New Calvinism – Catching a Gullible Generation

new calvinismA new term has been coined for the youth, it’s called New Calvinism or Neo-Reformed.  It’s actually Old Calvinism repackaged for a more vibrant gullible generation.

Why is Calvinism spreading like wild fire in the times we living in?  Because they preach what appears to be a truthful gospel!  People are sick and tired of having to listen to the Benny Hinn’s of the world, with all it’s false teachings and lavish excesses.  So up popped the Calvinist preachers to save the day.

But the preachers of New Calvinism fail to tell their followers the whole truth and nothing but the truth regarding T.U.L.I.P.  They don’t tell you that Total Depravity and Unconditional Election are actually Gnostic teachings and they don’t tell you that the Calvinistic version of Salvation is completely unbiblical because according to them Jesus died for the Chosen only and not the entire world as the Bible states in 1 John 2:2.   When you read anything written by a Calvinist, try read it from the Calvinist’s ‘Elect perspective’, only then will realise just how terrible their doctrine is.  Old Calvinism and New Calvinism are both vile doctrines.

According to Marc Driscoll, New Calvinism is the following:

  1. Old Calvinism was fundamental or liberal and separated from or syncretized with culture. New Calvinism is missional and seeks to create and redeem culture.
  2. Old Calvinism fled from the cities. New Calvinism is flooding into cities.
  3. Old Calvinism was cessationistic and fearful of the presence and power of the Holy Spirit. New Calvinism is continuationist and joyful in the presence and power of the Holy Spirit.
  4. Old Calvinism was fearful and suspicious of other Christians and burned bridges. New Calvinism loves all Christians and builds bridges between them.

So what we have here is Emergent Calvinism – Calvinism going home to Rome.

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Albert Mohler, John Piper, Mark Driscoll and Louie Giglio have been instrumental in helping to coin the term New Calvinist to reel in the youth.  Albert Mohler you say? Albert Mohler served as chairman for the Billy Graham Crusades.  Albert Mohler signed the ecumenical Manhattan Declaration. Albert Mohler holds leading positions in two UN, NGO’s.   Albert Mohler is invited to speak at John MacArthur’s Grace to You church once a year.

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Please note the leaders of this, one of them being Al Mohler a leader in the Southern Baptist denomination, others are John Piper and Mark Driscoll. It is disturbing that there is an escalation in this heresy, but just another sign we are in the last days. New Calvinism?  What a joke!

Reformed Preachers Ponder the New Calvinism

Three Reformed preachers recently sat down together to talk about theNew Calvinism that has been sweeping the younger generation of Christians.

It’s a movement that has young believers going back to the roots namely, to Scripture and the sovereignty of God.

“You’ve got a generation of Christians who’ve grown up in an overwhelmingly secular culture and they’re not part of a churched culture,” said Dr. Albert Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, in an informal discussion hosted by The Gospel Coalition.

“They’re realizing that something has to explain how they came to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. They have an absolute determination, you might say, to make clear that their first principle is the sovereignty of God, not the sovereignty of the self.”

The Rev. Kevin DeYoung, senior pastor of University Reformed Church in East Lansing, Mich., believes part of the appeal of the New Calvinism is that it’s “got some muscle to it” and is “robust doctrinally.”

There’s a renewed sense that “God’s sovereignty is biblical and massively important, that God loves us before we loved Him, that He’s the one who does the deciding work in our salvation,” the young pastor said.

In recent years, pastors have pondered the upsurge of interest in Reformed theology – which includes holding to the authority of Scripture, the sovereignty of God, and the sovereignty of grace – with some proposing that it is coming out of a restlessness and dissatisfaction with contemporary evangelicalism.

“Weary of churches that seek to entertain rather than teach, longing after the true meat of the Word, these young people are pursuing doctrine and are fast becoming new Calvinists,” states a post on the popular Christian blog Internet Monk.

Mohler has been identified as one of the evangelical theologians contributing to the resurgence. Others include Baptist theologian John Piper, C.J. Mahaney of Sovereign Grace churches, and Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church.

