Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash Way

Shadows of the Beast- Jacob Prasch

Shadows of the Beast:  Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash Way

So I bought the book, “Shadows of the Beast” by Jacob Prasch and didn’t really make it past the Prologue.  I was kinda horrified at a number of things.  I will begin to list them in this article.  To start off with, Jacob Prasch is anti Pre-Tribulational rapture and bases his whole ‘idea‘ on the premise that Jesus won’t come back and Rapture the church until the anti-Christ makes himself known in the middle of the Tribulation.  He uses this verse as his only backup:  (2 Thessalonians 2:3)  “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”

The problem is, Jacob is not telling us the truth, because if you go and read from the beginning of the chapter you find out that Paul is speaking to the Thessalonians, not about the Rapture, but about ‘the day of the Lord’.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1  Now regarding the arrival of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to be with him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2  not to be easily shaken from your composure or disturbed by any kind of spirit or message or letter allegedly from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here.
3  Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not arrive until the rebellion comes and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.

Talking of pre-tribulationists, Jacob Prasch says, “They must also fail to draw due distinction between the Great Tribulation and “the Day of the Lord” which are distinct time periods.”  [pg. 17]     Well I beg to differ.

What exactly is “the day of the Lord'”?  The day of the Lord is The Tribulation made up of two parts;  The Tribulation being first 3.5 years and the Great Tribulation being last 3.5 years, totaling 7 years from start to finish plus Jesus’ Second Coming!

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So what 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is saying is this: The Tribulation aka “the day of the Lord” will not start until the apostasy comes first, and Jesus’ Second Coming (when He sets foot on earth) will not take place until after the anti-Christ has been reveal.

Another way to look at it is that, the Antichrist will be revealed before ‘the day of the Lord’ (or Tribulation stars) but can only be revealed right after the time of the Rapture.

Jacob Prasch says, “The Rapture and Resurrection cannot happen until the “man of lawlessness” is revealed. [pg. 22]   Then he quotes (2 Thessalonians 2:3) “Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come unless the apostasy come first, and the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction.”    He is saying that the word, “it” is the Rapture and Resurrection only.   This is FALSE.  As shown above, it is “the Day of the Lord” which encompasses The Tribulation and Jesus’ Second Coming.

Regarding the Rapture

1 Thessalonians 5:1-6
1 Now on the topic of times and seasons, brothers and sisters, you have no need for anything to be written to you.
2 For you know quite well that the day of the Lord will come in the same way as a thief in the night.
3 Now when they are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction comes on them, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will surely not escape.
4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in the darkness for the day to overtake you like a thief would.
5 For you all are sons of the light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of the darkness.
6 So then we must not sleep as the rest, but must stay alert and sober.

Paul says: (1 Thessalonians 5:1)“But of the times and seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.”  The word time here in Greek means chronos (khron’-os) in which we get the English word chronology.  So, of the general chronology, of this particular time Paul says that no one needs write about it because they have ALREADY been instructed: 1) concerning the general time when Jesus said He would come and 2) concerning the particular time.  So the general time CAN be known, but not the actual time. And this is a FANTASTIC message.

In (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3) Paul says: “For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

Time of Jacob’s trouble

It is IMPORTANT to note that the whole 7 year Tribulation period (also known as “Time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7) is considered a time of JUDGEMENT from God, not just the last 3.5 years which some seem to think.   Judgments will be poured out on earth as the seven-sealed scrolls are opened consecutively by the Lamb.  Judgments of the Seals, Trumpets and plagues GROWS IN INTENSITY, until you reach 2nd half of the tribulation, namely the Great Tribulation which lasts for another 3.5 years, where God’s Wrath is finally poured out IN FULL on mankind.  If Jacob Prasch thinks that the first half of The Tribulation is not part of God’s wrath on earth, then I do not know what bible he is reading.  Maybe he should stop reading extra-biblical books like the Midrash and pay attention to the Word of God alone to get a clue.

So how does the Rapture of the church relate to “the Day of the Lord” which happens before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ by 7 years?  We know that “the Day of the Lord” will come suddenly and unexpectedly like a thief in the night, in other words, The Tribulation starts suddenly and unexpectedly.  And the Rapture of the church MARKS the end of ‘the day of Grace’ and simultaneously MARKS the beginning of the ‘the day of the Lord’.  As soon as the church is removed, the Antichrist is revealed and the trials and tribulations of this world begin in all earnest, the birth pangs are over, the birth begins, and no one can escape it.

1 Thessalonians 5:5-6
5 For you all are sons of the light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of the darkness.
6 So then we must not sleep as the rest, but must stay alert and sober.

Paul tells the born again believers to be alert and sober, to watch for Jesus!

Looking for Satan

We are not to look for Satan as Jacob Prasch want us too, we do not have to identify the him and his False Prophet! Jacob deliberately writes a book twisting scripture trying to cheat saints out of the Blessed Hope. The Bible tells us we are look towards Jesus Christ only and comfort one another with the message that He will return.    (1 Thessalonians 4:1-18)  “15 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.18  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Thessalonians 4:1-18

1  Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
2  For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
3  For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4  That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5  Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
6  That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
7  For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
8  He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
9  But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
10  And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;
11  And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
12  That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.
13  But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15  For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Jacob Prasch mentions many ideas and mis-conceptions in his book that make it sound like Pre-tribulationsists are a bunch of false teachers that need to be dealt with urgently.  I am going to list them and answer them:

1) He makes the statement that “The patriarch of Pre-Tibulationism, Dr. John Walvoord of Dallas Theological Seminary admitted there is no stated biblical passage overtly teaching a Pre-Tribulational position.  Walvoord states, that “the Rapture is between the lines”. [pg. 16]     So because Dr John Walvoord changes his view now we must all fall down and beg for forgiveness because a so called patriach of Pre-Tribulationism says so?  I think not.  Walvoord can change his mind, but the Word of God stays the same.

2) Jacob states that Pre-Tribulationists are against identifying the anti-Christ and this is a BIG problem.  This is news to me, I had no idea that we were against identifying the anti-Christ because the bible tells us that  (1 Thessalonians 5:6) “we must not sleep as the rest, but must stay alert and sober.”    However the bible also does tell us not to focus our attentions on evil things, but to focus our attentions on Jesus Christ.

Colossians 3:1-4
1 If you then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sits on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall you also appear with him in glory.

