Biblical Holy Spirit vs. Unholy Spirit of Fire

unholy kundalini demon of fireHoly Spirit vs. Filthy Spirit of Fire, the calling down of Fire from heaven over a congregation, or praying Fire over someone is the norm in the church today. It has come to  resemble the early heretic Gnostic churches. Religious ecstasy (or Kundalini) was to be found in the mystery religions of the first century A.D. Back when the Corinth church seemed to be a hub of pagan Gnostic knowledge and ran rampant in unscriptural and immoral practices; the Greek mystery religions had prophets who babbled in unknown tongues which were caused by a Kundalini awakening.

Below is a table explaining the differences between The Biblical Holy Spirit compared to The Kundalini unholy spirit that masquerades as the Biblical Holy Spirit.  This table is exhaustive and contains everything you need to know:

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Holy Spirit

Kundalini Unholy Spirit of Fire

Who is the Holy Spirit?

Who is the Kundalini unholy spirit?

  • The Holy Spirit is not a force or a power, He is God, the third Person of the Godhead.  (1 Corinthians 3:16, John 14:26)
  • The Holy Spirit is a divine person, a being with a mind, emotions, and a will. (1 Corinthians 2:10; Ephesians 4:30; 1 Corinthians 12:7-11)
  • The Holy Spirit is also omnipresence. (Psalm 139:7-8)
  • The Holy Spirit is omniscience. (1 Corinthians 2:10-11)
  • The Holy Spirit intercedes for us when we can’t pray. (Romans 8:26-27)
  • The Holy Spirit is our Helper, our Comforter and our Counsellor (John 14:16,26; 15:26)
  • The Holy Spirit will guide us and lead us into all Truth according to Biblical scripture. (John 16:12)
    • There is no extra-biblical revelation from the Holy Spirit.
  • A crucial part of the truth the Holy Spirit reveals is that Jesus is who He said He is. (John 15:26; 1 Corinthians 12:3)
    • The Holy Spirit convinces us of Jesus Christ’s deity and incarnation, that He is the Messiah.
    • He gives glory to Christ in all things.  (John 16:14)
  • The Holy Spirit’s role is that of gift-giver. (Corinthians 12)
  • The Holy Spirit is also the fruit producer in our lives. (Galatians 5:22-23)
  • An Esoteric description: Kundalini is a serpent goddess who lies asleep at the base of the human spine, coiled around the 1st Chakra, 3½ times.
  • The demons name is Kundalini Shakti, and ‘she’ represents the unfolding of the divine Shakti energy or Serpent Fire.
  • Kundalini is supposedly the energizing potential of life itself, a living goddess who enlivens all things.
    • It is Kundalini who creates the universe and knows Its Self as Creator.
    • Kundalini has been called “the face of God.”
  • After being awakened, Kundalini will be able to remove the knots of the major chakras, cleanse, open and develop the chakras until they are in fully blooming lotus forms – this to attain Yoga*
    • *Yoga (Enlightenment) refers to the different spiritual paths that aim for Yoga (union with Divine) – Religious ecstasy.

How do we receive the Holy Spirit

How do we get this unholy spirit?

  • We receive the Holy Spirit the moment we receive Jesus Christ as our Saviour. (1 Corinthians 12:13)
  • We receive the Holy Spirit by simply receiving the Lord Jesus Christ as our Saviour (John 3:5-16)

 

** Through the false ‘Baptism of the unholy Spirit’.** The calling down of Fire (Serpent Fire).

** Being filled with the Unholy Ghost by Fire.

  • A Shaktipat is where one person’s kundalini is awakened by another who already has the experience.
  • Shaktipat only raises the kundalini temporarily but the demonic transference has taken place.
    • This is what is going on in the churches;  Kundalini is being transferred from one person to another – by blowing on someone, through baptismal water, laying on of hands, even holding ones hand over someone, but not touching them can begin a Shaktipat, etc.
    • Kundalini can also awaken spontaneously, for no obvious reason or triggered by intense personal experiences such as accidents, near death experiences, childbirth, emotional trauma, extreme mental stress, and so on -this is solely dependent on that ‘doctrines of demons’ one has been dabbling in.

Are there any happenings that go with the filling of the Holy Spirit?

Are there any feelings or happenings that go with this filling of the unholy spirit?

