Monster Energy Drink – Unleash the Beast 666

Monster Energy Drink

Monster Energy Drink – Unleash the Beast 666

Monster Energy has taken off like hot cakes, you see people wearing their branded clothing in the malls. Monster Energy  width=endorses racing teams;  if it’s fast and it’s fun, they will endorse it.  I always looked on in amazement as to what on earth their logo meant because it did not look good.

You will be shocked, just as I was to realised that the Monster logo is a ‘type‘ of a Mark of a Beast.  I compared the 3 lines that appear to make up the letter M (note the lines in the Monster logo are not joined together) to the Hebrew alphabet and this is what I discovered; the Hebrew letter Vav (which has a numerical value of 6) was a match.

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How sneaky is that? They are tricking you into having the numbers 666 in your possession disguised as 3 lines that supposedly look like monster claws cutting through the can.

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Now when you look at the rest of their slogans, everything takes on a different meaning, doesn’t it:

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Unleash the Beast!

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The Energy Drink contains ‘demonic’ energy and if you drink this drink you are drinking a satanic brew that will give you a boost. width=

On Youtube, one of the Monster Energy Drink commercials – It would appear possession takes place, the MONSTER IS NOW INSIDE as they show the man’s eyes with 666 Vav, Vav, Vav

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Now this Monster logo is but a type of a Mark of the Beast.  The world out there is CONDITIONING mankind into accepting the real thing one day.  The bible says:

Revelation 13: 16-18  “He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666. Look at the pics below and realize they are intentionally and covertly getting people to wear the mark of the beast.”

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“In the world of the occult, many symbols are imbued with power by the magician working in conjunction with the demonic spirit world. To cast a spell is to project energy through a symbol.”  –Wiccan, Starhawk “Covenant of the Goddess” – Manual: The Spiral Dance

People who are not saved, who are not covered by the Previous Blood of Jesus Christ are susceptible to their attacks. Witchcraft is being used against the world on a scale so broad that it encompasses everything you see on a daily basis – right down to children’s clothing at your local clothing store.

If you are not saved and would like to know Jesus Christ please read this: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/

Here is a video by a woman who explains even more about the Monster Energy Drink

We get tons of comments from people telling us that the 2nd Vav is part of the 1st Vav.  So we studied it and this is the outcome:

Monster Energy Drink 666

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  1. atheist says:

    Robbie rote:
    Ok are you telling me that you don’t eat shellfish or wear mixed fabric garments? Do you also stone adulterers in the town square? You don’t? Then why would you hold these other old testament verses in such high regard?

    Peirce,

    Satan also believes in God.

    The Bible also clearly forbids making cuttings and markings on your body…
    Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

    http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/30/to-tattoo-or-not-too-tattoo-that-is-the-biblical-question/

  2. Free Thinker says:

    Thomas Lessing,

    How, though, has humanity been a failure in tutorship of love and compassion? Jesus is not the first person to evidence love and compassion as a concept. Yes, that has been an icon of the faith, but at the same time, the hebrew God was the reason for an absolutely astounding amount of bloodshed in the name of God throughout the old testament. And after all, the Bible is claimed to by written by men “under the influence of the holy spirit”, which by all means could be an entirely universal concept. I don’t believe that humanity has been a failure in regard to teaching love and compassion at all–I believe it’s something innately inside of us all as human beings, but it takes work to realize.

    Think about the bible not as God’s holy word, but as a piece of literature written over thousands of years containing the progression of human nature, for a moment if you will. Just objectively concerning the values and lessons taught in the bible with the absence of God at the epicenter. The lessons taught in the bible are, on a human level, wonderful guidelines to good living. They are not perfect in the eyes of everyone, but there is a LOT of wisdom in the bible.

    I and many others don’t hold the bible as our standard to living (though we borrow its wisdom) because we do not believe the foundations that others do, that in order to believe in its entirety we must trust.

    However, over lots and lots of time, humanity (including those who wrote the bible), has developed a clearer and clearer picture of what is right and what is wrong (though many choose to adhere or not adhere). I don’t believe that the Bible is the only source of knowledge as to what is right and wrong, I believe that concept is influenced by many and all things.

