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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/#comment-496680</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Cal, if you don&#039;t mind me speaking, which I&#039;m going too anyway.
I noticed the intense hatred towards women in your testimony, hense the real reason for your celebacy or should we just call it &#039;spiritual homosexuality&#039; - like in the Roman Catholic church. The same false Christ who calls for celebacy among priests in the RCC is the one who called you into to it as well.)

As Tom said we are having a problem with the comments section and lost quite a few comments, one being yours. 

You deny you are not a Calvinist yet your views on your website tie up 100% with Calvinism and I see you attract Calvinsts to you website like flies - you&#039;re a Calvinist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cal, if you don&#8217;t mind me speaking, which I&#8217;m going too anyway.<br />
I noticed the intense hatred towards women in your testimony, hense the real reason for your celebacy or should we just call it &#8216;spiritual homosexuality&#8217; &#8211; like in the Roman Catholic church. The same false Christ who calls for celebacy among priests in the RCC is the one who called you into to it as well.)</p>
<p>As Tom said we are having a problem with the comments section and lost quite a few comments, one being yours. </p>
<p>You deny you are not a Calvinist yet your views on your website tie up 100% with Calvinism and I see you attract Calvinsts to you website like flies &#8211; you&#8217;re a Calvinist.</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2021 09:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/#comment-496678&quot;&gt;Cal&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;Goodbye Cal. Your blessings upon us in some of your previous comments are a farce. Don&#039;t come back. You are merely heaping upon your head more and more coals of divine judgment. When you can&#039;t answer simple questions, you go into a frenzy of deep hatred and erroneously quote Scripture to validate your hatred. I repeat, GOODBYE!!!&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/#comment-496678" >Cal</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Goodbye Cal. Your blessings upon us in some of your previous comments are a farce. Don&#8217;t come back. You are merely heaping upon your head more and more coals of divine judgment. When you can&#8217;t answer simple questions, you go into a frenzy of deep hatred and erroneously quote Scripture to validate your hatred. I repeat, GOODBYE!!!</strong></p>
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		By: Cal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2021 05:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Lessing,
 
I only listen to the Lord and walk according to His Word.
I do not take to threats....I do not listen to liars, accusers of the brethren....manipulator&#039;s of the truth...who hide in the dark.....planning traps.....hypocrites.....
You have revealed your true colors…….
&lt;span&gt;&#160;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Pro 1:29&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&#160;For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: &lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Pro 1:30&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&#160;They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. &lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Pro 1:31&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&#160;Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;I pray the Lord to save you and forgive you your hatred for the truth and honesty.&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Lessing,</p>
<p>I only listen to the Lord and walk according to His Word.<br />
I do not take to threats&#8230;.I do not listen to liars, accusers of the brethren&#8230;.manipulator&#8217;s of the truth&#8230;who hide in the dark&#8230;..planning traps&#8230;..hypocrites&#8230;..<br />
You have revealed your true colors…….<br />
<span>&nbsp;</span><br />
<strong>Pro 1:29</strong><strong>&nbsp;For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: </strong><br />
<strong>Pro 1:30</strong><strong>&nbsp;They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. </strong><br />
<strong>Pro 1:31</strong><strong>&nbsp;Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices</strong></p>
<p><strong>I pray the Lord to save you and forgive you your hatred for the truth and honesty.</strong></p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2021 01:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/#comment-496676&quot;&gt;Cal&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;Listen carefully Cal. You don&#039;t make any demands on this site. You have the right to comment here but no demands. We had some technical problems with our site and lost some comments, one of which was yours. I am starting to think you cannot answer my questions. Indeed you can&#039;t because there is not a single verse in Scripture describing salvation as an invasion. You are wasting my time. Either you do or gracefully leave this site because you are deliberately making foxy dodgings. Now, either you show some respect for the Bible or you leave. It&#039;s your choice (pun intended).&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/#comment-496676" >Cal</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Listen carefully Cal. You don&#8217;t make any demands on this site. You have the right to comment here but no demands. We had some technical problems with our site and lost some comments, one of which was yours. I am starting to think you cannot answer my questions. Indeed you can&#8217;t because there is not a single verse in Scripture describing salvation as an invasion. You are wasting my time. Either you do or gracefully leave this site because you are deliberately making foxy dodgings. Now, either you show some respect for the Bible or you leave. It&#8217;s your choice (pun intended).</strong></p>
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		By: Cal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Lessing 