  • No, the evidence of a genuine salvation is you are now not controlled by your sinful nature but by the Holy Spirit. (Romans 8:9)
  • Chastisement by the Holy Spirit when we sin to repent of our sin and not sin again. (Hebrews 12:6-7; Hebrews 12:8)
  • Evidence of being born again is:
    • Obeying scripture, God’s commandments.  (1 John 2:5)
    • Respecting God’s pronouncements as authoritative in your life. Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour. (1 John 1:8)
    • No more love for the world. (1 John 2:15)
    • Living in daily awareness that Jesus Christ will return for His own! (1 John 3:2-3)
    • You are sinning less now than when you first made a profession of faith in Christ. You hate sinning.  (1 John 3:9)
    • Love for other believers in Jesus Christ. (1 John 3:14)
    • Praying and having prayers answered. (1 John 3:22)
    • Sharp Discernment as you find it easy to sort out the claims of various religions, etc. (1 John 4:1)
    • You have a conscious awareness that the Holy Spirit of God lives in you. He teaches you things from the Scriptures on a regular basis. (1 John 4:13)
  • You speak in tongues (gibberish).
  • Involuntary jerks, tremors, shaking, convulsing, crawling sensations.
  • Energy rushes like streams of fire or feelings of electricity circulating the body.
  • Moderate heat or Intense heat (sweating) or cold as ice, especially as energy is experienced passing through the chakras.
  • Visions seen or sounds heard, ESP – clairvoyance.
  • Trance-like and altered states of consciousness
  • Uncontrollable laughter or uncontrollable weeping.
  • Bliss, feelings of infinite love and universal connectivity, transcendent awareness.
  • Posture becomes fixed, you become paralyzed.
  • Utter sounds like those of animals, birds, frogs or of a lion or like those of jackals, dogs and tigers…
  • Intoxicated, your steps fall like one is drunk, speech is slurred as if drunk and and you are unable to do any other work.
  • You see Divine visions – angels of light, another ‘Jesus’
  • Future unfolds its secrets to you, you learn secrets supposedly from God.
  • The unholy spirit gives you unbiblical ‘hidden’ meaning of scriptures.

What does ‘Walking in the Spirit’ mean?.  What does being “Filled by the Holy Spirit’ mean?

What happens when we have opened our Third Eye? (6th Chakra)

  • The Filling of the Holy Spirit is an ongoing process in the Christian life as we grow in Holiness.  Also known as to “walk in the Spirit; It is to follow the Holy Spirit’s leading.
  • It is essential to “walk with” the Holy Spirit, allowing Him to guide your steps and conform your mind. (Ephesians 4:1; Philippians 1:27)
  • The arousing of kundalini is said by some to be the one and only way of attaining Divine Wisdom. (Genesis 3:4-5)
    • Self-Realization is said to be equal to Divine Wisdom or Gnosis or what amounts to the same thing: self-knowledge-(knowing that ‘I am a god’).
  • New knowledge is brought into the church, as self proclaimed apostles and prophets pronounce, EXTRA unbiblical revelations and unbiblical prophetic utterances.

Evidence or Signs:

False Signs and Wonders:

  • Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2)
  • If we need healing or deliverance we are to ask HIM DIRECTLY through prayer and He will heal us.
    • We do not need to go to men with so called ‘gifts of healing’ when we can approach Jesus Christ directly.
    • Yes we can have others pray for us (genuine Christians that is).
    • We pray in faith, but faith means that we are to trust God. We trust Him to do what is best and to know what is best. (Romans 8:28)
    • Suffering is part of life for both the unbeliever and the believer. For the believer it is often used by God in the development and maturing of our faith.  (Philippians 3:10)
    • Paul the apostle prayed to have his “thorn in the flesh” removed, but God said, “No” because He wanted Paul to understand that for in Paul’s weakness, God’s strength is made perfect. (2 Corinthians 12:7-10).
    • Do not conclude that because you have not been healed that you have an absence of faith, lack faith or have some secret sin that prevents your healing.
  • The Kundalini unholy spirit is a show and tell of signs and wonders as seen above.
  • Kundalini is a powerful healing force and will in a ‘counterfeit’ way heal you from any ailments/diseases or deliver you from drugs/alcoholism, etc.
    • You will usually feel heat, electricity, or ice when the satanic healing takes place.
  • Can Satan heal?  Of course he can! See this article for full explanation:

This Kundalini spirit is found in all religions across the world just under different names:

