Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased?

prophetsNo, there are no prophets today because genuine Prophets are mentioned in the Bible – they were the foundations of the church and secondly the gift of prophecy has ceased.

The office of Prophet and Apostle was temporary…

and only necessary for the church before the completion of the Bible.  The actual foundation of the church was built UPON the Prophets and Apostles (with Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone).

Ephesians 2:19-22

19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,20 having been built ON THE FOUNDATION of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

The role of the prophet in the Old Testament was to foretell the future and truths about God and the coming of His Son Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ was the LAST and GREATEST Prophet

Hebrews 1:1-2

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

The gift of prophecy has ceased.

1 Corinthians 13 (Amp)

8 Love never fails [never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes to an end]. As for prophecy (the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose), it will be fulfilled and pass away; as for tongues, they will be destroyed and cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away [it will lose its value and be superseded by truth].

9 For our knowledge is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect), and our prophecy (our teaching) is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect).

10 But when the complete and perfect (total) comes, the incomplete and imperfect will vanish away (become antiquated, void, and superseded)

The ‘perfect’ spoken about in verse 10 above is the Bible itself.  Here we are told that when the Bible would be written and complete, prophecy would no longer be needed, neither would tongues for that matter as the Bible is Perfect in every way and the church will use the Bible instead because it contains all the prophecy you need.

But someone might say,” but what about 1 Corinthians 14:3 where it speaks about prophesying.

Well let me explain.

1 Corinthians 14:3 (AMP)

3 But [on the other hand], the one who prophesies [who interprets the divine will and purpose in inspired preaching and teaching] speaks to men for their upbuilding and constructive spiritual progress and encouragement and consolation.

This is not prophecy spoken by a Prophet my dear readers, this is the gift of inspired preaching and teaching that results in edification, exhortation, and encouragement.  This is FORTH TELLING of the truth of the Word of God, not FORETELLING the future.

Once again do you see how just the smallest twisting of scripture can create an entire false religion and lead millions upon millions of people astray.

Today we have millions of false prophets running around telling churches that they have ‘heard from the Lord, this’, or ‘God has told them, that” but they speak from their own imaginations.

Jeremiah 23:16

16 Thus says the LORD of hosts:   ” Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you.   They make you worthless;   They speak a vision of their own heart,  Not from the mouth of the LORD.

Jeremiah 14:14

14 And the LORD said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.

Sometimes some of these false prophets prophecies come true, but it’s not due to the fact that they are Godly men or woman, oh no!  Many of these prophets dabble in occultism and Satan can make things go his way that they correspond with the said prophecy. In fact you find prophets in all religions.  Satan is also not stupid, his intelligence far exceeds mans and he knows how to play mankind and get them right where he wants them.   A so called prophet within todays ‘Christian’ circles is non other than a soothsayer and they are an abomination unto the Lord.

Deuteronomy 18:9-13

9 “When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations.10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God.

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Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

103 Responses

  1. David

    You quote…

    Rev 2:2 “I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:”

    Believers in the days of Ephesus could not bear those who were evil. (again this was before the Word of God was had been written and closed) That little Ephesian Church were loyal to the truth. They tried those who claimed to be apostles, and if they found they were deceivers they refused them as liars. So there were many people in those days who claimed to be Apostles but were NOT, just like today. But since the Bible has been written, God has made it easier for us to spot a fake because he has stopped the office of Apostle and Prophet for the Church Dispensation. Anyone who elevates themselves to that level needs to be questioned. Simple. We have teachers and preachers and then the Holy Spirit who guides us into ALL TRUTH.

    You quote…

    Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
    Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
    Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

    This is during the tribulation. The two witnesses are none other than Elijah and Moses sent back to earth by God specifically for the GREAT Tribulation and they will preach and prophecy to Israel for 3 and a half years only and then the anti-Christ will kill them. There will also be 144,000 Jews Sealed by God during the Tribulation who will have power to preach as well.

    You need to please read this to get a correct biblical perspective of the Church dispensation and the time of the tribulation (Time set aside for Israel):
    This article explains Joel 2 and Acts:
    Your Sons Your Daughters Will Prophesy, But Not Yet… and
    And then please read this because you need to understand Kingdom Now theology: Yes a Future Kingdom, but not a Kingdom Now

    I think it’s about time you go and study scripture for yourself because clearly you do not know your bible at all, because I get the feeling you are trying to catch me out and I am sorry to say that is not going to happen.