“What’s new is you have new people in a new time who are rediscovering the same kind of theological instincts and impulses that led to the Reformation and finding them in the same sources – Scripture,” Mohler explained.

And the desire for meaty answers to such questions as “how has God’s grace come to me” emerges “from young people trying to swim against the tide of secularism,” said the well-known evangelical.

Reformed theologian Ligon Duncan explained the phenomenon this way: “I think as the older confessional traditions jettison their fidelity to some of the great truths that all Protestants have valued because we found them in the Scriptures and see them at the very core of what Christian life and ministry is about, you’ve got a new generation of folks who are rummaging through our trashcans and saying ‘this is great, why didn’t somebody ever tell me about this?'”

As young people rediscover biblical truths, DeYoung believes it could “really reinvigorate evangelicalism.”

Meanwhile, for Mohler, the label – whether it’s the New Calvinism – doesn’t matter.

It all comes down to the Scriptures and being “committed to the Gospel, wanting to see the nations rejoice in the name of Christ, and wanting to see Gospel-built and committed churches,” Mohler indicated.

“If you’re going to dive deeply into the Scriptures, if you’re going to have to explain why the Scriptures have this authority … [and] how this gets worked out in life, frankly, I don’t care what you label it, you’re going to end up in a good place.”

Overall, the three theologians are excited.

“I think it is a wonderful and undiluted good thing that this younger generation is deeply biblical, deeply passionate, deeply convictional, increasingly confessional and ready to do something great for the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,” Mohler said.

Audrey Barrick | Christian Post Reporter

Source: http://www.christianpost.com/article/20101020/reformed-preachers-ponder-the-new-calvinism

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Burning Lamp

GE – I consider your comments to be a compliment – they weren’t even addressed to you unless you are MJH in disguise. But you are welcome to comment on any post.

Could you be so disturbed because the simple truth is unsettling to your intellect and the Holy Spirit is trying to break through the fog of false doctrine and pride?

Did you miss the part where I said how much I cared for the souls of those who are mired in false doctrines? Sir, can you say the same thing? No you cannot, because the TULIP prevents you from doing so!! There is no point because TULIP says the eternal state of every human being is cut and dried. Your main concern is defending TULIP, not saving souls with the Gospel. Can you not see that?

MJH

Howdy,

Burning Lamp- Thanks for calling out any judgment on my part that is unwarranted. I still stand where I left off, however. I read through Deborah’s responses and her posts and, if you’d like to point me where I may be missing it, I did not see scripture used or a real conversation about the pitfalls of Calvinism. It wasn’t until this last post by Deborah (and your last) that she and you pointed out things you believe to be true of Calvinism (why its evil). I say this meaning this: prior to these last two posts, what I read was, “Calvinism is evil.” Now I read, “Calvinism is evil because…” This is what I was getting at. That is what I was hoping to hear. It is one thing to say that why you think something is bad (this is at least a conversation that can be entered from both sides). Its another to just say its bad with no explanation (this leaves no room for conversation).

Now in regards to being a part of a church, I agree with you that we need to be in churches that are solid and biblical, committed to scripture and filled with love for its people. If you’re telling me there are no churches anywhere that are like that, then I must say I am sad for Deborah. It would be terribly hard to be removed from the corporate body of believers for any period of time, especially due to the lack of any church that preaches the gospel. I still hold fast to the warning I said before, though. Isolation from the corporate body, and more importantly, from church authority, is a dangerous road to walk on, to the sides of which lie the ditches of heresy. Be careful.

Now if we are to have an honest discussion about Calvinism, I think it would demand that both sides listen. I don’t think I’ve heard many people try to defend Calvinism on here, and I am afraid that the Calvinism side is being censored out: “[EDITED by DTW – This is not the PLACE TO PREACH YOUR FALSE TULIP DOCTRINE].” I don’t know what GE wrote. I can’t say whether it was contributing or not. I read your reasons why Calvinism is evil, and I hope you will hear me out and leave my post on here.

Many Calvinists, you are right, are prideful and arrogant. I think the reasons may be for some of the reasons you say, such as thinking they have got it and that they are better than others. They will receive their discipline from the Lord. Many people are turned off by Calvinist’s arrogance, so I definitely understand where this comes from.