3) Jacob states; “The Greek term for “tribulation” (thelipsis) and the eschatological testing in Rev. 3:10 are precise synonyms despite linguistic evidence to the contrary.  Jesus in fact informed Christians that they would have tribulation in the world.” [ pg 17]       Oh boy, talk about trying to fool us, do you think we are of low intelligence? Of course Christians will have ‘tribulation’ in this world, but if we look at Revelation 3:10 it talks about the hour of temptation  which refers to THE Tribulation.    (Revelation 3:10)  “10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.    Jacob, should know, being the self proclaimed guru of all guru’s that an ‘hour’ in the Bible, denotes a period of time.  Having “trials and tribulations” is very different from THE Tribulation, a set period of time where God pours out His judgement on the earth for a full 7 years.

Revelation 3:7, 10
7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write the following: “This is the solemn pronouncement of the Holy One, the True One, who holds the key of David, who opens doors no one can shut, and shuts doors no one can open:
10 Because you have kept my admonition to endure steadfastly, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come on the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

The promise of verse 10, like all the promises to these different churches, is for every true child of God“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.  This is the Lord’s own pledge to those who love His Name and seek to keep His Word – they will not be left down here to pass through the appalling tribulation that is just ahead of those who “dwell upon the earth.” This expression is found frequently in the book of Revelation. It does not simply mean those who live in the world. A careful reading of the various passages in which this peculiar term is found will make it clear that “the earth-dwellers” are in contrast to those whose citizenship is in Heaven. They are persons who, while professing to be Christians, refuse the heavenly calling. They prove by their earthly-mindedness and worldly ways that they really belong to this world. All their hopes and their treasures are here. The Lord has said, “Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”  [Emphasis added]   — Dr Henry Ironside

4)  Jacob states that Pre-Tribulationsists flounder because “they equate the removal of the Holy Spirit with the removal of the church.  This is a mistaken eschatology resulting from a mistaken pneumatology; they misunderstand the doctrine of the Holy Spirit, which results in a further miscomprehension of 2 Thessalonians.” [pg. 17]    We misunderstand the doctrine of the Holy Spirit now do we?   No Jacob.  We understand it fine.   It’s Jacob who is making up stories here to fill pages in his book.  Jacob believes that when we say that the Holy Spirit removes the church during the Rapture, he actually thinks we mean the Holy Spirit goes forever, good-bye, and the rest of the people on earth have to make do without Him.  Nope, we know that the Holy Spirit is then poured out as God once again shifts His attention back to the salvation of Israel during the 7 year Tribulation period.

Acts 2:17
17 ‘And in the last days it will be,’ God says, ‘that I will pour out my Spirit on all people, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.5) He states 2 dangers to the Pre-Tribulationist view:

a) That we will not be prepared for the reality of the Tribulation.  Forewarned is forearmed” Jacob Prasch says [pg 19] .    Really?  What does he plan to do to hide away in a bunker in his garden from God’s judgments during the first 3.5 years of the THE Tribulation?

b) His second concern is that we (Pre-Tribulationists) won’t know who the anti-Christ and False Prophet will be, and this according to Jacob Prasch is a huge problem.   This is ridiculous because as born again Christians we will have an inkling to who it could be because the bible tells us to keep watch for the signs of the times, as it means Jesus’ return is getting closer and closer, but there is no need for us know identify him because we will be raptures right before He makes himself known to the world and the Tribulation stars.

1 Thessalonians 5:5-6
5 For you all are sons of the light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of the darkness.
6 So then we must not sleep as the rest, but must stay alert and sober.

6)  Jacob then calls Pre-Tribulationsists false christs/prophets, deceiving the Elect.

a)  “Jesus Himself warned us of false Christs and false prophets in the Olivet Discourse, yet just as Preterists falsely teach it not longer applies to Christians because it has all (instead of partially) transpired in the events surrounding A.D. 70, Pre-Tribulationsists are left agreeing with them that it does not apply to us because we have already been raptured before the Antichrist and False Prophet become and issue.” [pg. 20]

b)  Jacob says we are not the Elect, we are false Christians, false prophets;  “The rapture and resurrestion cannot and shall not take place until the faithful believers can identify the ultimate two beasts of Revelation Chapter 13. The popular myth asserting the contrary as if it were an exegetical fact is a dangerous myth with must be debunked as a deception perpetrated against the Elect  [pg. 21]

False Christ/False Prophet, deception perpetrated against the Elect;  this is tantamount to calling us Heretics = a dissenter from established religious teaching.

7) Jacob says more and more people are fortunately turning away from the “erroneous nature of Pre-Tribulationalism and the need understand how to properly identify the final Antichrist and False Prophet – the beast of Revelation 13.” [pg. 20]    Yes more people are apostacising and turning away from Jesus Christ and focusing their attention on Satan instead. You are helping fulfill 2 Thessalonians 2:3 “…. For that day will not arrive until the rebellion comes …”

8)  Jacob says, “If only those who have wisdom will understand how to calculate the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18), and if it requires the true believers (whose wisdom is Christ), then who will be here with the wisdom to do the calculation?  These cannot be the tribulation saints because if they had the wisdom they would not be here either.” [pg. 19]

Revelation 13:18
18 This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the beast’s number, for it is man’s number, and his number is 666.The bible does not say we have to know, it says, let the one who has insight calculate the number.  By the time THE Tribulation starts and the Holy Spirit is poured out on the earth, people will have the wisdom to calculate the number of the beast and know who it is for sure.  Or is Jacob contradicting himself and saying that the Holy Spirit won’t be on earth during THE Tribulation?  Contradictions, galore in this book.

