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		By: David Sirmons		</title>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 13:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/17/the-bible-says-i-said-you-are-gods-but-is-this-entirely-true/#comment-455040&quot;&gt;Warren&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Warren :hi:

Thank you so much for your comment.  Tom and I really appreciate it!  :thankyou:

You said &quot;and once you surrender to the Lord and choose to seek only the Lord, your eyes will be opened and everything else (denominations, leaders, music, movies…..) begins to reveal itself as a lie and stumbling blocks whether it be subtle or not&quot;

Absolutely 100% true.  You don&#039;t mind me if I quote you - very well said.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/17/the-bible-says-i-said-you-are-gods-but-is-this-entirely-true/#comment-455040" >Warren</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Warren :hi:</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your comment.  Tom and I really appreciate it!  :thankyou:</p>
<p>You said &#8220;and once you surrender to the Lord and choose to seek only the Lord, your eyes will be opened and everything else (denominations, leaders, music, movies…..) begins to reveal itself as a lie and stumbling blocks whether it be subtle or not&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely 100% true.  You don&#8217;t mind me if I quote you &#8211; very well said.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2017 19:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deborah,
I recently found this site while trying to dig up information on a so called &quot;prophet&quot; Kim Clement. There was more than enough information to help finalize my opinion of him being a false teacher. I also have read over dozens of other article on this site and have reviewed all scriptures used as references to supported the chosen argument. I am greatly impressed and very pleased to be in contact with others who seek the Truth of God&#039;s word and do not want to follow man&#039;s doctrinal mandates. God&#039;s word is the ONLY Truth in this world, and once you surrender to the Lord and choose to seek only the Lord, your eyes will be opened and everything else (denominations, leaders, music, movies.....) begins to reveal itself as a lie and stumbling blocks whether it be subtle or not. Thank you for all you do, keep up the good fight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah,<br />
I recently found this site while trying to dig up information on a so called &#8220;prophet&#8221; Kim Clement. There was more than enough information to help finalize my opinion of him being a false teacher. I also have read over dozens of other article on this site and have reviewed all scriptures used as references to supported the chosen argument. I am greatly impressed and very pleased to be in contact with others who seek the Truth of God&#8217;s word and do not want to follow man&#8217;s doctrinal mandates. God&#8217;s word is the ONLY Truth in this world, and once you surrender to the Lord and choose to seek only the Lord, your eyes will be opened and everything else (denominations, leaders, music, movies&#8230;..) begins to reveal itself as a lie and stumbling blocks whether it be subtle or not. Thank you for all you do, keep up the good fight.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2017 12:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/17/the-bible-says-i-said-you-are-gods-but-is-this-entirely-true/#comment-455035&quot;&gt;David&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi David

Um, nope.  You can&#039;t add an apostrophe.

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Psalm 82:1 says, “A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.” &lt;/ol&gt;



From the next three verses we can clearly see that the word “gods” refers to magistrates, judges, etc. people who hold positions of authority and rule.

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Psalms 82:2-4 
2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 
3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 
4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.&lt;/ol&gt;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/17/the-bible-says-i-said-you-are-gods-but-is-this-entirely-true/#comment-455035" >David</a>.</p>
<p>Hi David</p>
<p>Um, nope.  You can&#8217;t add an apostrophe.</p>
<ol>
Psalm 82:1 says, “A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.” </ol>
<p>From the next three verses we can clearly see that the word “gods” refers to magistrates, judges, etc. people who hold positions of authority and rule.</p>
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Psalms 82:2-4<br />
2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.<br />
3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.<br />
4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.</ol>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2017 11:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is this really so misunderstood?
Christ is clearly speaking of us in terms of ownership, as children of God. Ezekiel 18:4 &quot;Behold, all souls are mine.&quot; All souls belong to God.  

