Angus Buchan’s Holy Ghost Chaos or…

Angus Buchan - Feast Of Tabernacles - holy ghostAngus Buchan’s Holy Ghost Chaos or….was it Something Else.

This was posted by Angus Buchan on his Facebook page.  A most bizarre letter to the public detailing his trip to the Dead Sea.   Please see my notes in GREEN.

Letter from Angus Buchan:

Dear Friends

The young man that accompanied me on my trip to Israel, after experiencing the phenomenon that I am about to relate to you said to me that he does not believe that we will see anything like this again in our lifetime.

I was asked to be the keynote speaker for the event at ‘The Feast of the Tabernacle 2012’ down at the Dead Sea, at Ein Gedi. It is an annual event that has been taking place for over thirty years. There was a crowd there of approximately four and a half thousand pilgrims from every corner of the earth (very significant), because at the time of the visitation of the Holy Spirit to the disciples in the ‘upper room’ people had congregated in Jerusalem from all the corners of the earth as well.

[DTW note:  What a load of nonsense.  The Pentecost in the book of Acts was a ONCE OFF occurrence. The Pentecost signaled the beginning of the church age.

The only reference to the actual events of Pentecost is (Acts 2:1-4). Pentecost is reminiscent of the Last Supper; in both instances the disciples are together in a house for what proves to be an important event. At the Last Supper the disciples witness the end of the Messiah’s earthly ministry as He asks them to remember Him after His death until He returns. At Pentecost, the disciples witness the birth of the New Testament church in the coming of the Holy Spirit to indwell all believers. Thus the scene of the disciples in a room at Pentecost commences with the beginning of the Holy Spirit’s work in the church with the conclusion of Christ’s earthly ministry in the upper room before the crucifixion.

Another aspect of the Day of Pentecost is the miraculous speaking in foreign tongues which enabled people from various language groups to understand the message of the apostles. In addition is the bold and incisive preaching of Peter to a Jewish audience. The effect of the sermon was powerful, as listeners were “cut to the heart” (Acts 2:37) and instructed by Peter to “repent, and be baptized” (Acts 2:38).  The narrative concludes with 3000 souls being saved, the breaking of bread and prayers, apostolic signs and wonders, and a Utopian community formed in which everyone’s needs were met.

Is Angus Buchan implying that his meeting was ANOTHER Pentecost? Signalling the beginning of ANOTHER church Age? Impossible.]

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When I arrived it was exceedingly hot, as always at the Dead Sea. There was a tremendous anticipation in the air of what God was going to do. The organizers had told me at the Christian embassy that they were expecting God to make a change. They had been praying and fasting that the Lord would bring a new season into the life of the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem (ICEJ). I was escorted to my seat in the front so that I could get onto the platform easily and the atmosphere was one of peace and joy. There were dancers dancing for the Lord from literally all over the world. The music team was amazing. Afro American singers from the United States of America, musicians from all over Europe and I could almost see the Lord was smiling from heaven. Eventually they called me up to the stage and they prayed for me and every one settled down to hear the Word of God.

I opened my Bible (it’s a heavy red coloured study Bible) and in the NKJ version I started to read from Act 2:1-4, it was speaking about the Holy Spirit visiting the disciples in the ‘upper room’. Verse 2 talks about a mighty rushing wind which came through and tongues of fire settled on each one of the disciples heads in that room. I had no sooner finished reading that scripture which was reminding them that Peter went out after that and preached. His first sermon that he ever preached three thousand people came to Christ. A man who had denied the Lord three times and who literally had been a coward was now being transformed. Why? Because he had been baptised in the Holy Ghost.

[DTW note:  Peter could preach so magnificently because of the Holy Spirit yes, but not because it was a “baptism in the Holy Ghost” as seen in today’s churches that Angus Buchan would have us believe.  Note, AFTER the Pentecost experience, Peter went out to peach and the 3000 who came to salvation did not experience the ‘wind and tongues of fire above their heads’ that those in the upper room experienced. Because what happened in the upper room was a special experience – God was empowering them for the Great Commission.]