&lt;strong&gt;I have one question for you, show me a single verse in Scripture, where the word “a microcosm” is used in describing the marriage connection between Christ and all Holy Spirit redeemed believers?&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt; As I said in my last comment to you, nothing more will be discussed until you approve my comment, of the 28&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;th of&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt; Nov,2021, and deal with the issues stated.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;ql-cursor&quot;&gt;﻿&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;strong&gt; Thank you.&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Lessing </p>
<p><strong>I have one question for you, show me a single verse in Scripture, where the word “a microcosm” is used in describing the marriage connection between Christ and all Holy Spirit redeemed believers?</strong></p>
<p><strong> As I said in my last comment to you, nothing more will be discussed until you approve my comment, of the 28</strong><strong>th of</strong><strong> Nov,2021, and deal with the issues stated.</strong><br />
<strong><span class="ql-cursor">﻿</span></strong><br />
<strong> Thank you.</strong></p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2021 18:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/#comment-496674&quot;&gt;Cal&lt;/a&gt;.

I have one question for you. Show me a single verse in Scripture where the word &quot;invade&quot; is used in connection with salvation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/#comment-496674" >Cal</a>.</p>
<p>I have one question for you. Show me a single verse in Scripture where the word &#8220;invade&#8221; is used in connection with salvation.</p>
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		By: Cal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2021 16:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Lessing, 

I will reply to your last comment, of the 3rd of Dec, 2021 when you will &lt;strong&gt;&quot;approve my reply to your comment of the 28th of Nov 2021&quot; where you pointed out the meaning of the word &quot;Invade&quot;.  Here is a quote from your reply to me: &quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span&gt;. . . it has stayed so these last 43 years since the Lord came and invaded my life,&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span&gt;It reminds me so much of what Jesus says in&#160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Luke%2019.10&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Luke 19:10&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;span&gt;For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span&gt;Do you know what the word invade means? Here’s what the dictionary says: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Then you proceeded and gave the &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;definition&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;

I responded to you that you chose the last &quot;phrase&quot;: &quot;&lt;strong&gt;take over&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;strong&gt; (of a parasite or disease) spread into (an organism or bodily part).&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;strong&gt; “sometimes the worms invade the central nervous system”&lt;/strong&gt;

I stated that you only picked out the word that suited your mind-set against me, and I proceeded to tell you that the words, such as &lt;strong&gt;&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;occupy, conquer&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;strong&gt; capture, seize, take (over), and win&quot; were also representative of the Lord &quot;capturing my heart, occupying my life, He took over my life, He won my heart, by seizing it with granting me the gift of repentance and a new Spiritual birth&quot;.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;So the word &quot;invade&quot; has various representations of the meaning, both negative and positive.&lt;/strong&gt;

I also addressed you trying to accuse me of lusting in my heart with women.
I also addressed another false accusation that I was not saved, based on your unjust understanding of my testimony: &lt;strong&gt;&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I am sorry to tell you this, but the Jesus who invaded your life is not the real Jesus of the Bible. It is another Jesus because the real Jesus never invades people. He is not a virus. He saves those who know and realize they are lost sinners on their way to hell.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;span&gt;So I explained that I was a sinner, and I never denied it, and informed you that I know you read my testimony on my blog, which attests to that.  &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span&gt;Then I addressed how you again, falsely accused me of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;forbidding people to marry, speaking lies in hypocrisy, by using 1 Tim 4:1-3 as proof of your accusation against me.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;&#160;Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry,&#160;and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/1%20Tim%204.1-3&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1 Timothy 4:1-3&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;)&lt;/strong&gt;

I mentioned in that reply that I never forbid anyone from marrying, and gave details why. 
I also mentioned in that reply how the Love Of God is shed abroad in our hearts, by the Holy Spirit, and I gave scripture explaining from Song of Solomon.  &lt;strong&gt;&quot;I am sick of Love&quot;.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;So please once you &quot;approve&quot; that comment in reply to you, I shall then continue on with this discussion. What are you afraid of? Do you not desire your readers to see my just reply to you?&lt;/strong&gt;

Also you state in your last reply; &lt;strong&gt;&quot;If you do not agree, please say so in an honorable way with Scripture to support your view.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

I will ask you to please be specific in pointing out where I was not honorable in my replies to you......Our God is a God of specific&#039;s and not in generalities.....where I trespassed you need to point it out, so that I can ask the Lord about it, and where I need to confess and ask forgiveness, I will, but I await your response to the &quot;specific&#039;s&quot; where I was not honorable.

