could not decieve the world with a company of foolish, weak, ignorant, prophane, contemptable persons, but he always hath the greatest, the wisest, holiest, and most eminent in the visible church for him, and by these he seduces and subjects to himself, even the whole world. …

    ============================================================================================================

    ‘The Trial Of Spirits – Both In Teachers And Hearers’
    Apologetics Coordination Team (ACT)
    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/thetrialofspirits.html

    – AND –

    ‘David Jeremiah And His All-Seeing Eye: What Is Up?’
    Casting a spell on you… | 11/8/09 | Another Voice (Rev. 18:4) – blogspot

    “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
    that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”

    http://anothervoicerev184.blogspot.com/2009/11/david-jeremiah-and-his-all-seeing-eye.html
    .

  12. Bro Nick

    I am glad you are not following Jacob Prash anymore. But you quote Sprugeon so favorably? Are you a Calvinist?

  13. Melissa says:

    I was enjoying the article as it related to the Rapture but when it took a fleshly turn and the author had to begin taking shots at those Prasch calls “friends”, I was done. Just because Jacob Prasch names some of these men as his “friends” don’t assume they’re all in error. For one thing, Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum is as Pre-Trib as they come. Too bad, it started out well.

  14. Melissa,

    Prasch also called the Calvinist, John MacArthur, one of his friends until MacArthur began to proclaim the lie that those who take the mark of the beast (666) can still be saved. Perhaps you can tell us whether MacArthur is still one of Prasch’s friends.

  15. Dear Melissa

    Would you mind telling me which one of those ‘friends’ I mentioned in this article that upset you so much you follow?

  16. Melissa

    There are many teachers who are pre-trib yet believe in another gospel. Just as there are many teachers who are not pre-trib and teach another gospel.

  17. jeffrey hill says:

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    Will,

    Making disciples includes Christ’s warning to take heed lest you be deceived (Matthew 24:4). Are you prepared to disobey Him?

    For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (2 Co 11:13-15)

    This is but one example of how Paul continually warned his brethren against false teachers. What would you have done if you had lived in the time of Paul? I suppose you would have told him “You should be ashamed that you are squandering the precious time the Lord has given you on this. Invest the time you waste here by instead making disciples of Jesus Christ. . . . Get off your rear end and go share the gospel with your neighbor.”

    you are not Paul and also you are not one of the Apostles

  18. So, only Paul and the apostles were given the command to test the spirits?

  19. Dear jeffrey hill

    >> you are not Paul and also you are not one of the Apostles

    Ohso you must not follow any instructions given in the bible because you were not that person who wrote it or gave the instruction. So….just close your bible and stop reading ok because it’s pointless for you.

  20. Ed says:

    That’s the problem – fight at the start you didn’t read the whole book yet you become an expert on the whole book and take things out of context. You even said he based it on one scripture only. If you had read the whole book you would see otherwise. More wasted space on the Internet here

  21. Abra Cadabra says:

    Jacob Prasch is not a prophet or anything special. But he is an amazing source of biblical knowledge. He who is without sin cast the first stone. It is not eye for an eye. The argument on this blog is frankly a testament to the utter degradation of the modern day christian church. Most of my friends, co workers, relatives and pretty much everyone I meet is not a christian or are anti religion. I would never say that I do not regard them as friends or respect their views, but if they did say something that was against my beliefs, I would call it out there and then.

  22. M. Traylor says:

    I was with you until you started in on Chuck Smith (who taught Pre-Trib Rapture, by the way). You didn’t personally know Chuck, or you would know how deeply he loved the Lord Jesus and the Body of Christ. Don’t be so gullible as to believe everything you read, especially when you didn’t actually know the man. Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum also teaches a Pre-Trib rapture and, again, he is a man I know personally. Just because Jacob Prasch tosses out a few names as “friends” don’t foolishly spray your shrapnel at them, while firing at Prasch. What if someone decides to take aim at you? Or are you off-limits?

  23. You are supposed to test all things men teach and say against the Word of God, and not use their love for Christ and the brethren as a yardstick to determine truth.