As soon as I finished reading I closed my Bible and started to walk on the platform like I normally do, up and down … and a wind came from no where. Literally a mighty rushing wind, that seemed to be coming from every side, from the north, south, east and the west at one time. It was a wind I can only describe it was very similar to what a tornado must be like, because it blew that heavy Bible straight off the lectern. It started blowing all the overhead screens, ripping them to shreds, dust was everywhere and it started to rain.

[DTW note:  I don’t read anywhere in the bible that the Holy Spirit is destructive]

I need to remind you that the Dead Sea is not called the Dead Sea for nothing; there is not a blade of grass in that place. It looks like the moon; it is a real dessert area. That’s the place where David hid from King Saul, when Saul was trying to kill him. They never get wind there, wind does not blow in the valleys – wind is known to blow on the mountains. We are not talking of the Sea of Galilee which is alive and vibrant with fresh water we are talking about the Dead Sea where the water is so salty and so stagnant that people can not actually sink, you can not drown in the Dead Sea.

This wind came from nowhere. It started blowing and as the intensity grew and as I started welcoming the Holy Spirit and saying “Come Holy Spirit”, the wind intensified and the structure started shaking, a huge platform with a steal girders above me where multicoloured lights were mounted. A beautiful setting and it was like God just stripped everything. I found myself standing on the platform on my own with nothing, except a microphone. I went through three microphones that night. The third one they had to give me on a direct lead, an electrical cord. One of the organizers in the front, a Norwegian by the name of Jan who brought his OB tuck by ship all the way from Norway to film the event live back to Scandinavia said a man from the far East who couldn’t speak English was shouting to him “fire, fire” and he understood that it was the fire of God coming downwhich it was by the way. But he looked around and eventually saw that the electrical cables going from his OB truck had caught on fire.

The satellite link was cut off because of the mighty wind that was blowing. I started to speak in tongues, I started singing in tongues. I encouraged the people to do the same, they got on their knees, then they stood up and then they were crying, we were laughing, it was literally “Holy Ghost chaos.” 

[DTW note:  Angus Buchan spoke and sang in gibberish which he considers tongues!  And encourages everyone to to the same.  The bible on the other hand says that at Pentecost, they spoke human languages that they themselves did not understand. 

Acts 2:6-11

Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
Acts 2:7 And they were all amazed and marveled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Acts 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Acts 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Acts 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Acts 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

So as you can see it is clear that people from other areas could understand the Galilaeans speaking the Word of God in their language.  It was not gibberish or gobildy gook that Angus Buchan and the rest of the false church speaks today.

The ‘gift of tongues’ given to the early church was given as the Holy Spirit willed. Because the Holy Spirit is sovereign. No one has the right to demand that he be given any certain gift or gifts as an evidence of the Holy Spirit’s baptism.  Tongues was certainly not evidence of salvation.  For example, some people in the Corinthian church were given the gift of tongues to edify the church – this tongue was an earthly language.

1Cor 14:2 “For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.”

G1100  glossa (glows-sah) n.
1. the tongue
2. (by implication) a language
3. (specially) a language not naturally acquired

The Corinthian church did not have the Bible, so the gift of tongues was needed, but then they ceased.  Corinth, was a market visted by many a merchant from Asia, Africa, and Europe, and had a wildly mixed population speaking many a different language.  To exercise of the gift of tongues in preaching bought many an unbeliever to salvation.

1Cor 13:8  “Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.”

But, tongues served their purpose, a very useful one, in authenticating the Message that was delivered as being DIVINE;  these signs followed the proclamation of the truth. Now with God’s complete revelation in our hands (the Bible), we do not require signs to manifest it as the Word of the Lord. When preached in power, it authenticates itself]

Please see this article explaining “Tongues” – Speaking in Tongues

I can only explain it like this, it was like the Lord took His hand from heaven and He wiped it clean from anything that we had tried to do, there was nothing left. I was standing alone, I was leaning into the wind to try and keep my balance and God was moving amongst the people.