9)  This is a classic:   Jacob accuses Pre-tribulationists of saying that the apostasy is actually the Rapture. He says, “Some even venture so far as to identify the apostasy (apostasia) as the Rapture, not, as the context dictates, the departure from the truth when a delusional judgment comes upon those rejecting the truth they once professed. (2 Thes 2:10-11) [pg. 20]     I have never heard of this before, Jacob must have dug deep to find this nonsense to add to his book to paint us with a tarred brush.   If one looks at how Jacob Prasch has twisted the truth, one would think he is under a strong delusion. (2 Thes 2:10-11)

10)  Jacob Prasch says “that a very good translation of Laodicea is as a compound Greek term lao-dikaomai meaning  “people’s rights” or “people’s opinions”. Pre-tribulationists may have a right to their opinion, but they have no right to expect others to believe it when they themselves admit they cannot prove it with a single verse or passage by an inductive exegetical means” [pg. 21]    Jacob, Pre-Tribulationists have never denied that they cannot prove their position.  If you have found someone who has changed their eschatological view, it’s only because if you look deeper you will find that more than likely their entire doctrine is  suspect.   If we look at you with a magnifying glass, we find that you twist scripture, fellowship with men who follow doctrines of demons, insist that Christians spend their time identifying Satan, and use extra biblical manuscripts called the Midrash to interpret the bible thereby completely negating the Holy Spirit – see below:

Jacob Prasch was asked by Richard Engstrom this question:

“Can a group of sincere, literate, English speaking people in isolation from the rest of the world, come to a COMPLETE understanding of ALL that God deeds to us through the Bible, if all they have in their possession is a KJV without notes (without Midrash, without Eidersheim, without Josephus)?”

Jacob’s answer was complicated, high-handed – but his basic reply was “NO!”

Engstrom comments:

“No matter how you slice it, his answer was NO! He denies that YOU, dear reader, can come to a COMPLETE understanding of ALL that God deeds to us through the Bible, if all you have in your possession is a KJV without notes (Midrash, without Eidersheim, without Josephus). You be the judge. Did I misrepresent his answer or not?”

Jacob’s full answer is now given:

“The Word of God was given in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic – not Elizabethan English. I accept the infallibility of the original manuscripts in the original languages, and not the infallibility of any translation, be it KJV or otherwise. Literacy in English is not a major factor, scripture demonstrates the importance of bringing out the original meaning in the original languages (e.g. Neh. 8:8 where after the captivity most people no longer knew Hebrew so the original Hebrew meaning had to be explained ). Hence, because I believe in the priority of the original languages (I have more faith in the bible than I do in translations of it ) MY ANSWER To YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS NO.”  —http://www.apostasynow.com/articles/midrash.html

Please read this article:  MIDRASH: THE CAMEL’S NOSE

We only need Jesus Christ to understand the Bible:

Revelation 3:7-8
7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write the following: “This is the solemn pronouncement of the Holy One, the True One, who holds the key of David, who opens doors no one can shut, and shuts doors no one can open:
8 ‘I know your deeds. (Look! I have put in front of you an open door that no one can shut.) I know that you have little strength, but you have obeyed my word and have not denied my name.

The Lord spoke of Himself as “…the True One, who holds the key of David, who opens doors no one can shut, and shuts doors no one can open” (3:7). This verse is clearly a reference to Isaiah 22:22. In that Isaiah passage he who had the key of David was the treasurer of David’s house. There it is said of Eliakim, “The key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.” The remainder of the passage shows that Eliakim was a type of the Lord Jesus Christ, the one on whom should be hung all the glory of His Father’s house. He, by His Spirit, opens the great treasure-house of divine truth, and none can shut it. On the other hand where there is perversity of spirit and an unwillingness to walk in the truth, He shuts and none can open. So He has said elsewhere, “If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness” (Matthew 6:23).

It is blessed to realize that, while Christ is said to have the key of David, there is another sense in which we see that He is the key. By the presentation of Himself to the souls of His people He opens up the treasures of His Word. Thus Christ is the key to the Holy Scriptures, and no other is needed. To understand the Bible you need only to know Christ. [Emphasis added] —  Dr Henry Ironside

The Bible is clear, no Midrash, no other extra biblical manuscripts or tools, just Jesus Christ is needed.  Jacob Prasch does not tell us the truth when he tells us that we need other tools to understand the Bible.

What is Midrash?

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If we go and read about Midrash here on Moriel’s website, we can clearly see that something is very very wrong.

The Midrash definition is extremely vague, so much so that Jacob Prasch says,

Unless someone has been educated in Judaism, Hebrew, or theology, it is easier to demonstrate midrash than to explain it.”   

How peculiar, why can’t he explain it, are we not smart enough?

Strangely enough Wickipedia can explain it.

Midrash (Hebrew plural midrashim, lit. “to investigate” or “study”) is a homiletic method of biblical exegesis. The term also refers to the whole compilation of homiletic teachings on the Bible.

Midrash is a way of interpreting biblical stories that goes beyond simple distillation of religious, legal or moral teachings. It fills in many gaps left in the biblical narrative regarding events and personalities that are only hinted at. [1]

So it helps you “go beyond” teachings and “fill in the gaps” of the Bible;  that is very interesting – basically you are adding “extra biblical revelation” to the bible.  Jewish websites and others will admit Midrash is a collection of stories, allegory, history, scientific observations and legend.  Jacob claims the word Midrash is supposedly mentioned in the bible, as he claims here in this article:   What does the Word of God Actually Say About Midrash?.  But then we need to ask ourselves so is Enoch mentioned in the Bible, this does not mean we now can read the Book of Enoch as something inspired.

I went to go and look through the bible for the word “Midrash” and I can’t find it, but then after reading Jacob Prasch’s articles, the word “Midrash” does actually appear, as the word “story”  – this is what Jacob deems to be “Midrash” in the Bible.

Strong’s Number H4097 matches the Hebrew (midrash), which occurs 2 times in 2 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the KJV (2Ch 13:22;  2Ch 24:27)

1) study, exposition, midrash, record, story
a) writings of a didactic nature
b) midrash – transliteration of the Hebrew word

Root Word (Etymology):   Hebrew (darash) – Strong’s Number H1875

meaning to resort to, seek, seek with care, enquire, require, search be it of God or of heathen Gods.

Hmmmm.  Really?  I think someone is a trying to make the Bible fit the Midrash.  Just because the word ‘story’ means Midrash, and the root of it means to ‘seek’,  it does not mean we can use stories and fables or ancient methods of study to investigate the bible.

Prasch states:

“You will never understand the Book of Revelation with the kind of limited approach to biblical interpretation that is taught in Protestant seminaries. Midrash is like a quadratic equation or a very complex second order differential equation, a thirteen or fourteen step equation. Some people take the first step of grammatical-historical exegesis and think the equation is solved”  [Emphasis added]The problem with the Reformers is that they only went so far. They made rules governing the application of their grammatical-historical system in order to refute medieval Roman Catholicism, and many of those rules are still taught in theological seminaries today.  [Emphasis added]

Jacob Prasch claims that you need to be well educated in Greek, Hebrew and a whole host of other rabbinical teachings to “truly understand scripture“.  This sounds very much like Roman Catholicism who only speak in Latin (so that you don’t understand) and tell their converts that they will never be smart enough to understand the bible; so you need to rely on specialist experts in all forms of theological studies to give you the message instead.