This verse is more easily understood with the proper punctuation. Put an apostrophe in &quot;God&#039;s&quot;


“You are god&#039;s, And all of you are children of the Most High.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this really so misunderstood?<br />
Christ is clearly speaking of us in terms of ownership, as children of God. Ezekiel 18:4 &#8220;Behold, all souls are mine.&#8221; All souls belong to God.  </p>
<p>This verse is more easily understood with the proper punctuation. Put an apostrophe in &#8220;God&#8217;s&#8221;</p>
<p>“You are god&#8217;s, And all of you are children of the Most High.”</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2017 08:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/17/the-bible-says-i-said-you-are-gods-but-is-this-entirely-true/#comment-453271&quot;&gt;Justin Cosby&lt;/a&gt;.

Justin Cosby

&lt;ol&gt;
you said &quot;What people are meaning is not that we are all gods plural. But that we are all God singular, one being. The holy trinity the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost. God lives inside each of us. Saved or not the Holy Spirit is inside each of us ( that is how we instinctively know right from wrong ) God is all, he is the heavens and the Earth. He is each of us. Also is the offspring of any cat a dog? No the offspring of all cats are cats.....&quot;&lt;/ol&gt;

What you have explained is Panentheism (God is in Everything).

Let me explain. Panentheism is essentially a combination of theism (God is the supreme being) and pantheism (God is everything). While pantheism says that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims the God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God. Panentheism holds that God is the “supreme effect” of the universe. God is everything in the universe, but God also is greater than the universe. Events and changes in the universe affect and change God. As the universe grows and learns, God also increases in knowledge and being. 

Panentheism is most definitely not biblical. In fact, it is extreme heresy that impugns the character of God and makes Him more like a man. God is present everywhere (Psalm 139:7-8), but God is not everything. God knows everything, whether actual or possible (Psalm 139:1-6; Romans 11:33-35). God does not learn because He already has all knowledge. God is “affected” by things that occur in the universe, but only in that sin angers Him and holiness pleases Him. Our actions do not change God or impact His essential being. 

The Bible presents God as holy (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8), sovereign (1 Chronicles 29:11; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 37:20), omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-10), omniscient (Job 28:24; Psalm 147:4-5), omnipotent (Job 42:1-2), self-existent (Exodus 3:14; Psalm 36:9), eternal (Psalm 90:2; Habakkuk 1:12), immutable (Psalm 33:11; James 1:17), perfect (Deuteronomy 32:3-4), and infinite (Job 5:9; 9:10). None of these attributes are compatible with panentheism. God transcends all of His creation, and is in no sense limited or changed by events in His creation.

The Holy Spirit does not live in the unsaved.  The Holy Spirit abides in born again believers only.  You are confusing the Holy Spirit with mans &#039;conscience&#039; Your conscience is a God-given capacity for human beings to exercise self-evaluation. Paul refers several times to his own conscience being “good” or “clear” (Acts 23:1; 24:16; 1 Corinthians 4:4). Paul examined his own words and deeds and found them to be in accordance with his morals and value system, which were, of course, based on God’s standards. His conscience verified the integrity of his heart. 
 
Your conscience is not the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit draws people to God that that man be saved, when a person is born again the Holy Spirit comes to abide in the person and SEALS the believer that he/she is forever a child of God.  Having a conscience and the Holy Spirit is 2 different things.

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You said &quot;No Im not as I am unclear on this teaching and as such make no claim to be because I feel that would be careless. But that is the argument people make, not that they are each an individual God but that we are all one being. I do feel as though there is a chance that Jesus meant it quite literally.&quot;&lt;/ol&gt;

No Jesus Christ the Son of God did not mean this literally.

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you said &quot;I dont think ANYBODY is truly qualified to answer except God himself&quot;&lt;/ol&gt;

Really?  If you go to the bible you will find the answer to this question.  
The bible says: 
John 16:13
&quot;Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, &lt;strong&gt;he will guide you into all truth&lt;/strong&gt;: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.&quot;