Every nation on earth was represented. I am an Evangelist, I am aware of my responsibility to preach the Gospel and to pray the sinner’s prayer with unbelievers. Well I want to tell you for the first time in my life I never even made an alter call and the people started running forward. Hundreds and Hundreds of them. Then something else that I have never done in my life before, the Israeli crew that was responsible for erecting the stage area pleaded with me to please tell the people to go back to their seats because they were afraid that the structure was going to collapse. But no one was listening to me; they were experiencing a tangible manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

[DTW note:  I don’t believe it, why would God come and destroy your stage?  We have 1 of 2 things happening here.  1) This is God’s judgement on you and your false teaching;  that you dare come to God’s land Israel and speak your Latter Rain false teaching there.  2) Because you love your signs and wonders so much, and people prayed for ‘God’ to make a change, Satan jumped right in and blew up a tempest wind that you mistook as being the Holy Spirit.  Well your god really did make a change, he re-arranged your stage for you and left you standing with nothing, so much so that you could not preach (which was probably a good thing, considering it’s Latter Rain false doctrine anyhow)]

Just as a matter of interest, let’s see how the Holy Spirit of the Bible operates:

Who is the Holy Spirit?

  • The Holy Spirit is God, the third Person of the Trinity.  (Acts 5:3-4)
  • The Holy Spirit is a divine person, a being with a mind, emotions, and a will. (1 Corinthians 2:10; Ephesians 4:30; 1 Corinthians 12:7-11)
  • The Holy Spirit is also omnipresence (Psalm 139:7-8)
  • The Holy Spirit is omniscience (1 Corinthians 2:10-11)
  • The Holy Spirit intercedes for us when we can’t pray (Romans 8:26-27)
  • The Holy Spirit is Helper our Comforter and our Counsellor (John 14:16,26; 15:26)
  • The Holy Spirit will guide us and lead us into all Truth according to Biblical scripture. (John 16:12)A crucial part of the truth the Holy Spirit reveals is that Jesus is who He said He is (John 15:26; 1 Corinthians 12:3)
    • There is NO extra-biblical revelation from the Holy Spirit.
  • The Holy Spirit’s role is that of gift-giver (Corinthians 12)The Holy Spirit is also the fruit producer in our lives (Galatians 5:22-23)
    • The Holy Spirit convinces us of Jesus Christ’s deity and incarnation, that He is the Messiah, i.e.,
    • He gives glory to Christ in all things.  (John 16:14)

How do we receive the Holy Spirit

  • We receive the Holy Spirit the moment we receive Jesus Christ as our Saviour. (1 Corinthians 12:13)
  • We receive the Holy Spirit by simply receiving the Lord Jesus Christ as our Saviour (John 3:5-16)

Are there any happenings that go with the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

  • No, the evidence of a genuine salvation is you are now not controlled by your sinful nature but by the Holy Spirit. (Romans 8:9)
  • Chastisement by the Holy Spirit when we sin to repent of our sin and not sin again. (Hebrews 12:6-7; Hebrews 12:8)
  • Evidence of being born again is:
    • Obeying scripture, God’s commandments.  (1 John 2:5)
    • Respecting God’s pronouncements as authoritative in your life. Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour. (1 John 1:8)
    • No more love for the world. (1 John 2:15)
    • Living in daily awareness that Jesus Christ will return for His own! (1 John 3:2-3)
    • You are sinning less now than when you first made a profession of faith in Christ. You hate sinning.  (1 John 3:9)
    • Love for other believers in Jesus Christ. (1 John 3:14)
    • Pray all the time and having prayers answered. (1 John 3:22)
    • Sharp Discernment as you find it easy to sort out the claims of various religions, etc. (1 John 4:1)
    • You have a conscious awareness that the Holy Spirit of God lives in you. He teaches you things from the Scriptures on a regular basis. (1 John 4:13)

What does ‘Walking in the Spirit’ mean?.  What does being “Filled by the Holy Spirit’ mean?

