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Beyonce: Lucifer possesses the Music Industry (Part 1)

Beyonce: Lucifer possesses the Music Industry (Part 1)

beyonceFor a few months I have been wanting to do an article on the Music Industry and the music they vomit out of America as it is played over and over and over again to your children as they sway their hips to the beat.  Kids love Beyonce, J-Zee, Rhianna, Lady Gaga, Black Eye Peas and Pink, etc.  They love their music.  Everyone watches their videos in awe of these super Pop idols who have it all.  What sounds like a lovely dance tune with lyrics that don’t make that much sense are in fact devellish songs skillfully prepared for an unsuspecting audience.

Thank you to The Vigilant Citizen for all their hard work in analysing these music artists and reporting the FACTS.
[Note:  DTW does not agree with all content on The VC website, so please use discernment at all times.]

Beyonce to Sasha Fierce: Symbolic Occult Rebirth

by The Vigilant Citizen

Along with her new album, Beyonce has presented her fans to a new alter-ego named Sasha Fierce. The singer affirms that this new persona is the fun, more sexual and more aggressive side of her. This is however the “general public” version of the story. The esoteric meaning revealed by the  symbols surrounding this new persona is much deeper: Sasha Fierce is a symbolic representation of an artist taken over by evil to obtain success.

“I have someone else that takes over when it’s time for me to work and when I’m on stage, this alter ego that I’ve created that kind of protects me and who I really am”. -Beyonce

Good Beyonce with cross

Evil Sasha Fierce mimicking devil horns

The theme of the album “I am…Sasha Fierce” revolves around the duality between the godly Beyonce and the evil Sasha Fierce. This spiritual duality is fought in the songs, the pictures and the videos. Notice on the above images the Christian cross of the good and pure Beyonce  versus Sasha Fierce who is mimicking devil horns with her hands. Songs like “Ave Maria” and “Halo” on her album contain obvious spiritual connotations and can be interpreted as either religious songs or odes to her satanic possessor. The persona of Sasha Fierce – who is presented as a separate entity- always wears heavy makeup on her eyes, if not sunglasses which represent her deceptive nature.

Before we get into an in depth analysis, let’s look at the main picture displayed at www.beyonceonline.com, which sums ups perfectly the purpose of this article.

Beyonce’s Baphomet vehicle

Baphomet – Sigil of Church of Satan

Baphomet’s head is the only part of the picture that is in color, which shows the importance of this symbol. Another head of Baphomet sits right on top of the first making things even more significant. Sasha’s “dress” is adorned with stylish rear-view mirrors and motorcycle handles, which makes Sasha Fierce the vehicle of Baphomet. This exact outfit was used for a George Michael video…someone, somewhere thought it would be a perfect fit for Sasha Fierce. In her interviews, Beyonce describes her performances as Sasha Fierce like an experience coming right out of The Exorcist.

“When I’m onstage I’m aggressive and strong and not afraid of my sexuality. The tone of my voice gets different, and I’m fearless. I’m just a different person.”

Another way to put this is that she has allowed herself to become possessed…

The Birth of Sasha Fierce

Sasha Fierce was born when I did ‘Crazy in Love.’ People, when they meet me, expect that all the time, but that person is strictly for the stage.”
–Beyonce, People Magazine, November 18th, 2008

Why did Beyonce say that? How can a character be born during a song like “Crazy in Love”, which doesn’t have anything to do with Sasha Fierce? The answer lies in the video.

The video tells the story of the birth of Sasha Fierce by depicting the steps towards Beyonce’s transformation. Through symbolic scenes, we first see Beyonce walking towards a speeding car (wih Jay-z in the backseat). The driver is the entity that already took over Jay-Z. Beyonce loosens up her hair to prepare herself and gets on a stage to begin initiation, symbolized by sexual dance moves. She then reaps the rewards of the selling of her soul with fame and fortune. Next, she is emulated by young girls who copy her dancing style. In the final scene, the good Beyonce gets literally blown up while sitting in the backseat of a car by Jay-Z – who calls himself “Young” in the song. As you know, Jay-Z isn’t young, but, in this song, he is considered “Young” after his recent rebirth on the dark side. After the explosion, Sasha Fierce magically appears next to Jay-Z, looking sexy yet devilish. In his verse, Jay-Z  refers to Beyonce as “Young B” because she was just reborn.

1- Beyonce goes up on a symbolic stage and mimics ritual sex for initiation

2- The flashes represent celebrity and success

3- Surrounded by girls who emulate her

4- Stuck in the backseat of a car

5- Explosion of the car, representing the death of the old Beyonce (who was still stuck in the backseat)

6- Sasha Fierce appears out of nowhere

The video of “Diva” uses the exact same allegory of the car exploding.

Video of  “Diva”

“Diva” starts with a shot of dummies in the trunk of a car who represent the ”dummies” that idolized and imitated Sasha Fierce.  Sasha Fierce is walking away, wearing glasses who are literally shades hiding her eyes, representing the fact that we are not dealing with Beyonce but a deceiver. After going into a warehouse to dance frenetically, act bitchy and sing about vain subjects like materialism, she comes out and lights the car on fire. The same way Jay-Z blew up the car in “Crazy in Love” (which killed the old Beyonce and gave birth to Sasha Fierce), she blows up the car filled with the mindless dummies who were seduced by her deceitful ways.

Why is Sasha Fierce Often Dressed Like a Robot?

Beyonce’s performance at the 2007 BET Awards carried heavy symbolism. Dressed in a robot suit, she wakes up after being electrically charged . Here’s the performance (you just need to watch the first couple of minutes).

This performance is inspired by a scene of the 1927 movie “Metropolis” where a female robot becomes alive.

The recreation of this scene from Metropolis is quite significant. The movie depicts a society divided between two rigid social classes, the  ”thinkers” and the “workers”, who can’t communicate with each other. Maria, a young female worker who has some influence among her exploited colleagues gets kidnapped by the ruling class. She is taken to the laboratory of a mad scientist who created a robot that could take her physical likeness. The scene above depicts the transformation of the robot into Maria, who will then be controlled by the scientist to incite revolt among the workers. The inverted pentagram behind the robot symbolises the initiation of Maria into the evil side. She is designed to bring out the worst in men, causing violence, lust, passion and corruption among them.  The robot is a devilish and sexually provocative version of Maria and ends up performing in a decadent nightclub of the metropolis. Her mesmerizing dance caused such excitement that it caused a widespread fight among the men present.

Satanic robot with inverted pentagram in the back

Beyonce’s stage performance at the 2007 BET awards

Is this why we chose to portray Beyonce as Maria from Metropolis? To use her physical likeness to propagate evil messages to the “working class”?

Good Beyonce vs disturbing looking Sasha Fierce

To Conclude

I’m pretty sure I’ll get messages from confused people, wondering why I “see evil” everywhere or something. Those people do not understand a couple of fundamental truths, who aren’t based on wild beliefs but on facts: Record companies like Columbia Records own the image of pop stars like Beyonce or Rihanna. These conglomerates are owned by a handful of powerful people who, more often than not, are initiated into occult secret societies.  They believe in the powers of the mind, channeling spirits, Black and White Magick, demon possession, sacred rituals and entities populating the ethereal spheres.  In other words, if you don’t believe in the spiritual realm, THEY DO. So the analysis here makes perfect sense to them and they know that the average Joe doesn’t think in those terms…mostly because he was educated since childhood to be blind to those things.