Do you see that?  The Holy Spirit guides a born again believer into all TRUTH and He points us to the Word of God for answers.  This means EVERYTHING we need to know is in the bible.  I recommend you go and read and research yourself.  Open it :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/17/the-bible-says-i-said-you-are-gods-but-is-this-entirely-true/#comment-453271" >Justin Cosby</a>.</p>
<p>Justin Cosby</p>
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you said &#8220;What people are meaning is not that we are all gods plural. But that we are all God singular, one being. The holy trinity the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost. God lives inside each of us. Saved or not the Holy Spirit is inside each of us ( that is how we instinctively know right from wrong ) God is all, he is the heavens and the Earth. He is each of us. Also is the offspring of any cat a dog? No the offspring of all cats are cats&#8230;..&#8221;</ol>
<p>What you have explained is Panentheism (God is in Everything).</p>
<p>Let me explain. Panentheism is essentially a combination of theism (God is the supreme being) and pantheism (God is everything). While pantheism says that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims the God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God. Panentheism holds that God is the “supreme effect” of the universe. God is everything in the universe, but God also is greater than the universe. Events and changes in the universe affect and change God. As the universe grows and learns, God also increases in knowledge and being. </p>
<p>Panentheism is most definitely not biblical. In fact, it is extreme heresy that impugns the character of God and makes Him more like a man. God is present everywhere (Psalm 139:7-8), but God is not everything. God knows everything, whether actual or possible (Psalm 139:1-6; Romans 11:33-35). God does not learn because He already has all knowledge. God is “affected” by things that occur in the universe, but only in that sin angers Him and holiness pleases Him. Our actions do not change God or impact His essential being. </p>
<p>The Bible presents God as holy (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8), sovereign (1 Chronicles 29:11; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 37:20), omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-10), omniscient (Job 28:24; Psalm 147:4-5), omnipotent (Job 42:1-2), self-existent (Exodus 3:14; Psalm 36:9), eternal (Psalm 90:2; Habakkuk 1:12), immutable (Psalm 33:11; James 1:17), perfect (Deuteronomy 32:3-4), and infinite (Job 5:9; 9:10). None of these attributes are compatible with panentheism. God transcends all of His creation, and is in no sense limited or changed by events in His creation.</p>
<p>The Holy Spirit does not live in the unsaved.  The Holy Spirit abides in born again believers only.  You are confusing the Holy Spirit with mans &#8216;conscience&#8217; Your conscience is a God-given capacity for human beings to exercise self-evaluation. Paul refers several times to his own conscience being “good” or “clear” (Acts 23:1; 24:16; 1 Corinthians 4:4). Paul examined his own words and deeds and found them to be in accordance with his morals and value system, which were, of course, based on God’s standards. His conscience verified the integrity of his heart. </p>
<p>Your conscience is not the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit draws people to God that that man be saved, when a person is born again the Holy Spirit comes to abide in the person and SEALS the believer that he/she is forever a child of God.  Having a conscience and the Holy Spirit is 2 different things.</p>
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You said &#8220;No Im not as I am unclear on this teaching and as such make no claim to be because I feel that would be careless. But that is the argument people make, not that they are each an individual God but that we are all one being. I do feel as though there is a chance that Jesus meant it quite literally.&#8221;</ol>
<p>No Jesus Christ the Son of God did not mean this literally.</p>
<ol>
you said &#8220;I dont think ANYBODY is truly qualified to answer except God himself&#8221;</ol>
<p>Really?  If you go to the bible you will find the answer to this question.<br />
The bible says:<br />
John 16:13<br />
&#8220;Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, <strong>he will guide you into all truth</strong>: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you see that?  The Holy Spirit guides a born again believer into all TRUTH and He points us to the Word of God for answers.  This means EVERYTHING we need to know is in the bible.  I recommend you go and read and research yourself.  Open it 🙂</p>
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		By: Justin Cosby		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[What people are meaning is not that we are all gods plural. But that we are all God singular, one being. The holy trinity the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost. God lives inside each of us. Saved or not the Holy Spirit is inside each of us ( that is how we instinctively know right from wrong ) God is all, he is the heavens and the Earth. He is each of us. Also is the offspring of any cat a dog? No the offspring of all cats are cats. The offspring off all dogs are dogs. Would not all of the offspring of god be god ( singular because there IS only one God not individual gods ). God can do anything he is all powerful but if we are his children how would we not be God? Am I saying I am God? No Im not as I am unclear on this teaching and as such make no claim to be because I feel that would be careless. But that is the argument people make, not that they are each an individual God but that we are all one being. I do feel as though there is a chance that Jesus meant it quite literally. Do I know this no and I will not claim to. You may if you wish. But even the examples you give speak only of one God and that I %100 believe. However do those examples teach that we could all not be the one being God? Im not debating Im not claiming we are all God Im simply saying that this is the point being made and the question that I dont think ANYBODY is truly qualified to answer except God himself ( I know youre thinking but if we are God that means we can answer it ) no thats not what I mean either. If it is the case that we are all God than we are each a iny part of an infinitely larger whole. The God that can answer this question is the whole that exists greater than the individual parts. We are made in his image? Is he calling himself a human, mortal and born of sin? Of course not he is incapable of sin he is not mortal or human. So how are we made in his image? Does that mean we look like him? Is he male and female then? I believe if we are made in his image and we are his children perhaos Jesus meant it quite literally? I cant judge this and so havent perhaps neither should you and perhaps this is a question that we should not even attempt to answer without being able to ask God ourself we dont know the context. That what I believe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What people are meaning is not that we are all gods plural. But that we are all God singular, one being. The holy trinity the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost. God lives inside each of us. Saved or not the Holy Spirit is inside each of us ( that is how we instinctively know right from wrong ) God is all, he is the heavens and the Earth. He is each of us. Also is the offspring of any cat a dog? No the offspring of all cats are cats. The offspring off all dogs are dogs. Would not all of the offspring of god be god ( singular because there IS only one God not individual gods ). God can do anything he is all powerful but if we are his children how would we not be God? Am I saying I am God? No Im not as I am unclear on this teaching and as such make no claim to be because I feel that would be careless. But that is the argument people make, not that they are each an individual God but that we are all one being. I do feel as though there is a chance that Jesus meant it quite literally. Do I know this no and I will not claim to. You may if you wish. But even the examples you give speak only of one God and that I %100 believe. However do those examples teach that we could all not be the one being God? Im not debating Im not claiming we are all God Im simply saying that this is the point being made and the question that I dont think ANYBODY is truly qualified to answer except God himself ( I know youre thinking but if we are God that means we can answer it ) no thats not what I mean either. If it is the case that we are all God than we are each a iny part of an infinitely larger whole. The God that can answer this question is the whole that exists greater than the individual parts. We are made in his image? Is he calling himself a human, mortal and born of sin? Of course not he is incapable of sin he is not mortal or human. So how are we made in his image? Does that mean we look like him? Is he male and female then? I believe if we are made in his image and we are his children perhaos Jesus meant it quite literally? I cant judge this and so havent perhaps neither should you and perhaps this is a question that we should not even attempt to answer without being able to ask God ourself we dont know the context. That what I believe.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2016 05:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/17/the-bible-says-i-said-you-are-gods-but-is-this-entirely-true/#comment-451550&quot;&gt;ScienceOne&lt;/a&gt;.