&lt;strong&gt;One question I need to ask of you, have you been honorable in a just manner in our conversations?  If so then why not approve all of my comments?   Our Lord desires that we present ALL things honestly and above board to all men, especially within the Body of Christ.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;span&gt;Thank you. &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Lessing, </p>
<p>I will reply to your last comment, of the 3rd of Dec, 2021 when you will <strong>&#8220;approve my reply to your comment of the 28th of Nov 2021&#8221; where you pointed out the meaning of the word &#8220;Invade&#8221;.  Here is a quote from your reply to me: &#8220;</strong><span>. . . it has stayed so these last 43 years since the Lord came and invaded my life,</span><br />
<span>It reminds me so much of what Jesus says in&nbsp;</span><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Luke%2019.10"  target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Luke 19:10</a><br />
<span>For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.</span><br />
<span>Do you know what the word invade means? Here’s what the dictionary says: </span><strong>Then you proceeded and gave the </strong><strong>definition</strong><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>I responded to you that you chose the last &#8220;phrase&#8221;: &#8220;<strong>take over</strong><br />
<strong> (of a parasite or disease) spread into (an organism or bodily part).</strong><br />
<strong> “sometimes the worms invade the central nervous system”</strong></p>
<p>I stated that you only picked out the word that suited your mind-set against me, and I proceeded to tell you that the words, such as <strong>&#8220;</strong><strong>occupy, conquer</strong><br />
<strong> capture, seize, take (over), and win&#8221; were also representative of the Lord &#8220;capturing my heart, occupying my life, He took over my life, He won my heart, by seizing it with granting me the gift of repentance and a new Spiritual birth&#8221;.</strong></p>
<p><strong>So the word &#8220;invade&#8221; has various representations of the meaning, both negative and positive.</strong></p>
<p>I also addressed you trying to accuse me of lusting in my heart with women.<br />
I also addressed another false accusation that I was not saved, based on your unjust understanding of my testimony: <strong>&#8220;</strong><strong>I am sorry to tell you this, but the Jesus who invaded your life is not the real Jesus of the Bible. It is another Jesus because the real Jesus never invades people. He is not a virus. He saves those who know and realize they are lost sinners on their way to hell.&#8221;</strong><br />
<span>So I explained that I was a sinner, and I never denied it, and informed you that I know you read my testimony on my blog, which attests to that.  </span><br />
<span>Then I addressed how you again, falsely accused me of </span><strong>&#8220;forbidding people to marry, speaking lies in hypocrisy, by using 1 Tim 4:1-3 as proof of your accusation against me.</strong><br />
<strong> </strong><br />
<strong>Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;&nbsp;Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry,&nbsp;and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (</strong><a href="https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/1%20Tim%204.1-3"  target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc"><strong>1 Timothy 4:1-3</strong></a><strong>)</strong></p>
<p>I mentioned in that reply that I never forbid anyone from marrying, and gave details why.<br />
I also mentioned in that reply how the Love Of God is shed abroad in our hearts, by the Holy Spirit, and I gave scripture explaining from Song of Solomon.  <strong>&#8220;I am sick of Love&#8221;.</strong></p>
<p><strong>So please once you &#8220;approve&#8221; that comment in reply to you, I shall then continue on with this discussion. What are you afraid of? Do you not desire your readers to see my just reply to you?</strong></p>
<p>Also you state in your last reply; <strong>&#8220;If you do not agree, please say so in an honorable way with Scripture to support your view.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>I will ask you to please be specific in pointing out where I was not honorable in my replies to you&#8230;&#8230;Our God is a God of specific&#8217;s and not in generalities&#8230;..where I trespassed you need to point it out, so that I can ask the Lord about it, and where I need to confess and ask forgiveness, I will, but I await your response to the &#8220;specific&#8217;s&#8221; where I was not honorable.</p>
<p><strong>One question I need to ask of you, have you been honorable in a just manner in our conversations?  If so then why not approve all of my comments?   Our Lord desires that we present ALL things honestly and above board to all men, especially within the Body of Christ.</strong></p>
<p><span>Thank you. </span><br />
<span> </span></p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2021 11:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/#comment-496671&quot;&gt;Cal&lt;/a&gt;.

