An Open Letter to All Christians – Are You Ready?


by a DTW researcher

I recently listened to a testimony by a singer/performer who got saved.

He had been a boozing druggie until his salvation. When he got saved, his change was instant and dramatic, so much so that all his friends were in shock. They whispered behind his back that the drugs and booze had made him “flip out.”

The booze and drugs have affected him so much that he is even speaking about Jesus” they said.

Some of his friends even wanted to get him to a doctor to help him recover from whatever it was that made him so radically different. They simply could not believe that what had happened to him was the real deal, and that he in fact was the one who was rational and sane. The reaction from his close associates and friends are amusing to us this side of the fence because we “know” something that can only be known deep within our spirit. We can fully understand their misreading of his condition from reprobate to redeemed.

I would now like you to apply this story to every believer.

For a while now we have been urging believers to get their house in order and change their life style because, we have been saying that Jesus is coming for His bride sooner than you think.

We have been to enormous lengths to encourage Christians to repent from a worldly and carnal lifestyle. We have exorted them to take their salvation seriously because “…the night is far spent and the day is at hand; let us therefore cast off the works of darkness and let us put on the armour of light, setting your affections on things above not on things on the earth. “

It always grieves me when the response is similar to the unsaved friends of the man who got saved. Most often heard is, “We have heard all this before. For many years they have been saying that Jesus is coming and the Rapture is close at hand.”

I myself had been saying this for at least 30 years. But now something is different.

Whereas before my belief in the rapture was based on what the Bible says (which is good) but my conviction now is fueled by numerous indications that the time is at hand for us to go. The sense is not just current international events, it is a spiritual “revelation” if you will, that Jesus Christ is coming for His bride very soon; are you ready?

There is also a conviction within my heart that many confessing Christians will not make it (DTW note: these are those who profess to be Christian but are not – they have a form of Godliness but deny God’s power]. The rapture is very close, perhaps even within the next two or three years. Please understand I AM NOT DATE SETTING! The Rapture could occur at any moment. There is only one prophecy to be fulfilled before the bride is taken up to be with the Lord. That prophecy is the sound of the “last trump.”

There is very compelling evidence that once the Rapture takes place, the world will continue to prepare for the Tribulation Period and finally the Great Tribulation. It turns out that it could take three to seven years before the treaty withIsraelis confirmed by the Man of Sin.

Think about it. We are here in the second half of 2011 and so many things have happened globally from the beginning of this year. Major unprecedented storms, major earthquakes, political chaos, the “Arab” spring etc. all thought to be impossible a year ago.

Since March 2011 three Arab nations have changed masters, and Syria is next in line.

The EU is taking a strong line and a leading role ahead of the USA.

On the financial front the world is poised for the second round of an earth shattering financial crash. If there is a three or five year gap between the Rapture and the Tribulation, everything that needs to fall into place can happen because things are moving very fast.

Ask anyone…they will tell you that something major has to happen in the world, that something is happening. They do not know what it is, but their instinct tells them that all is not well with planet earth.

My appeal to every child of God is this…

If you are drinking…STOP TODAY.



If you are abusing your body in any way…STOP.

If you are a manipulating or lying…STOP.

If you are abusing your spouse, family or anyone else…STOP & MAKE RIGHT.

If you are hooked on porn, internet chatting, scandalling etc…STOP. CONFESS AND GET HELP IF YOU NEED IT.

Please get yourself ready to meet the King of kings and Lord of lords. But our God is more personal than that, He is our personal Saviour and is with us through thick and thin no matter what the circumstances.

ROMANS 8: 28 – 31  “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?”

Because the time of our redemption is so close at hand, it is time to settle your moral accounts.

2 CORINTHIANS 6: 2 – 10 “For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed: But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses, In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings; By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned, By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.”

Start tomorrow with a clean slate and continue like that for as long as it takes. JESUS IS COMING SOON! (Not the second coming at the end of the Tribulation Period, but He is coming for His Bride) The time for playing “Church” is over. Make ready your life from now on, meet with like-minded Christians who can encourage you and help you get to where you should be, before you hear the trumpet sound.