As in anything in life, esoteric teachings range from the sublimely good to the infernal evil. They can elevate your consciousness to a godly level or they make you a slave of malignant spirits. That being said, there appears to be a conscious effort to subject the population to negative imagery through the different outlets of mass media. Plato, the Greek philosopher believed that music had such far reaching effects on the hearts of men that popular songs should be carefully chosen:

“Music which ennobled the mind was of a far higher kind than that which merely appealed to the senses, and he strongly insisted that it was the paramount duty of the Legislature to suppress all music of an effeminate and lascivious character, and to encourage only that which was pure and dignified”
-Manly P. Hall, Secret Teachings of All Ages

If Plato, one of the brightest minds of the Western world believed that music played a vital part in the creation of a perfect nation, can you imagine the effects of negative messages on our modern society? Even if the general population only gets the first level of interpretation of songs or videos,  it is believed that the hidden meanings and symbols still affect the collective subconscious. The result is people leading vain existences, trying to fill the gaping void of their lives by continually satisfying their lowest impulses. In other words, lost souls that can be easily controlled and manipulated.

source:  http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=604

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70 comments to Beyonce: Lucifer possesses the Music Industry (Part 1)

  • Lee

    I never listen to these people….I have heard some of their music but not the recent ones. I never listen to the music becuase its awful anyway lol! I grew listening to other music artists more oriented to gospel/soul rather than these people!

  • Burning Lamp

    As bad as secular music is, and warnings need to be issued, but IMHO so-called Christian music rock groups are a greater trap. The “Acquire the Fire” leaven-filled events and Franklin Graham’s ecumenical Rock River concerts are quite frankly one of the best tools in Satan’s arsenal designed to captivate our Christian youth. It is downright scary because parents who realize the evil of secular music seek out alternatives for their children and often in the process cause them to stumble. Churches jump on the bandwagon and send their youth groups to these events to get all jazzed up and to provide an “exciting” event to make the Christian walk appealing. Tommyrot!!!

    We forget that Lucifer was the heavenly musician and this is his forte.

    Also, I would personally caution frequenting the site of Vigilant Citizen. They have a preoccupation with the occult and there does not appear to be any Christian connection.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    I did these articles because:

    1) I have received many requests to do them
    2) There are Christian parents out there with kids who listen to this type of music and the parent needs ammunition to show their kids what exactly their ‘favourite’ artists REALLY believe
    3) We can’t bury our heads in the sand because we are Christian – we need to know what’s going on out there
    4) I found this info shocking and very informative especially regarding Mind Control (mentioned in the other articles) and what the Music Industry is pushing onto the youth.

  • Lee

    BL, agreed! but i’ve never really listened to these ‘Christian’ music artists as far as rock goes. I grew up on soul/gospel sounding music which was safe for me…i.e. people like Whitney houston, Mariah Carey but even then these people are getting out of hand….im not really fused as long as I can make sense of the lyrics and see what they are really saying, otherwise i won’t listen to them!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    Whitney Houston too has joined the ‘enlightenment’ club. Her latest songs might sound ‘Christian’ but they are far from it.

  • Lee

    Debs I know!

    I have her latest album and that sounds good but it has all these catch phrases in it! its a shame really. i have a gospel song she did 20+ years ago that definitely was not enlightenment lool. times have changed. everyones gone done that road now. better to just leave industry really.

  • Burning Lamp

    Lee, trust me, even if you can understand the lyrics, it is best to investigate the beliefs of the artist. I don’t want to support anyone who is ecumenical or watered-down. I want to know who and what they support – this tells me their agenda. It is called “digging deeper”. Granted, no one is perfect, but if the artist endorses a heretic, then I can’t be blessed by their music.

  • Burning Lamp

    Thank you Debs for taking on this topic. I have a feeling you will be moving on to the “Christian” artists.

    You are right, we don’t realize just how wicked what is being offered to young people these days. It is becoming more and more blatant and the enemy is pulling out the stops to latch onto the young. Parents need to be informed. Too often the kids are left to their own devices especially if they aren’t into drugs, etc. It is tough to be a GOOD parent these days – never has been easy, but much more difficult in these last of the last days.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    This might come as a shock to you but I don’t listen to music (well not if I can help it anyhow). Music had a great influence on me when I was younger and now I just reject the whole lotta them. So what sits on my iPod you wonder? errr… I don’t have one lol.

    The Black Eyed Peas played at the opening ceremony to the FIFA Soccer World Cup games 2010 here in South Africa and I could but help not wonder who their contacts were…. seeing that they are actually FREEMASONS it now makes sense that they teamed up with FIFA (Elite organisation).

  • Lee

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    “Lee, trust me, even if you can understand the lyrics, it is best to investigate the beliefs of the artist. I don’t want to support anyone who is ecumenical or watered-down. I want to know who and what they support – this tells me their agenda. It is called “digging deeper”. Granted, no one is perfect, but if the artist endorses a heretic, then I can’t be blessed by their music.”

    BL Oh no don’t get me wrong lol, i always research the song and artist’s background to see where they came from whether secular or mainstream, and plus i am quite biased about who I listen to.

    I’m not like other young people, trust me, i don’t just go buy the latest album by beyonce/rihanna e.t.c. in fact i don’t even have one. my relatives and friends do but not me. plus anyones i have of hers are the older albums from 10 years ago or so, but its all around me, nothing i can do about it, i can only be responsible for me really!

  • Lee

    “Burning Lamp wrote:

    Thank you Debs for taking on this topic. I have a feeling you will be moving on to the “Christian” artists.
    You are right, we don’t realize just how wicked what is being offered to young people these days. It is becoming more and more blatant and the enemy is pulling out the stops to latch onto the young. Parents need to be informed. Too often the kids are left to their own devices especially if they aren’t into drugs, etc. It is tough to be a GOOD parent these days – never has been easy, but much more difficult in these last of the last days.

    True. it is harder these days to parent. 20 years ago things weren’t that bad, depending on who you were listening too! i listened to R n B but it wasnt like this! for me, because of my family and cultre and background (as a black person) i was geared more to the soul/blues oriented sound as opposed to anything else. then there were some Christian artists that sang and they were good. it all depends really. just be selective. next thing you know we’ll have to make our own music because everyone out there is wayward LOOL!

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    This might come as a shock to you but I don’t listen to music (well not if I can help it anyhow). Music had a great influence on me when I was younger and now I just reject the whole lotta them. So what sits on my iPod you wonder? errr… I don’t have one lol.
    The Black Eyed Peas played at the opening ceremony to the FIFA Soccer World Cup games 2010 here in South Africa and I could but help not wonder who their contacts were…. seeing that they are actually FREEMASONS it now makes sense that they teamed up with FIFA (Elite organisation).

    haha Debs i’m not shocked there tbh lool ;) i kinda knew you were gonna say that. But see i have never been big on music, just what I have always known was safe and thats what I can vouch for.

    I don’t have an ipod either like other young people (full of 10,000 songs no doubt), Im too old school, just an MP3, but what I do have on there is Mariah Carey, Luther Vandross, Whitney Houston, but all the songs I have are all selective. they aren’t neccessarily Chrisitan littered but they’re just inspirational songs. Google them and you’ll find what i mean…like endless love, Hero e.t.c. those are the songs I grew up with and thats what I liked as a child. I don’t think i’m like other young people. I’m not crazy on the latest fad. I like music, nothing wrong there so long as you can identify the making of it and what it means. I play the piano so I was classically trained to musicians like Beethoven, Scott Joplin. I am into my music though ;)

    If you wanna ask me questions as to why e.t.c. just ask me because I do deal with music directly, since I have to with my culture of young people around me and what they do. I know what goes on with them and why they are so pulled in by Beyonce and Rihanna. I do a course in film and have a radio show so i end up having to play the music! ita all around me im a afriad

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    Maybe you should send these articles to your relatives ;)

  • Lee

    thanks Debs! :)

    My friends and some relatives know about all this already, for some reason, most just choose to listen to these artists even though they’re aware of their dangers.

    I certainly knew about this even before you put it up. no surprise there. I just choose my music carefully. thats all one should be doing really…making sure it glorifies God and thinking, what would Jesus think to the music listened to?