  • The Filling of the Holy Spirit is an ongoing process in the Christian life as we grow in Holiness.  Also known as to “walk in the Spirit; It is to follow the Holy Spirit’s leading.
  • It is essentially to “walk with” the Holy Spirit, allowing Him to guide your steps and conform your mind. (Ephesians 4:1; Philippians 1:27)

Evidence or Signs and Wonders:

  • Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2)
  • If we need healing or deliverance we are to ask HIM DIRECTLY through prayer and He will heal us.
    • We do not need to go to men with so called ‘gifts of healing’ when we can approach Jesus Christ directly.
    • Yes we can have others pray for us (genuine Christians that is).
    • We pray in faith, but faith means that we are to trust God. We trust Him to do what is best and to know what is best. (Romans 8:28)
    • Suffering is part of life for both the unbeliever and the believer. For the believer it is often used by God in the development and maturing of our faith.  (Philippians 3:10)
    • Paul the apostle prayed to have his “thorn in the flesh” removed, but God said, “No” because He wanted Paul to understand that for in Paul’s weakness, God’s strength is made perfect. (2 Corinthians 12:7-10).
    • Don’t conclude that because you have not been healed that you have an absence or lack of faith or some secret sin that prevents your healing. You just might have God’s glory resting on you for a special purpose.

A local tour operator told me that in thirty one years of coming down to the Dead Sea every single year he had never ever seen rain and he had never experienced a wind of that measure. My dear friend I have no doubt whatsoever that the Holy Spirit visited us.

[DTW note:  Angus has no doubt that it was the Holy Spirit?  Really?  I decided to go through the NT on behalf of Angus Buchan and I can’t find any instance of the Holy Spirit behaving in such manner.  The Holy Spirit is a soft still voice as mentioned in Kings which is in the OT.

1Kgs 19:12  “And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.”  

Now I know there are going to be many who are going to tell me that God is doing things outside of His box.  What they are implying is that God lied when He said His Word was His FINAL AUTHORITY on all matters.  I prefer to stick to God’s box (the Bible), thanks.].

I want to tell you that never again will I apologize for the presence of the Holy Spirit. He will be pre-eminent in all my meetings, in all my conversations and in everything I do. I firmly believe that we need to be filled with the Holy Spirit and I firmly believe that the evidence is speaking in a beautiful language.  If it is possible for a man to be born again, again then that’s what happened to me. I am so filled with the joy of the Lord; I am so at peace, I have so much confidence. I want to encourage you to allow Him to fill you with His Spirit; He is standing at the door, Revelation 3:20 and He is knocking. I have no cause to tell you a lie. I want to tell you that He is alive and that He is well. Give the Holy Spirit place in your life and He will bless you.

God bless
Angus Buchan

source:  http://www.facebook.com/pages/Angus-Buchan/257406448855

[DTW note:  Angus seems to think that receiving the Holy Spirit is a separate act over and above being saved.  This is not true.  These three passages make it clear that the Holy Spirit is received at the moment of salvation.   Paul said to the Corinthian believers that they all were baptized by one Spirit and all given one Spirit to drink because all possessed the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:9 states it even clearer; if a person does not have the Spirit, he does not belong to Christ.

Therefore, the possession of the Spirit is an identifying factor of the attaining of salvation. Further, the Holy Spirit  is the “seal of salvation” (Ephesians 1:13-14) which the person receives at the moment of salvation. Many scriptures make it abundantly clear that our salvation is secured the moment we receive Jesus Christ as our Savior.

There are many a ministry that have this simple process of how the Holy Spirit operates confused. The truth is that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit occurs at the moment of salvation (the moment you are genuinely saved, you are “baptized by the Holy Spirit”).  The filling of the Spirit is an ongoing process in the Christian life. Unbiblical ministries confuse the “baptism of the Holy Spirit”  as an act separate to salvation, and this is where Satan jumps in and fools people, presenting them with a false holy spirit.

Angus said, “If it is possible for a man to be born again, again then that’s what happened to me”  The Holy Spirit does not come and go, come and go from a believer. He either abides in you, or He does not.   