Cal, you wrote,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I had relationships with my father and mother up to their deaths. The Lord knows I forgave them and informed them of the Gospel. I was explaining what happened because you were desiring to know if it was my self will to go into sin. I informed you of such, I have the copy, I saved it. And you then use it to ask if I have forgiven them….the public will see what I was dealing with…….out of everything mentioned in both comments, this is all you have to say………very sad…..&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am trying to understand. Was it the abuse of your father and mother who forced you into homosexuality, or was it your own choice to continue your lifestyle, even after their death? The reason why I ask is because of this:-

&lt;blockquote&gt;“Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16) 
The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.&quot; (Ezekiel 18:20)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This puts the view of generational curses to rest. 

Furthermore, your take on 1 Corinthians 14:33b-36 is off track. 1 Timothy 2:11-15 also enjoins women to be quiet in worship, in other words in a church assembly.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. (1 Co 14:34-35).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Did you notice that? &quot;The women are commanded to keep silence in the churches, not in their homes, Bible studies, or any other extra-churchy occasions. In our modern technological and digital age of communication, the Internet may be included in these extra churchy occasions. Look at the next sentence. &quot;but they are commanded to be under obedience . . .&quot; Obedience to whom or to what? Well, of course, the Law. Which Law? Which Law apart from the one given to children to honor their fathers and mothers which is the first commandment with a promise. (Ephesians 6:2), still needs to be adhered to, even to this day? 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. (Eph 5:22-24). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

It seems Paul was speaking to married women and not the unmarried ones. Marriage among believers, as you must know, is a microcosm of the marriage between Christ and all Bible-believing and Holy Spirit redeemed believers. The church being subject to Christ Jesus must of necessity also reflect this subjection in a marriage. Therefore, married women who had been divinely put in subjection to their husbands had to wait until they got home after church if the wife had any questions of a spiritual nature. Had she not obeyed and wilfully spoken in church, it would be a sure token that she rebelliously rejected God’s divine order in a marriage and that she was not submissive to her husband. In fact, it was seen as an act of dishonoring Christ and his own marital order of submission. 

If you do not agree, please say so in an honorable way with Scripture to support your view.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/#comment-496671" >Cal</a>.</p>
<p>Cal, you wrote,</p>
<blockquote><p>I had relationships with my father and mother up to their deaths. The Lord knows I forgave them and informed them of the Gospel. I was explaining what happened because you were desiring to know if it was my self will to go into sin. I informed you of such, I have the copy, I saved it. And you then use it to ask if I have forgiven them….the public will see what I was dealing with…….out of everything mentioned in both comments, this is all you have to say………very sad…..</p></blockquote>
<p>I am trying to understand. Was it the abuse of your father and mother who forced you into homosexuality, or was it your own choice to continue your lifestyle, even after their death? The reason why I ask is because of this:-</p>
<blockquote><p>“Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16)<br />
The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.&#8221; (Ezekiel 18:20)</p></blockquote>
<p>This puts the view of generational curses to rest. </p>
<p>Furthermore, your take on 1 Corinthians 14:33b-36 is off track. 1 Timothy 2:11-15 also enjoins women to be quiet in worship, in other words in a church assembly.</p>
<blockquote><p>Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. (1 Co 14:34-35).</p></blockquote>
<p>Did you notice that? &#8220;The women are commanded to keep silence in the churches, not in their homes, Bible studies, or any other extra-churchy occasions. In our modern technological and digital age of communication, the Internet may be included in these extra churchy occasions. Look at the next sentence. &#8220;but they are commanded to be under obedience . . .&#8221; Obedience to whom or to what? Well, of course, the Law. Which Law? Which Law apart from the one given to children to honor their fathers and mothers which is the first commandment with a promise. (Ephesians 6:2), still needs to be adhered to, even to this day? </p>
<blockquote><p>Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. (Eph 5:22-24). </p></blockquote>
<p>It seems Paul was speaking to married women and not the unmarried ones. Marriage among believers, as you must know, is a microcosm of the marriage between Christ and all Bible-believing and Holy Spirit redeemed believers. The church being subject to Christ Jesus must of necessity also reflect this subjection in a marriage. Therefore, married women who had been divinely put in subjection to their husbands had to wait until they got home after church if the wife had any questions of a spiritual nature. Had she not obeyed and wilfully spoken in church, it would be a sure token that she rebelliously rejected God’s divine order in a marriage and that she was not submissive to her husband. In fact, it was seen as an act of dishonoring Christ and his own marital order of submission. </p>
<p>If you do not agree, please say so in an honorable way with Scripture to support your view.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Lessing,