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  • The ancient Egyptians called kundalini power Ra, who is symbolized as the Sun because the Sun is the source of kundalini energy.
  • In Islam kundalini power is known as Salaat. Called the Swaying Zikr and Whirling Dervish.
  • The early Gnostics, like Pythagorus referred to the concept as ‘Pneuma’
  • Hippocrates was aware of it as well; he referred to it as ‘vis medicatrix naturae’.
  • Religious studies also note parallels in Quakerism and Shakerism.
  • The Hebrews of ruach causing the Judaic Shuckling or (torso-rocking prayer)
  • The quiverings of the Eastern Orthodox Hesychast.
  • The Chinese movements of Tai Chi or ki.
  • The ecstatic Shamanistic dance,
  • The Bushmen dance the Ntum trance dance.
  • The Tibetan Buddhist tummo heat as practised by Milarepa,
  • Japan‘s Aum Shinrikyo group
  • The Mexican Huichols call it kupuri,
  • The Dakota Indians speak of wakan;
  • The African Sotho of moya;
  • The Bantu of nzmbi;
  • The Australians of joja;
  • Indonesian know of petara;
  • The Eskimos of quaumaneq.

False ‘unholy spirit fire in action masquerading as Holy Spirit:

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Montanism

Montanism - unholy spirit

Montanism was an early Gnostic so called Christian movement of the late 2nd century, later referred to by the name of its founder, Montanus, but originally known by its adherents as the New Prophecy (or ‘The Phyrgian Heresy’) . The heretical movement spread rapidly to other regions in the Roman Empire at a time before Christianity was generally tolerated or legal. It persisted in some isolated places into the 6th century.

It was a prophetic movement that called for a reliance on the spontaneity of the Holy Spirit and spoke extra biblical revelation.  Parallels have been made between Montanism and modern day movements such as the charismatic movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). [1]

As the name “New Prophecy” implied, Montanism was a movement focused around prophecy, specifically those of the movement’s founders which were believed to contain the Holy Spirit’s revelation for the present age.[2] New Prophecy departed from Church tradition as described by Eusebius of Caesarea [3]: “And he [Montanus] became beside himself, and being suddenly in a sort of frenzy and ecstasy, he raved, and began to babble and utter strange things, prophesying in a manner contrary to the constant custom of the Church handed down by tradition from the beginning.”[4]

The Montanist prophets did not speak as messengers of God but were described as possessed by God while being unable to resist. Montanists believed that the new prophecies superseded and fulfilled the doctrines proclaimed by the Apostles.[5]  Thus, they were seen as false prophets because they acted irrationally and were not in control of their senses.[6]

The Roman Catholic unholy spirit of FIRE

The church has gone so far with this unholy fire that it has literally ENGULFED the entire church. You need to be permanently on FIRE for God according to the powers that be (TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network), God TV, Rodney Howard-Browne, Kenneth Copeland, Angus Buchan, Rick Joyner, Ray McCauley, Cindy Jacobs, Deon Hockey, Kim Clement, Marc Bredenkamp, Leon du Preez, Harold Weitsz, et al.) as they spell out their incantation and throw FIRE, FIRE, and more FIRE in the congregations direction.  Those in the congregation who have experienced this religious ecstasy want more, and those who have not experienced it, want to experience it because they believe this is the Holy Spirit as work.

Unholy Spirit of FireUnholy Spirit of FireThe ‘Heart of God is now on FIRE and everyone is pushed in this direction by the church to get to know ‘God’s heart‘.  What they don’t tell you is that this ‘Heart of God’ is the Roman Catholic Sacred Heart of Jesus, and it is also the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

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The church as it currently stands is being shoved towards pagan ROME at a rapid speed. But in order for Pentecostals and Charismatics to accept Roman Catholicism they would first have to accept the ‘spirit‘ by which it operates. Rome’s EVANGELIZATION of non-Catholics started decades ago, and their hard labour has paid off.  Just as the ancient Egyptians viewed Kundalini as being Ra‘ who is symbolized as the sun because the sun is the source of kundalini energy. So does the Roman Catholic Church who, worships the Sun god Mithra (incarnation of Ra).

Let’s have a look and see that the bible says about “fire called down from heaven” in the New Testament.

Revelation 13:13 “he [antichrist] doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,”

G4442 πῦρ pur (pïr’) n.
fire.
{literally or figuratively}

This fire is spiritual and literal. In the last days, the antichrist, the false Church, and it’s followers call down spiritual FIRE from heaven onto earth – this fire is satanic, it’s captures your soul with fake love and false manifestations that capture your mind. The antichrist will also bring down real fire from heaven in the sight of me to deceive them.

Was fire ever called down from heaven when Jesus walked the earth?  Nope, how do we know? Well let’s go to God’s Word…look at this:

During Jesus’ earthly ministry, the disciples James and John wanted to call down fire from heaven in judgment of a Samaritan village that did not welcome the Lord Jesus Christ.  What did Jesus Christ say to his disciples?