But it saddens me. I would love to have a real conversation with you over e-mail or something, because what I read in your responses about why Calvinism is evil really disheartens me. The result of the doctrines of grace (yes I’ll use the term) in people’s life is really quite the opposite of what you’re saying. People may be prideful about being Calvinists, but the doctrines of grace would really have none of that. There is no room for pride. Repentance is still essential and foremost in Calvinism. Caring for lost souls is still immense in Calvinism. The things you are saying, the things I am hearing from you guys, about why Calvinism is awful are really, really sad to me, because they simply are not true. I’m not out to defend Calvinism to be right. I really believe if you understood Calvinism, you would love God more and desire to save people more, and pray more, and hope more, and repent more, and see your sin more, and desire holiness more, and be led to humility more. It is sad that you are getting Calvinism wrong (I’m not saying you’re illogical. The things you say make sense at face value. But the things you say are entirely off base.), because it leads straight to the Cross and far away from ourselves.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

MJH

What are you feeling sorry for me for? LOL Isolation from the CORPORATE BODY? Oh go play marbles on the highway. No really. You can rely on people and man made authority. I have a super relationship with Jesus Christ – HE IS MY AUTHORITY, and I GET ALL MY INFORMATION AND ANSWERS FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT. I am terribly sorry to hear it’s not this way for you, maybe you should try it some time and then you will realise how the Apostles made it through their long days stuck in jail or dumped on islands with non other but the enemy surrounding them, THEY HAD JESUS AS THEIR AUTHORITY and the HOLY SPIRIT AS THEIR COUNCILOR.

You will lie in the ditches of heresy if you obey men, and not the Holy Spirit.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

MJH

Gerhard E was censored out because of a long conversation that has taken place over a few days that got VERY NASTY. So I banned him from commenting again.

Here is an entire article on Calvinism: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/04/13/calvinism-a-heretical-doctrine-thats-what-the-bible-says/ <--=- here you will find everything you need to know about Calvinism

Burning Lamp

MJH, like most Calvinists you muddy the waters and get off on bunny trails. Yes, I am mixing metaphors but bunny trails can go through muddy waters. :-)

You seem like a very nice person, unlike GE who turned nasty. I hope we can get to the heart of the matter without any lengthy dissertations.

The heart of the matter is TULIP. It is simple. Going beyond that is not productive.
Deborah has provided biblical support in her articles and it is not necessary to cover that ground again.

It is next to impossible for one who believes in TULIP to have a burden for the lost. God has it all in place and it doesn’t mattere what we do. Everyone’s eternal destiny is determined before their birth and there is no reason to share the Gospel with them as there is no decision to be made. Those who are chosen for salvation will, by Irrestible Grace be savedone way or another. We are all just puppets in a play. Calvinists will try and dress that up to look biblical by hanging their hat on certain verses about God’s sovereignty that are twisted to conform to this evil doctrine.

Calvinism appeals to the intellect because it requires mental gymastics to believe in it. It makes a SIMPLE Gospel complicated. The Gospel requires us to become like a little child which is a stumbling block for intellectuals.

So let’s keep any discussion SIMPLE and confined to TULIP and the concepts it represents. Okee dokee?

MJH

Well now. I guess I stepped into a much much much bigger cultural experience than I thought I had. That article was really insightful in understanding your position. I didn’t realize how cultural Calvinism is in South Africa and how twisted it became. It is really crazy to realize that we are in discussion about one thing, Calvinism, but that thing, called by the same name, looks very different in our own world views. I’m American (don’t hate me), and I never ever have experienced what you have in the Dutched Reformed Church. I really have no idea how twisted it is.

I must point out that the article defines Calvinism by this Dutch Reformed experience, and in my understanding, attributes cultural, man-made beliefs to the five points. Example: Infant baptism saves. Not really in the five points. Not biblical. It is very very interesting to see this and realize that you and I share a completely different world view on Calvinism.