  2. David says:

    Well sorry if it seemed to come off that way. Really don’t mean to offend but got to say the fact that you say I clearly don’t know the bible does hurt especially since I have seen the articles you refer to and read the other perspectives, please do not have pride in your knowledge, others do research as well. I really did want to come to a point where the questions can be answered to know if you were right or wrong, but have to say there are some questions still not answered. At this point it would be redundant to continue though so thank you for your time and God bless.

  3. David

    >> You said in your previous comment, “Very interested in hearing ur response to this and the last comment about the prophets mentioned in acts. Please get around to it whenever possible I know its a bombardment out of nowhere but I really do want to see which point of view is right so the body can move on forward in peace and unity.”

    I felt like you were testing me and trying to catch me out by this statement, “Very interested in hearing ur response to this” I mean really? And then “I know its a bombardment out of nowhere” like I have never heard this type of question before? like ‘ha ha you got me now’…

    I am doing my best here to help you and you seem to be trying to catch me out for the sake of peace and unity? Peace and unity with who?

    All the answers are in the BIBLE David, but it would appear you have now found it redundant to continue to find the answers…all because I said that is clear you don’t know your bible, what a cop-out.

    The bible says:

    2Tim 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

  4. David says:

    That is why I apologized because I didn’t mean for there to be a miscommunication. I was giving a bombardment to questions that support the opposing side of the article to see what your counter argument would be. I didn’t mean for it to sound as if I caught you in anything, I merely said that since you hadn’t responded to the previous comment and didn’t mean to impose. As for your cop-out response, I didn’t mean give up completely, but rather continue searching on my own. What sense would it make to give up over something so childish? I will continue searching, no worries. I know your doing your best and maybe you have just had a lot of aggressive writers which is what had you see it that way. Again, I didn’t mean to, a lot of your articles are interesting. Have a great day and God bless you.

  5. David

    OK, I understand. I apologize as well. Please do carry on asking me questions, that is what I am here for.

  6. David says:

    Thanks. Do you have an article on the James Holmes shooting and how the illuminati planned it? Its something I learned about recently and wondered if you knew about it yet. If not I recommend checking lil wayne’s “still my homie” video (of course I don’t listen to hip hop but someone told me about it which caught my attention). There is a lot of symbolism behind it but the ending is what I think you will find really surprising.

  7. David

    No I had not heard that one, what I had figured out was that this guy who did the shooting was kinda possessed by The Joker. Even his hair was dyed red.

  8. Hanelie says:

    I’ve visited this thread numerous times, praying for clarity: wisdom, discernment. Then, this morning, I read Luke 16:16, and decided to return here again. And, for the first time, it made sense – I understood what Deborah meant in her explanation of 1 Cor 14:3. I think it is well summarized in the following words (transcription of a sermon) of David Legge:

    A literal translation of 1 Corinthians 14 and verse 3 is this: ‘This gift of prophecy was for edification, for encouragement, and for consolation’. You may have the promptings of the Holy Spirit, and I do not minimise anyone’s experience of God the Holy Spirit – for I do not want to put the sovereign God into a box – but let me say this: generally God does not speak to us immediately today. God speaks to us ‘mediately’, through a medium. The Spirit of God who has inspired these pages for our benefit, when God wants to speak to you He will not bypass or contradict His own inspired word by His Holy Spirit. Now listen: there are no apostles today, there are no prophets today, but what we do have is the apostle’s doctrine and the word of prophecy – we have the word of God.

    In that light, we can proclaim it all we like – and that’s what astounds me: we have a greater gift than the prophets had in their day! Yet many men want to call themselves prophets, and prophesy this, that and the other, and miss the mark many of the time – when we have the definite, absolute, authoritative word of God, and if we preach and proclaim it we’ll never go wrong! That is New Testament prophecy today, for the way in which we prophesy is to take the word of God and to preach it! The old puritan got it right when he wrote the book: ‘The Art Of Prophesying’ – he was speaking about how to preach the word of God, how to prophesy: to proclaim the word of God abroad! We have a warning from the word of God in Revelation 22, that if we add to the prophecy of God’s word, of God’s prophecy, if we take away from it, we run the danger of losing our own souls!

    We have no need of people foretelling the future. None. What had been bugging me is that God had certainly used people (prophets, I thought) to show me the way, the Truth as it really is in the Bible. That was the first thing He did – return me to the Bible (that which religion had systematically undermined for me, telling me I could not really believe all of it). But, I understand now that these “prophets” who had shown me the way, were just teaching from the Word.