Luke 9:55- “But He turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

As we can clearly see from the bible, this spirit is from Satan, and is NOT the Holy Spirit.  Jesus had not come “to condemn the world, but to save the world” (John 3:17)

This ‘fire that is called down from heaven’ is from Satan, another spirit, an unholy spirit – that condemns you.

[Edited 5 Oct 2018:  I’ve added this to explain the above in more detail because of this comment: 2018/10/05 at 3:17 pm:

Please note I am not saying that God did not ever use fire to destroy wickedness.

In the verses Luke 9:54-56 Jesus rebukes his disciples for trying to call down fire from heaven, why?  Jesus would never rebuke Elijah for what he did in calling down fire to destroy wickedness, if He did He would be rebuking the Father Himself as God rained fire and brimstone down on Sodom and Gomorrah and surrounding towns. One needs to compare OT to NT. Different dispensations.

What do the words “You know not what manner of spirit you are of.” mean?  James and John in all their faithful zeal to Jesus Christ thought they were doing a good thing by wanting to destroy the wicked town that rejected Jesus by doing as Elijah did when he called down fire under OT Law. However the Apostles in training as I call them (Peter, James, John) had just recently seen Moses and Elias speaking with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. So James and John, thinking they could copy Elijah, where wrong in their thinking, and were in fact sinning when they wanted to call down fire, because they did not understand and they were under grace and Jesus didn’t operate like that. That is why Jesus rebuked them.

Anyone who wants to call down fire (be it physical fire or spiritual fire to destroy the soul) in this age of grace has a spirit of vengeance and it’s not from God.

This fire is a counterfeit. It’s a fire that leads to the UNITY of all religions, the joining of Protestant and Catholic, a co-reformation – into the false Christian church we have today. ]

2018: Year of the Holy Ghost and Fire by Kenneth Copeland

Please read the full comment where I give a transcript from Kenneth Copeland on what ‘burning the chaff’ means in his dictionary.

Charles Spurgeon

And if you think calling down fire is limited to only Charismatics?  Think again.  The so called ‘Prince of Preachers’ of Calvinism, Charles Spurgeon himself called down demonic Kunalini fire.

Holy Fire / Divine Fire / Heart of Flame

Holy Fire

Charles Spurgeon: “The church needs fire to quicken her ministers, to give zeal and energy to all her members. Having this fire, she burns her way to success! The world meets her with the fire of firewood, but she confronts the world with the fire of kindling spirits, and of souls aglow with the love of Jesus Christ. She trusts not to the wit, and eloquence, and wisdom of her preachers, but to the divine fire which clothes them with energy! She knows that men are irresistible when they are filled with hallowed enthusiasm sent from God. She trusts therefore in this, and her cry is, “Come, Holy Fire, abide upon our pastors and teachers! Rest upon every one of us!” —The Superlative Excellence of the Holy Spirit #574 https://www.spurgeongems.org/vols10-12/chs574.pdf

Divine Fire

Charles Spurgeon: “Brothers, I beseech you keep to the old gospel, and let your souls be filled with it, and then may you be set on fire with it! When the wick is saturated, let the flame be applied. Fire from Heaven is still the necessity of the age. They call it “go”, and there is nothing which goes like it; for when fire once starts upon a vast prairie or forest, all that is dry and withered must disappear before its terrible advance. May God Himself, who is a consuming fire, ever burn in you as in the bush at Horeb! All other things being equal, that man will do most who has most of the Divine fire.” — How to Meet the Evils of the Age Chapter 4 https://archive.spurgeon.org/misc/aarm04.php

Occult teaching on Holy fire and Divine fire

Theosophy: “In a certain sense, the task before the disciple is the evocation of the “divine fire, Kundalini, and the infusion of the principle of Will in him by that divine fire; the golden light mingling with the red flame, to produce the colour of the mystic rose. The fiery aspiration of the disciple evokes the higher celestial fire, and the two blend in one, the holy fire which shall thereafter illumine and enkindle that disciple’s heart and life and every act.” –— The Theosophical Quarterly Volumes 17-18  1919 edited by Clement Acton Griscom pg. 226,  https://books.google.com/books?id=g3g1AQAAMAAJ

Heart of Flame (see Roman Catholic Heart of Fire above)

Spurgeon: “But we bless God that there are not so many of that sort, now, and we pray that the race may become quite extinct—and that every pulpit may be filled with a man who has a tongue of fire and a heart of flame and who shuns not to declare the whole counsel of God, neither seeking the smiles of men nor dreading their frowns!” — The Dumb Singing #2625 http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols43-45/chs2625.pdf