Another interesting thing is that this article’s objections to the five points are strangely my own objections. I hold to the five points, but if I were to believe what the author does about what each point means, then I, too, would argue the same things. However, I don’t believe the author explains the five points the same way I do (or the majority of Calvinists I know), and therefore, draws very very startling conclusions, to which I say, “You’re right, we shouldn’t believe those things.”

The bit on Spurgeon was really interesting because it almost seams sympathetic to Spurgeon. I would agree with Spurgeon in the way they describe his beliefs (I can’t comment on some things like “premillenialism vs amillenialist” vs “dispensationalism” etc) and so it seams like there is a very distinct system which the author calls Calvinism. This system of “Calvinism” is oppressive and believes 1) people are saved by sacriments, 2) there is no need for sanctification, 3) once saved, you can sin as much as you want, 4) the Church will rule the world, 5) there is no need for man to play a role in God’s redeeming work of salvation (including preaching, praying, testifying, witnessing, etc). I’m sure there are more points to include in this, but I must depart for now.

But I’ll leave you with this: If I’m getting the right picture of how this author sees Calvinism, then yes, this “Calvinism” is awful.

I’m writing on borrowed time (got a Christmas party to attend), but I will hopefully approach this again shortly. Please comment. I’ll be back soon.

John

The extreme spirtual pride and judgementalism I found on this blog exceeds the worst I have ever come accross after serving the Lord for more than 50 years.
What happened to the example Jesus gave of humility and a servants heart?
Just listen to yourselves and consider whether Jesus would be comfortable with your harsh judgments of people confessing Him as Saviour and Lord?
Do you not know that Truth is discerned through love – see Johns letters.
I fear that if non-Christians are exposed to this kind of spiritual pride and hatred of fellow Christians, it may bring Jesus so much into disrepute, they would never want to listen to the gospel ever again!
Please be responsible and follow the example of Jesus if you love Him.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

John

Terrible isn’t it. Oh, sorry… were you speaking about yourself? ….. “The extreme spirtual pride and judgementalism…”

“Bring Jesus into much disrepute”??? HAHA HAHA HAHA That’s the best one I’ve heard so far. So according to you the truth must be stopped, no more arguing, for fear that a non-Christian would never want to listen to the gospel again. You obviously take people to be complete imbeciles who want to be fed baby’s milk out a bottle for the rest of their lives -never mind if the milk is sour and turning green.

John by trying to side with the enemy for the sake of UNITY, you bring Jesus into much disrepute.

Burning Lamp

John, if you love the Lord, you will hate false doctrine and teaching that is harmful to people. Do you not care about those who are being ravaged by wolves that have crept in unawares? John, your attitude is not love at all. In fact, it is not loving God and His truth and it is not loving people. Wolves are allowed to ravage the flocks because of people like you who remain silent or perhaps have not taken notice.

In His Grip

MJH,

If you really want to go through the biblical arguments against TULIP in greater detail then I recommend downloading an excellent teaching tool on Calvinism available on Caryl Matrisciana’s website. Here is the direct link: http://www.carylmatrisciana.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66:teaching-tool-on-calvinism&catid=39&Itemid=58

There you can download a PDF document entitled The Notebook: Reformed Theology Explained and Exposed. It’s long but very easy to read. It’s written by a person who was a staunch Calvinist for 14 years. Often times the people who can best help us to see where a particular belief system is in error are those who were once trapped in that same belief system themselves.

God bless.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

In His Grip

Faannntastic!

In His Grip

Hi Deborah,

Ya that book is fantastic. Still busy with it myself with but wow what a blessing it has been to me.

You just keep on keeping on. Been visiting here for a few months now and I love that you stick with the Truth – no matter how difficult that may be. This site is like a last outpost for us so-called ‘fundamentalists’ and I for one am very grateful that it’s here.

Hey, I was wondering if you have any material on Heidi Baker (of Iris Ministries in Mozambique). I know she is NAR/Toronto/Vineyard and that her husband Rolland is quoted on YouTube as saying that William Branham is ‘probably the most anointed man since Jesus.’ Apparently Heidi may be coming out to SA soon (sigh) and I want to be able to warn people about the dangers associated with her ‘ministry’. Many can’t seem to accept that there could be anything dodgy about her. Her ongoing work in the orphanages that she has established seems to shield her from scrutiny. Any suggestions?