    Isn’t the massive following of modern day prophets enough evidence that they are not prophets?

  9. Hanelie says:

    Oh, and maybe I can just add the following (same source as above), because it made me think of so much of what I have read and learned here.

    I believe that we have caved in to the pressure today of the spirit of tolerance in our society. I really do, I believe we’re afraid! We’re afraid of the world and what they’ll do, we’re afraid of what our family and our friends will say: ‘He’s shoving religion down my throat again’ – and we cave in. We are caught, as the word of God says, ‘in the snare that is the fear of man’. We have listened to the prophets of modern evangelism who tell you not to speak of hell but of a ‘lost eternity’, to speak not of sin but of ‘mistakes’, to preach not the shed blood of Christ but only a ‘giving of a life for others’, to preach not a life of holiness but a ‘life of wholeness and happiness’ – it’s very subtle, isn’t it? But then we wonder why the light isn’t shining into the darkness. God, give us a fearless, fiery, fervent band of preachers and proclaimers and Christians who will resist unto blood, striving against sin!

  10. Hannelie

    You got it:)

    >> Isn’t the massive following of modern day prophets enough evidence that they are not prophets?

    You are so right, and the bible warned that this would happen.

  11. Redeemed says:

    What impresses me most about all of this is that we are being given just a glimpse of what will be unleashed after the Church is taken out of this world. It is being held back for now and those who believe Christians will go through the GT are underestimating the intense onslaught of evil that will be enjoying full freedom to come out with full force. It is beyond our imagination!

    I do believe that many of these messages are subliminal, designed to condition the minds of mankind. It may serve a dual purpose as well – to send signals to those who are “in the know”.

    The evil that is to come will most likely have a facade of benevolence in the beginning for those who are in chaos and grasping at straws.
    The Bible indicates such.

    We are seeing much confusion that seems to be escalating, even amongst Christians. I do think that eschatology is a major key and many have been deceived and detoured away from the truth. How one perceives what the Bible says about endtime events is quite consequential. Not regarding salvation, but in one’s effectiveness as a believer and one’s priorities as we near the end of time as we know it.

    Some will see the events described here and be filled with anticipation and encouraged to reach the lost and walk circimspectly before the Lord and be ready for His return. Others will become fearful and filled with dread and seek to prepare in fleshly ways. They may consider the former group as ill-prepared and being set up for destruction. This is part of the endtime confusion of the enemy.

    That is not the topic of this thread, but it is related. All I can say brethren and sisteren lol is keep looking up – your Redemption draws nigh. Don’t let anyone rob you of the Blessed Hope.

  12. Robbie says:


    Just used that very same phrase (massive followers of false prophets as evidence)

    Kids running after Mr. Clement
    I am going to imitate Benni Hinn:
    “… if only I could find the verse in the Bible that says… “beware of discerners and watchmen!”


    Thanks, I feel better now…

  13. Hector says:

    Prophets do not exist today. The gift of prophecy is active today only to confirm what has been written in the Word of God. In my opinion the office of the prophet would be the modern preacher,teacher and pastor of a congretation which speaks the Word of God according to the SCripture which is the fullfilment of all prophecies.

  14. Carm says:

    I like quoting scripture, because that’s what got me out of the charismatic movement and the NAR. I was in a para-church ministry that went very weird and very NAR (or rather, I just suddenly woke up and realised that I’m in a cult). Eph 2:20 started milling in my mind and I suddenly realised that the old testament prophets and new testament apostles formed the foundation of the church, with Christ as corner-stone of course… that’s a biggie for me because I was raised in the 1980s WOF movement (which made me a bit of an outcast in Dutch-Reformed SA). But I realised that if you bring in a new prophetic and new apostolic, then you are laying down a new foundation… which is different from that foundation which was laid down for us 2000 ago… for a different church… with a different Jesus.

    Anyways, it takes God to open your eyes… and that can only happen if you have any regard for the authority of Scripture. God got me back on track about the authority of Scripture (above visions, audible voices and angels), after I prayed and asked what is important to Him and what He wants me to focus on (at that time I was at the cutting-edge of ignorance), and He gave me Psalm 138:2 “For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.”

  15. Marc Collins says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:


    >> Means that when Christ returns and we are made perfect THEN the gifts will cease!