As I mentioned above, scripture is clear, you only need the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to be able to understand scripture and Christians through-out the centuries have done fantastically fine without Jacob Prasch and his Midrash.   Judging by the way Jacob has handled such simple scriptures as those mentioned at the very beginning of the article, I would say that a Reformer from a few hundreds of years ago could run circles around him and teach him a thing or two on CORRECT BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION.

But according to Prasch, it is just so terrible to think that the Reformers only went so far in their faith and could go no further without the Midrash.  It would seem Jacob Prasch is trying to take us back to the dark ages where the little people have to listen to the big people with regards to what the Bible says.  See (Galatians 4:2-12)  This is unbiblical.

Midrash and Kabbalah

And now we come to the FACT that there is a connection between Midrash and Kabbalah.  Surprise!!  Now, they say that the earlier Midrash differs from the later Medieval versions, but I mean who is pulling the wool over who’s eyes here?   These Jewish manuscripts, writings and studies are not OT Biblically inspired – this is where some of the Apocrypha (Magisterium, Canon Law, Sirach, Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Susanna) comes from.

Let’s go back to the Wickipedia definition of Midrash:

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“Midrash (Hebrew plural midrashim, lit. “to investigate” or “study”) is a Hebrew term referring to the not exact, but comparative (homiletic) method of exegesis (hermeneutic) of Biblical texts, which is one of four methods cumulatively called Pardes. The term midrash can also refer to a compilation of homiletic teachings (commentaries) on the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible), in the form of legal and ritual (Halakhah) and legendary, moralizing, folkloristic, and anecdotal (Aggadah) parts.”

What is Pardes?

“The term, sometimes also spelled PaRDeS, is an acronym formed from the name initials of these four approaches, which are:

eshat  – “plain” (simple) or the direct meaning.
Remez  – “hints” or the deep (allegoric) meaning beyond just the literal sense.
Derash – from Hebrew darash: “inquire” (seek) – the comparative (midrashic) meaning, as given through similar occurrences.
Sod (pronounced with a long O as in gold) – “secret” (mystery) or the mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.

Really?  “Secret, mystery, mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.”

It would seem that mysticism is denounced when it comes to other preachers who delve into it and even Jacob and his ministry are quick to label them as false teachers, but it is biblical when it comes to Midrash?  How is this possible? What stories has he spun over the eyes of those following him, that they have swallowed up the lie?  The Midrash is nothing but a very sly and sneaky way of getting believers involved in mysticism.

Multiple meanings for the Bible?

“Midrash makes heavy use of allegory and typology to illustrate and illuminate doctrine, but never as a basis for doctrine. It sees multiple meanings in Bible texts found in strata,”   [Emphasis added] — http://www.moriel.org/articles/sermons/midrash.htm

  1. Using Midrash to search through the Bible to illustrate and illuminate the doctrine – instead of the Holy Spirit who illuminates.
  2. You need a Jewish Rabbi to explain Midrash to you before you can have the “secret key” that will open the door to understanding.
  3. Use Midrash to searching for “secret knowledge
  4. Using Midrash to finding “multiple meanings” in the Bible.   Apparently the only way to find God’s proper truth is if you have multiple meanings.

Gnosticism teachers that the Bible cannot be understood as it is, you need to have a “secret key” which unlocks the “hidden mysteries” in the texts.  This is EXACTLY what Jacob Prasch presents to us under the banner of Christianity.

The Bible says…

John 14:26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

You do not need to understand Hebrew or Greek, or have a degree to understand the Bible, all you need is the Holy Spirit abiding in you.   Anyone who tells you that you need to look outside of scripture in order to understand it is not telling you the truth.

John MacArthur

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a)  Jacob Prasch says that Dr John Walvoord is a good man, excellent preacher and author like John MacArthur. [pg 16]

Who is John MacArthur?  A Calvinist who preaches that Jesus did not die for the whole world but for the Elect only. He preaches that you are not saved, you are CHOSEN by God before birth and that if you are Elect your children will be Elect.  John MacArthur denies the Blood of Jesus Christ and says it’s ‘just liquid’.  John MacArthur believes in a works based Salvation, called Lordship Salvation.

b) Jacob says, “Among these bretheren  are some of my closest personal friends who seek to uphold biblical truth in an age of apostasy where it is being eroded.  Among these are Dave Hunt, Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Dr David Hocking, Pastor Chuck Smith, Dr Thomas Ice, Dr Randolph Price…” [pg. 16]

I’m only going to focus on Chuck Smith.  Chuck  Smith is the founder of Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa and the Jesus Movement in the 70’s that  Jacob Prasch says he belonged too in the hippie days.  See Shadows of the Beast [pg.19]

Chuck Smith close and personal friends with Jacob Prasch

Who is Chuck Smith:

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Lonnie Frisbee

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Chuck Smith

“Actually “the Calvary Chapel Movement was essentially spawned by Lonnie Frisbee, not Chuck Smith. It was Chuck’s embracing of Frisbee that drew the massive crowds of young hippies during the Jesus Movement…who then grew up and were Institutionalized by the opportunistic and shrewd Businessman, Chuck Smith.

Can a healthy Spirit-Led Movement of God be founded upon a man, Lonnie Frisbee, who was doing LSD and having homosexual relations with other men on Saturday…and then preaching the “real” Jesus Christ and Gospel on Sunday?

Lonnie Frisbee’s life and struggles with drugs and homosexuality is well documented. He died of AIDS as a result of his homosexual lifestyle. A very sad end I wouldn’t wish on anyone.

Kathryn Kuhlman, another Calvary Chapel and Chuck Smith partner that was instrumental in the genesis of the Movement is hailed as the major influence in Benny Hinn’s life.  The hyper-Charismatic “faith healer”,

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Kathryn Kuhlman

Kuhlman, was very close to Smith and very much a part of the early days of CC.

Chuck Smith intervened with a Church Discipline Process with regards to David Hawking’s Adultery and sex scandal, circumventing another Church’s Scripturally motivated disciplinary process.