Now is the time to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

Jesus told the Church at Thyatira in the book of Revelation 2: 18 – 29 that they will go through the Great Tribulation because they were corrupt and sexually immoral. This does not have to be so. Stop now and do an “about turn.”

1 JOHN 1: 9 says “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” [Notice that it says “ALL” sins]

Salvation now at this time is for nothing. It is a free gift to all who would accept it.

During the Great Tribulation it wont be so easy to remain a Christian; it will cost you dearly. Please dear brother and sister get yourself back to Christ, today.

Tomorrow might be too late. Now is the accepted time.

ISAIAH 55: 6 says “Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near…”

44 Responses

  1. Burning Lamp says:

    I never thought I would ever live to see the day when the so-called Church would be so indistinguishable from the world and the matchless grace of God trampled upon and abused.

    False “gospels” have produced multitudes of counterfeit
    “Christians” who have so influenced and compromised the Church to love the world and play into the hands of the enemy.

    Yes, we as true believers need a wake-up call. But we don’t need a list of do’s and don’ts. We need the conviction of the Holy Spirit and we need to get SERIOUS about serving our Lord! We need to look outside our selfish shells of our lives and see a lost and dying world. We need to divorce ourselves from the evil that surrounds us and ask the Lord to shine His light into our hearts as to ANYTHING we are doing that is displeasing to Him.

    Carnal Christians will not lose their salvation if they are truly sealed by the Holy Spirit, but there are no words to describe what it will be like to stand before our Lord to give an account of what we have done with what He has done for us. He gave His ALL, have we given OUR all for Him? We, as believers will have to look upon His face and His nail-scalled hands and then realize that we have sacrificed so little for Him. There will no doubt be tears of regret and shame for how we have lived our lives and opportunities missed to serve Him and reach the lost.

    Now is the time to examine ourselves and repent before Him and redeem the time. Yes, we will be misunderstood and accused of being too extreme, but remember, Who is our Judge!

    If you are in a church that is not teaching the Word, LEAVE! Too many of us care more about what others think than what the Lord thinks! Did He care what the world thought of Him as He hung on that cross for us?

    Forsake ANYTHING that dishonors His Name! Learn to HATE sin, not cozy up to it with a wishy-washy attitude.

    Love others as Christ loves them, but hate the sin and stand for truth! Count the cost!! We are on the brink of eternity! This life is but a vapor and eternity is forever!

    Cling to His Word and spurn anything that contradicts it! Live each hour as if he is at the door because He could be!

  2. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    sighs – It was just Vernon expressing his anguish and mentioning the things that face every day people yes, even CHRISTIANS. And of course we need the conviction of the Holy Spirit (no where has that ever not been said on this website) and I am sure there are plenty of Christians out there who are currently being convicted but are not listening and sinning – doing those things mentioned on that list.

    Agh, I give up lol, I’ve realized that you can’t make everyone happy with an article.

  3. Lee says:

    Yep, this article is for me! I always think to myself why didnt I have such a transformative WOW conversion…maybe it was better to be strung out in sin rather than going to church lol then i could have had a clear conversion…

    Thanks for this Debs!

  4. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    I did not have such a transformative conversion either, then again my conversion was not drinking but other things that were much more involved. It took me over a year of working out my life with Jesus Christ and the conviction of the Holy Spirit to be delivered. You too can have this, if you want it. If you don’t want it – then that of course is another story.

  5. Lee says:

    “I did not have such a transformative conversion either, then again my conversion was not drinking but other things that were much more involved. It took me over a year of working out my life with Jesus Christ and the conviction of the Holy Spirit to be delivered. You too can have this, if you want it. If you don’t want it – then that of course is another story.”