    BLLLLEEEEEEP! Wrong. That which is perfect is the bible 🙂 read the comments ABOVE where I explain this MORE CLEARLY.

    How do we explain Acts 13 where there are prophets after Christ ascended? Just asking… Maybe I’ve misunderstood…

  16. Truth Preacher says:

    [deleted – I am not a cessationist, you go to Jesus Christ directly for healing, etc. Nor am I a Calvinist]

  17. Jaco du Preez says:


    You say that the perfect is the Bible?

    You also say that there are no prophets, can you please explain Ephesians 4:10-15 then? He gave prophets, apostles, evangelists, pastors and teachers for the perfecting of the saints and then uses the word Till, so does that not then mean that apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers will be there until we all come unto a perfect man (us)?

    Is the perfect that Paul speaks of in 1 Cor 13 not what is referred to in Eph 4:13, we that come to perfection, that we will be like Him, “unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ” a perfect man.

    Because then we will see as in 1 Cor 13:12 states – For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I KNOW EVEN AS ALSO I AM KNOWN.

    Face to face: when you look into a mirror you see your own face. If Christ is the perfect mirror of God and I see face to face in Him, will I not see who I am in Him. And I will see face to face when I am like Him, “unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ”.

    What would be your thoughts on this?

  18. Jaco du Preez

    Please read the article again, you didn’t read it properly. Regarding 1 Corinthians 13 you are not reading it correctly.

  19. louise says:

    For much of my life I had spoken in tongues and had supported the Charismatic movement, so essentially the office of the prophet had to be for today. I was encouraged by the Holy Spirit to study Gods word for myself. The word of God came alive and it breathed life into my dead brain cells. Oh how I spend many a day crying as I had been one of those many Christians who had spoken in tongues etc. Now I had to go to my family and tell them that i was a phoney and that whatever I had spoken was false. I had accepted all those teachings and now i had to undo years of false teachings. Thats fine as God was in control and when you know God is in control you have that deep inner peace and you smile through it all. The office of the prophet was for the foundation of the church and it ceased once the written Word had been made perfect. One of the issues that helped me put this matter to bed was the issue of prophets. I looked around THE WORLD and saw no fruit of a true prophet and that included Dave Wilkinson who I had once looked upon as a great man of God and he slipped up. He should have been stoned but thats another topic. The men of today who dare call themselves prophets hardly live the live found in the Old Testament that those men of God lived. I had to compare them and there was no comparison. Something was terrible wrong with that picture. So where are the prophets for today and who are they. I could not find one who could fit that bill. We have lowered the standard of Gods word by claiming that prophets are for today and we have stopped fearing God as they did way back. Too often we have been told that God is our “Big Daddy” and he just wants to put us on his lap and give us a big teddy bear hug. Oh no people we have taken the wrong turn in the road. Where is our reverence. Now thinking back when I heard a prophet speak in the church what lacked was that deep deep reverence and too often by the time we had gotten into the car the words of the so called prophet had been forgotten. Why. Because it was not from God. When God speaks he does it through his word and the Holy Spirit. Period. And whats more you will sit up and take notice.

    Copied and Pasted…..Students of the Bible face a particular challenge with 1 Corinthians 13:10 where Paul wrote, “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.”
    Some suggest that Paul was referring to the second coming of Christ while others say he meant the completion of scripture.

    A Church Divided

    Let’s begin with an overview of Paul’s letter to the Corinthian church. At the heart of all of their problems was the problem of division. Paul addressed that issue at the very start of his letter (1 Corinthians 1:11). As he continued, he pointed out a number of things which had either led to divisions among them or had been the result of their divisiveness.

    For instance, they were divided over favorite preachers (1 Corinthians 1:12). They were divided because of their lack of concern for the poor (1 Corinthians 11:18-20). They were divided by their competition of spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12). Other smaller contentions existed as well.

    Aside from their failure to deal with the sin among them (1 Corinthians 5), their core problem was that of division.

    A Lesson on Love

    Having that in mind, we come to the passage in question. In 1 Corinthians 12, Paul dealt with the issue of spiritual gifts. He taught them that different gifts were given in order that all members of the Lord’s body could function together as one.

    It’s not surprising that Paul would next address the importance of love (or charity) in 1 Corinthians 13. First, he taught that those gifts which the Corinthians so valued were worthless without love (1 Corinthians 13:1-3). Second, he explained love (1 Corinthians 13:4-7). Third, he illustrated the supremacy of love (1 Corinthians 13:8-13).