  • Burning Lamp

    Lee, when I am in the car is the only time I listen to music and that station only plays the golden oldies. I don’t even know the latest artists – I see how people worship the late Michael Jackson like a god – this is just sick. Of course in my day we had Elvis and the Beatles.

    I like the worship music in our church for the most part as our pastor is conservative and mixes old hymns with the newer songs. But there are a few that I simply won’t sing as I think they are not appropriate. Also, sometimes the words are repeated ad infinitum and almost become a mantra.

    Lee, I agree with Deborah, that you have the truth and you have a responsiblity to share that truth with those God puts in your path. And as far as the old Beyonce records, IMHO you should pitch those because she has made a bad turn. I have had Christian books in my library by people who used to be solid, but when they turned to moosh, I got rid of their books. We have to avoid the appearance of evil if we truly sell out fot for the Lord.

  • Burning Lamp

    Lee, your relatives who know the truth probably don’t realize they are playing with fire. Are they true born-again believers? If so, they need to be encouraged as you said to be sure what they listen to glorifies the Lord and does not have occultic overtones or undertones. Yes, you are leading by example, but often it calls for more. Let the Lord guide you and be open to opportunities to share and yes, alert and warn. This is the kind thing to do. God bless you!

  • Lee

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    Lee, when I am in the car is the only time I listen to music and that station only plays the golden oldies. I don’t even know the latest artists – I see how people worship the late Michael Jackson like a god – this is just sick. Of course in my day we had Elvis and the Beatles.
    I like the worship music in our church for the most part as our pastor is conservative and mixes old hymns with the newer songs. But there are a few that I simply won’t sing as I think they are not appropriate. Also, sometimes the words are repeated ad infinitum and almost become a mantra.
    Lee, I agree with Deborah, that you have the truth and you have a responsiblity to share that truth with those God puts in your path. And as far as the old Beyonce records, IMHO you should pitch those because she has made a bad turn. I have had Christian books in my library by people who used to be solid, but when they turned to moosh, I got rid of their books. We have to avoid the appearance of evil if we truly sell out fot for the Lord.

    yeah i never really fancied the whole Michael Jackson thing — it is sad really! everyone I know was into him but me, I could not be the same.

    Yeah people know BL, theres no point me going round the block with them, my friends know very well what they’re doing, they themselves know better than me tbh ;)! and I personally don’t have these records. Elvis, Beatles? naaaa not my thing. I was pretty much sequested to music. only what I grew up on.
    like I said, one has to ask themselves in conscience, do you think God will be okay with you listening to a certain song? and if it is ‘apparently’ Christian? do you mean to sing it from your heart or is it just a play not to be secular?

    Let me be honest, I have more secular music than I ever will ‘Christian’ for two reasons. number 1) I do NOT know any Christian artists, and 2) like I said before, I grew up on the music I listen to.

    case in point, the classical ballad is what I like because it resonates, I think, with life, human experience, and so (I think) theres nothing really evil there per se, but could do with mentioning Jesus and God.

    I mean you get the odd Christian artist singing e.t.c. and next minute theres a scandal about them that contradicts what they just sang about!

  • Lee

    I hope im not stepping on your toes BL loool ahah ;)!

    Just try understand what I mean in terms of music. you judge each artist and song by their content. I like music, again like other things, they should be put respectfully in their rightful place, subordinate to our commitment and worship of God but at the same time not above it. That then becomes idolatry. No matter who your listening to – whether ‘Christian’ or otherwise.

    I’ll give you an example of a secular song that I like – and remember, my peers my age (19,20) are MUCH worse than this! lool –

    theres a song (if you youtube it) called ‘I am Free’ and ‘One Sweet Day’ by Mariah Carey which i practically grew up listening to. There is no way if I heard that song, I can just switch off for a number of reasons. One being that that was my song I heard and played when my aunty passed away with cancer in 1996! if I listen to any song, it has a significance for me. I don’t just listen to any odd thing!

  • In His Grip

    I have long been aware of the perils of secular music but I was truly shocked by what is happening on the so-called ‘Christian’ music scene. Take Michael W Smith for example. He started a ‘Christian’ youth centre and skatepark in Nashville that frequently hosts secular death metal bands (Smith is still in the Board of Directors). If you go onto the Rocketown website you can check out some of the acts that are playing (under the Events tab). But be warned. It’s not pretty. On March 16th kids can go and watch ‘Ringworm’ whose very disturbing poster features a pentagram inside the occult triangle and circle above some sort of goat witch creature. Or how about Black Veil Brides on April 27th? Just plain creepy! Broken Omen, False Prophet, Modernhell, Sleeping With Sirens…these are just a few of the acts that are playing in 2011. You might think that Alpha & Omega (playing on April 4th) is a Christian band but you’d be wrong. Click onto their MySpace page and kids can sample their album ‘Devil’s Bed’ which has a picture of the grim reaper on the front. But all of that is tame compared to some of the stuff I have seen on the Rocketown site in the past. This has been going on for ages and nobody seems to care. The kids can link onto all the bands’ MySpace pages directly and these frequently feature content that is downright dark and dirty. That includes blood and gore, satanic imagery, anti-christian messaging, coarse language and even pornography in some cases. All this on a ‘Christian’ website aimed at the youth. God help us!

    I feel so sorry for these kids. Imagine going to a ‘Bible Study’ and then following that up with a heavy metal concert. It’s so twisted. And the parents probably have no idea what’s going on. I read somewhere that the official Rocketown argument on this is that showcasing hardcore secular bands is necessary because it draws in the crowds. Then once the kids have been lured in they can then be preached to… supposedly. But those objecting to what’s happening at Rocketown don’t buy that cover story for a second.

    According to their website ‘Rocketown shares Christ’s love with youth through creative programs and mentoring relationships that are culturally relevant and eternally significant.’ Really? How exactly does showcasing bands that slate Christianity enable Rocketown to ‘share Christ’s love’? The Word instructs us to ‘have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness but rather expose them…’ Instead Rocketown is peddling darkness to impressionable children in order to bring them into the light?!! That’s just crazy! The whole thing is deeply unsettling.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    In His Grip

    My word! You see we here in SA don’t have anything like this. Yip we are catching up fast but I had no idea it had gotten to the point as you have described. I will do an article asap.

  • heber

    Hi
    check out http://www.exministries.com
    This pastor done some expository videos
    on hip-hop and some of the other genres as well.

  • Lee

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    Lee, your relatives who know the truth probably don’t realize they are playing with fire. Are they true born-again believers? If so, they need to be encouraged as you said to be sure what they listen to glorifies the Lord and does not have occultic overtones or undertones. Yes, you are leading by example, but often it calls for more. Let the Lord guide you and be open to opportunities to share and yes, alert and warn. This is the kind thing to do. God bless you!

    i agree with you BL! Absolutely right! sometimes it can be hard for obvious reasons but still true. as someone who studies film and the media, I often am and have to be subjected to hearing those songs. I had a radio show last year and used to play Jay-Z and Alicia Keys (who looks like shes going down that road also), and one of the lyrics was something like ‘Jesus can’t save you…’ which I used to always cringe when I heard that line…it happens…but good to be aware.

    As an aside, It just occured to me that all this ‘save the music’ foundation and music brings people together could also be used as a tool to introduce the antichrist since music is a form of communication that speaks to the masses.

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    In His Grip
    My word! You see we here in SA don’t have anything like this. Yip we are catching up fast but I had no idea it had gotten to the point as you have described. I will do an article asap.