    Of course I do! its just knwoing the difference between living in it (sin) and falling in to it. Although like someone once said, sometimes going to all these charismatic churches and saying a sinners prayer can inoculate you from the true Gospel and deliverance. Most people go back into their lifestyle. When I first made a commitment when I was 16, all I could do was eat breath God’s word! I wanted to tell everyone who would hear me, and of course people laugh, but I loved it! then of course pride stepped and said I will never sin! lo and behold, look what happened! And I was never told Christians actually do sin, I just assumed the moment you got saved/born-again, you won’t ever sin! found out the hard way…

  6. Lee says:


    somethings wrong with the website! I am not able to see the comments roll up on the left!

  7. Burning Lamp says:

    I guess my pontificating didn’t get the point across – I was totally agreeing w/the article and meant to echo the concerns of the writer.

    I only mentioned the list of sins mentioned because they are merely the symptoms of not walking w/the Lord and living to please him. A teetotaler can be mean and selfish and even prideful in not being drawn into that particular sin. I have never understood Christians who continue to puff away on their coffin nails and pollute their own lungs and those of others and sing the loudest in a worship service. But then I look at myself and see my inner attitudes are not right.

    I did not mean to disagree with anything the author said. It certainly needed to be said and I salute this brother for having the courage to issue this admonition.

  8. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    >> I am not able to see the comments roll up on the left!

    Yes I know, me too HAHA.

    I am upgrading the software and something horrible has gone wrong. I am working on fixing the problem.

    Edited: Ok, it would appear my upgrade has permanently messed up the scrolling comments :( So plan B, go find another one that WORKS.

  9. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Nooooo problem, I get ya :)

  10. Lee says:

    “am upgrading the software and something horrible has gone wrong. I am working on fixing the problem.” Ohhhh i see! i was about to say…I thought something had happened from my end lol

    “Ok, it would appear my upgrade has permanently messed up the scrolling comments :( So plan B, go find another one that WORKS.”

    oh dear….hope you can get it back lol this is why I’m not good at IT and computers! lol

  11. John says:

    Hi Debs: Whatever you did to the scroll column, it works very well !

  12. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    >> this is why I’m not good at IT and computers! lol

    Takes a special kinda person to do IT, lotsa patience because as expected nothing ever works the first time, or the second time, or the third time lol.

  13. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    It’s cool eh? :) I had to edit quite a lot of the Java script to get it to work just the way I wanted it too, so I am well pleased. Let’s just hope that nothing else I do on this website today breaks anything else – the proverbial ripple effect.

  14. Michael says:

    This article is good because it challenges those Christians that are compromising their testimony…this is very damaging to the witness.We have a responsibility to others not only ourselves.It certainly challenged me.
    My only critisism is that pride,greed,selfishness and unforgiveness and sins of disposition are common in us all…most difficult to discern at times because pride and conceitedness block the truth.That’s why the prosperity gospel is not only error but it feeds pride,vanity,egos and is self-cented.
    The real fruit of the spirit is to recognise sin in your life and ask God to help you overcome it. Ask God to search deeply in your heart and be honest with the result.
    This article challenges Christians to change their lifestyles and this is badly needed…yes we do not want to be like the virgins at the wedding feast that were negligent to have enough oil for their lamps.
    Great article Debs…I have forwarded on to some of my charismatic friends and to those I love and care about…even unbelievers and I pray that God the Holy Spirit will use it.Many thanks.

  15. Sibusiso Cele says:

    Good people,if there’s any one who can explain to me the rapture belief I would be happy to know it.I wish I can know it biblical.Thanks.

  16. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Please read the following articles:

    That should keep you occupied for a while :)

  17. Hester says:

    Good Morning Deborah

    As you know I am a new kid on the blog (block). I just want to say a quick thank you. I have been reading flat out for the past week and suddenly I realised how I have been indoctrinated in the church, as previously i would get these ‘beautiful’ emails that have seemingly ‘beautiful’ prayers and when i got one yesterday, all the garbage in it sprung out – (sorry i just checked i deleted it), wanted to give you an example but anyway, thank you, it is like my conscience confirms it in the Holy spirit -testing whatever is said to the Word – not just eating it up for soetkoek you know. Rom 12:2 is now even more a reality. Thank you – keep on keeping on.