Jesus spoke in parables to explain spiritual truths to his disciples. Quoting from the Old Testament is not a parable. It is merely affirming what is already written in the Old Testament or the New. The secular world does not always scoff. This is what the Bible says about non-believers.

&lt;blockquote&gt;. . . for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.  (Luke 16:8b).&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
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<p>Jesus spoke in parables to explain spiritual truths to his disciples. Quoting from the Old Testament is not a parable. It is merely affirming what is already written in the Old Testament or the New. The secular world does not always scoff. This is what the Bible says about non-believers.</p>
<blockquote><p>. . . for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.  (Luke 16:8b).</p></blockquote>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, Jesus quoted something that was written after the crucifixion? Wow, it sounds like this interpretation is a subjective view point. Didn&#039;t Jesus say that He spoke in parable? Matthew 13:34 &quot;All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:&quot;  This is a good example of why the secular world scoffs at Christians, and I am a Christian.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Jesus quoted something that was written after the crucifixion? Wow, it sounds like this interpretation is a subjective view point. Didn&#8217;t Jesus say that He spoke in parable? Matthew 13:34 &#8220;All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:&#8221;  This is a good example of why the secular world scoffs at Christians, and I am a Christian.</p>
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		By: ian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2015 07:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deborah and Tom, well said both of you !!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah and Tom, well said both of you !!!</p>
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