    Oh dont be surprised Debs. u really should get over here and understand what is REALLY happening lol. This is why I’m not justifying that it is good to listen to these music and artists, but when you live in the western world such as America/England and it can become part of your job e.t.c. it does become hard sometimes, its probably easy for you to not have music, but see I have to deal with it and use it part of my studies and possibly as a part of my career. its the culture of today thats really bad anyway. don’t worry, I won’t be listening to Beyonce, shes never really been my type of music artists anyhow lool

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    I knew of the Christian metal bands used to so called lure people to Christianity but I have never seen a mixture of secular and Christian together with the excuse that it brings in the crowds and then they get ministered too. Wow. That is indeed a new one.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    Can I tell you something when you get you life back on track with Jesus, everything you have just said now will mean nothing… even that silly Mariah Carey song will mean nothing because Jesus replaces everything that is worldly. I can tell by your comments that you are very much stuck on music and that it affects your life quite a bit. And you chose a (worldy) job that involves you having to deal with all sorts of evil music that you play to the public. I dunno what you gonna do Lee, but I can tell you now that music is what has a grip on your life and your soul. You make excuses that other people listen to music that is much worse than you – that’s not the point, it’s not about who’s worse off than who. It’s about you and what you are addicted to and what spirit has control in your life.

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    Can I tell you something when you get you life back on track with Jesus, everything you have just said now will mean nothing… even that silly Mariah Carey song will mean nothing because Jesus replaces everything that is worldly. I can tell by your comments that you are very much stuck on music and that it affects your life quite a bit. And you chose a (worldy) job that involves you having to deal with all sorts of evil music that you play to the public. I dunno what you gonna do Lee, but I can tell you now that music is what has a grip on your life and your soul. You make excuses that other people listen to music that is much worse than you – that’s not the point, it’s not about who’s worse off than who. It’s about you and what you are addicted to and what spirit has control in your life.

    Debs, I am trying to get my life back on track, everytime I make an attempt to repent, I fall back into my sin. no im not stuck on music, its just the topic we’re on thats why im talking about it in great deal. there’s nothing wrong with music, just the music that is listened to. I choose the course I do because I do enjoy it (apart from certain parts which are wordly) but look, I have to deal with this stuff Deborah, if you were me living in england as a 20yr old, you will know what I mean. your right, I shouldn’t be making excuses, and im not, I’m just merely saying the music I do listen to. I’m pretty sure music does not have a control over my life, i mean, I know my own sins, yes the music e.t.c. may be silly, but I know the main problem and it isn’t to do with music.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    I know exactly what it’s like living in the UK Lee, and I know what it’s like being a 20 year old. The reason I said what I said is because on more than one occasion you have said that you struggle to change your ways because of the culture etc. You will be surprised how much music plays a big part in people’s lives and most people don’t even know it.

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    I know exactly what it’s like living in the UK Lee, and I know what it’s like being a 20 year old. The reason I said what I said is because on more than one occasion you have said that you struggle to change your ways because of the culture etc. You will be surprised how much music plays a big part in people’s lives and most people don’t even know it.

    oh ok I see! yes that is right! and it can simply be peer pressure. when you have family or friends for example, who don’t understand whats happening, it makes it the more difficult. because you got no one to turn to. thats why I say what I say, YES, culture cannot control me if I separate myself to Jesus but im talking more in terms of walking out the Christian life with the grace being given.

    i’ll give you an example, when I was walking with Christ, I was told to tone down my preaching in college and everyone and I MEAN EVERYONE was singing the same tune. you tell me how hard its not to cave in sometimes but that does not stop me from belieiving any less in Jesus because I do, I just want to show it! and thats the difference.

  • Lee

    [FIXED THE TYPO FOR YOU]

  • In His Grip

    Debs,

    If you do decide to do an article on Rocketown it might be worth investigating Michael W Smith himself. He has long been the darling of the gospel music scene yet his album covers are riddled with occult/masonic symbolism. There is info on that on the web. You can email me if you like and I can direct you to a site that contains that material. I don’t want to post that link here because it includes a lot of other content that I don’t agree with.

    I remember when Smith came to SA last year (or the year before last) and Joy magazine put him on the front cover (creepy photo) and wrote a glowing article about him. Back then I had just found out that there is more to Michael W Smith than meets the eye (of Horus!) It was awful to watch so many people rushing off to hear him in concert.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    In His Grip

    Yes I do remember that. It was fully sold out and stuff. I will email you shortly. Thanks

  • Michael

    Here’s something to see…google Rappin Granma Jan Painter…what next…if it was not so sad it would be funny. It’s a bit outdated as far as the youth are concerned as rap has now been replaced with a new style of music that is equally bad and tasteless but afterall she is a grandma. I think Deb’s will find this amusing. I once heard this “prophetess” many years ago…she appeared with Kim Clement and Drummond Thom at the Pinetown Christian Centre that day and singled me out and prophetised over me…not a single word ever came true…I know better today.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Michael

    I hate it when they single you out eh…nothing more irritating than that ;) I will google when I get a chance. I am using my 3G card cos I ain’t got no phone line anymore…I’m waiting for telkom to install one which according to them could take 6 months. So bandwidth is expensive at the mo for me… so I’m selective as to what I watch and or listen too.

  • Burning Lamp

    IHG, you ae SO right about M.W. Smith. He touts Brennan Manning and every flaky things that comes along – he is ecumenical to the hilt. Amy Grant is another one who is Christianity lite. Christian music for most is not a ministry, it is a business and if you run a business and want people to buy your product you have to please the masses and that calls for compromise.

  • Burning Lamp

    Lee, I hope you are still with us because I want to exhort you to holiness. To be holy is to be separated from all that is evil or unclean. If our occupations cause us to be unholy, we must trust the Lord to provide us a new way to make a living and come out from it.

    We are exhorted to be holy in practice becaue He Who has calle us is holy (1 Peter 1:15) While standards of holiness have differed in various dispensations, according to light given by God to His people, in every age the redeemed os the Lord have been called to walk as a people sanctified (set apart) to Him to whom they belonged and who had idnentifed Himself with them. The verse says “for I am holy” – we will never be as holy as God is, or as Christ was as Man here on earth until we are made fully like Him, but we are to honor Him to the best of our ability and yield ourselves and our lives to Him. We will be held accountable for the way we live our lives – our lives are given to us as a stewardship issue – we are to be living sacrifices to Him. We can’t do that when we allow unholy practices in our lives. Kyle, I pray you will be obedient to the Lord and trust Him to supply you through an honorable occupation. You cannot serve two masters – you must love the one and hate the other.

  • Lee

    “Lee, I hope you are still with us because I want to exhort you to holiness. To be holy is to be separated from all that is evil or unclean. If our occupations cause us to be unholy, we must trust the Lord to provide us a new way to make a living and come out from it.”

    Yes BL I’m still here :) Debs has just scolded me again with love and truth, but yes I’m here. I have to realise myself how much I need Christ and then, and ONLY then, will all else follow. So easy is it to fall and backslide and become numb to the truth you once so clung onto for dear life, its almost unbelievable im in this position. 6 years ago, I thought “I could never fall into sin” “…im so anointed of God and everyone around me is lost blah blah blah” I don’t DARE ever sing that tune again…but see, thats what WoF does, they make you think your perfect and everyone who has problems around you are on thier way to hell, when in reality thats pride coming through. Ne

  • Lee

    Deborah

    how do I upload a pic and link it to a site. for example facebook, I wanna change the avatar pic its hideous!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    Go to Gravatar.com and upload a pic there and link it to your email address, then when you blog anywhere and you use this email address your uploaded pic with show up.

  • Burning Lamp

    Lee, hang in there with us – we are not casting stones, just trying to throw out a lifeline to you to get out of the pit you have backslid into. Yes, Debs speaks truth and we both have taken on the task of reaching out.

    You are right in your assessment of the WofF rubbish – it is a delusion and when one comes out of it, it must be akin to skydiving without a parachute. People crash and burn and their faith is shipwrecked. But God is faithful and He has promised to never leave you or forsake you.

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    Go to Gravatar.com and upload a pic there and link it to your email address, then when you blog anywhere and you use this email address your uploaded pic with show up.

    great! thanks for that Debs!