  18. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    You are right, you see when the Holy Spirit shows us the TRUTH as to what we are really reading/dealing with out there in the world and have been indoctrinated to believe, when it comes along again we get the shock of our lives because all of a sudden it now makes complete sense – in the sense that it’s ugly head now shows itself up instead of just sounding all sweet.

    I pray that as more time goes by, the Holy Spirit will open your eyes wider and wider to the Truth of His Word and all the puzzle pieces will start to fall into place. There is so much out there, so much deception, in so many different forms, it’s frightening.
    I thank Jesus that He sent you to this blog and that you listened to Him :) Yippeeeee! You keep on listening to HIM and HIM only :)

  19. Burning Lamp says:

    That maakes it all worthwhile, eh Debs?

  20. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Absolutely!!! :))))

  21. Jemfishy says:


    >> “That makes it all worthwhile”

    Yes, it sure does, and we thank you Heavenly Father for giving us Jesus Christ your precious Son and the Holy Spirit, for without Them, we would be eternally lost.

  22. Robbie says:

    … and heaven rejoices!

  23. Zelda says:

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    “I only mentioned the list of sins mentioned because they are merely the symptoms of not walking w/the Lord and living to please him. A teetotaler can be mean and selfish and even prideful in not being drawn into that particular sin. I have never understood Christians who continue to puff away on their coffin nails and pollute their own lungs and those of others and sing the loudest in a worship service. But then I look at myself and see my inner attitudes are not right.”

    I am having an immense struggle with this. Somewhere Dave Hunt wrote that “conviction” was the opposite of “tolerance” and that Christians don’t have conviction anymore ( would I die for a specific doctrine I adhere to? ) This makes the postmodernist definition of tolerance equal to compromise? I am a quiet, reserved person and when I don’t speak up I feel like a compromising wimp. My husband holds strong convictions and is quite verbal ( especially when it comes to alcohol in the church) and sometimes tends to sound harsh and offensive. Having grown up in a strong Calvinistic home, I am particularly allergic to waving fingers of admonition laying down the ” Christian way of doing things” … but how do you live a loving Christian example without offending other Christians who cause you to asphixiate at the church door after the service? (they should know beter!) When you speak about alcohol everyone gets up on their rear legs. Its so socialy acceptable nowadays people seem to be blind to the evil of it. God called us to be Holy and apart from the world. But fellows Christians need a wakeup call! And how do I have conviction without seeming prideful and selfish and mean like the teetotaller I am !

  24. Burning Lamp says:

    Zelda my dear, as I stated before, these “outward” sins are a symptom of something spiritually amiss. Your husband’s approach will not be effective in this type of atmosphere especially or really anywhere. The Word exhorts us to be gentle in our dealings with others. It only makes him look self-righteous, alienates the offenders and puts them on the defense. Don’t beat yourself up for not speaking up because the problem goes way beyond what you are seeing on the surface.

    I would suggest that you find another fellowship where you fit in or discuss this with your pastor. If he is not receptive or understanding of your position, perhaps it is time to seek out another place of worship. You are fighting a losing battle. The smokers obviously have no consideration for others or their own health or if they are Christians for the temple of the Holy Spirit. They are friends of the world as are the others who like to tip back a few.

    As for myself, I could not be a part of a church where I had to pass through a smoke screen to exit and cause me to breathe in toxic fumes.

    In any case, I hope your husband tones down his rhetoric and only comments when asked or the Lord has opened a door of opportunity. Remember that these are only symptomatic of spiritual problems, immaturity in the faith or possibly those who profess but don’t possess. Only God knows each person and the cause of their behavior.

    If you do decide to seek a new fellowship, it would be good to be cautious that you don’t end up in a legalistic situation as you alluded to in your childhood. Oftentimes you will find a group that doesn’t smoke, drink, etc. but they are filled with pride and abstain for the wrong reasons and have serious sins of the heart that are hidden.

    May the Lord guide you and your husband as you seek His will for your lives!