    Also, in reply to your reply to Sarah:

    “And He always reveals Himself to them. How do I know? Well, again the Bible tells us so.”

    What about the tribes of indigenous islanders who have literally been living without external human contact since their creation? Or those born in the North Korean prison camps who also die there?

    If these people have never heard a word about God or Jesus, don’t they burn in hell as well? That’s entirely unfair.

  3. Free Thinker wrote:

    Thomas Lessing,

    How, though, has humanity been a failure in tutorship of love and compassion? Jesus is not the first person to evidence love and compassion as a concept. Yes, that has been an icon of the faith, but at the same time, the hebrew God was the reason for an absolutely astounding amount of bloodshed in the name of God throughout the old testament. And after all, the Bible is claimed to by written by men “under the influence of the holy spirit”, which by all means could be an entirely universal concept. I don’t believe that humanity has been a failure in regard to teaching love and compassion at all–I believe it’s something innately inside of us all as human beings, but it takes work to realize.

    I am pleased to see you are beginning to think instead of blurting out your emotions in words that are not fit for a person who knows how to love and show compassion.

    You are right in saying that the capacity to love and show compassion is innately in every human being. Where does it come from – evolution? I don’t think so. If not, then a Being who is infinitely more superior and powerful than we can imagine, created mankind with a free-will which, of course, includes the capacity to love and show compassion. It is this infinitely powerful and holy Being, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob whom you accuse of having shed “an absolutely astounding amount of bloodshed in the name of God throughout the old testament.” OK, let’s deal with this.

    I assume that in your country you have a very good judicial system in place – you know, things like lawyers, advocates. Judges, courts of law and a supreme court. Now, let’s assume you are a paedophile (not saying you are but just assume for one moment you are) and you have murdered twenty babies and toddlers. The strong arm of the law apprehends you and subsequently accuses you of murder. You are brought before a judge and after more than a year’s accumulated forensic evidence you are at last found guilty and sentenced to death. However, when you are given an opportunity to say something, you accuse the judge of shedding your blood and that he himself would duly be judged for his murderous activity. Really? What kind of justice is this?

    Now, let us turn to the Bible and the instances in the Old Testament to which you refer. You seem to be a good Bible scholar and therefore should know that the Israelite were slaves in Israel for about 430 years. During that time, God patiently waited for the Canaanite and all the other Gentile nations to turn to Him for repentance despite them having been guilty of some of the most heinous sins imaginable. One of their main recreational sins was to burn their own babies alive as an offering to their idol god called Molech (which is similar to today’s atrocious murder of babies through abortion). When God’s patience with them ceased, He rescued his people from Egypt and used them to execute his righteous judgment on the peoples’ of the land who were guilty of such an heinous sin and many other sins. And yet you blame the Supreme Judge in the entire universe and dare say “the Hebrew God was the reason for an absolutely astounding amount of bloodshed in the name of God throughout the old testament.” Would you rather have the Canaanite continue to murder their own babies and burn them alive as an offering to their false god Molech. If you are a just man, full of love and compassion, as you say, you would never take sides with the murderous Canaanite against God and call Him a murderer. Imagine your country taking sides with the criminals and getting rid of every single lawyer, advocate, judge and court of law, because they are in your view a bunch of murderous scum guilty of shedding the blood of multitudes of murderers. Your country will be destroyed in no time because of the ensuing anarchy.

    And let me add this: Israel is again in exile throughout the entire world. God has given the Gentile nations more than 2000 years to repent. The time is drawing closer when God Himself is going to judge the nations for their atrocities. The sad thing is that people like you who hate God and call God a murderer are reluctant to repent.

  4. Free Thinker wrote:

    Think about the bible not as God’s holy word, but as a piece of literature written over thousands of years containing the progression of human nature, for a moment if you will. Just objectively concerning the values and lessons taught in the bible with the absence of God at the epicenter. The lessons taught in the bible are, on a human level, wonderful guidelines to good living. They are not perfect in the eyes of everyone, but there is a LOT of wisdom in the bible.