  24. Dear M. Traylor

    You don’t need to be bestest buds with someone to know they are false, just as you can be bestest buds with people and be fooled by their ‘niceness’ thereby thinking that what comes out of their mouth is supposed to be the truth.
    Also hundreds of false preacher preach truth and lies, so saying he taught Pre-Trib means nothing and should not be used as a litmus test that everything else that is said is true.

      You said “Just because Jacob Prasch tosses out a few names as “friends” don’t foolishly spray your shrapnel at them, while firing at Prasch. What if someone decides to take aim at you? Or are you off-limits?

    That’s nice, is this a threat? Let me inform you, I had the honour of Jacob Prasch himself setting up a website that sat online for 2 years where he ridiculed, insulted and harassed me in the worst possible way. I suppose you think that is nice?

    You see when grown men can’t come up with correct answers to questions posed to them they go after your jugular vein and attack you personally.

  25. Dear Abra Cadabra

    1) As a Christian I ask that you take a look at your username ‘Abra Cadabra‘ go and research what it means and change it. Unless you know and think black magic is godly.
    2) Nobody has called Jacob Prasch a prophet, he is however false teacher.
    3) He is not a source of sound biblical knowledge.

    You said “The argument on this blog is frankly a testament to the utter degradation of the modern day christian church” then you say “but if they [people] did say something that was against my beliefs, I would call it out there and then.”

    So we at DTW have called out Jacob Prasch on twisting scripture and combining mystic teachings with the bible that goes against the Jesus Christ Himself and you say the argument that follows is a testament to the utter degradation of the modern day christian church. Then you say, “but if they [people] did say something that was against my beliefs, I would call it out there and then”… well that is what we have done and you and you complain that it’s a testament to the utter degradation of the modern day christian church.
    You have a double mind (you compromise), you speak for an against the church of God. Double mindedness is a sin.

    James 4:8
    Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

    Clearly you have not read the bible. The Disciples and Jesus Christ himself were under constant threat by mobs, being attacked, beaten and imprisoned for their Gospel testimony…what would you have said then?

  26. Bella says:

    See how these Christians love one another

    I started reading this thread back at the 2012 mark, for about an hour, then skipped down to take the flavour of things here in the present. It has got nastier.

    I was hoping to learn from you all; I have been reading JP and wanted to know whether to continue, but I am now more confused, except to say I don’t like the atmosphere in here. Very argumentative and strident, all justified by calling it out as a Barean. While that is good, the how is not.
    I am sad and disappointed, and unsure where to go for wisdom now.
    Thank you

  27. Dear Bella

    This website speaks the truth amidst all the false teaching and false teachers in this world and you need to test us against scripture (1 John 4:1). This is an open platform where everyone (believer and unbeliever) can comment…just like you yourself commented. In Jesus’ day for example He spoke out to masses of people from under a tree, that was His platform, and guess what – He had people come against Him and call Him a liar and many nasty names (like Jacob Prasch did to us) in public for all to hear. People who are seeking the truth, will look past the confusion and strife created by Satan (certain commentators) to find the Truth. Prasch in all his wisdom did us a huge favour in acting the way he did, because now it’s pretty clear what spirit lies within.

    You said “I was hoping to learn from you all;”

    Nope there you are wrong… you learn from the Holy Spirit, He guides you into all truth. John 16:13

    Tell me how do you learn what the truth is if there is no heresy in this world to compare the truth with? (1 Corinthians 11:18-19) Unfortunately Satan is the God of this world, it’s something you have to deal with. SO… “What shall we then say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?” (Romans 8:31)

  28. Bella starts her comment with “See how these Christians love one another.” May I ask you, Bella, is this the kind of love you love to spread?

    https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/11/30/jacob-prasch-the-railer/#more-11561

