Have Heart: Bridging the Gulf Between Heaven and Earth all the while Normalizing Necromancy

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  1. Burning Lamp says:

    The loss of a loved one is tragic, especially a precious offspring. However, a tragedy has been turned into an even GREATER tragedy, that of leading vulnerable sheep into the sin of necromancy.

    And the enemy is being aided and abetted by those who are entrusted with leading the sheep. The Laurie’s lost their son in a horrific traffic accident, which is a tragedy, but again the greater tragedy is how many emotionally vulnerable people who trust and respect Greg Laurie and will latch onto these lies from the pit of hell because of his endorsement.

    It should be no surprise that the author of the occultic “Shack” should endorse this book. It goes hand in hand with his writing, bringing believers into a world that is not to be found in the Bible except to warn and condemn.

    What is also tragic is that this book has been around for about 2 years. Why the delay in warning about it? Better late than never, but how many have already been sucked into this by now and have gone down a dangerous road?

  2. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    BL

    >> What is also tragic is that this book has been around for about 2 years.

    Is it possible no one knew about it. I went to the book stores today and we don’t have this book in our ‘Christian’ bookstores YET – we do have others though that no one has written about which I am going to write about soon because one is selling like hotcakes.

  3. Burning Lamp says:

    It was released July 2010.

    You may have a point. One explanation could be that it was “trumped” by the book about the 4 year old called Heaven is For Real. There is a whole website dedicated to Have Heart which would indicate that it is popular, but the sales records do not reflect that. Interesting!

  4. Beverley says:

    Another thought, they are just cashing in on people’s bereavement and their son’s death!!! How wicket is that. They encourage people to call up familiar spirits by trying to normaliz necromancy. It is just another form of witchcraft.

  5. Kate Akele says:

    AWWWRCK! Now, Choo Nam Thomas has company!

  6. Burning Lamp says:

    Bev. the Bergers no doubt were sincere in wanting to reach out and help other families who lost loved ones. However, they were seduced by evil spirits in an emotional state. What I see here is the sad state of affairs in the Church – when these experiences happened they should have had someone with discernment recognize that this was not of God. But being that Berger is a pastor, people probably didn’t question it.

    And then you have other pastors and Christian musicians with no discernment jump on the bandwagon and further the deception.

  7. Some of these “di$cernment” “mini$trie$” appear to be doing cover for Missler all rolled out a “Have Heart” article to “gloss over” Chuck Missler all at the same exact time almost 2 years AFTER the book. THIS IS NO COINCIDENCE. Missler was vulnerable on this book.

    Chuck Missler had a conference in April of 2010 featuring “Have Heart” and then endorsed the book on his website and then the book back in 2010.

    Then after all these articles that rolled out at the same time, Missler issues a statement on his Facebook that he didn’t read the entire book, this was 9 days ago.

    Then Spiritual Research Network (by Chris Lawson) issued a “gloss over” on Missler’s Facebook comment 6 days ago. It’s pathetic.

    http://www.spiritual-research-network.com/have_heart_bridging_the_gulf_steve_berger.html

    You have to scroll down to see his crafty wordsmithing on how he “glossed over” Missler’s Facebook comment.

    It’s only 3 1/2 sentences in a HUGE statement that talks about meaningless stuff having NOTHING to do with Missler.

    Now we can “see” how Missler is being protected.

    Here is my post from 4 days ago with ALL THE EVIDENCE, please read and pass this on –

    http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2012/01/gullibility-of-fallen-apostate-church.html

    Keep your eye out for my next article, it’s a real doozy.

    [Edited by DTW: Here is the doozy: http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2012/01/fear-of-chuck-missler.html%5D

  8. Beverley says:

    Hi Burning Lamp, maybe they were seduced by evil spirits, but I think they were definitely seduced by the thought of making money.

    Just a question do you think they had these experiences? I think they make it all up.

    In His Grip
    Beverley

  9. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Beverley

    Based on the current world climate where demonic activity is very very active I would say they did have these experiences. No their family member did not come back. Yes evil spirits appeared to this family and this family accepted the lie as being truth. The moment to ACCEPT the lie, you are in big trouble – you open yourself wide open for complete attack.

    But why were they even seeing these demons in the first place? Because they most definitely have been delving into things they SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN and they most definitely are not saved.

    The best way for demons to get their message out is via books and media, and if this family can make a good few bucks off of telling their story (they think they are doing a good thing here) then so be it. And of course the book sells like hot cakes so now that seals the deal even more for this family that what is happening to them is true. Satan is so cunning, so evil.

  10. Kate Akele says:

    Burning Lamp, Hosea 4:6 sums up the matter concerning those ‘eating up’ books like this. when one doesn’t know the WORD, DECEPTION is the end result. Chikena!

  11. Burning Lamp says:

    As for the Bergers’ motives, that is for God to judge. I don’t think for one minute that they would have exploited their deep grief over the loss of their son for monetary gain. It would appear that in their deep sorrow they were seduced.