    I and many others don’t hold the bible as our standard to living (though we borrow its wisdom) because we do not believe the foundations that others do, that in order to believe in its entirety we must trust.
    However, over lots and lots of time, humanity (including those who wrote the bible), has developed a clearer and clearer picture of what is right and what is wrong (though many choose to adhere or not adhere). I don’t believe that the Bible is the only source of knowledge as to what is right and wrong, I believe that concept is influenced by many and all things.

    Your language is replete with evolutionary ideas – “the progression of human nature” and “However, over lots and lots of time, humanity (including those who wrote the Bible), has developed a clearer and clearer picture of what is right and what is wrong . . .” You are not prepared to trust God and his Word but quite content to stake your life on a mere theory? Really? I can assure you that despite man’s phenomenal technological advances, he has woefully deteriorated in his morality. In the last few decades alone wars, crime, terrorism, corruption in the highest levels of government, the killing of babies (abortion), etc. have escalated hundred-fold. Do you call this development? You must be kidding. But then again, why should you be alarmed when you blame everything on God and his murderous activities?

    If the Bible is a compass for good and wholesome living, why aren’t you and the rest of the world following its wisdom and progressing to a more civilized society? I’ll tell you why. Because the Lawgiver and his laws cannot be separated. I have already told you that man can do nothing without Jesus Christ, whether you like it or not. You cannot keep his laws while you remove Him as the epicenter of those laws. In fact, mankind is completely inept and incompetent to keep God’s laws (his wisdom) and therefore He sent his Son to do it on our behalf.

    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20)

    The only prerequisite to benefit from his already fulfilling of the law, is to receive Him as your Saviour. I urge you to do so before it’s too late.

  5. Free Thinker wrote:

    Also, in reply to your reply to Sarah:

    “And He always reveals Himself to them. How do I know? Well, again the Bible tells us so.”
    What about the tribes of indigenous islanders who have literally been living without external human contact since their creation? Or those born in the North Korean prison camps who also die there?
    If these people have never heard a word about God or Jesus, don’t they burn in hell as well? That’s entirely unfair.”

    You have already conceded that the Bible contains a lot of wisdom. Why can’t you see the wisdom in the following passages of Scripture?

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (Romans 1:18-23)

    As you must know, the peoples who don’t worship the God of the Bible worship other gods. This may interest you greatly: Read here. Now, please tell me, if many peoples do not believe in Jesus Christ because they have never heard of Him, who told them about the gods they do worship? Surely someone must have taught them why and how they should worship their idols. The Bible gives us the answer:

    Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    They are holding the truth in unrighteousness. By the by, what makes you think the indigenous islanders and those in the North Korean Prison will receive Christ when they get an opportunity to hear of Him when you and so many others like you who have Bibles and even admit that it contains a lot of wisdom, refuse to repent and receive Him as Saviour?

  6. Steve says:

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    As you must know, the peoples who don’t worship the God of the Bible worship other gods. This may interest you greatly: Read here. Now, please tell me, if many peoples do not believe in Jesus Christ because they have never heard of Him, who told them about the gods they do worship? Surely someone must have taught them why and how they should worship their idols. The Bible gives us the answer:

    Why would they HAVE to of been told? If they are completely isolated, then I would say it’s reasonable to think that something explainable happened to them, or a group of them seen something (lets say lightning for example) or think it came from a greater being. Oh wait that’s how the Greek gods were came to be believed. So all those people who imagined a god of lightning would go to hell because it is a false god, and they had no way to know otherwise? That still seems pretty harsh.

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    They are holding the truth in unrighteousness. By the by, what makes you think the indigenous islanders and those in the North Korean Prison will receive Christ when they get an opportunity to hear of Him when you and so many others like you who have Bibles and even admit that it contains a lot of wisdom, refuse to repent and receive Him as Saviour?

    Also you can’t really say they wouldn’t take the word of god, based on the fact that Free Thinker or myself haven’t when presented with it. For the same reason you have when presented with it.