I was not showing hatred towards you, your discernment is found wanting.
You are being deflective, I know what I wrote, there was no hatred, obviously you did not want to answer any of the questions, so you deflect your guilt trying to falsely accuse me of wrong. That is what guile represents......
I had relationships with my father and mother up to their deaths.  The Lord knows I forgave them and informed them of the Gospel
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I was explaining what happened because you were desiring to know if it was my self will to go into sin.  I informed you of such, I have the copy, I saved it.  And you then use it to ask if I have forgiven them....the public will see what I was dealing with.......out of everything mentioned in both comments, this is all you have to say.........very sad.....

You are being dishonest in righteous judgement, those who do not desire to face the truth always, evade the issues, and then blame those who are representing the truth, because you do not like it.  It&#039;s called denial, and typical of those who do not walk after the Spirit, but their sinful flesh.

The Lord knows all things.

The truth is offensive, and it is meant to be.  The truth always reveals by the Spirit those who do not walk in it. That is what hate looks like, hate for the truth.

I want to let you know I have copied all my comments, and your replies to me, and the last comment you unjustly deleted, but I have a copy of it.
I will be writing about your web-site, and will reveal how you treated our conversation. It will be posted in the future, people will see that it comes from your DTW.

This comment will be included, so it will not matter if you do not approve it.

I was hoping you were taking your time to seek the Lord regarding your response, but you have not, it&#039;s obvious by your last false accusation towards me.
Since you&#039;ve done this to me in public, I also have to rebuke you both publicly from my blog.....

The Lord says:

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;Mat 5:44&#160;But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;&#160;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;Luk_6:28&#160;Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.&#160;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

I forgive you, the dishonesty you have handled me with, and the false accusations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Lessing,</p>
<p>I was not showing hatred towards you, your discernment is found wanting.<br />
You are being deflective, I know what I wrote, there was no hatred, obviously you did not want to answer any of the questions, so you deflect your guilt trying to falsely accuse me of wrong. That is what guile represents&#8230;&#8230;<br />
I had relationships with my father and mother up to their deaths.  The Lord knows I forgave them and informed them of the Gospel<br />
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I was explaining what happened because you were desiring to know if it was my self will to go into sin.  I informed you of such, I have the copy, I saved it.  And you then use it to ask if I have forgiven them&#8230;.the public will see what I was dealing with&#8230;&#8230;.out of everything mentioned in both comments, this is all you have to say&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;very sad&#8230;..</p>
<p>You are being dishonest in righteous judgement, those who do not desire to face the truth always, evade the issues, and then blame those who are representing the truth, because you do not like it.  It&#8217;s called denial, and typical of those who do not walk after the Spirit, but their sinful flesh.</p>
<p>The Lord knows all things.</p>
<p>The truth is offensive, and it is meant to be.  The truth always reveals by the Spirit those who do not walk in it. That is what hate looks like, hate for the truth.</p>
<p>I want to let you know I have copied all my comments, and your replies to me, and the last comment you unjustly deleted, but I have a copy of it.<br />
I will be writing about your web-site, and will reveal how you treated our conversation. It will be posted in the future, people will see that it comes from your DTW.</p>
<p>This comment will be included, so it will not matter if you do not approve it.</p>
<p>I was hoping you were taking your time to seek the Lord regarding your response, but you have not, it&#8217;s obvious by your last false accusation towards me.<br />
Since you&#8217;ve done this to me in public, I also have to rebuke you both publicly from my blog&#8230;..</p>
<p>The Lord says:</p>
<p><strong><u>Mat 5:44&nbsp;But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;&nbsp;</u></strong><br />
<strong><u>Luk_6:28&nbsp;Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.&nbsp;</u></strong></p>
<p>I forgive you, the dishonesty you have handled me with, and the false accusations.</p>
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Cal, you are pouring out your insidious hatred on us while you need to forgive your father, mother, and all those who abused you. Have you done it yet?]]></description>
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<p>Cal, you are pouring out your insidious hatred on us while you need to forgive your father, mother, and all those who abused you. Have you done it yet?</p>
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