  • Lee

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    Lee, hang in there with us – we are not casting stones, just trying to throw out a lifeline to you to get out of the pit you have backslid into. Yes, Debs speaks truth and we both have taken on the task of reaching out.
    You are right in your assessment of the WofF rubbish – it is a delusion and when one comes out of it, it must be akin to skydiving without a parachute. People crash and burn and their faith is shipwrecked. But God is faithful and He has promised to never leave you or forsake you.

    Thanks BL! I appreciate you and Debs help! I was just reading (again) J.C Ryle’s ‘Thoughts for Young Men’ which I always found encouraging and convicting.

    I’ve been meaning to, for like 2 years running, get books by the old-timers. They really knew how to LIVE out the Word properly. their advice and experiential walk of the Christian life is interesting. Books by A.W Tozer, R.C Sproul, Leonard Ravenhill, Charles Swindoll, Spurgeon, John Bunyon. Can’t be reading books by modern day peeps cos they’re no good!

    erghhhhh Wof! Let me tell you, do you know when I was in there I used to COMMAND GOD ! I would pray for people and say something like’….I take authority and command you Lord in Jesus name, heal this person NOW!’ LOOL

    even then, after doing that, I would go back and think, can I really command God?!

    How stupid I was…

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    Go to Gravatar.com and upload a pic there and link it to your email address, then when you blog anywhere and you use this email address your uploaded pic with show up.

    ooh can I not link it to facebook instead of a blog? since I don’t have one

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    Hmmm I don’t use facebook so I dunno how it works. Surely you can upload a pic in facebook?

  • Michael

    Debs you are going the right way…people who want the truth and the tough way to live for Jesus will recognise the authenticity of this site…the ironical version is those that have been indoctrinated with a false conversions will oppose you …keep on going sister…we need real Christians like you…we need big courage and strength in world that is anti-christ.

  • Burning Lamp

    I don’t use Facebook and don’t recommend it because they mine your information and if you want to close your account it is next to impossible I am told.

    As to the gravatar, my understanding is that it is only for an ID when blogging. Facebook is to show your picture or another graphic, but don’t think you can use a gravatar.

  • Burning Lamp

    Lee said: Books by A.W Tozer, R.C Sproul, Leonard Ravenhill, Charles Swindoll, Spurgeon, John Bunyon. Can’t be reading books by modern day peeps cos they’re no good!

    You are definitely on the right track! However, I would stay away from Swindoll as he has gone off the track. Also Sproul as he is a 5 point Calvinist. I stay with the “dead guys” and my fav is H.A. Ironside. His commentaries are GREAT and I like to go through a book of the Bible in studying rather than skipping around.
    You have to look online for his books but they are well worth having. I like his simplicity and clarity. He just happens to be my personal favorite.

    You are SO right – “Christian” bookstores are a mine field – I rarely go there for books and do my shopping online.

    May you have a blessed day as you seek the Lord with all your heart. Remember it is a spiritual battle and the enemy will try to discourage you. Let us know how you are doing and we will do our best to give a good word – I know Debs looks at this site as a ministry.

    Take care and God bless!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thank you Michael!!!!!

  • Lee

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    I don’t use Facebook and don’t recommend it because they mine your information and if you want to close your account it is next to impossible I am told.
    As to the gravatar, my understanding is that it is only for an ID when blogging. Facebook is to show your picture or another graphic, but don’t think you can use a gravatar.

    I know! I don’t really like facebook either. I was kinda forced into getting it since thats how I receive messages and communicate for work, friends e.t.c. so I do need it! I was thinking of closing it but now that you’ve told me lool might as well delete things one by one.

  • Lee

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    Lee said: Books by A.W Tozer, R.C Sproul, Leonard Ravenhill, Charles Swindoll, Spurgeon, John Bunyon. Can’t be reading books by modern day peeps cos they’re no good!
    You are definitely on the right track! However, I would stay away from Swindoll as he has gone off the track. Also Sproul as he is a 5 point Calvinist. I stay with the “dead guys” and my fav is H.A. Ironside. His commentaries are GREAT and I like to go through a book of the Bible in studying rather than skipping around.
    You have to look online for his books but they are well worth having. I like his simplicity and clarity. He just happens to be my personal favorite.
    You are SO right – “Christian” bookstores are a mine field – I rarely go there for books and do my shopping online.
    May you have a blessed day as you seek the Lord with all your heart. Remember it is a spiritual battle and the enemy will try to discourage you. Let us know how you are doing and we will do our best to give a good word – I know Debs looks at this site as a ministry.
    Take care and God bless!

    Yep! the old guys are great! Oh really Swindoll is off track? theres just one book of his called “Grace Awakening” which I read was good if your coming out of legalistic church system. thats all really! otherwise I’ll just get the others like A.W Tozer wrote a book called ‘Tozer speaks to students’ which is great for me since I am one! Oh I won’t forget Martin Lloyd Jones also!
    thanks BL for the encouragement. suppose I Have to make headways somehow ehh ;)

  • Love

    Hi, I have done research on the entertainment industry for years. Don’t be fooled people. There are Christian artist who is placed in the industry to send you mixed messages. They are secular, brainwashing you, and most of all they are lluminai puppets. Just because they are Christisn artists don’t mean they are innocent. Just like those false prophets.
    Use discernment, seek God, and like a pastor said, most music are from the devil himself, it’s his tool!
    Look up Trip Lee, and Lacrae, Christian artists who pretends to rap for God but they a totally sell outs or have been placed their by someone who want to confuse the Christian community.
    As more than ever before we need to stick together, get away from entertainment, get away from these demonic movies in the theatre that’s meant to brainwash you, control you and desensitize yo. Dig into the world of God and get it together. Jesus is coming soon!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Love

    I am trying to do an article on the Christian scene and boy the more I read the more scared I get. Can you email me any info you have please?

  • God's Business

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    As bad as secular music is, and warnings need to be issued, but IMHO so-called Christian music rock groups are a greater trap. The “Acquire the Fire” leaven-filled events and Franklin Graham’s ecumenical Rock River concerts are quite frankly one of the best tools in Satan’s arsenal designed to captivate our Christian youth. It is downright scary because parents who realize the evil of secular music seek out alternatives for their children and often in the process cause them to stumble. Churches jump on the bandwagon and send their youth groups to these events to get all jazzed up and to provide an “exciting” event to make the Christian walk appealing. Tommyrot!!!
    We forget that Lucifer was the heavenly musician and this is his forte.
    Also, I would personally caution frequenting the site of Vigilant Citizen. They have a preoccupation with the occult and there does not appear to be any Christian connection.

    “christian music” that are truly a traps …are not christian at all, they never were ….. Any music of that type is simply an infiltratrion by lucifer….but please dont term that type of music ….”christian music”

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    God’s business

    I agree with you, BL called it Christian music because that’s what everyone else calls it and she was saying that Christians music is a trap and Christian rock music is an even GREAT trap.

    Christian music glories man, not God. It makes man happy to listen to the music, it alters mans emotions, not Gods. Just because they use the name of God or Jesus (very rarely) does not mean it’s Christian anyhow.

  • Burning Lamp

    God’s Business:

    Hello!!!
    I called it “SO-CALLED Christian music”. How much clearer can that be? That means that people CALL it that but it is only by THEIR definition. I went on to expose the “so-called Christian music.”

    Thanks Debs for the answer you gave.