  7. Steve wrote:

    Why would they HAVE to of been told? If they are completely isolated, then I would say it’s reasonable to think that something explainable happened to them, or a group of them seen something (lets say lightning for example) or think it came from a greater being. Oh wait that’s how the Greek gods were came to be believed. So all those people who imagined a god of lightning would go to hell because it is a false god, and they had no way to know otherwise? That still seems pretty harsh.

    You are merely reiterating what I quoted to you from the Bible and confirming what I had already said.

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousnes; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (Romans 1:18-23)

    The Greeks in Paul’s time (5 to 6 AD) made an altar to an unknown God.

    Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. So Paul departed from among them. Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them. (Act 17:22-34)

    Steve wrote:

    Also you can’t really say they wouldn’t take the word of god, based on the fact that Free Thinker or myself haven’t when presented with it. For the same reason you have when presented with it.

    As you can see from the above quote from Acts 17 only a handful of Greeks were saved when Paul presented the Gospel to them. That has always been the case because man is adamant to repent. The reason is:

    Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. (Matthew 7:13-14)

    Both you and Free Thinker can and do know the truth but refuse to seek God for your salvation. Don’t blame God for your obstinacy and rebellion.

  8. Free Thinker says:

    Thomas Lessing,

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    Free Thinker wrote:

    I am pleased to see you are beginning to think instead of blurting out your emotions in words that are not fit for a person who knows how to love and show compassion.

    Listen man, I’ve been composed this entire time presenting valid arguments and counter arguments to your statements, which is what I always intend to do. I haven’t been blurting out anything emotionally founded, I haven’t said “You are completely wrong in your belief” because I don’t believe that anyone or anything can be 100% correct. Don’t accuse me of not thinking here, the reason you are interpreting my statements as blurts of emotion is because you probably think that I am in “rebellion” against God because you can see it no other way.

    Steve, myself, and a fairly large amount of other people in this thread all would probably agree that they see the Bible as a good source of wisdom in how to, say, run a family or treat those who you govern; But we do not, out of rebellion, refuse to seek God for our “salvation” because many of us do not see God as what the Bible manifests him to be. I for one make my own belief of the origin and purpose of our existence based on my observations, drawing from every source available. I weigh the options, see what makes the most logical sense historically and physically, and the supernatural is something that I have not witnessed or have witnessed very little, therefore making it an extremely small explanation for both the origin and purpose of our lives as human beings. Does that make sense? I draw my conclusions from all sorts of sources and the Bible does have good, solid background such as histories of the old empires that can be backed up archaeologically, BUT I do not see it as an entirely believable piece of literature (with things like talking snakes and women made from a rib, or even Jesus disappearing into thin air)–Therefore making it simply a book with good intention and wise information that people should definitely read and take wisdom from! They may base their conclusions on life accordingly, I am neither advocating for or against a literal interpretation of the bible, merely for them to weigh all their options and to consider what makes the most sense–To always keep an open mind.

    I’m sure by now you understand that I am not in rebellion of God, because I do not view God the way you do and cannot therefore rebel against something I do not perceive. I am not saying that God doesn’t exist! I am saying that I do not perceive God to exist, though He may or may not, and I cannot base my facts on the Bible because God is the foundation.

    That being said, in regard to your quotes about the indigenous and prisoners for life such as the North Koreans in death camps, or even further with children who grow to ages where they are capable of knowledgeable “sin” but have in no way been exposed to the Christian God or Jesus… If they have either never considered for life to have a supernatural governor, or HAVE, but worship something other than the Christian God, they will go to hell ignorant of what may have “saved” them.

    That’s like saying you believe in Christ and the Christian trinity, but when you die you end up on the front doorstep of Ra or Imhotep. Imagine the surprise when you or literally billions of people who lived and died over the years are wrong about the afterlife, you know?

    All I’m saying is that if someone has never even heard of God or Jesus, which believing in Jesus is a requirement to go to heaven, there is absolutely no way they would end up in heaven–if life was judged according to the bible.