The list of scandals and cover-ups in Camp Calvary Chapel, Chuck Smith’s Progeny, is astounding. This site documents the tip

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Chuck Smith and Rick Warren apostacising together

of the Ice Burg (but we’ll get to many others in time, and the list keeps growing as more people contact me with information).

A defense I’ve heard from some in the Online Discernment community, the supposed “Watch People” of “Sound Doctrine” and “Apostasy” etc. is, “Well, Chuck Smith is a gifted bible teacher”…and that excuses the Scandals and lack of following Scripture in dealing with sin in the Camp.

Well, what happens if Chuck Smith is preaching Heresy with regards to a Core Doctrine of the Faith? Can Chuck Smith be “wrong” and have a “wrong interpretation of Scripture” on a foundational issue like the Resurrection? Personhood? (Who the “real me” is).

I submit that Chuck Smith cannot be wrong on the Doctrine of Resurrection and be trusted as a true Prophet of God. The issue of Resurrection is key to our Faith. If one is “wrong” on the Resurrection…then others (Gnostics, Emergents, RCC, Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, you name it) can be “wrong”, too, and it shouldn’t rise to the level of calling out the different “interpretation”…if we can just ignore something as serious as a Heretical View of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and of the Saints.”

“What does Chuck Smith say about who “we” are as “the Real Me”? What is Chuck Smith’s teaching regarding the Doctrine of Resurrection?

Chuck Smith teaches that (in his own words, see video) that “the REAL ME is spirit“…classic Gnosticism.

Chuck Smith goes on to teach a Doctrine of Resurrection of both Jesus Christ and the Saints where “your spirit LEAVES your body” and “goes into a NEW body” after you die. Classic Jehovah’s Witness Theology.

He goes on to explain that Jesus Christ had a “similar but different” body when He Resurrected. It is not the “same” Physical Body that has been Glorified, but rather the “spirit” of Jesus (and our “spirit” who is the “real me“) LEAVES our “old bodies” and then migrates to a “new body“…some Quasi-Spirit Body. This is Heresy.

I call on Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel to repent of their Heresy regarding the Doctrine of Resurrection. They cannot be “wrong” on this Core Foundational issue as the Gnostics and Jehovah’s Witnesses are. If we compromise the integrity of this Foundational Truth…then we are on a Slippery Slope and we are preaching a “different Jesus”.

There is no “old body” in the Tomb that Jesus arose from. Jesus Christ has “one” Literal Physical Earthly Body that was Glorified. We have one Literal Physical Earthly Body that is “the real us” that is Glorified.   Jesus’s “spirit” and our “spirit” does not “leave our old body” and migrate to some “new body” that is a Quasi-Spirit Body. That is JW and Gnostic and off the Reservation of Christian orthodoxy.”      [Emphasis added]    — http://calvarychapelabuse.com/wordpress/?p=998

2 Corinthians 6:14-15
14 Be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion has light with darkness?
15 And what concord has Christ with Belial? or what part has he that believes with an infidel?

Ephesians 5:11
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

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John Chingford

Elisheva QUICK wrote:

Criticism is to be done for the purpose of RESTORATION, not condemnation .
There is a fine line and balance between legalism, fault finding and necessary protection.
“Sela”

Elisheva, I appreciate the sentiment. In most cases you are absolutely right. We do try (as much as possible) to do exactly that i.e restore such a one, but many of these BIG named public speakers are well past that stage and become so proud and arrogant that they do not listen anymore. What did the apostle Paul say or advise in such cases? Here are 2 examples:

Rom 16:17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them

The next is an example of Paul naming names:

2 Tim 4:14 says Alexander the metalworker did me a great deal of harm. The Lord will repay him for what he has done. 15 You too should be on your guard against him, because he strongly opposed our message.

Redeemed

Paul, your aspirations are commendable, but I don’t know what “good expositors” you are referring to. if you mean those who are high profile. They have fallen like dominoes and they prop each other up in their networks and associations. I would rather think that pigs will fly before we see them humble themselves.

The ones we should pray for are the nondescript discerners and watchers who are doing what they can to alert the Church and the humble pastors who faithfully plow the ground they have been given in their little churches. They are out there and have been largely forgotten and considered unimportant because they don’t have any published books or large ministries. They are the true heroes of the faith.

Duane

Hey Guys
(1)Comments on Mark Biltz
(2)What is the concern Biblically with KH (Chuck Missler)

York

Hi

I am new here, and this site site is very good in the sense that it promotes healthy discussion about important aspects of christianity.

I have read some of Jacov Prasch’s articles and find them very informative.
When I first came across these teachings, it sort of rocked at my foundational understandings of scripture. The more I prayed about it, seeking the illuminating power of the Holy Spirit, the more I realized that there is a lot of truth to be found here.

I do not have enough knowledge of Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic or Latin, but I know that people will argue even if using a dictionary for these languages. Because, you have to ask, who wrote the dictionary itself ?

I don’t have a problem believing that there will an anti-Christ, since the bible is clear about the “son of perdition”.

I believe it could very well be the last pope, since he will unify all the world religions together.

A person does not have to believe Midrash in order to be saved. It is there for deeper understanding of scripture.

It is also correct to identify false teachers based on the evidence, since that is what Paul did. We must protect the flock from the wolves. There are so many of these wolves out there in the world today. identifying word-faith prosperity preachers should be a given for a true christian, as their heresies are obvious.

However when you go to the “next level”, you will find things become more subtle. For example annihilationism says that our souls will be “destroyed”, but the bible indicates that the souls of the wicked will be “tormented forever”.

I know Rob Bell teaches annihilationism, or at least “implies” it. This is severe heresy since it makes a mockery of the work on the cross, and, it actually gives people license to sin, since a person can say,”Oh well I am going to dissappear anyway,so I am OK”.

What we should not do however is to condemn a person to hell based on a certain teaching. Only God knows whether that person can still come to repentance before death. We should pray for them.
In fact the bible says that if you condemn someone else you condemn yourself. This is why I NEVER say to someone ,”You are going to hell”. One can only warn a person about the DANGERS of hell, IF they carry on in a certain lifestyle.