    Keep in mind, Paul’s primary objective was to teach the Corinthians to embrace this unifying love. The latter part of the chapter was not meant to be an exception. He wanted them to understand the significance of love as well as their need to grow in understanding and perspective.

    Tongues, Prophecy, and Knowledge

    Paul said that love will never become inefficient while prophecies will become inefficient, tongues will come to an end, and knowledge will become void (1 Corinthians 13:8). According to verse 10, this will happen when that which is perfect is come.

    Perhaps we can already see the difficulty in formulating a timeline based on this passage. Paul encouraged prophecy and discouraged tongues in the very next chapter (1 Corinthians 14:1). In other words, Paul suggested that the end of tongues had come or was coming shortly while there was no end in sight for prophecy. Furthermore, at what point—either after the completion of scripture or after the second coming of Christ—would knowledge become void?

    Some insight into the words Paul used there might be helpful. By prophecy, he could have been referring to the gift of divine revelation or he could have been referring to the reiteration of God’s word such as pastors and teachers do today. By knowledge, he used the word, gnosis, which implies a general knowledge as opposed to an intellectual knowledge (epistemon) or a deeper, precise knowledge (epignosis).

    Obviously, prophecy by divine revelation came to an end at the completion of the Bible. However, prophecy by reiteration will not come to an end until the second coming of Christ. That term is not particularly helpful in discerning verse 10. Instead, let’s focus on knowledge.

    Time to Grow Up

    Skipping verse 10 for now, consider what Paul wrote next. In verse 11, he used himself as an example of one who was once childish in his understanding but later became a man. In verse 12, he explained how we do not see clearly but eventually clarity does come. If we consider those verses in light of one another, it is apparent that Paul was talking about growing in maturity.

    If the knowledge he spoke of before means a general or basic understanding, then he was simply encouraging the pursuit of epignosis or a far more mature knowledge. As a matter of fact, Paul wrote in the next chapter, “Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men” (1 Corinthians 14:20).

    Paul apparently felt that the Corinthians were in need of two basic things: love and a deeper understanding.

    That Which is Perfect

    Getting back to the verse in question, what is that which is perfect? Perfect is translated from the Greek word, teleios. It could have a variety of implications so context is key to defining it. In the next chapter, as quoted before, Paul wanted them to be men in their understanding. The word, men, was translated from the exact same word as perfect in 1 Corinthians 13:10.

    In short, Paul’s statement in verse 10 was relatively vague and likely did not allude to any particular event such as the completion of scripture or the second coming of Christ. He simply meant that once they had grown up in their spiritual understanding, they would see the importance of love and the foolishness of competing with one another in the use of spiritual gifts (especially tongues).

    Prophecies would “fail” when their understanding of God’s truth matured. Tongues would “cease” when they grasped the deeper realities of God’s truth. Knowledge would “vanish” as it gave way to a far more profound knowledge of God’s truth.

    Does 1 Corinthians 13:10 have any reference at all to the completion of scripture or the second coming of Christ? Perhaps both. The Bible is full of parallel lessons or teachings with a wide array of implications.

    I wish to leave this with you.

    The church is in trouble as people want the signs and wonders. The bible warned us that this generation seeks after signs and wonders. They want the experience but they don’t want to do the leg work which is to study the word for themselves. Once you begin to study seeking Gods truth the word is opened to you and its like peeling away the many layers. I have had so many “Eureka” moments .

  20. KC says:

    I was miraculously saved and given the gift of tongue speaking when I gave my life to Christ in campus, after the preaching of an evangelist on the cross of Jesus. Since then, I have been blessed to witness to others and see souls saved. Till today I can still speak in tongue though I never “promote” it. My life has changed from one of heathen living to one who is constantly seeking God and His righteousness.. If tongue has ceased (which is not true in my case) and I have been misled all this while, does that mean I should go back to my old life or seek the correct Christ and His teachings again. Sounds like moving from a Christ-centered life to another so-called Christ-centered life. And I will have to tell all those whom the Lord has saved that I was wrong in misleading them and say “sorry, i am not of your salvation because i wss wrong”. There’s no end to it. I know whom I have believed and He is able to deliver me. I know Paul had to abandon his previous beliefs and follow Christ, but we are not him and we have the seal of the Holy Spirit in dwelling in us, giving us the assurance that we belong to Christ and no one can snatch us from Him, not even the different interpretations of mere men. Thanks for allowing me to chip in my humble thoughts and please don’t delete this message.