Deborah (Discerning the World)

In His Grip

Thank you so much. I believe there are many people reading this site that I am completely unaware of who are being helped because of the stand I take. Do you know how many people have tried to shut this site down? Many people. Even so called friends have told me to stop this blog. And then not long afterwards I found out that they themselves had ulterior motives. Unnbeeeelievable.

Thanks for the heads up. I will do an article on Heidi Baker. She is bad news.

In His Grip

Thanks Deborah. An article on Heidi Baker would be greatly appreciated. She is someone who strongly influences a great many women here in SA – and some men too. And the supernatural always seems to be at play. I have heard first hand accounts from people who claim that Heidi’s name come to them in a dream and the next thing they knew they were on their way to Mozambique to volunteer at one of her orphanages.

It’s almost impossible to get those who are wrapped up in ‘lying signs and wonders’ to heed any kind of warning but if I had more of the facts regarding Heidi’s ‘ministry’ at my disposal, then perhaps some seed of truth might be able to take root in future.

I’m not in the least bit surprised to hear that many people have tried put an end to this blog. But thankfully you have not stopped fighting the good fight. Yaymen to that.

MJH

After getting to just page 36 of the 300 some odd pages of the article makes it very clear to me that the author truly distorts Calvinism in the same way she/he thinks that Calvinism distorts scripture. The author attributes beliefs to Calvinism that simply aren’t true, villainizing it, making it out to be a very disgusting doctrine of belief. It’s hardly worth discussing a 300 page manuscript that starts off its discussion with blatant errors about the doctrine it so vehemently opposes. “Are there additional requirements for salvation? Yes, election, irresistible grace, lordship salvation [Don’t really know what the author is talking about here] and adherence to the law. Some hold to baptismal regeneration.” There are no additions. None at all. Just grace. And again, “Many Calvinists believe that Jesus has already come back in a spiritual Second Coming and is now ruling from heaven…” Who are many, and why have I never heard of this? There are plenty of other examples where the author is just not getting it right.

There is correct information about Calvinism in there, all over the place in fact. But there is also a lot of incorrect stuff and a lot of generalizations that have no backbone, that say Calvinism is wrong, but then fail to say anything about why. It would be a tremendous mountain to climb to weed through this, and even if I managed to climb it, I doubt you would find my argument persuasive.

If you are reading these things which lay out lies about certain doctrines (very long lies), then I find myself inclined to simply step away from this conversation. You are entrenched in a belief system that hates a mutant form of something very glorious and you do not see past the gross perversions of these doctrines. Attempting to wrestle with the errors of the things said about Calvinism here and correct them would be like attempting to pull cactus needles out of an animal that thrashes about in the brush. You don’t want to see Calvinism as anything but vile, and so the lies about it perpetually stick in your understanding of it, making it remain very vile.

Please understand that I am not exaggerating here. As someone of the Reformed variety, I have seen far more incorrect assertions about Reformed Theology/Calvinism in the two articles I was pointed to than I’ve ever encountered elsewhere. I would totally understand if you just don’t agree with the theology. Many people disagree. But there is nothing to be disagreed upon because we are not even talking about the same thing. Your understanding of Reformed Theology is a perversion of Reformed Theology. Something we can actually both agree to hate.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

MJH

>> “Many Calvinists believe that Jesus has already come back in a spiritual Second Coming and is now ruling from heaven…”

Actually those would be Calvinists who believe in AMILLENNIALISM. >> http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/23/john-calvin-believed-in-amillennialism-as-do-the-roman-catholic-church/

Deborah (Discerning the World)

College kids feeling passion for conference

By Steve Almasy, CNN

The Passion conference is more than just a huge gathering of college-age kids, organizers say. the recent Atlanta conference was a call for the next generation to make Jesus a focal point in their lives and to share that passion with others, they said.

“Church was never meant to be an island of self-indulgence, but a missional community of Jesus-followers so in love with Him that they can do nothing else but carry His name to the world,” pastor Louie Giglio said in an e-mail this week.