The complicated part comes in when you consider that the bible says that the standard of judgement that you apply to someone else shall be applied to you. Now this raises several questions :

1. If you insist that a believer MUST believe a certain set of doctrines in a certain way, then what are those doctrines ? How do those doctrines affect a person’s salvation ? Could it maybe also indicate that they were never saved to begin with ?
I can think of an example. I have a friend who follows the health, wealth prosperity teachings of Kenneth Copeland and applies it to his life. We have had numerous discussions about this, but his heart remains hardened, due to the fact that I believe he has the “spirit of delusion” in him refered to in the book of thessalonians.
Only the Holy Spirit can change him now, and until that happens I believe he is in grace danger of going to hell.

2. If we impose a set of doctrines upon others, will God not then be more strict about our personal doctrinal views ? Will He not one day say,”You told others to believe this and that, but you failed to believe this, therefore I reject you” ?

3. Also, will He not be more strict about our lifestyle and our sins, especially if we tell others that a certain activity is a sin, but then we practise something that is actually related to that ? For example there are people that software for online casinos. Are they condemned to hell ? Especially if you consider that these sites ruin people’s lives. Then again there are those who say that it’s no different than working for a company that sells liquor,beer and wine. But is it ? The bible doesn’t condemn drinking, only excessive drinking, but gambling is IN OF ITSELF wrong according to the allusions in scripture and it’s implications.

But ethics and morality is another discussion.

Let us love one another and help one another and carry each other’s burdens, and let us not become spiritually proud, since NO ONE has all the answers, since no one is like God.
Keep safe in Jesus name
Cheers

Jacob Prasch

In the book “Shadows of The Beast” i go to great lenths in the oreface to pay due tribute to my pre trib brethren , endrsing by name the ministries of several of them.

The invented out abd out lie by “Deborah” that I call such brethren heretics in the book or elsewhere is a vicious and demonstrable lie obviolly embraced by her lunatic followers such as “Redeemed” etc. Sherry B. rather statss vicious things. One of these religious fruitcakes calls those not in agreeement with pre trib, “Ministers of Satan”. The point is that it is fully documented that Deborah is lied and spread slander. We are warned such people would come in the last days by Paul in 2 Tim. 3:3 where the term for such liars as Deborah is “diaboloi” or demonic people. Plainly, anyone who tells such obvious lies aimed to misrepresent the truth to others with an intent to defame is demonic. The Word of God, not Jacob Prasch , calls Deborah ‘demonic’.

Redeemed and the Mawany etc. who believe her on face value without examining the facts themselves which prove she lied are in violation of
The Word of God themselves (John 7:51). I will not comment on William Saunders because I know him to be a deceiver who secretly tape records conversations with an aim to distortion abd entrapment and such a low life is not worth the time of day.

Deborah however delights in lying. Another lof her lies is that I am anti KJV. The article and recording I did in the public domain entitled “the Plastic Bible” only has me expressing hatred fir ‘The Message’, inclusivist translations, and the 2012 gender inclusive edition of the NIV. The KJV however is endorsed in that transcript and on that recording as a valid translation. In the book I authored on Laodicea, William Tyndale ( upon whose earlier work the majority of the KJV was based by Coverdale etc.) is extolled as a great hero for Christ and Erasmus of Rotterdam, who fused together the four earlier Byzantian manuscripts into the Textus Receptus which forms most of the Greek basis for the KJV New Testament is lauded as a great scholar who did more to engender Reformation than Luther.
Please read fir yourselves, Deborah is. Proven liar abd be prima faci documented as a liar in any court of law by the rules of Juris Prudence although I do not sue other Christians despite the fact that I must question if this slandering witch and daughter of Jezabel is one. No liar shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven . I hope this pathological liar repents for her own sake.

Not only is she a liar however, she is a fraud and a charlatan. What makes her an ignoramus is not that she did not know that midrash was actually in the scriptures, nor that she associated my belief in what is scriptural with the later writings of the rabbis they too called midrash which I in the book openly warn against ( she loves to identify me with what I have actively opposed). These things just add further credence to the fact that she is nothing more than a contemptable demonised liar.

What makes her an ignoramus is that she misrepresents herself chronically as knowing things she plainly does not be ause of her narcissistic arrogance.

Anyone wanting a bibliography of conservative Evangelical scholars who affirm the use of scriptural midrash by the New Testament authors which accounts for the way the manner in which the New Testament handles the Old Testament, or woshes to know the difference between the use of midrash in scripture and the later corruptions of the term by the rabbis is invited to visit the Moriel website and other websites examining these issues,

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John whom we can the Evangelists authored four gospels in the First century. Hundreds if years later in the fourth and fifth centuries Gnostic herestic authored other fraudulent accounts of Jesus they also called gospels ( eg. The Gopel of Thomas accepted by Islam). Anyone who rejects Matthew , Mark, Luke, and John because centuries later gnostics wrote other so called gospels would have to be an idiot.

Likewise, while I do not believe we need extra biblical sources to understand God’s Word ( and never have contrary to the filthy lies of a filthy demon inspired liar named Deborah) , to reject a perfectly scriptural hermeneutic like Midrash because rabbis came along centuries and wrote rubbish they called midrash would be the same brand if idiocy. Deborah is just such an idiot.

Not knowing who the late Dallas Semi ary President John Walvoord is in regard to pre trib is like not knowing who Luther is regarding the Reformation. Shre stupidly writes that if read from the begining 2 Thessalonians 2 is not about the rapture when Paul states absolutely in the first verse that it is about the ‘episunagoge’ our gathering to Jesus at His coming (at which point The Day of The Lord’ is inaugerated). This is a very stupid woman indeed. Proverbs warns us that even a know nothing appears wise if they have the common sense to keep their mouth shut when they do not know what they are talking about.

Why would anyone other than an undiscerning simpleton pay any attention to a slandering witch motivated by demons? Why would people like Redeemed etc. disregard the Wordif The Word and swallow open lies while claiming to have discernment.

John Chingford apologised for his attempts to associate me with Laussane which I left in protest over 15 years ago and have warned against and even signed a petition against. True, his efforts to link me via Chuck Smith to Lonnie Frisbee and Kathryn Kuhlman, two figures I never even met but have in print warned against. Wereinfuriating. It did result in my calling him a crackpot and a thus etc.

But your bloggers overlook the established fact that what he wrote against me is proven wrong and he himself now apologetically admits was wrong.

If anyone has real discernment, they will avoid this disgusting liar . She is inspired by demons , she us ignorant of the matters she asserts herself about, and above all she is proven to be acompulsive patholigical liar.

Those on this website are fellowshipping not in truth or in the Spirit of Jesus, but in ignorance, stupidity, and lies.