Occult teaching on Heart of Flame

Universal Brotherhood (Theosophical teachings):”Then One spoke – He of the mighty arm – He of the eye of power. And He inquired (speaking calm and low, and looking round on all the gathered throng) who would willing go into the world of flesh – to waken all the souls that now could hear, and teach to them the meaning high, sublime, of life; show them the Movement – flowing onward like a river vast, with but one source and end; teach them how to enter on that tide, and moving with Love – and for this Fire Divine in thee thou hast been called ‘The Heart of Flame.— UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD, Volume 15, nos. 7-12, pg. 439-440  https://www.scribd.com/document/37146710/Universal-Brotherhood-v15-n7-12 

Salvation or Deliverance

If you need salvation and or deliverance from this false unholy spirit or any other demonic spirit, please read this article:  Seeking Salvation or Deliverance.

Here is an excellent article that explains the history, characteristics and fruit of the Vatican Second Council New Evangelization initiative:  The New Evangelical – Evil fit for a New Dark Age.  See this article on the Roman Catholic goddess Mary (incarnation of Isis, etc) :  Mary Queen of Heaven – Whore of Babylon

A collage of images taken from the internet showing an explosion of demonic FIRE. Everything now involves this unholy FIRE;  from books, music, banners, posters, tattoos, t-shirts and background pictures for your pc.

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Notes:
[1] Robeck, Cecil M., Jr. (2010). “Montanism and Present Day ‘Prophets'”. Pneuma: the Journal of the Society for Pentecostal Studies 32: 413.

[2] Tabbernee, Prophets and Gravestones, p. 68.
[3] Tabbernee, Prophets and Gravestones, pp. 12, 37.
[4] Eusebius of Caesarea, Ecclesiastical History Book 5. Chapter 16. paragraph 7.
[5] a b c Chapman, John (1911). “Montanists”. The Catholic Encyclopedia. 10. Robert Appleton Company. Retrieved 27 June 2011.
[6] Epiphanius, Against Heresies, 48.3-4.

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I PRAY SO INTENSELY TO YESHUA HA MESHIACH FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING CONCERNING YOUR BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURES. FAIRLY MY SISTER IN YESHUA WHAT YOU SHARE IS NOT ALL SKEWED YOU DO HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING! THE CHILDREN OF JEHOVAH ARE BEING MISLEAD BY SOME OF YOUR EXPLANATIONS CONCERNING SCRIPTURES AND IT IS TOO LENGHTY TO GO INTO DETAIL HERE…… YOU DELETE (DAUGHTERS & SONS COMMENTS THAT OPPOSE YOUR BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE. WHAT ALL OF THIS COMMUNICATION WILL COME DOWN TO IS WHEN WE ALL STAND BEFORE THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT SEAT AND GIVE ACCOUNT FOR WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ENTRUSTED WITH AND THAT ISOUR LIFE AND HOW WE RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH (PARAPHRASING A LOT)WHICH EQUALS THE SPREADING OF THE GOSPEL OF YESHUA HA MESHIACH OUR LORD AND SAVIOR. IT IS OUR DUTY TO SPEAK AND TAIR DOWN SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES….YOU ARE DOING THE WORK OF A DISCIPLE OF YESHUA AND I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT!!!!!! HOWEVER, WHEN YOU DEMEAN AND CONTRADICT ANY OTHER INTERPRETATION OF BIBILICAL ESCATOLOGY AND UNDERSTANDING from a (brother or sister)YOU SAY THEY ARE WRONG AND YOU ARE ALL RIGHT. THIS IS ATTITUDE/PRIDEFULLNESS….AND NOT CONVICTION!! LOVE OF GOD ONLY JEHOVAH AND YESHUA KNOW FOR SURE IF ANY OF US HAVE ALL THE RIGHT INTERPRETATION AND WHO IS (AS YOU SAY) THE TRUE BELIEVER OR NOT…..BECAUSE HE ALONE KNOWS THE HEART OF A MAN (PARAPHRASING A LOT) WE ALL CAN ASK FOR, SEEK AFTER THE DEEP AND HIDDEN THINGS OF JEHOVAH AND SHARE THEM IN CONVICTION, LOWLINESS AND POWER….GIVING ALL THE GLORY AND HONOR TO YESHUA HA MESHIACH ALONE….PLEASE HUMBLE YOURSELF AND SERVE WHAT JEHOVAH HAS GIVEN YOU AND WHEN OTHER SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF JEHOVAH SHARE WHAT THEY KNOW…..UNDERSTAND THAT THEY MAY NOT BE WRONG…..YOU NOR I KNOW ALL THAT JEHOVAH KNOWS!!!!!! HE IS THE ONLY WISE GOD….TREAD CAREFULLY AS AN AMBASSADOR/MESSENGER TO ANOTHER AMBASSADOR….YET CONTINUE TO SILENCE THE IGNORANCE OF WICKED MEN AND SHAKE AWAKE THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS THAT ARE SLEEPING….. THAT THEY MAY BE ALERTED INTO A CALL TO ACTION….AS WE SEE THE DAY OF YESHUA’S RETURN APPROACHING AGGRESSIVELY! STAY LOVING AND BLESSED WOMAN OF EXCELLENCE!

Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

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>> indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with Fire: Matthew 3:11 —- Question mainly, if fire is all from satan, what the fire that John is speaking of?
You quote half a verse and misunderstand the Bible completely.
Matthew 3:11-12
11 “I baptize you with water, for repentance, but the one coming after me is more powerful than I am – I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clean out his threshing floor and will gather his wheat into the storehouse, but the chaff he will burn up with inextinguishable fire.”
So what we have here is a verse to supposedly back up the anointing by fire that so many pastors and false Christians and now New Agers like to quote to catch the fire anointing.
But let me show you something; this fire is seen in a bad way in the above verse. John says that Jesus will baptize you with the Holy Spirit (for believers) and fire (for non believers) NOT the Holy Spirit AND fire or the Holy Spirit IS fire. John carries on saying that Jesus will gather His wheat into the barn BUT BURN UP THE CHAFF with unquenchable fire, that would be in HELL. Fire is judgement!, Jesus saves those who accept Him (the real Jesus that is) and judges those who DON’T.
You need to make sure which Jesus you are following! The only way is to SEARCH the Word of God for answers and believe me EVERY ANSWER you need is in there. If you seek you will find, if you want to know the truth you WILL find it.
>> For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Acts 1:5 —- Again, this is showing a clear baptism with the Holy Ghost… and the disciples were told not to leave until they had received this. Also, Jesus told them that this would empower them. and then you quote (Acts 8:14-19, Acts 9:17-20, Acts 19:1-6, Acts 11:16-17)
Please read the following articles:
Speaking in Tongues has CEASED to understand that all the miracles and powers given to the Apostles by Jesus Christ and passed on was a temporary solution until such time as the bible was written. Then these things ceased.
Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased?
Important!! Understanding biblical prophecy Joel 2 and Acts 2: Your Sons and Your Daughters Will Prophesy, But Not Yet
>> Seriously, the only reason for these topics to be deleted is out of inadequate preparation and wisdom to respond.
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Selena Stubb wrote,

WHEN YOU DEMEAN AND CONTRADICT ANY OTHER INTERPRETATION OF BIBILICAL ESCATOLOGY AND UNDERSTANDING from a (brother or sister)YOU SAY THEY ARE WRONG AND YOU ARE ALL RIGHT.

First of all, shouting on this site is not permitted. Please turn your caps lock OFF the next time you write a comment. You are definitely not honoring and serving Jesus Christ when you follow false doctrine, In fact the Bible says,

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (2 Jonn 1:9)

Secondly, God’s Word is right and you are wrong.

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i was told there was a baptism of the holy spirit but my church said its wrong well i read my bible every day and i know if its truth god will reveal it to me because he knows everything about me and he showed me about the deer thirsting after him and desiring him which i did prayed abouted thirsted for it and he showed me verse after verse on the holy spirit now i had been saved baptised in water and i believe its the truth jesus wants us to have what he had power to teach heal deviver gifts tongues and do do all these things in love and i have been a better person so i know god wanted me to recieve this baptism of the spirit so i asked some christian friends to pray with me and i recived it in such a gental loving way i felt god presence on me and all around me after that i was begining to praise god more with hands uplifted in praise he started opening up my eyes to understand his word and i was taking bile studies which i never could have done without the power of gods holy spirit christians noticed a diffrence in me and the love poured out of me for people and there was nothing evil about it god does not give us something from the devil and i hope that more and more christians will seek god on this pray and ask jesus seek his word im not saying take my word for it but i know god spoke to me amen

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im sorry but you dont know me and have no right to judge me im in no danger it is biblical you are blind open your eyes and read the word any one else believe what this person says who else belives its biblical

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So your telling me there is an evil spirit that pretends to be the holy spirit . Delivers. People from drugs and alcohol. Cures diseases.and then praises and gives all the glory to Jesus Christ. Please humble yourself before God.ask for discernment. Jesus told you satan wouldnt go against his own kingdom. I dont like how you made me question the spirit inside of me. Its Jesus. Spirit and he loves me and cured me of my diseases and addictions. That is not of the devil! You blaspheme my savior. Please repent and also please humble yourself . Its like when i read your comments i can just tell your angry and rude and ill pray that angry religious spirit leaves you. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ. Also Jesus. Said lay hands on the sick and cast out devils. So we can go directly to him or go to a man or woman of great faith in Christ Jesus and they LAY hands . All to the glory of God.