Rom 8:9   “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”  

In fact the bible says it’s impossible for your to be born again twice.  

Hebrews 6:4-8 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

In conclusion, how do we receive the Holy Spirit? We receive the Holy Spirit by simply receiving the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior (John 3:5-16). When do we receive the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit becomes our permanent possession the moment we genuinely believe.

Angus said, “I firmly believe that the evidence is speaking in a beautiful language”.   The evidence of being saved is NOT speaking in tongues (gibberish) as Angus so states, I have given a list of evidences above.

See video 0f Kenneth Copeland and Rodney Howard-Browne Joking in “Tongues”

Please read the correct biblical interpretation of Joel 2 and Acts 2 below –  

….Latter Rain adherents have a movement that believes in a last day’s revival unlike any other in history. This revival is for the church.  They incorrectly apply eschatological passages specifically for Israel to the church. The common mistake is taking the scripture in (Acts 2:17) which says: ‘God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh,’ to substantiate what is happening in the new revivals today. This is not the meaning of this verse and cannot be applied today for the above mentioned reasons….Your Sons and Your Daughters Will Prophesy, But Not Yet…]

Edited 13/11/2012 – Video found.

I found the following video of Angus at the Dead Sea, at Ein Gedi.  It appears that Angus asks God for a repeat of what happened at Pentecost!  That is not what he said in his newsletter above.  Imagine that.  Now we know that in the bible people kept asking Jesus for a sign, for a miracle that He was the Son of God (INSTEAD OF BELIEVING BY FAITH) and Jesus said to them… (Matthew 12.39-40) “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth”.

The only sign that Angus will never be satisfied with is that fact that Jesus was crucified, buried for 3 days and rose again.  Faith is not enough for Angus, he must have a sign.  And Jesus will not give it to him.  Who does give signs and wonders?  Satan.  Matthew 24:24  “For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.”

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Herman
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Herman

Hi Deborah
Amazing, what you people do and I really like the way you stand your ground by telling the truth.
The church has lied to us and therefore I left them behind.
Most of the time they and the TV gospel shows are in it for the money. People think you are crazy when you tell them that.
Thank you for your effort and time you put into seeking the truth.
God Bless
Herman du Plessis

Sharon Griffith
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Sharon Griffith

Pentecost was NOT the beginning of the Lords Church. In the book of Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

We know that the word “church” means, a called out assembly. When our Lord Jesus called the Disciples and gave them the power to do things listed in the verse above the Church started then. The true Church of our Lord Jesus was EMPOWERED on the day of Pentecost by the entrance of the precious Holy Spirit. Prior to Pentecost there had already been Baptisms and the Lord’s Supper was first done at what we call the “Last Supper.” We also know that the true church has only two Ordinances, Baptism and the Lord’s Supper (some call it “Communion”) Since those two things happened before Pentecost and the Authority to perform those two Ordinances is given to the Church, then the Church began before Pentecost.

Andreas Meyer
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Didn’t they use wind making machines for that show?

Angus Buchan: A Rushing Mighty Wind

SHARON WHITE
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SHARON WHITE

YAWN,YAWN. You so boring that I honestly wouldn’t bother reading the junk that you write. its not worth the paper its written on.

Tom (Discerning the World)
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SHARON WHITE wrote,

How on earth can you evaluate what we write when you don’t read the junk we write? Do you ever read your Bible or is that also just a lot of junk to you?

Steven Rohe
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Steven Rohe

To the DTW!

What have you done to serve Jesus? Have you lead millions of people to Christ? Because Angus has….
What is your name so I can see if people have heard about you? Seems as thou Angus is empowered by the HS to preach the gospel and save souls!!!

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Stevn Rohe

Who counted the millions who were supposedly saved by Angus Buchan? You? Are you still counting? False teachers just loooooove to boast about one anothers great feats of so-called faith.

Here’s an example

Are you also a fan of Rodney Howard-Browne? I suppose he too has lead millions if not trillions to Jesus Chrrist.