These are the facts.

I only rise to my defense for the sake of any young believers being miled by this wicked daughter of darkness and the demons from whom she unknowingly takes her orders.

I warn you from The Word of God on the basis of the documented facts that Deborah is a servant of demons. Examine the facts, examine the scriptures and stand accountable before God for your own decisions.

In Christ,

Jacob Prasch
Moriel

[Edited by DTW: 3/12/2012 – HERE IS A SCAN OF PAGES 20 and 21: JacobPrasch-ShadowsOfTheBeastQuotes-Pg20,pg21]

Redeemed

Mr. Prasch’s references to Deborah are shocking:

7 times Liar
2 times Pathological Liar
3 times Slanderer
1 time Fraud
1 time Narcissist
1 time Charlatan
7 times Demonic
2 times Witch
1 time Daughter of Jezebel
1 time Ignoramus
1 time Wicked Daughter of Darkness
1 time Idiot
1 time Stupid

How can these be the words of a man of God?

Mr. Prasch presumes to judge the heart which the Word of God forbids. No one here has judged either Mr. Prasch’s heart or his motives.

Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you with all malice. And be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you”. Ephesians 5: 29-32

“So then my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.” James 1:19-20

Jesus said in Matthew 5:44: But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.

Therefore, Mr. Prasch, I choose to overlook your insults and hateful remarks to me personally and pray for you. I will not respond in kind, but rather extend to you a blessing. I am truly concerned for you.

Micheline

Dear Mr Prasch,

As a young person in Christ, I was given a few CDs and DVDs by people who wanted me to learn more about our Saviour. I listened to your “The Belt of Truth” sermon and enjoyed your presentation, actually I learned a lot – Thank you.

It is however heart-breaking to have read your post above. As a man of such knowledge on the Scriptures, I expected a different approach from a man of your stature.

I was reminded of Mat 12:34, where the Lord speaks of “the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.”

Yes, I am a nobody, my words probably will have no effect on you BUT you have lost a listener.

Andy

Jacob Prasch first turned me and my wife (a Jewish believer) OFF over his continual rancid speech, calling people “stupid”, “lunatic”, and so on. I need not add any addition to what he wrote. He showed you himself of what attitude his speech takes, filled with pride and blind arrogance.

Then once I examined his doctrine, I found that he teaches you can lose salvation, which is a false gospel. I would assume that he figures berating people is not going to make him “lose” his salvation?

Then I saw how he plays both sides of doctrinal issues, agreeing with two contradictory doctrinal views at the same time. Bizarre. What more can be added about who he is? He showed you his true colors in his own post.

William Saunders

Jacob said –

“I will not comment on William Saunders because I know him to be a deceiver who secretly tape records conversations with an aim to distortion abd entrapment and such a low life is not worth the time of day.”

    In January 2011, Roger Oakland found out someone was spreading such incredible destructive rumors about Roger, rumors that could destroy someone and/or their ministry. Roger had no idea who it was.

    Myself and Martin Hardy (who were both working for Roger) found out who that was and reported it back to Roger. Roger had no idea we were “going to bat” for him.

    The only comment we said was “What’s up with Roger?” and the person went in to “Roger Oakland destruction mode” using CLINICAL terms. It was that easy, we didn’t have to say anything else. Totally the Lord.

Looking back on the whole thing, knowing what we know today, we see what is really happening.

In our ignorance, Martin & I thought we were going out to Phoenix, AZ to stick up for one of the “good guys” (Roger Oakland) in the midst of all these apostate guys.

Now we see it’s just a bunch of “bad guys” that are all fighting for position & prominence while the apostate gullible sheep are clueless.

The apostate gullible sheep have no idea of the profanity, greed for money/power/position that takes place “behind the scenes” with all these guys at the top of what is considered “Christian leadership”.

So, what we have seen is infighting taking place at the top while they all have to maintain the perception that everything is OK to the apostate gullible sheep. It’s so bogus.

Unless you see it for yourselves, it really is hard to believe. These guys all have the awareness they need to “maintain” the perception in front of “the sheep” but when nobody is looking it’s “gloves off”.

Jesus told us in Matthew 7:20 – “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

Look at the FRUIT!! Look at the FRUIT!! Look at the FRUIT!!

Galatians 5:22-23 – “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 MEEKNESS, temperance: against such there is no law.”

Jacob Prasch HIMSELF just laid out for us his fruit, it was a gift from the Lord.

Did you see any humility? NONE!!

The gullible followers will say it’s FRUSTRATION. We know that’s baloney.

When I pray, I ask the Lord that these guys would expose themselves, that unless these guys repent every move would be the wrong move. The Lord has been answering that prayer for sometime now.

The problem with the apostate gullible sheep is they trust men (Jer 17:5) and they are NOT being Bereans.

They find some guy they “really like” but have NEVER observed their fruit because it’s nearly impossible.

One has to spend much personal time with an individual to really observe their fruit. That’s not happening with all these alleged “Christian leaders”. Really when you think about it, somebody else could be writing all their material and nobody would know it. Unless you observe their fruit.

Simply put, what we have discovered is that their actions aren’t lining up with what they are saying.

I mean, how can Chuck Missler (who everyone says is doctrinal) be partnered with Tim LaHaye/Sun Myung Moon?

If Chuck Missler is so “doctrinal”, how can he be connected to an antichrist through Tim LaHaye?

Chuck Missler actually answered that question in the July 2012 “Personal Update” here is the article on that –

http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2012/10/chuck-misslers-open-defiance-to-word-of.html

Chuck Missler uses the excuse he doesn’t speak out because “he doesn’t know their hearts”, well neither did the Apostle Paul “know their hearts” when Paul was naming names.

Theology & PhDs don’t replace obedience to The Word Of God.

However, to the apostate gullible sheep, they do.

True discernment starts with FEAR OF THE LORD.

Malachi 3:16-18 – “Then they that FEARED THE LORD spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for them that FEARED THE LORD, and that thought upon His name.

17 And they shall be Mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up My jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

18 Then shall ye return, and DISCERN BETWEEN THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE WICKED, between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not.”

The church doesn’t need bogu$ di$cernment mini$trie$, just fear the Lord and obey The Word Of God by loving Jesus (John 14:15). The Holy Spirit comes through obedience (Acts 5:32).