  • Michael

    I do not listen these days to so-called Christian music but if it has any similarity to secular then it is way off-line…modern pop or whatever they want to call it is downright tasteless and vulgar with words that are not even suggestive but are diect porn…so any similarity obviously has it’s origins in hell.
    I have always enjoyed music and as long as the words are savoury and clean and the sound melodious and soothing to the sane mind then I personally have no problem with…I’m talking about secular music here.
    In the past I used to enjoy the late Keith Green’s numbers that had a direct message of salvation but laterly I would be circumspect of this.
    My favourite piece of music is the classic Handel’s Messiah which is not only a masterpiece but includes direct words out of the scriptures in a sequence that tells the gospel in a meaningful sequence.
    I once read that George Frederic Handel was the composer for king George in England and fell out of favour at some stage. The result was that he went into great despair and depression and was a broken man. Fortunately he had a friend that cared and gave him written versus of the bible to lift him up. In his desperation, he read these versus given to him in the letter and while reading them became converted and inspiration came to him in music. Every time I hear this music I am convinced that I they are divinely inspired especially the Halleluja Chorus.
    In fact all the words are directly from scripture.
    I just love this peace of work as not only is the music beautiful but the words have meaning for me.

  • Ezekiel

    I agree that the secular music and some of the christian music is bad as well. Not all christian music is bad or subliminal however. Sorry just passing through won’t be back on. Praise be to Christ. All of you God bless you.

  • Ezekiel

    And I so do not like my picture. LOL.

  • Ezekiel

    By the way guys I’m from Michigan,USA.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Ezekiel

    The picture is something that the blog chooses by default. I have no control over it. If you want your own picture you can upload a picture at http://www.gravatar.com and link it to your email address.

  • Ezekiel

    Thank you Deborah. I have my new image now.

  • Michael

    All secular music is not of God. So…Stick with what glorifies God. Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey etc NOT from God!(John 12:43, Romans 12:1). No matter how soulful or inspirational it may sound, the bottom line is if it doesn’t glorify God then it’s not worth it(1 Peter 4:11, Matthew 4:10)) You see, the devil works in legal grounds, if you still listen to HIS music(as he is the Prince of this world and don’t forget a former angel of music in Heaven) then he dwells in you. Let’s be real, Jesus was absolutely tortured,tormented and then ultimately died JUST for our sins, can’t we just follow him alone? Doesn’t he deserve that? We MUST be grateful as we receive this undeserved gift named grace, otherwise we receive the wrath of God. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ as He is coming soon(and I mean sooner than we think). You may not like this but as Christians we must do as James 4:7, 1 Thessalonians 5:22 state. Let us pray and read the Word, as those are the 2 things the devil hates us doing. Going to church,singing in the choir even preaching he doesn’t mind (even though all those are good), BUT what the devil doesn’t want anyone having knowledge of the Word which is God(John 1:1-2) so let us “pray without ceasing” 1 Thessalonians 5:17 as prayer is the basis of a successful Christian life and you must have absolute faith in Him, Jesus always had time to pray, in fact he used prayer as a means to recharge to then spread the Word.

  • Mary

    Could I recommend Handel’s Messiah. Also other classical artists of the same error who I believe were true Christians. I do like some contemporary Christian music and am not a legalist. It’s not all bad. I do love the old hymns.

  • Martin Horan

    Yes, Mary, you can recommend Handel’s Messiah. Now you are talking masterpiece! Check Andre Reiu on YouTube where you can find him leading orchestras and singers belting out this wonderful piece of music.
    Whenever I hear it I can imagine Christ returning with His saints to the earth with the angels singing the Hallelujah Chorus. (I don’t think that will happen though when the world will be in terror at His return, crying for the rocks to fall on them!)
    The audiences on these Andre Reiu productions stand up in unison with the power of the emotion the Hallelujah Chorus inspires. That’s what happened at it’s very first performance in Dublin in 1742 and it’s interesting to see that the tradition continues. I think it’s possibly the greatest piece of music ever composed.
    Most of our contemporary music is drivel in comparison.

  • Michael

    Yes, Martin I fully endorse that Handel’s Messiah is probably the greatest piece of music ever composed.
    When I was converted I heard the recording by the London Symphony Orchestra and chorus with Joan Sutherland,Grace Brumbry,Kenneth McKellar,David Ward and conducted by Sir Adrian Boult…it brought tears to my eyes for not only was the music so beautiful but it was backed by scripture in a sequence that is so correct in context and meaning. The full message of the gospel is brought to light accompanied by inspired music…there can be absolutely no doubt about this. If nobody has not ever heard the full version they have certainly missed something especially if you are a true believer…the person that gave the gospel and led me to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ was effected by hearing this and it initiated to her down the road to seek the true Christ.
    I read that Handel when he faced rejection by the King for his music was so down and dispirited received a letter from a friend with the encouraging words of these scriptures and as he read them they affected and inspired him so that the music just came to him. Although I reject false experiences from all the false prophets and teachers prevailent in charismatic and wof circles I can accept this because it bible-based in a correct context.
    I am also aware that most people who are unbelievers love this music but this does not change it.
    Here is the sequence and scriptures;

    1 Overture
    Scene 1
    2 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people… Isaiah 40:1–3 Isaiah, a new Exodus
    3 Ev’ry valley shall be exalted Air T Isaiah 40:4
    4 And the glory, the glory of the Lord Chorus Isaiah 40:5
    Scene 2
    5 Thus saith the Lord, the Lord of Hosts
    Behold, I will send my messenger Acc. B Haggai 2:6–7
    Malachi 3:1 Haggai, splendor of the temple
    Malachi, the coming messenger
    6 But who may abide the day of His coming Air A Malachi 3:2
    7 And He shall purify chorus Malachi 3:3
    Scene 3
    8 Behold, a virgin shall conceive Rec. A Isaiah 7:14
    Matthew 1:23 Isaiah, virgin birth, quoted by Matthew
    9 / 8 O thou that tellest good tidings to Zion
    Arise, shine Air A Chorus Isaiah 40:9
    Isaiah 60:1
    10 / 9 For behold, darkness shall cover the earth Acc. B Isaiah 60:2–3
    11 / 10 The people that walked in darkness Air B Isaiah 9:2
    12 / 11 For unto us a Child is born Chorus Isaiah 9:6
    Scene 4
    13 / 12 Pifa Pastorale
    14 There were shepherds abiding in the field Rec. S Luke 2:8 Gospel of Luke, Annunciation to the shepherds
    15 / 13 And lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them Acc. S Luke 2:9
    And the angel said unto them Rec. S Luke 2:9–10
    16 / 14 And suddenly there was with the angel Acc. S Luke 2:13
    17 / 15 Glory to God in the highest Chorus Luke 2:14
    Scene 5
    18 / 16 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion Air S Zechariah 9:9–10 Zechariah, God’s providential dealings
    19 Then shall the eyes of the blind open’d Rec. A Isaiah 35:5–6 Isaiah, oracle of salvation for Israel
    20 / 17 He shall feed His flock like a shepherd
    Come unto Him, all ye that labour Duet A S Isaiah 40:11
    Matthew 11:28–29 Isaiah, the Shepherd
    Matthew, praise of the Father
    21 / 18 His yoke is easy, His burthen is light Chorus Matthew 11:30