The event drew more than 22,000 students to the Georgia capital’s convention center and to Philips Arena. It was even more successful than Giglio had hoped for.

“It is truly inspiring to see a generation that is so hungry for an authentic encounter with Jesus … one that exchanges consumer-driven Christ for Christ-centered obedience,” said Giglio.

One of the main spots at the conference, a convention floor full of booths for 10 carefully selected charities that the Passion movement works with throughout the year. The call went out to the college kids to spend time at the exhibits and find one that moved them.

On a Monday night, the third of a four-day event, thousands of kids dressed in t-shirts and jeans weaved their way through the exhibits. They took brochures and enthusiastically chatted as volunteers explained what each cause was about.

The stereotype is that college kids never have much money, but these kids dug deep. Some even brought in containers filled with money they had raised or saved.

Some donated what little money they had, some brought material goods, many gave from there hearts, officials said. Every charitable goal was surpassed, not by a little but by a lot.

The goal was to raise $500,000 for the charities, but after the conference, Do Something Now, the fundraising campaign of the Passion Conferences, announced that it had raised $1.1 million for Compassion International, Hope International, Haiti Transformed, International Justice Mission, Bibles Unbound, World Made Flesh, Joint Aid Management, Cure International, Living Water International, and the Atlanta Mission and City of Refuge (kids brought socks and towels for the homeless).

Giglio says it is compelling to see 18- to 22-year-olds giving to the causes that matter most.

“The fact that 22,000 university-aged young people would journey to Atlanta and gather for the name of Jesus is staggering in and of itself,” he wrote. “But the fact that, as a result of His grace in their lives, they would pool their resources to the tune of $1.1 million to fund 10 local and global causes signifies a massive shift.”

Students got to hear from pastor John Piper, who returned from an eight-month leave of absence, Francis Chan, and Beth Moore. The students sat intently, many taking notes, writing down the references to scripture passages. Afterward, they left, so moved barely a word was uttered.

They also were treated to warm up music from Chris Tomlin and his fellow artists on the sixstepsrecords label. The resulting live album (yet to be titled) will be released March 8. Last year’s CD went to No. 1 on the Christian charts and featured the radio single “Our God.”

A second Passion event is scheduled for April 1 in Fort Worth, Texas. Tickets are still available, a spokesperson said. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/11/college-kids-feeling-passion-for-conference/

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Students got to hear from John Piper who was out during those 8 months making best friends with Rick Warren who is NOW doing this: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/12/rick-warren-a-new-age-prescription-for-your-health/ WARNING!!!

MJH

[EDITED BY DTW: MJH – If you want to call me a slanderer because I speak the truth that John Piper and Rick Warren are friends and it started before, during and now after his 8 month leave – then please, do me a small favour and try your hardest NOT to comment here again. ok? No really. I’m not joking. Thanks]

Burning Lamp

MJH, you insist on complicating the issue. Wonder why? Do you believe in TULIP? That is the emebodiment of Calvinism and you refuse to address those very simple tenets of Calvinism. TULI is all LIES from the pit of hell and P is based on the false premise of the others. If you want to believe in that, that is your choice, but you delude yourself by doing so. Apparently you are not willing to get down to the nitty-gritty of the basics of Calvinist/Reformed belief. You prefer to stay lost in the fog and smoke and mirrors.

If you would care to have a civil discussion based on TULIP I am sure that Deborah would welcome it, but she is right not to entertain rhetoric that confuses and insults.

onesimus

Good to find another voice exposing the dangers of Calvinism.

Bless you
Tim

onesimus

In addition to my earlier comment – while it is good to warn about the things that are wrong, be aware that discernment is perhaps more about highlighting what is RIGHT.

It is LIGHT that pentrates the darkness. It is not enough to merely say how dark it is.

Tim

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Dear Onesimus

You link to Andrew Strom (false teacher) and Voice of the Martys (False teachers) on your website – exposing Calvinism is the least of your worries my friend as you have severe NAR influences in your camp.