Are you serving Jesus? You should make very sure that you are serving the Jesus of the Bible and not another Jesus who teaches you to boast about people like Angus Buchan and Rodney Howard-Browne who supposedly have lead millions of souls to Jesus Christ. There is, of course, a thing like a false conversion. Did you know that?

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? (2 Co 13:5)

Joe Lima
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Joe Lima

Steven, please do us all a favour and tell us where Angus has given a clear gospel message to the crowds who have gathered to listen to him. The social message of ‘being better people’ which he puts out is not the gospel. Social regeneration is not the gospel.

Vanessa
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Vanessa

Steven,

Years ago (20/25 years) maybe more Rheinhard Bonnke began telling people that he lead thousands and thousands to the lord. These Charasmatic people love the numbers game. Do the maths. If this is the case then the whole of Africa must be saved by now. Then lets add a few more African pastors who brag. Ray Mccauley, Rodney-Howard Brown, At Boshoff, The Roebert family in East London, Angus. The all say millions have to the Lord by their services and teachings. Clearly this is not the case. I really have righteous anger when I hear how so called pastors brag. I shall copy and paste you a bible study on 2 Cor verse 10. I dont usually read anything but the KJV but I think you may enjoy the New Standard.

Paul’s Defense of His Ministry
10 By the humility and gentleness of Christ, I appeal to you—I, Paul, who am “timid” when face to face with you, but “bold” toward you when away! 2 I beg you that when I come I may not have to be as bold as I expect to be toward some people who think that we live by the standards of this world. 3 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. 4 The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 6 And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete.

7 You are judging by appearances.[a] If anyone is confident that they belong to Christ, they should consider again that we belong to Christ just as much as they do. 8 So even if I boast somewhat freely about the authority the Lord gave us for building you up rather than tearing you down, I will not be ashamed of it. 9 I do not want to seem to be trying to frighten you with my letters. 10 For some say, “His letters are weighty and forceful, but in person he is unimpressive and his speaking amounts to nothing.” 11 Such people should realize that what we are in our letters when we are absent, we will be in our actions when we are present.

12 We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise. 13 We, however, will not boast beyond proper limits, but will confine our boasting to the sphere of service God himself has assigned to us, a sphere that also includes you. 14 We are not going too far in our boasting, as would be the case if we had not come to you, for we did get as far as you with the gospel of Christ. 15 NEITHER DO WE GO BEYOUND OUR LIMITS BY BOASTING OF WORK DONE BY OTHERS. Our hope is that, as your faith continues to grow, our sphere of activity among you will greatly expand, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. For we do not want to boast about work already done in someone else’s territory. 17 But, “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”[b] 18 For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.

Please search the word and ask God to reveal the absolute truth. Its painful to discover that the church as been lying to us but we should have questioned way back but we chose to sit comfy in our chairs believing and never questiong. Very similair to those in the Cathlic church. If you are truelly saved I know God will show you.
Take care.

Dawn
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Dawn

Hi Guys
Only came across this web site tonight. Thanks for the enlightening encouragement. Had just attended a meeting this afternoon where the majority were taken in by a totally false message. Some of it was true (that’s how deception works), but the doctrine was so skewed it was frightening. Take heart that the Bride of Christ is but a remnant !! God always works with the few. Only 8 were saved in the flood. Elijah thought he was the only one left, but God reminded him that 7000 men had not bowed their knee to Baal. I don’t know how many Israelites were living at that time, but a few million, I’m sure.
I felt the same as you when stating that there was much error – we get shouted down very quickly. Fortunately, a few of us have had excellent teaching, and I thank the Lord for giving us discernment.
Critics must realise that we do not criticise the man, but what he teaches!!
Stay strong and tell it like it is. Shalom.