  25. Zelda says:

    Thanx BL. We are slowly but surely maturing in Christ! We have new fellowship since February ( not because of the smoking – those people are just rude and selfish ) we left because our church had a ” prayer service” on Ash Wednesday…followed by a 40 day biblestudy! And everyone was oh so innocent when I tantrummed. They also thought selling wine for churchfunds was okay?

    The legalistic situation I alluded to, is now almost 80 and still wags his finger – but we love him lots!

  26. duke says:

    [deleted – threatening me is not nice]

  27. duke says:

    Peace be with the reader.

    An open letter to all my friends.

    The faithful witness.

  28. Johann Meiring says:

    Hi Deborha, From your note here below, you seems to be an Eternal security or once saved always saved Christian. (DTW note: these are those who profess to be Christian but are not – they have a form of Godliness but deny God’s power].If so, it indicates one thing, that you are a one point Calvinist. Are you then any better than J MacArthur and his fellow Calvinist pastors. This puts a big, big question mark behind your name.

  29. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Johann Meiring

    Dude, firstly you question my stance on Pre-Trib and now this. Let me tell you, I am actually not a ‘once saved always saved’ believer. I used to be, but not anymore. I do believe you can lose your salvation. Being saved is conditional that you repent and live a holy life – it’s not unconditional. Having said that God is the one that knows each and every believers heart not you or me or anyone else – so someone can be in a state of despair (backslidden because they did not listen to the Holy Spirit and sinned) BUT they know they are now far removed from Jesus (Are they still saved? YES) because they are working their way back to the spiritual place they were before they sinned. I think it takes a lot of bad doings in a persons life and a total rejection of Jesus to lose ones salvation. Are there millions of these type of people who are currently losing their salvation? Yes, it’s called the Great Apostasy, people turning from sound doctrine to doctrine of demons – hence turning their backs on God and following after Satan. There are ALSO people which I refer to as nominal Christians, those who profess to be Christian but are not – they have a form of Godliness but deny God’s power. These are people who are Christian by name only, they act like Christians, they sound like Christians but they are far removed from being a genuine Christian.

    I’m getting a bit tired of your nasty comments because you don’t read properly. I have not yet approved your other long comment because I just got back online from a very long break of being very ill. I am reading close to 400 comments most of them are mean and nasty comments. It gets tiring reading hundreds of mean and nasty comments all day long.

  30. Marion says:

    I’m not sure why anyone needs to label themselves or anyone else “Calvinist” or “Arminian”. All such MAN-MADE labels are corrupt. We either believe what the Word of God says or not! And I mean the “whole counsel of God”, not the bits and pieces we line up under our “label” titles to “prove” our points.

  31. Burning Lamp says:

    Marion, in a perfect world it would be that way. But in order to expose false doctrine, one has to identify the false doctrine as it is commonly referred to.

    Example being Calvinist/Reformed doctrine and the tenets of that doctrine known as TULIP. Many people are being misled by this false doctrine and it is important to expose it and show that it is a lie from the pit.

    False doctrines have “labels” or names and what is wrong with referring to them in order to identify them?

    I think you miss the point.

  32. Johann Meiring says:

    Hello Deborha. What a reaction, must admit I did not expected it in this manner. I`ve got a saying that goes something like this, If you do not want to get run over by a car, do not cross the road. By this I only mean that you are opening yourself up for a comment, whether positive or negative better be ready for it. With a valuable website like this, please do not mess it up with a response like this. I can assure you that I am not trying to make fun of you or belittle you. I am only responding to your comment made in the midst of an excellent study on what I can only read as the perseverance of the saints. This is essential for professing Christians at a time like this where false teachings are in the order of the day. You could not wait to respond in a separate answer as you would normally have done. That made me wonder what your beliefs were with respect to OSAS. I am turning 62 this year and I have been lied to ever since regarding to Bible teaching and if I could be of help by any means, I will ask questions. My last question will be, is it normal to call a fellow brother/sister in Jesus a DUDE? Plse do not bother to answer me regarding the pre-trib, I am well known with the doctrine and have met Prof J Malan peronally and is also aquainted with his sister. I promise not to bother you again but will visit DTW from time to time if you don`t mind. Greetings Johann.