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Luke 11:13 – If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Thats what i asked for and recieved. I said nothing about electricity. His yoke is light. Blasts demons off me and gives me peace and joy. And yes sonetimes it makes me laugh. But thats good because if it didnt i wouldnt laugh. Because im serious about being holy. Hating evil and abstaining from it. And not fellowshipping with the world or laughing at what they laugh at. So i dont laugh much cept when the lord makes me smile or lAugh just have joy in my dark times.2 Corinthians 3:17 – Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty. Liberty is freedom. Thus Jesus. Spirit heals of of everything.
Romans 15:13 – Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost. That verse allows me to smile and laugh.
Isaiah 11:2 – And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; i fear and love Jesus Christ

Acts 10:38. How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. The holy spirit heals

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Dominic,

The mistake most Christians make is to believe that when they pray for the gift of the Holy Spirit that God gives them the Holy Spirit Himself. Believers of today should never ask or pray for the Holy Spirit to be given to them as a gift because the prayer of the disciples (for the Holy Spirit) was answered at Pentecost. As far as the gifts of the Holy Spirit is concerned, He (the Holy Spirit) gives his gifts as He wills and not as we want Him to give to us. The lesson in Luke 11:13 does not teach us that we can ask or pray for any gift and expect Him to give it to us because our own perception of those gifts is that they are good. For instance, we cannot ask God to give us the gift of prosperity (a lot of money) because we think it is a good gift. He knows better and may not give us the money we ask or pray for because in his estimate it is not a good gift because it may stifle our spiritual growth in Him. The Israelite prayed for food and, yes, God sent them the food but look what happened to them.

They soon forgat his works; they waited not for his counsel: But lusted exceedingly in the wilderness, and tempted God in the desert. And he gave them their request; but sent leanness into their soul. (Psalm 106:13-15)

The Amplified Bible says it thus,

13 But they hastily forgot His works; they did not [earnestly] wait for His plans [to develop] regarding them,

14 But lusted exceedingly in the wilderness and tempted and tried to restrain God [with their insistent desires] in the desert.

15 And He gave them their request, but sent leanness into their souls and [thinned their numbers by] disease and death.

We may even pray for the gift of healing but never receive it because God may have a more serene purpose for not giving it.

“Man is also rebuked with pain on his bed and with continual strife in his bones, so that his life loathes bread, and his appetite the choicest food. His flesh is so wasted away that it cannot be seen, and his bones that were not seen stick out. His soul draws near the pit, and his life to those who bring death. (Job 33:19-22)

God may allow his children to be very sick as a method to restrain them from sin and as a means to discipline them.

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LUKE 11:13 clearly says what it says. How. Can u misinterpret that. It says evil ppl know how to give gifts. So how much more will our father in heaven give us the holy spirit when we ask for it. It clearly says ask for it. I dont know how u changed the meaning so much but i dont like when ppl change what God. Said. It clearly says what it means literally. Theres nothing to interpret. U ask an evil person for something u get it. U ask God. For the holy spirit he gives u. Jesus said ask and you shall receive. You wont.change my mind because God said it and i wont be shook. Dont waste your time please. In the amount of time of this whole page instead of arguing amongst believers how many souls. do u think could have bee. Saved? Guess some ppl just rather. Think they are right about everything. I pray your heart is softened. Later

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No where in the bible does it say that pentecost was it for getting the holy spirit.i dont know what bible your reading. But sounds like theology to me. Like your making your own bible.your own word of God. I have heard this stuff before. Cant get tongues. Praying in tongues ceased along time ago. And all this man made stuff. Praying in tongues to the father uttering the things you dont have words for through the holy spirit to God is a weapon against the devil that he cant stop and is powerful praying. So he makes ppl like you think its evil so ppl dont use heavnly tongue prayer language. Ive never see where asking for the holy spirit ceased at pentecost or any of the spiritual gifts stopped. Its man made theology and its like pharisees stuff. No thx ill trust. God and his word. The devil doesnt scare me into not praying in tongues but ive had him try before. I know what God’s presence islike and its amazing and not evil. John g lake wasnt healing ppl with an evil spirit. Blasphemy. And why dont u look up joshua mills. He started laughing on the ground one day at a pentecost church. Now he plays the piano to worship Jesus and gold dust appears all over him. You can youtube they have taped him with the supernatural sign of Jesus. Remrmber revelations.i pray your hearts are softened .in YESHUA mighty name. Amen