  29. Ben Zevulun says:

    How can you speak about brothers and sisters in the faith with such contempt for each other is what really disturbs me here! All so quick to condemn each other for heresy and so full of accusations! We have One Saviour all of us, His Name is Yeshua and we also have an accuser, his name is heilel ben shachar or satan for short! Whose work do you all think you are doing by bringing railing accusations against one another? Seriously people! If you consider yourself to be a follower of Yeshua than be so and learn that to follow Him means to follow His example, do as He did and obey Him, do as He says! Is accusing the brethren in the faith doing that??? Be humble before God and before men! Fight that pride which is the road to destruction a path both sides of the argument are on. Now I agree with a lot that’s said about false teachers and false prophets but if you cannot walk in love with your brothers and sisters you are in some serious trouble and that goes to both sides! I have met Jacob myself in the past and I know he is not one of those false teachers you constantly “expose” and that he constantly “exposes” but I do believe he has some pride of knowledge issues but that not being the point here I just wanted to point out the amazing ability you all have to condemn each other so quickly without actually knowing what is in the other person’s heart! A false teaching can be due to a variety of reasons for example trusting oneself to interpret the Bible instead of only relying on the Holy Spirit to obtain the Truth which is how Biblically correct doctrine is obtained! Truth can only be revealed by either the Father, the Son(Yeshua) or the Holy Spirit. Truth cannot be learned by study of God’s Word by man’s mind this only brings about heresy upon heresy the kind you have all been accusing one another of here! What is the solution then you say? This is it, humble yourself and follow Yeshua in ALL of His Way and not just the parts you like! Did Yeshua come to accuse His brethren as He called the Jews? No, He came to bring them the good news of the year of the Lord’s favour! He did not come to condemn but to save the lost sheep of Israel and the world!
    It’s good that all you people yes that’s all including Jacob, talking to you Deborah and John too, it’s good to expose the false prophets but only if you can 100% sure without the shadow of a doubt! How can you know what’s in the heart of people? Only the Holy Spirit knows so it is then only by Him you can be warned! So here it is, yes the Holy Spirit warned me of Chuck Missler too as he has way too many things that give him away but the thing the Holy Spirit pointed out the most about him was the fact he had no love for Yeshua as he has always maintained the Bible was JUST a hobby to him and then of course he goes on record to say Hal Lindsey talked him into making his hobby his JOB!? He speaks of Yeshua without love as just a book to read among many other books he reads including all the talmudic Jewish satanic books such as the talmud, rambam, mishneh, midrash and the halachah! These all have their origins in Babylonian idolatry and parts of these books are almost indistinguishable from the koran which also has its roots in the catholic church which in turn also has its roots in Babylon in the form of dagon, baal, moloch, ashtoreth(ishtar) worship. Anyone who teaches from these is in trouble and yes I have heard you use these as a source before Jacob quoting from the midrash in the past. God loathes these books and abhors it when His people dabble in this evil rubbish. Even Paul counted all his previous knowledge(the pharisaic knowledge) as rubbish. (dung in the KJV but you and I know that in the Greek it says rubbish or refuse!) Pride of learning is your greatest obstacle however and it quenches the Holy Spirit just as religion and man organised church quenches Him! We can only obtain correct doctrine from Him and must therefore have ears to hear! The only way to hear is to humble yourself and know that what we know means nothing! God considers our knowledge as trash and so should we! So whatever you have learned from studies in seminaries or other such places forget and count as dung and be taught of the Holy Spirit alone and He will show you neat things like the real meaning of the word Apostasia found in 2Thessalonians 2:3 and no it’s not what you find in the dictionary as they have copied the same mistake as the Bible translators. As with any Greek break it down to its root words that make up the word to find the original meaning of the word and you’ll find it does not mean falling away!
    In short my brothers and sisters treat each other with the love that Yeshua expects us to treat each other, the way He did selflessly! For how can we claim to be regenerate if we still live through the flesh instead of being led by His Spirit. Humble yourself people for God resists the proud and with the season(mo’ed)/ feast/ appointed time that is coming you do not want to be among those of the brethren who are proud as they will be a part of the 5 foolish virgins. Seek Yeshua with all your heart and keep His 2 easy to bear commandments which is to love God with all your heart, mind and strength and love your neighbour as yourself! It’s really not hard folks just keep away from satan’s fruit of accusation and build each other up in the faith instead as Yeshua has commanded us! Repent and humble yourselves!
    Just as our Lord I bid you my love and God’s rich blessings upon your lives and let it be known that that blessing is He, Yeshua, God the Son.

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