  33. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Johann Meiring

    >> What a reaction, must admit I did not expected it in this manner. I`ve got a saying that goes something like this, If you do not want to get run over by a car, do not cross the road.

    I’ve got a saying too. Genuine brothers/sisters in Christ do not push eachothers buttons i.e., look for trouble- because the Holy Spirit abiding in you KNOWS not to do such a thing. I find that all my opposition comes from people who differ immensely in their doctrine to what I believe.

    >> My last question will be, is it normal to call a fellow brother/sister in Jesus a DUDE?

    Yes, Dude :) *Surely at the age of 62 you have a sense of humour* Or would you prefer I call you Honerable Sir?

    Re PRETRIB: PS, Johan Malan has a book coming out soon that will in fact answer your QUIZZ question trying to catch me out – I spoke to him about you today in fact ;) He said you can read his book, that will answer your all your questions (and save me having to write pages and pages trying to explain PreTrib to you and the role of Israel in the end times).

    You are welcome here all you like.

  34. Marion says:

    Burning Lamp…I was not referring to doctrinal labels, but to people identifiers…there is a difference.

  35. To Johann Meiring

    Please read (and maybe study the scores of Scripture references in it) this sound article by David Cloud on the delicate and controversial subject of Eternal Security:



    Eternal security is the Bible confidence that every born again believer has perfect, complete, eternal salvation in Jesus Christ. As soon as a sinner receives Christ, he possesses full, unending salvation. To have Christ is to have a secure position before God (1 Jn. 5:10-13). Though the Bible does not use the term “security” to describe the believer’s relationship in Christ, it leaves no doubt that the child of God is eternally safe in Christ. Eternal security refers only to those who are born again through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. It does not refer to hypocrites or to those who are merely dabbling in the things of Christ. Those who permanently fall away have never been born again.


    1. Because of the terms used to describe salvation. “eternal life” (Jn. 3:16; 1 Jn. 5:11); “full assurance” (He. 6:11; Col. 2:2); “strong consolation” (He. 6:18); “hope … sure and stedfast” (He. 6:19).
    2. Because of what we are. All of the following are spoken of in the present tense; this is the present condition of each true believer (1) Forgiven (Ro. 4:7; 1 Jn. 2:12). (2) Justified (Ro. 5:1,9; Tit. 3:7). (3) Reconciled (Ro. 5:10). (4) Risen with Christ (Ro. 6:3-6; Col. 3:1,2). (5) A child of God forever (Ro. 8:15; Ga. 4:4-7; 1 Jn. 3:1). (6) Sanctified in Christ (1 Co. 1:2). (7) New creation (2 Co. 5:17). (8) Accepted in the beloved (Ep. 1:6). (9) Saved (Ep. 2:8,9; 2 Ti. 1:9). (10) Light in the Lord (Ep. 5:8). (11) Made fit for Heaven (Col. 1:12). (12) Complete in Him (Col. 2:10). (13) Citizens of Heaven (Ph. 3:20). (14) Children of light (1 Th. 5:5). (15) Elect (1 Pe. 1:2). (16) Born again (1 Pe. 1:2,23). (17) Sanctified once for all (He. 10:10). (18) Perfected forever (He. 10:14). (19) Passed from death unto life (1 Jn. 3:14).
    3. Because of where we are. (1) In God’s family (Ga. 3:26; 1 Jn. 3:2). (2) Brought near (Ep. 2:13). (3) In the heavenlies with Christ (Ep. 2:5-6). (4) Translated into the kingdom of His dear Son (Col. 1:13).
    4. Because of what we have. (1) Eternal life (Jn. 3:16). (2) Peace with God (Ro. 5:1). (3) An Intercessor in Heaven (Ro. 8:34). (4) All spiritual blessings (Ep. 1:3). (5) Forgiveness of sins (Ep. 1:7; Col. 1:14; 2:13). (6) Sealing of the Holy Spirit (Ep. 1:12-14). (7) Access to God (Ep. 2:18). (8) Everlasting consolation (2 Th. 2:16). (9) Eternal glory (2 Ti. 2:10). (10) Eternal redemption (He. 9:12). (11) Mercy (1 Pe. 2:10). (12) An Advocate with the Father (1 Jn. 2:1-2).
    5. Because of what is past. (1) Condemnation (Jn. 5:24). (2) The law of sin and death (Ro. 8:2). (3) Death and wrath (Col. 3:3; Ro. 6:11; 1 Th. 5:9). (4) Night and darkness (1 Th. 5:5).
    6. Because of our promises. (1) Never perish (Jn. 10:27-28). (2) Shall never die (Jn. 11:26). (3) The glory of God (Ro. 5:2). This speaks of Christ’s kingdom glory. (4) Shall be saved from wrath (Ro. 5:9). (5) Glorious liberty of the children of God (Ro. 8:21). (6) Redemption of the body (Ro. 8:23-24; Ph. 3:21). (7) Predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ (Ro. 8:28-29). (8) Cannot be separated from God’s love (Ro. 8:31-39). (9) God shall confirm you unto the end (1 Co. 1:8). (10) He that hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ (Ph. 1:6). (11) Shall appear with Christ in glory (Col. 3:3-4). (12) Delivered from the wrath to come (1 Th. 1:10). (13) Not appointed to wrath but to salvation (1 Th. 5:9). (14) Eternal inheritance (He. 9:15). (15) Incorruptible inheritance (1 Pe. 1:4).