    If you read the article William Saunders referenced it is quite clear that there is little or no discernment in Grace Chapel which is part of the Calvary Chapel fellowship of churches. There is an extensive list of documentation in the article that would bear this out. It would seem they were ripe for deception when this tragedy occured. Satan already had inroads and the way was paved for further deception.

    Another Calvary Chapel pastor, Greg Laurie who also lost a son in a traffic accident endorsed the book. We feel for them in their grief and loss, but the lack of discernment is appalling because pastors are supposed to protect the sheep. It seems that relationships are more important than truth. Pastors and Christian leaders should have been on the forefront of alerting the sheep of the dangers and also going to the Bergers privately to minister the truth to them. That would have been the most loving thing to do. It could have been done in such a way as to not discount their grief, but to exhort them to good works instead of endorsing their error. By endorsing their error they are complicit as they are held to a higher level of accountability as Christian leaders.

  12. Marion says:

    Beverley…you ask 2 questions about what “motivated” the writing of this book. We cannot discern that. Only God can judge a heart; we only get to examine fruit, We also cannot discern the truth about their experiences (i.e., “do you think they had these experiences” or did they make them up)…only God and they know. However, what we can know is this:
    If they truly had those experiences (fruit)…God’s Word forbids contact with “familiar spirits” and such contact is called abomination. If they made it up (fruit)…it’s a lie…either way you slice it…this is an EVIL work…and THAT is the truth we can discern from the Word of God.

    In today’s world, we may not be able to “discern” the truth about many things. However, we have been given TRUTH in the Word of God, and if we fill our lives with it, and LIVE it, we will always have a place to stand!

    “Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:31-32)KJV

    If the truth makes us free, what does it make us free from?…LIES!

  13. Here is the latest post exposing the “di$cernment mini$trie$” and “The Fear Of Chuck Missler” –

    http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2012/01/fear-of-chuck-missler.html

  14. starlight says:

    There is an article on the Berean Call website (www.thebereancall.org) in which Dave Hunt and TA MacMahon answers a reader’s/listener’s question wrt this book. It is a book to be beware of. Shoo, people in their droves seem to be under this delusional spirit and everyone has a testimony of some sorts. I often used to say: “but Lord, why don’t I have such testimonies”. Well, I know know better. Let us hold fast to sound Biblical doctrine. Blessings

  15. [Edited by DTW – See article here: The Fear Of Chuck Missler-]

    All these “di$cernment””mini$trie$” ALL rolled out an article on a nearly two year old book ALL at the same time.

    Ask yourself this question – Is there something going on here?

    Did you notice how Chuck Missler (& Greg Laurie) was “glossed over” and still referred to as an “evangelical leader” in the book review?

    As if it was no big deal. Jesus said “Be wise as a serpent”. “SEE” what’s happening here.

    Then when Missler comes out with his infamous “didn’t read the entire book” TRICK, even though he had a conference featuring the book & endorsed the book nearly two years ago, nobody calls him a LIAR.

    Missler cleverly blames it on PROTOCOL. It’s PROTOCOL that’s the problem. CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? Apparently, the GULLIBLE DO.

    They need the GULLIBLE to survive. All these guys do.

    These guys are depending on people to be gullible in order to get away with this, and it works for them.

    The last days apostasy indicator is gullibility because people refuse to be “wise as a serpent” due to people NOT loving The Truth. 2 Thess 2:10

    We are “seeing” it right before our very own eyes. People allowing this to happen (not getting it) not realizing whats happening.

    [Edited by DTW: See new section in article about Covetousness!]

  16. Burning Lamp says:

    Starlight, was there any mention of a concern about the people who endorsed it, including Chuck Missler? Chuck and Dave used to participate in ministry together. So many of these people have done the circuits together and projects together and one has to wonder if they had any clue. While Dave was still active in the ministry I recall he did express some concerns about the book the Misslers co-wrote. But there always seems to be “gloves on” remarks and it is time to “take off the gloves” for the sake of the flock.

    It seems that the quest for “experiences” is a trap for many Christians. “Experiences” can be deceptive, and the Word of God is the only thing we can trust.

  17. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    BL

    >> While Dave was still active in the ministry I recall he did express some concerns about the book the Misslers co-wrote

    Yes, I think I mentioned that article of Dave Hunt’s on my website. But that is all that Dave Hunt has had to say about Chuck Missler, as far as I know.

    Time for gloves-off indeed.