The Lord gives us the GRACE FOR OBEDIENCE –

Romans 1:5 – “By whom WE HAVE RECEIVED GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE to the faith among all nations, for His name”

The Lord has given us grace to LOVE HIM. Trust completely in His word, in Him to lead you in to ALL TRUTH. Complete trust.

Marion

Duane…type Chuck Missler in the search bar at the top of this site. You will have your answers. Then type in Nancy Missler…there you will find more answers.

John Chingford

Hi Guys

That was the last straw. I have now written a new article on my blog entitled “Are These The Words/Actions Of a True Man Of God?” on [removed]

It is an article requesting the true church to stand up collectively against the unwarranted rants by Jacob.

On the subject. Jacob said that I linked him to Lonnie Frisbess and Kathryn Kuhlman. No I didn’t!!! Where did he get that from?

John Chingford

Dear Debs

One thing at a time lol

My article links to your article. My readers can see for themselves regarding the things you wrote. At present I have little time to write articles, so have not got time to delve into it properly. You have done a fine job of that yourself. This is why (for the meanwhile) I have linked my article to yours.

I was inspired to write my article because one of your readers said that they used to support Jacob, but after seeing that rant, they have realised they can no longer do so. Therefore, I thought that exposing the rant is really the first step to exposing all the other stuff.

William Saunders

7 times Liar
2 times Pathological Liar
3 times Slanderer
1 time Fraud
1 time Narcissist
1 time Charlatan
7 times Demonic
2 times Witch
1 time Daughter of Jezebel
1 time Ignoramus
1 time Wicked Daughter of Darkness
1 time Idiot
1 time Stupid

In Christ,

Jacob Prasch
Moriel

John Chingford

Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

What about the rest of his false teaching that I keep listing over and over. His bad attitude is because of his false beliefs.

One thing at a time dear Debs lol

My article links to your article. My readers can see for themselves regarding the things you wrote. At present I have little time to write articles, so have not got time to delve into it properly. You have done a fine job of that yourself. This is why (for the meanwhile) I have linked my article to yours.
I was inspired to write my article because one of your readers said that they used to support Jacob, but after seeing that rant, they have realised they can no longer do so. Therefore, I thought that exposing the rant is really the first step to exposing all the other stuff.

York

Hi Deborah, York here
 
Thanks for the reply to my blog. Do you have your own ministry ? Where are you based ? We should have more discussions about these issues, but we should do it in love.
 
The bible does say that we should carry each other’s burdens. This is the fruit of the spirit. I know that Jacov Prasch can get personal at times, and I certainly don’t approve of the name calling, I mean personal insults. Jesus says whoever calls his brother a fool is danger of the hell fire. This is why I would never call anyone a fool directly.
 
We can have our disagreements, but, in needs to be done in love and harmony. We are going to be held accountable for every idle word we speak.
 
Are you on facebook ? 
 
You see a lot of times allegations get thrown around which cannot really be proven because it’s just heresay. In a court of law you need evidence, not opinions. 
 
I would disagree with you saying that a person can have all the answers. Are you God ? We are not meant to have all the answers. God will give us the answers that we need to the issues that are important for our lives and have direct affects on our salvation.
 
We shouldn’t idolize any teacher, since we do not follow man, but Jesus.
 
The problem is those who have a lot of knowledge because proud, sometimes spiritually proud.
 
Then look at the fundamental aspects of the bible in the simplest possible way.
 
1. There is going to be a son of perdition, who will exalt himself to the same level as God in Jerusalem.
2. There “might” be a rapture, since scripture alludes to it, but we don’t know exactly when it will happen,”no one knows the time or the hour”. Anything else is just speculation.
3. There are many true christians who believe in the Second Coming, but not the rapture, that doesn’t make them any less of a christian, and it certainly doesn’t condemn them to hell.
4. If we try and shove fundamentalism down people’s throats, it will just lead to atheism.
5. Hell is eternal, there is no escape, no annihilation, no mercy for the soul.
6. It is safer to believe that we can lose our salvation, since that will keep us from deliberate sin. Let us strive to be only “surprised” by sin.
7. We are living in a time where christians are calling evil good and good evil.
8. A person does not need “Midrash” in order to be saved. They just need the plain gospel message.
9. God is going to judge our motives, and our hearts, in fact He searches the hearts of christian around the world.
10. Not all who say unto me ‘Lord,Lord” shall enter the kingdom of heaven. This is a serious warning to christians, that they should not live lukewarm lifestyles as did the church of Laodicea. There are also going to be “christians” who will claim to the Lord on judgement day that they cast out demons, healed the sick, fed the poor, yet they will be rejected, why is this ? Because they are following their own will instead of God’s will. I believe these are the ones who are connected to the word-faith prosperity preachers and other false “sects”.
 
There are more fundamentals, but…I am going to bed now
 
Keep safe in Jesus name
Cheers
 

Duane

@ Marion:

Thanks Marion

Jacob Prasch

@ Michael:

Direct quote from ” shaows of the Beast” page 16:
“Most pre tribulationists are in many ways excellent preachers and authors. Among these brethrn are manyof my closest personal friends who seek to uphold biblical truth in an age of apostay when it is being eroded”.

Does this sound like I me calling pre trib brethren “heretics” and “false prophets”? Read the book for yourself. The documented proven fact is that Deborah is a slanderer and a liar. And yes 2 Timothy 3:3 calls such people demonic in the original Greek text. If you are offended thatt the one lied against documents the liar to be a liar, you have a very serious problem.

Likewise, I have no eumenical links and actively oppose ecumensm. I have never known Lonnie Frisbee or Kathryn Kuhlman and have warned about both. John Chingford ( not his real name) has in the pat lied against everyone from Bob Mitchell to Tony Pearce, so I suppose it just my turn.

But please don’t blame me for telling you the truth about people who Told you lies. All I did was respond to lies and the proven liars who mislead you who told them. That is all. I dpeak of these people the wy Jess spoke of religious liars in Matthew 23.
I am the victim of proven lies by a proven liar. Yes, be a good Christian, blame the victim. Pity the liar who deceived you. How discerning!

God Bless,

Jacob Prasch

[Edited by DTW: 3/12/2012 – HERE IS A SCAN OF PAGES 20 and 21 of YOUR BOOKS JACOB where you call us false christ/prophets and say we are deceiving the Elect: JacobPrasch-ShadowsOfTheBeastQuotes-Pg20,pg21]

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