    I for one can say that I would love to be surprised at the end of my life. If there is a hell that I can go to for not believing in something I cannot perceive, then I deserved it because I obviously overlooked something. However, if there is not and it is something completely different, or even if there is no afterlife in the first place, I doubt I will be unhappy about it. I believe in humans having spirits because that’s just something I have observed to be generally true and inexplicable. I cannot make any judgement on the nature of an afterlife because, alas, I have never died completely before.

    To wrap this conversation up, I just want to say that I have had a good time discussing this with you. I like it when I can have discussions that are thought out and of an adult nature. It is obvious that you and I are probably never going to reach a point where we either agree or one of us will present something entirely inarguable against, because, as is everything in life, nothing can be proven or dis-proven completely. Someone could even say that gravity is the invisible force of a supernatural being, forcing something downward, which we have massive amounts of evidence that suggests that is not the case, BUT I will never ever out-rule the idea that it could be true, even if it is an infinitesimally small chance.

    In short, yours and many others’ handbook to the universe is the bible, which you will view as the ultimate truth; mine is my own observations and the collected knowledge of mankind up to this day. We will probably never see eye to eye, but I will respect the possibility for your view to be valid forever, as I should hope you would do for mine as well.

    Thanks for the conversation, keep your mind open to all possibilities, weigh your facts, and I appreciate your respectfulness.
    Have a good one Thomas.

  9. Free Thinker,

    I would like to encourage you to study the prophecies in the Bible which is the proof that God not only exists but is really who He says He is – the only Saviour of the world. It seems that you have made quite a bit of observations of just about everything except of the prophecies in the Bible. I too thank you for your respectful conversation. May we meet again and hopefully in heaven.

    Hell was not made for humanity but for the devil and his angels.

    Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. (Matthew 25:41)

  10. Steve Wasdelicious says:

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    SteveWasdeliciou,

    How do you propose to open peoples’ eyes without you having to open your mouth?

    I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Ti 4:1-4)

    You can’t preach the Word and warn people without opening your mouth, can you?

    I didn’t mean literally open your mouth I mean make sure you aren’t attacking the person. Our job on earth is to number one, come to know Jesus and become close to Him, as well as saving as many souls from eternal death as we can. Not to attack others. After all, God hates sin… not the people who sin. And using scripture that says God hates the thief, liar, etc, does not refer to unbelievers with open minds, it refers to the ignorant with hardened hearts who will never turn to God as a savior. But also, in those cases He does not hate the person, for He loves all people. He simply hates that they chose a path contradictory to what His will is.

  11. URDumb says:

    If any of you actually believe this story, your truly IGNORANT SHEEPLE. The Top of the emblems look NOTHING alike. Monster cans llok like a claw cutting into it from left to right and then down. Pointy at the start of the tearing on the left before the downward tear. The symbol for “6” has a swoosh on top and is a lot thicker. No point to the left. Can anyone think for themselves anymore? There are a lot of coincidences, yes. But that all they are. Don’t let people like worldtruth.tv tell you anything without doing the research on your own first. Fear mongers is all they are.

  12. Steve Wasdelicious

    We are not attacking people. We are warning them against the wiles of the devil. And that’s precisely what you should be doing as well.

    And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:11)

    By the way, you seem to say that God does not love everyone. Are you a Calvinist?

  13. Steve says:

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    By the way, you seem to say that God does not love everyone. Are you a Calvinist?

    He actually said the exact opposite. He said:

    Steve Wasdelicious wrote:

    God hates sin… not the people who sin

    and

    Steve Wasdelicious wrote:

    it refers to the ignorant with hardened hearts who will never turn to God as a savior. But also, in those cases He does not hate the person, for He loves all people. He simply hates that they chose a path contradictory to what His will is.

    Also I want to thank Free Thinker for his comments. I literally couldn’t have said it myself. He was incredibly careful with his wording and knows a great deal more about the bible than me. Which allows him to better discuss how people like him and I view life.