Joshua Rehse
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Joshua Rehse

Every one of you who choose to believe that Uncle Angus’ message and the Spirit’s manifestation that night was a deception, are in fact the ones that are deceived.
What you’re actually doing is limiting God by discussing amongst yourselves what He should and should not do or how He should or should not reveal Himself to His people.
A lot of you have the taken the approach of Spiritual Pacifism towards God and His Holy Spirit. There is nothing passive about MY God!
Nobody was hurt at Ein Gedi that night. Nobody was injured. How can you therefore claim this was the enemy’s display?
How dare you choose such an incredible event and manifestation of the Spirit as a means to make yourself look holy and to arrogantly display your seemingly intelligent and intellectual outlook on what happened that night.
Disgusting!

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Joshua Rehse,

Angus Buchan is a Charismatic/Word of Faith adherent who regards false teachers like Rodney Howard-Brown of the holy laughter movement as men of God who is doing the will of God and filling people with fire. Anyone who approves a false teacher’s teaching is as evil as the false teacher himself.

2 John 1:9-11
(9)  Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
(10)  If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
(11)  For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

http://www.revival.com/pastor-rodney-with-angus-buchan.2658.1.htm

The Prophetic Movement of the NAR are seeking to conjure up a Second Pentecost (like the Roman Catholic Church) which is totally unbiblical and Angus Buchan is looking to be the first guy who wants to accomplish this. False teachings? You bet. Highmindedness? You bet! Angus Buchan is leading you back to Rome and the infamous false prophet who calls himself the Vicar of Christ.

Jesus warned:

Take heed that no one deceive you (Matthew 24:4).

Who are you going to obey – Jesus or Angus Buchan who is misleading people with his Dominionist agenda? I sincerely hope you choose toe follow the Jesus of the Bible.

tanja
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Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

Estelle

>> do you still have that “blou rokkies” article I sent you long ago… I think the latter rain beliefs and those of the blou rokkies fits in to almost everything that Angus and the others believe.

Ja, I must look for that… somewhere in my billion email inbox haha wink

[EDITED by DTW: Ahhh taa for the email!!]

Hi can you please send me the e-mail about the blou Rokkies to. Please I will like to read it.

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Andreas Meyer wrote:

Didn’t they use wind making machines for that show?

Angus Buchan: A Rushing Mighty Wind

Please, please don’t get confused, there a misconception or should I say a downright overlooking of what the scripture says in Acts 2:2, there was NO physical wind, the scripture says”and suddenly there came from heaven a NOISE (emphasis mine),like a violent, rushing wind and it filled the whole house where they were sitting” !!! You see how the signs and wonders sheeple jump on the band wagon, the Lord Jesus said an evil and adulterous nation seek after signs and wonders ……… The followers of these false prophets, fall into this category.

tanja
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Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

Estelle

>> do you still have that “blou rokkies” article I sent you long ago… I think the latter rain beliefs and those of the blou rokkies fits in to almost everything that Angus and the others believe.

Ja, I must look for that… somewhere in my billion email inbox haha wink

[EDITED by DTW: Ahhh taa for the email!!]

Hi can you please send me the e-mail about the blou Rokkies to. Please I will like to read it. Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

Hi Tanja

Oh my goodness…I will look for that email, see if I still have it then send it to you.

[Edited: Plan A: I found it, however the website doesn’t exist anymore… moving onto to plan B :laugh:]

Haha yes please do or maybe tell me what plan B is

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

Chris

>> The ICEJ has proven to be an organization whereby no pro-active evangelisation to the Jews are permitted. Instead they are instructed to wait until a Jew asks them questions regarding the Messiah.

Unbelievable. No wonder the stage crew who were Jews did not run for an ‘alter call’, instead just told everyone to get back to their seats. The Jews present where not one bit in the least concerned with the whole situation.

So this ICEJ is nothing but an ecumenical money making machine disguised under the label to ‘spread the gospel to the Jews’.

New World Order church it is…

I sincerely doubt whether Angus Buchan is truly saved.

Jesus said:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. (Joh 10:1-5).

When Angus first began to preach some years ago, I warned some of my brethren to watch out for him because he preaches another Jesus, another spirit and another gospel. (2 Corinthians 11:4). Guess what happened then? They all turned on me and eventually abandoned me.