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irene stockley

i read my bible today and there is only one holy spirit which i reciecved and it says theres load of things jesus did that can not be attained in the bible is there any one on here who has experienced this please talk to me and share what you experienced

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irene stockley

and i am born again

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Dominic,

Why would you ask God for the Holy Spirit to be given to you when you had already received Him at your rebirth, provided of course that you are truly saved? Do you mind telling us how you were saved? Did you fall backward and lie on your back for some time? Did you speak in tongues?

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Irene Stockley,

You say you are born again. Do you mind telling us how you were born again?

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irene stockley

hi yes ive been saved for 23 years now a vey lovely spirit filled lady come and spoke to me about salvation and showed me scriptures on been saved repent of all your sins and i read a prayer of salvation and i asked the lord into my life as my personal lord and saviour

irene stockley
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irene stockley

please explain to me then acts 19 and acts 2 god gave the deciples power to go out and heal deliver and joelchaper 2 v 28 t0 29

irene stockley
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irene stockley

what about andrew wommack he talks on the baptism of the holy spirit and he goes by the word of god and explains as he talks so is he a false teacher to with this un holy spirit

Dominic
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Dominic

Luke 21:25. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:Acts 2:19. Signs on the earth semicolon. I dont need signs i believe. But if there is a person covered in God’s. Glory with gold who are you to judge who God. Choose. Dont be jealous go check it out glory to God. The spirit i have is the holy spirit and it causes me to live holy. Jesus saved me by his grace. People are still healed today in the name of Jesus. Christ. Why are you so conservative and against God doing miracles. No man comes to God,thr holy spirit draws them. So this thing that you think is some other spirit is actually the holy spirit drAwing ppl to Jesus? Yes i can pray in tongues. Its a self edifying build up your faith special prayer language you can do alone. Dont tell me its not of God. It surely is. I spent months with him a few months ago didnt work just stayed home and seeked him daily. I was attacked by many demons during my born again process and didnt sleep much a month. The holy spirit was with me i felt his peace and love likeJesus hugging me yea i used to believe i instantly had the holy spirit when i confessed Jesus is lord. But when you seek him,it. You get so much an overflow. U think im going to cry out to him for three months and hes going to give me an evil spirit? Excuse me but you dont know my Jesus. He loves me and wouldnt do that. The rapture is about to happen anyday. I cant be arguing with bretheren when there is souls to be saved and ppl to witness to. I hope u take that advice too. Godbless. See you in heaven. Atleast try to save one soul today instead if arguing with me. I know what me and God have is real its an intimate relationship. Thats why i feel him so strongly. And its biblical to lay hands on ppl and heal them and cast demons out of ppl. It was a commandment from Jesus. He wasnt asking. He said go do it. Be blessed. Later

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irene stockley

[Deleted by DTW] Irene you are wasting my time. You are not even willing to ‘think’ further than your nose.

The bible says IT IS THE APOSTLES and DISCIPLES that were commissioned by Jesus Christ in person who will have power – this power you speak of, that you think you have – were you commissioned by Jesus Christ himself in person? NO you were not. But you want this power never the less, the power you want is satanic and not from God – because the bible CLEARLY SAYS these things have ceased. The word of God says in, Mark 16:18 “They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” Why do false teachers always leave out this verse eh? Because it suits them.

Are we saying miracles have ceased? no, because for healing you go directly to Jesus Christ in prayer to be healed, not some fake middle man who thinks he has the gift of healing, and you don’t need tongues because GOD CAN SPEAK English and every other language there is, and the gift of tongues in the bible was not a heavenly languge it was an earthly language and prophecy (foretelling the future has ceased because WE HAVE THE BIBLE that is COMPLETE REVELATION). And of course you can be delivered from demons, you go directly to Jesus Christ in prayer and repent of your sin and ask Him to remove the bondage from you.

But you, Irene, you want to have POWER. That is what this is all about, and God did NOT give you the power (you think you have) you are having delusions of grandeur, and your so called gift of tongues is either made up yourself or demonic. So you have two choices, you either repent of your power hungriness or get swallowed up by more and more false teaching.]

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[deleted by DTW – read comment below to Irene, it applies to you too]