    Free Thinker wrote:

    Steve, myself, and a fairly large amount of other people in this thread all would probably agree that they see the Bible as a good source of wisdom in how to, say, run a family or treat those who you govern; But we do not, out of rebellion, refuse to seek God for our “salvation” because many of us do not see God as what the Bible manifests him to be. I for one make my own belief of the origin and purpose of our existence based on my observations, drawing from every source available. I weigh the options, see what makes the most logical sense historically and physically, and the supernatural is something that I have not witnessed or have witnessed very little, therefore making it an extremely small explanation for both the origin and purpose of our lives as human beings. Does that make sense? I draw my conclusions from all sorts of sources and the Bible does have good, solid background such as histories of the old empires that can be backed up archaeologically, BUT I do not see it as an entirely believable piece of literature (with things like talking snakes and women made from a rib, or even Jesus disappearing into thin air)–Therefore making it simply a book with good intention and wise information that people should definitely read and take wisdom from! They may base their conclusions on life accordingly, I am neither advocating for or against a literal interpretation of the bible, merely for them to weigh all their options and to consider what makes the most sense–To always keep an open mind.

    From what I have read on this forum so far, the way I am reading things (I could be misinterpreting) is that it doesn’t matter if you follow the commandments (which I think are rules everyone should live by because they make sense, and if everyone did the world would be a better place) you still go to hell, just because you don’t believe in Jesus? Well I say that would be a bit over the top. For if you follow his teaching AND believe in Jesus you are saved, but if you follow his teachings and do not believe in Jesus you go to hell for eternity? Something that tries to “force” me into believing something like that, just makes me not want to even more. However I will always believe that the teachings of how one should govern how they act is a good way to be, whether you believe or now.

  14. Steve wrote,

    From what I have read on this forum so far, the way I am reading things (I could be misinterpreting) is that it doesn’t matter if you follow the commandments (which I think are rules everyone should live by because they make sense, and if everyone did the world would be a better place) you still go to hell, just because you don’t believe in Jesus? Well I say that would be a bit over the top. For if you follow his teaching AND believe in Jesus you are saved, but if you follow his teachings and do not believe in Jesus you go to hell for eternity? Something that tries to “force” me into believing something like that, just makes me not want to even more. However I will always believe that the teachings of how one should govern how they act is a good way to be, whether you believe or now.

    If it were possible for you to keep all of God’s commandments (which you think are rules everyone should live by because they make sense, and if everyone did the world would be a better place), from the moment you had become accountable for your deeds right through your life, every single second of the day, and right up to the moment of your death, you would indeed have gone to heaven.

    The snag is, however, that if you break one of God’s commandments you are guilty of having broken them all. Take, for instance Jesus’ command, “everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” God does not only see the deed when it is already done; He sees the heart and all its intents.

    What you think in your heart is what you really are. Your thoughts constitute the condition of the heart and that’s why the Bible says: “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can understand it?” Not even you can understand or fathom the depths of your own heart. God alone knows what is in your heart even before you contemplate to do anything.

    David said: “Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O LORD, you know it altogether.” “And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.” “Naked, in this sense means to be stripped of all our facades and smokescreens we use to hide our shortcomings.

    The irony is – and you don’t seem to realize it – is that you are trying to force yourself into obeying God’s commandments (which you think are rules everyone should live by because they make sense, and if everyone did the world would be a better place), but you don’t like it when someone urges you to believe in Jesus Christ for your salvation. How does that work for you?

    The Good News (Gospel) is that God who loves you so much and has no pleasure in your death as a lawbreaker, sent his Son – being born in the likeness of man – to fulfil God’s Law in your behalf so that you may receive forgiveness for your sins and eternal life. It is a free gift. You don’t have to do anything accept to receive Jesus Christ as your Saviour through faith alone. It is insane to reject the gift of eternal life.

  15. Steve,

    Indeed, Steve Steve Wasdelicious wrote:

    After all, God hates sin… not the people who sin. And using scripture that says God hates the thief, liar, etc, does not refer to unbelievers with open minds, it refers to the ignorant with hardened hearts who will never turn to God as a savior. But also, in those cases He does not hate the person, for He loves all people. He simply hates that they chose a path contradictory to what His will is.

    Calvinists do in fact believe that those whose hearts God Himself has hardened can never be saved. You cannot say that those whose hearts are hardened can never be saved. If that were the case you and Free Thinker can never be saved. The Bible teaches that everything is possible with God, to save even those whose hearts are hardened.