Burning Lamp

Tim, you are right that there is value in solid Bible teaching. That is a separate issue from discerning. We are to test the spirits to be sure they are of God. That is what discerners do.This is not a Bible study site. If you think about what you are suggesting, it is rather impossible. If something conflicts with the Word, it is false. As Bereans we are to know the Word.

It is VERY important to point out pitfalls and dangerous paths. Oftentimes truth is mixed in with error and calls for calling out the error. By calling out error, what remains is truth. However, any mixture of the two is to be avoided as the truth is tainted by the error mixed in.

Like Debs says, you need to take a look at what you are promoting to be sure it is doctrinally sound.

onesimus

Deborah,

In your off-hand dismissal of me you show you don’t have an ounce of discernment. You merely criticize and accuse without the benefit of light and you do so from ignorance.
I have been part of Andrew Strom’s websites for many years and have not held back from pointing out when I’ve believed he (and others on his site) have been wrong. But I have done that by pointing out what is RIGHT – not merely throwing out accusations from a distance.

Burning Lamp,
I know very well what “discerners do – I am personally very familiar with the Holy Spirit’s gift of discernment of spirits. I am also familiar with its counterfeit which is fault finding without pointing to truth.

I know very well what I am promoting – I promote the Lord Jesus Christ and I do so according to His revelation by His Spirit through His word.

Maybe reading the CONTENT of my blog rather than judging by links in a side bar you might be able to make more informed judgments.

A

Although I agree with some of the postings you have. I have to disagree on others based on the Holy Spirit’s guidance of the Scriptures and the fruits of the Spirit in my life, as we are to live by Him & worship in Spirit & in truth & walk in faith & after the Spirit. Also the word of God tells us clearly how to test the spirits & that there are gifts of the Spirit which must be used in line with our faith. The Spirit of God does speak through us or else we wouldn’t cry out Abba, Father. Rom. 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. I am glad to realize that the Spirit intercedes for us in ways we can’t comprehend & that only the Father knows the mind of the Spirit whom intercedes for us! I am happy to find that God loves me more than I could ever imagine! I have to thank God for your website bc it has caused me to look closely @ my personal relationship with the Lord & with those I encounter along the way. I find myself studying the word of God in search for the truth. It has only given me a firmer faith in the Lord, knowing that He truly is beyond what I can grasp! Jesus loves me! I understand that we all have our own personal relationship with the Lord & we have to constantly be considering as to whether or not we are doing His Will & giving Him the glory. Are we or are we not producing fruit in the choices we make, if it’s according to His Will then we should be producing good fruit. Having said all this  I leave you with these scriptures:  Romans 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you. Ecclesiastes 7:16 Do not be overrighteous, neither be overwise–why destroy yourself?
Romans 1:5 Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.
Romans 11:20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.
Romans 12:6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man’s gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith.
Romans 12:16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
Romans 15:15 I have written you quite boldly on some points, as if to remind you of them again, because of the grace God gave me
1 Corinthians 3:10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds.
1 Corinthians 4:7 For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?
1 Corinthians 7:17 Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches.
1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them–yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.
2 Corinthians 10:13 We, however, will not boast beyond proper limits, but will confine our boasting to the field God has assigned to us, a field that reaches even to you.
Galatians 2:9 James, Peter and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews.
Ephesians 3:7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power.
Ephesians 4:7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.
Philippians 2:13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
1 Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

onesimus

bla bla bla spoken like a true NAR

BL

You should read his blog instead of just look at the links, it’s worse.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

A

That’s fantastic, but I have NO IDEA what you are speaking about and what it has to do with this topic – NEW CALVINISM!
In another article under Kobus van Rensburg, you placed 1 verse, in the hopes to do what I do not know – Did you go and read my reply to it?

onesimus

[deleted] I don’t have time to listen to you tell me how bad I am, and then tell me how much you love Andrew Strom. He is false. Deal with it.

onesimus

Deborah said::
BL, You should read his blog instead of just look at the links, it’s worse.”

Burning Lamp you are MOST welcome to visit my blog to see whether Deborah’s accusations are true or not.

Bless you
Tim

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Oh BL will, don’t worry :)

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