    continue to read here:

  36. Robbie says:

    Johan wrote:
    >>>Hi Deborha, From your note here below, you seems to be an Eternal security or once saved always saved Christian.<<<

    After all the articles on here that opposes eternal security?

    Are you going to leave without apologising Mr. Meiring?

  37. Burning Lamp says:

    Marian, I am confused. People are identified by their doctrinal beliefs aren’t they?

    For instance Calvinist/Reformed = TULIP
    I am not familiar with “people identifiers.”

    I understand that it is not kosher to buttonhole people, but certain beliefs fit into categories – there may be overlapping, but beliefs usually fall into some sort of category.

  38. Marion says:

    I was referring Johann above, calling Deborah a one-point Calvinist.

  39. Burning Lamp says:

    Oh my Marian, I missed that. Probably because she believes in eternal security of TRUE believers, but the Calvinist version of Perservance of the Saints stems from a faulty belief that of course God CHOSE you so He is not going to UNCHOOSE you.

    Gottcha! Thanks for clarifying!!

  40. Dan says:

    Great article. It’s definitely for me. There’s just one thing I don’t understand: “There is only one prophecy to be fulfilled before the bride is taken up to be with the Lord. That prophecy is the sound of the “last trump.”

    Please explain to me?

  41. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    I don’t think it means one prophecy as in one and only 1 prophecy, there are many prophecies still to be fulfilled, however before the Rapture there is one prophecy that still needs to be fulfilled and that is the sound of the last trump. That is what Michael means.

  42. Dan says:

    In other words all the prophecies leading up to the Rapture has already been fulfilled. Does this refer to a sound similar to that of a trumpet that will be heard by all? That means everything’s in place for the Rapture to happen at any moment now. We’re just waiting for the sound of the trumpet?

  43. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    There are still a prophecie that need to be fulfilled, like the Gog and Magog war (Ezekiel: 38-39) God does a miracle and stops the war in it’s tracks.
    It could be after this, or before this that the Rapture could take place,
    Dan, it’s is soon, never the less. It could happen at any moment, I pray every day that it happens today!
    I do not know if the whole world will hear the trumpet sound, or only born again Christians.

  44. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    There is still a prophecy that need to be fulfilled, like the Gog and Magog war (Ezekiel: 38-39) God does a miracle and stops the war in it’s tracks.
    It could be after this, or before this that the Rapture could take place,
    Dan, it’s is soon, never the less. It could happen at any moment, I pray every day that it happens today!
    I do not know if the whole world will hear the trumpet sound, or only born again Christians.

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