    [edit] Part IIMain article: Messiah Part II
    No N / B Title Form Bible source Notes
    Scene 1
    22 / 19 Behold the Lamb of God Chorus John 1:29 Testimony of John the Baptist
    23 / 20 He was despised
    He gave his back to his smiters Air A Isaiah 53:3
    Isaiah 50:6 Songs of the suffering servant 4, 3
    24 / 21 Surely, He hath borne our grieves and carried our sorrows Chorus Isaiah 53:4–5 Man of Sorrows, 4 continued
    25 / 22 And with His stripes we are healed Chorus Isaiah 53:5
    26 / 23 All we like sheep, have gone astray Chorus Isaiah 53:6
    27 / 24 All they that see Him, laugh Him to scorn Acc. T Psalms 22:7 Psalm 22
    28 / 25 He trusted in God Chorus Psalms 22:8
    29 / 26 Thy rebuke hath broken His heart Acc. T Psalms 69:20 Psalm 69
    30 / 27 Behold, and see if there be any sorrow Arioso T Lamentations 1:12 Book of Lamentations
    Scene 2
    31 / 28 He was cut off out of the land of the living Acc. T Isaiah 53:8 Man of Sorrows
    32 / 29 But Thou didst not leave his soul in hell Air T Psalms 16:10 Psalm 16
    Scene 3
    33 / 30 Lift up your heads Chorus Psalms 24:7–10 Psalm 24
    Scene 4
    34 Unto which of the angels said he at all time Rec. T Hebrews 1:5 Epistle to the Hebrews
    35 / 31 Let all the angels of God worship Him Chorus Hebrews 1:6
    Scene 5
    36 / 32 Thou art gone up on high Air A Psalms 68:18 Psalm 68
    37 / 33 The Lord gave the word Chorus Psalms 68:11
    38 / 34 How beautiful are the feet of Him Duet AI AII Chorus Isaiah 52:7
    Romans 10:15
    39 / 35 Their sound is gone out into all lands Arioso T Romans 10:18
    Psalms 19:4 Psalm 19, The glory of God
    Epistle to the Romans
    Scene 6
    40 / 36 Why do the nations so furiously rage together Air B Psalms 2:1–2 Psalm 2
    41 / 37 Let us break their bonds asunder Chorus Psalms 2:3
    42 He that dwelleth in heaven Rec. T Psalms 2:4
    Scene 7
    43 / 38 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron Air T Psalms 2:9
    44 / 39 Hallelujah Chorus Revelation 19:6,16
    Revelation 11:15 Book of Revelation

    [edit] Part IIIMain article: Messiah Part III
    No N–B Title Form Bible source Notes
    Scene 1
    45 / 40 I know that my Redeemer liveth Air S Job 19:25–26 Book of Job, Messianic anticipation
    46 / 41 Since by man came death Chorus 1 Corinthians 15:21–22 Paul on the Resurrection of the dead
    Scene 2
    47 / 42 Behold, I tell you a mystery Acc. B 1 Corinthians 15:51–52 Resurrection of the body
    48 / 43 The trumpet shall sound
    and the dead shall be rais’d Air B 1 Corinthians 15:52–53
    Scene 3
    49 Then shall be brought to pass Rec. A 1 Corinthians 15:54 Victory over death
    50 / 44 O death, where is thy sting? Duet A T 1 Corinthians 15:55–56
    51 / 45 But thanks be to God Chorus 1 Corinthians 15:57
    52 / 46 If God be for us, who can be against us Air S Romans 8:31,33–34 Paul’s Assurance of salvation
    Scene 4
    53 / 47 Worthy is the Lamb that was slain Chorus Revelation 5:12–13 The creatures in heaven give praise
    Amen Chorus

  • Truthful Conversation

    This is an excellent video on Lady Gaga.

  • Lindie

    Sorry guys, the classical side of music isn’t so innocent either.
    Beethoven was a mason and probably a mind controlled slave too.
    Especially some types of baroque can be dangerous!

  • There is no masonic record confirming that Beethoven was a Freemason. He had many masonic friends but that didn’t make him a Freemason.

    What types of Baroque music can be dangerous? Explain please.

  • Lindie

    In my view much of the art and music of the early years belonged to the roman catholic church influenced by some very heathen people like phytagoras, plato ect. Each era like renesance ect had their own influences.
    Allthough Beethovens membership seems to be in question masonic influence in his music is deliberate. Google his gravesite and you will recognise the obelisk.

    Research phtagoras and downing str, then you will see phytagoras even tied his belief system to the matematical system still used today, and its still teached at all schools world wide, actually its sickening!

    https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/16092/1_Gaona_Brian.pdf?sequence=5

    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Baroque_period

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lindie

    Not arguing with you, just trying to understand, you say, “masonic influence in his music is deliberate” can you please explain.

    Thanks :)

  • Lindie

    Hi Deb,

    Herewith some explanation on one of his very popular pieces, the magic flute im sure with futher investigation you will find much more

    Freemasonry and The Magic Flute

    In understanding Flute it’s important to understand something about Freemasonry. Mozart became a Mason in 1784 – Schikaneder and Giesecke were also Freemasons. The Masons of Vienna saw themselves as a philosophical group persecuted by the Hapsburgs and the Catholic Church. Indeed, the Pope had issued two edicts decrying Freemasonry.

    Certain elements of The Magic Flute find Egyptian heritage. The gods Isis and Osiris are invoked. Egyptian images and architecture appear. This is a magic land to which Masonry traced some of its origins. Likewise, ancient Persia was viewed as a source of Freemasonry. The character Sarastro’s name is certainly derived from the ancient Persian prophet Zoroaster.

    Entire books have been written about the Masonic symbolism contained in The Magic Flute. Here are but a handful of examples. The number three held significance in Masonry. Thus, we find three strongly emphasized chords in the overture, three Ladies in the service of the Queen of the Night, three Boys who lead Tamino and Papageno on their quest, in the original cast three slaves and three priests, three temples, three knocks on the doors of the temple, and three flats in the key signature of E flat, the home key of the opera. Other numbers are aslo significant in Masonry. For instance, the 77 strokes of the bastinado which Monostatos is to receive at the end of the First Act hearken to the idea that in Masonry the number 7 represents wisdom. The serpent which chases Tamino, the padlock used to punish Papageno for telling a lie, the portrait of Pamina, the flute and bells, the gender of some of the characters, the references to air, earth, fire, and water, the allusions to darkness and the sun, the colours of certain costumes – all these things can be tied to Masonic iconography.

    But the opera was not written for a closed circle of the initiated. It was written for a suburban theatre, a popular, not a highbrow theatre. One of the amazing things about Flute is that it works on so many different levels, and may either be enjoyed simply for its music and charm, or may be debated and discussed at length as a meaningful treatise on human existence. Or both.

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Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments

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Terms and Conditions:terms and conditions

Because this world is becoming more evil by the minute and Discerning the World is coming under attack more often from people with some very nasty dispositions, we now have ‘Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments‘ which you need to agree too before you can comment – this is to protect us and you when you comment on this website.  If you are not here to harm Discerning the World and it’s authors, please by all means comment, however if you are here to cause harm in any way, please don’t comment.

The following conditions does not mean that the authors of Discerning The World permit only opinions that are in agreement with us. This also does not mean that we fear dissenting opinions or ideas that are contrary to the beliefs that we hold (and/or that of the revealed Scriptures of the Holy Bible).

The following describes the Terms and Conditions applicable to your use of the “Comments” submission service at the Discerning the World website.

BY CLICKING THE “POST COMMENT” BUTTON FOR YOUR COMMENT, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND ABIDE BY ALL OF THE RULES AND POLICIES SET FORTH HEREIN. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, DO NOT SUBMIT YOUR COMMENT TO DISCERNING THE WORLD WEB SITE.