    I would like to hear from Steve Wasdelicious himself whether he is a Calvinist.

  16. Alex says:

    Lets try to speak only words of peace and joy, to think only thoughts of hope and light, to do only loving and sharing acts, to eat and drink only natural fruits and vegetables and drinks … na mas te

  17. Alex,

    Yeah, let’s do everything we want and sanction it all by speaking peace and joy, have thoughts of hope and light and only do loving and sharing acts. IN that way God will overlook our sins and rebellion.

  18. Steve Wasdelicious says:

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    Steve Wasdelicious

    We are not attacking people. We are warning them against the wiles of the devil. And that’s precisely what you should be doing as well.

    And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:11)

    By the way, you seem to say that God does not love everyone. Are you a Calvinist?

    You could have fooled me with your “warnings”. And I never did say God does not love everyone. Everyone and everything was created by Him so He naturally loves all of creation. That doesn’t mean He is never disappointed though.

  19. Steve Wasdelicious

    Yes, He is eternally disappointed with those who revere a drink honoring Antichrist (666).

  20. Mister says:

    I’m a Christian and you people buying into this drink being Satanic are unbelievable. I was a former graphic designer and did projects for companies such as Panasonic. When you get a graphic designer to design something, He is given guidelines and the designer creates whatever he can with the given boundaries.

    It was likely he/she was told to use the letter “M” (for the brand’s name) as a logo and have it somehow be a associated with a monster. What’s the first thing to come into mind. A monster claw slash. It’s coincidence, nothing more.

  21. Mister,

    Coincidences are often very dangerous.

  22. Katrina says:

    Okay. But the logo is an “m” doesn’t that mean the value is 40? What if me being a believer buys this product and drinks it because I like the taste? Does that automatically mean im not a Christian? What if the company didn’t know this?

  23. Where there’s smoke there must be a fire.

    Please read here, here and here.

    You say you are a believer. A believer in what? To answer your question “Does that automatically mean im not a Christian?” If you are saved you can drink the “tasty” monster drink and probably end up in heaven much sooner than you think. If you are not saved you would probably end up in hell sooner than you think.

    What I cannot understand, is why Christians are so enamored with monsters these days. They love the taste of Harry Potter and allow their children to taste it as well, and still believe it cannot harm them. Or they dress their little kids up like little monsters and witches and send them out on a trick or treat spree. Oh, but it’s so much fun, they say. Yes drinking monster drinks because they are supposedly so tasty is real fun – it can kill you. Drink up, my dear friend and enjoy the taste.

  24. woodrow says:

    Probably old news, but didn’t John write the book of Revelation in Greek and not Hebrew? Very interesting thought though. As Christians, being aware of things and symbolism around us is certainly good. Marketing people all over try abd catch our eye. Why even Pepsi uses a form of the yin/yang as their logo. Though it is not the mark of the beast, it is still a path to a religion that goes against the teachings of our Lord.

  25. kyle says:

    i think its worth mentioning that the monster company is no nessacarily satanic. this is a subliminal undertaking to condition us to the idea of wearing a mark of a particular organization. we could make the same claims against nike. goddess of victory nike. speaks against the one true god. andd speaks of a ‘victory’ of a pagan goddess. but i dont believe these companies are evil just a clever trick of the true enemy satan.

  26. kyle,

    No one is suggesting that the company is necessarily satanic. What the author of the article did was to expose the satanic symbol of 666 on their cans.

  27. dan says:

    lmao. everything is “satanic” to paranoid fundies

  28. dan,

    Then Jesus must have been a paranoid fundie. He said through Paul:

    And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Eph 5:11)

  29. The Beast unleashed says:

    Anyways your all wrong.. Haven’t any of you seen the movie End of Days.. They explain it perfectly. John was shown the number of the beast in a dream right? And in dreams numbers are often portrayed upside down. So the true number of the beast is 999 and unless you store your monster cans upside down then you have nothing to worry about… Lol

  30. I suggest that you rather read your Bible than listen to the rubbish they say in movies.

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