  21. KC,

    Do you understand and can you interpret the tongue you speak in?

  22. Chas says:

    Those who claim that tongues have ceased are speaking without understanding, because they have not received the Holy Spirit. We were all separated from God at the beginning, and the only way to come out of that separation into the Presence of God is to believe that Jesus was the Son of God. However, who can accept it?

  23. Joel Kall says:

    Hello all this is Bible, Gods Word twisting.

    All signs all Wonders is valied for today none is ceased, prophecy valied tongues signs wonders etc.

    I must warn you what you do here is rejecting Gods Spirit and blashpheme God.

    I warned you by email.


  24. Joel Kall,

    Jesus said:

    A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. (Matthew 16:4)

  25. Chas,

    You cannot accept the fact that the so-called glossolalia of today is not of God but of the devil.

    A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. (Matthew 16:4)

  26. Vanessa says:

    Hi Chas,

    I wish to quote you……..
    Those who claim that tongues have ceased are speaking without understanding, because they have not received the Holy Spirit. We were all separated from God at the beginning, and the only way to come out of that separation into the Presence of God is to believe that Jesus was the Son of God. However, who can accept it?

    Accepting Jesus as the Son of God has no bearing on tongues. Further I would ask that you read the testament of Louise. I use to have that Nic. I of all people understood tongues as did my husband. Neither of us do tongues anymore as it was a false doctrine we had been taught and did not study the Word ourselves to see if it was of God. You make a sweeping statement that those who do not speak in tongues do not have the Holy Spirit. Please may I have chapter and verse for that. You adopted that thought from people you hang around with and the word of Faith preachers.

    I understand why you see it is for today but I urge you to pray and ask God to show you the truth. Many Christians have become Sunday Christians and dont check out for themselves what the pastors are telling them. Once you begin to walk in the spirit and pray in the spirit (not tongues) God will open his word up and you WILL begin to see a radical change in your life.

    I questioned tongues as I saw way too many wordly Christians and I was one of them. Deep deep down I knew there was so much more to Gods word and so began my journey. I walked away form all that I had been taught by the word of Faith Movement and took my bible and began reading an studying alone. Jesus said to me 1 John 2 verse 27….As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in him. When I read this I wept and asked for forgiveness for assuming tongues was for today. I am so grateful to the Lord.

    Take care.

  27. Vanessa says:

    Dear KC,
    When God dwelt with me on the issue of tongues I was ready to receive I was in error so it was easy for me. My husband who had been a pastor did not feel that I was right and I never once argued the point with him and simply handed the matter to the Lord. My husband also began studying tongues and he realised that he had also been deceived. What we see is a counterfeit of the real tongues (language) that once was used for the unbeliever. The Jews alway wanted a sign and so tongues (language) was used for the unbeliever. The tongues we hear in church today is not of God. Satan has tricked the church but the true church has begun to come out of the faith Movement. Did you know that Hindus talk in tongues as do Catholics. Mormons talk in tongues. PLEASE research.

    I pray you will receive what I am saying in love as I do not wish to argue but we MUST contend for the faith. I see the apostasty of the church as being tongue talking mixed denominations all becoming one under the New Religion that will come upon the world once the Bride hs been raptured.

    As i write I am watching Rodney Howard Brown and his false teaching and I see he prays for the fire over people. Thats judgement. As is the Lake of fire. Amasing how the people flock and cry out to him to be touched. How so very sad. May God have mercy on them as he had with me.

    Take care.

  28. YvZ says:

    I have a question for all people who label themselves prophets or apostles. Who gave them the title of prophet of apostle in these days, how does it happen? Do you just wake up one morning and decide that this is a good day to start being a prophet or apostle? Is it some famous preacher, teacher, evangelist or another prophet who decides that you are also now important enough in the eyes of God to serve as a prophet for Him? Or did God speak in an audible voice? Or is there some kind of institution who gives these titles to people? Just wondering…

  29. YvZ

    That is a very good question.

  30. YvZ says:

    Hi Debs, I really want the answer to this question, cause it’s been on my mind since there are just so many ‘prophets’ these days. I mean, how can you tell if someone is REALLY a prophet (that is, if you believe they exist). Most titles you get, you have to go through a process, like getting a qualification, like a doctor. But what does a prophet have to do??? And what advantages goes with this title, except of course, that you are able to ‘foretell the future’ and sound very ‘important’ to ignorant people…

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