  1. Discerning the World owns and operates the DiscerningtheWorld.com site (the “Site”). Your use of the features on the Site allowing for submission of a “Comment” is subject to the following terms and conditions (the “Terms”). Discerning the World may modify these Terms at any time without notice to you by posting revised Terms on the Site. Your submission of a “Comment” to the Site following the modification of these Terms shall constitute your binding acceptance of and agreement to be bound by those modified Terms.
  2. By submitting a “Comment” you are accepting these Terms through your clicking of the “POST COMMENT” button.
  3. Discerning the World has the right, but not the obligation, to take any of the following actions, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, at any time, and for any reason or no reason, without providing any prior notice:
    1. Restrict, suspend or terminate your ability to submit “Comments,” to the Site;
    2. Change, suspend or modify all or any part of the Site or the features thereof;
    3. Refuse or remove any material posted on, submitted to or communicated through the Site by you;
    4. Deactivate or delete any screen names, profiles or other information associated with you; or
    5. Alter, modify, discontinue or remove any comment off the Site.
  4. You agree that, when using or accessing the Site or any of the features thereof, you will not:
    1. Violate any applicable law or regulation;
    2. Interfere with or damage the Site, through hacking or any other means;
    3. Transmit or introduce to the Site or to other users thereof any viruses, cancel bots, Trojan horses, flood pings, denial of service attacks, or any other harmful code or processes;
    4. Transmit or submit harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, deceptive, fraudulent, obscene, indecent, vulgar, lewd, violent, hateful or otherwise objectionable content or material;
    5. Transmit or submit any unsolicited advertising, promotional materials, or spam;
    6. Stalk or harass any user or visitor to the Site; or
    7. Use the content or information available on the Site for any improper purpose.
  5. You retain the Copyright of any “Comment” you submit to Discerning the World. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to grant Discerning the World a irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual license to use the material or commentary that you have submitted, in any medium and in any manner that Discerning the World may, in its sole unfettered discretion, choose.
  6. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to comply with the following rules concerning such submissions:
    1.  You agree not to include in your “Comment”:
      1. Any false, defamatory, libelous, abusive, threatening, racially offensive, sexually explicit, obscene, harmful, vulgar, hateful, illegal, or otherwise objectionable content;
      2. Any content that may be seen as stalking or harassing of any other Site contributors;
      3. Any content that personally attacks an individual. (An example of a personal attack is posting negative comments about an individual in a way meant to demean that person. Note that posting your opinion about someone’s ideas, doctrine or actions is not a personal attack);
      4. Any content that discloses private details concerning any person, for eg., phone numbers that have not been made public, photos that are not in the public domain, residential address that is not public, ID numbers, Social Security numbers, email addresses that are not in the public domain, etc.;
      5. Any content that you know to be false, misleading, or fraudulent;
      6. Any use of profanity;
      7. Any content including advertisements or otherwise focused on the promotion of commercial events or businesses, or any request for or solicitation of money, goods, or services for private gain;
      8. Any content that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment; or
      9. Any content directly or indirectly soliciting responses from minors (defined as anyone under 18 years of age).
  7. FAIR USE NOTICE:
    1. If any part of the “Comment” is not your original work, it is your responsibility to add the name of the third party, name the book with page number or a link (url) to the website where you obtained the information.
    2. Your “Comment” may contain Copyrighted material, the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. You are however allowed to make such material available in your “Comment” in an effort to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc.  This constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this Site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml.
    3. If you wish to use copyrighted material from a website or any other medium for purposes to add to your “Comment” that go beyond ‘fair use’, you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. (Fair Use means you may quote from copyrighted sources, but you may not publish the whole article, book, etc., in your “Comment”.)
  8. You are solely responsible for the “Comment” you upload, post, transmit or otherwise make available to others using this Web Site. Under no circumstances will Discerning the World be liable in any way for any “Comment” posted on or made available through this Site by you or any third party.
  9. You understand that all “Comments” on this Site are pre-screened or moderated. That means that every “Comment” needs to be approved by Discerning the World before it appears in the “Comments” section.  This is not an automatic process.  Discerning the World does this for SPAM reasons.
  10. Discerning the World has the right (but not the obligation) in their sole unfettered discretion to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or available through the Site. Without limiting the foregoing, Discerning the World has the right to remove any “Comment” that violates these Terms or is otherwise deemed objectionable by Discerning the World in its sole discretion.
  11. You understand that Discerning the World in their sole unfettered discretion is not obligated and can not be forced in any manner, be it legal or otherwise to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or made available through the Site by you.
  12. When submitting a “Comment,” you will be asked to provide your name and your email address. While Discerning the World does not object to your use of a pseudonym instead of your actual name, Discerning the World reserves the right, but not the obligation, to reject, change, disallow, or discontinue at any time any submission name that, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, is objectionable or inappropriate for any reason. Discerning the World requires the submission of your email address, but Discerning the World warrants that it will not publish your email address to an outside third party without your consent.
  13. Discerning the World does not sell or rent your personal information to third parties for their marketing purposes. From time to time, Discerning the World may contact you personally via email. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you acknowledge and understand that the “Comments” feature of the Site is designed to permit users to post information and commentary for public review and comment and thus you hereby waive any expectation of privacy you may have concerning any likeness or information provided to the Site by you.
  14. You are solely responsible for your interactions with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    1. Discerning the World shall have the right, but not the obligation, to monitor interactions utilizing the “Comments” facility of the Site, between you and other users of or visitors to the Site. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World, or any third party shall not be, and you shall not seek to hold them, responsible for any harm or damage whatsoever arising in connection with your interaction with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    2. Discerning the World does not verify any information posted to or communicated via the “Comments” sections of the Site by users and does not guarantee the proper use of such information by any party who may have access to the information. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World does not assume, and shall not have, any responsibility for the content of messages or other communications sent or received by users of the Site.
  15. The Site contains content created by or on behalf of Discerning the World as well as content provided by third parties.
    1. Discerning the World does not control, and makes no representations or warranties about, any third party content, including such content that may be accessible directly on the Site or through links from the Site to third party sites.
    2. You acknowledge that, by viewing the Site or communications transmitted through the Site, you may be exposed to third party content that is false, offensive or otherwise objectionable to you or others, and you agree that under no circumstances shall Discerning the World be liable in any way, under any theory, for any third party content.
    3. You acknowledge and agree that the Site, and the contents thereof, is proprietary to Discerning the World and is protected by copyright. You agree that you will not access or use the Site or any of the content thereof for any reason or purpose other than your personal, non-commercial use.
    4. You agree that you will not systematically retrieve data or other content from the Site by any means, and you will not compile a database or directory of information extracted from the Site.
    5. You agree that you will not reproduce, distribute or make derivative works of the Site or any of the contents thereof without the express consent of Discerning the World.
    6. You hereby agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Discerning the World, its affiliates and licensees, and all of their officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives from and against any and all liabilities, losses, claims, damages, and expenses (including attorneys’ fees) in connection with any claim arising out of your use of the Site or violation of any of these Terms.

DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY/LIMITATION OF LIABILITY.

  • YOU EXPRESSLY AGREE THAT USE OF THE SITE IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK. NEITHER DISCERNING THE WORLD, ITS AFFILIATES, NOR ANY OF THEIR RESPECTIVE EMPLOYEES, AGENTS, OR LICENSORS WARRANT THAT THE SITE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, TIMELY, SECURE OR ERROR FREE.
  • THE SITE IS PROVIDED ON AN “AS IS” BASIS WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WARRANTIES OF TITLE OR IMLPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
  • THIS DISCLAIMER OF LIABILITY APPLIES TO ANY DAMAGES OR INJURY CAUSED BY ANY FAILURE OF PERFORMANCE, ERROR, OMISSION, INTERRUPTION, DELETION, DEFECT, DELAY, COMMUNICATION LINE FAILURE, THEFT OR DESTRUCTION OR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO, ALTERATION OF OR USE, WHETHER FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, TORTIOUS BEHAVIOR, NEGLIGENCE OR UNDER ANY OTHER CAUSE OF ACTION. YOU SPECIFICALLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT DISCERNING THE WORLD SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR THE DEFAMATORY, OFFENSIVE OR ILLEGAL CONDUCT OF USERS OF THE SITE OR THIRD PARTIES, AND THAT THE RISK OF INJURY FROM THE FOREGOING RESTS ENTIRELY WITH THE YOU THE COMMENTER.
  • IN NO EVENT WILL DISCERNING THE WORLD, ITS AFFILIATES OR ANY OF THEIR RESPECTIVE EMPLOYEES, AGENTS OR LICENSORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES, EVEN IF THEY HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES, ARISING FROM, RELATING TO OR CONNECTED WITH THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE SITE OR ANY OTHER MATTER ARISING FROM, RELATING TO OR CONNECTED WITH THE SITE OR THESE TERMS.

16. These Terms constitute the entire agreement between Discerning the World and you with respect to the subject matter hereof, and supersede any previous oral or written agreement between us with respect to such subject matter.

Thank you!