  18. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Ah I found it:

    ——————-

    Regarding the latest book by Chuck and Nancy Missler titled Kingdom, Power, and Glory: The Overcomer’s Hand book this is what THE BEREAN CALL had to say about the book:

    Quotes…

    “Nancy, has, in our view, serious doctrinal errors. The main thesis they present is that born-again believers fall into two categories: “overcomers” and “carnal Christians.” When both stand before Jesus at His judgment seat for rewards, those saved carnal Christians (whose lives have produced few, if any, good works) will be relegated to a place of outer darkness during the Millennium when overcoming Christians will rule and reign with Christ.” — http://www.thebereancall.org/node/8167

    “In addition to the implications regarding the gospel, it grieves me deeply that the Misslers’ book may spread anxiety and fear among evangelicals, much like I had as a Roman Catholic. I knew I had punishments awaiting me, even if I made it to purgatory. Being delivered from that fear when I put my faith in the One who paid the full penalty for my sins, my heart joyfully rested in His words: “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you” (John 14:1-2). There are many, many other verses that clearly show that Jesus will never separate Himself nor cast the believer away from Himself. We have His blessed assurance.” —-http://www.thebereancall.org/node/8167

  19. Bob Crissey says:

    omg…u folks are nuts. All proceeds from this book have gone to a wonderful orphanage in Haiti. You are so busy picking apart sincerity of the Christian Faith that you possess 0. I think when you sit at that lonely table in Heaven, the Berger’s will be responsible for a stadium of souls. This is pathetic. You should be proud of all wonderful folks you have critically picked apart. I’m sure you can find a ton of examples in the Bible…on you probably wrote yourself.

  20. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Bob

    1) Don’t blaspheme the name of God
    2) So it’s ok to write a book to lead people astray (to hell) as long as the money from the book goes to help people? LOL Where is that in the Bible?
    3) Please supply scripture to back up your argument… which you can’t

  21. Redeemed says:

    Bob Crissey wrote:

    omg…u folks are nuts. All proceeds from this book have gone to a wonderful orphanage in Haiti. You are so busy picking apart sincerity of the Christian Faith that you possess 0. I think when you sit at that lonely table in Heaven, the Berger’s will be responsible for a stadium of souls. This is pathetic. You should be proud of all wonderful folks you have critically picked apart. I’m sure you can find a ton of examples in the Bible…on you probably wrote yourself.

    And just what “gospel” are they preaching? If they have a stadium full it will not be in heaven. Universalism? Communication with the dead?

    You seem to not only use God’s name in vain, you also demean His Holy Word. God will not be mocked.

    The Bible says that there is a way that SEEMS right to a man, but the end thereof leads to destruction. People can be SINCERELY wrong and the intention of this blog is to alert people not to fall for a false gospel and entertain what is an abomination to God.

  22. Bob Nicholson says:

    I have known the Bergers since before they were married. They did not seek out the alleged communication with their son; I can tell you they were shocked by the implications of what did happen. Saul sought out a necromancer, against God’s will, and did, in fact, communicate with Samuel. Nobody at Steve’s Church sought out Josiah or a necromancer, and they believe to do so would be disobedient to God and His Word. It is possible, that in their great grief, God allowed Josiah to briefly say a word. The rich man saw Lazarus with Abraham, both having passed, and asked if Lazarus might warn his family, but God said, that they have the prophets – If they will not believe them, then neither will they believe if someone returns from the dead”. He did not say that it could not be done, but he forbade Lazarus for the stated reason. Jesus communicated on the Mountain with prophets who had passed, and the disciples saw them. We would never accuse the disciples nor Jesus as being necromancers, nor should we. Such things are rare, from a Biblical standpoint, and rare in life. By the will of God, there is generally an inseparable gap between the living and the dead. Jesus rose from the dead and came back, and many who were in the tombs rose at his resurrection, and appeared to many; one can assume that they were mute zombies; there was likely some form of communication from those that rose. Nobody there was recorded as sinning or necromancing. This website seems quick to condemn the Bergers. Granted, there are acts that should be condemned. One act is judging with an unrighteous or self-righteous judgment. Jesus ate and drank with sinners, and he was condemned by the religious. There is enough unrighteousness in the need of repentance and God’s grace, to go around. This may be a case, of “Judge not, lest you be judged.” We all hate sin, but how much to we afford grace to others, who may not be as perfectly doctrinally correct as we see ourselves; especially who put their hope, alone, in the resurrected savior? By the way, the Bergers believe in Hell, and preach so. That you can find a written passage that does not mention Hell, does not imply that one denies it.

  23. Bob Nicholson,

    How certain are you that the person who spoke to the Bergers were in fact their deceased son? You condemn necromancy in the light of scripture and then venture to corroborate the appearing of the dead to the living. None of the examples you mention were necromancy. There is a great difference between man’s deliberate efforts to communicate with he dead and God allowing the deceased to appear for specific reasons? At any rate, Paul wrote “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”
    (2Ti 3:16-17). We don’t need the deceased to appear to us to allegedly teach or show us something that is not found in the Bible. I really think yo u are playing with fire. Beware!

    We are commanded to judge all things righteously which debunks your view of judgment.

    But the spiritual man tries all things [he [a]examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him]. (1 Cor 2:15).

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