What does the Bible say about Mary, Queen of Heaven?
Jeremiah 7:18 (Amplified Bible)
“18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead the dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger!
Queen of Heaven – A goddess of fertility, probably the Babylonian title for Ishtar. She is identified with the planet Venus. Offerings to this goddess included cakes made in the shape of a star (Jerermiah. 44:17-19).
Jeremiah 44:25 (Amplified Bible)
“25Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: You and your wives have both declared with your mouths and fulfilled it with your hands, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed to burn incense to the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings to her. [Surely] then confirm your vows and [surely] perform your vows! [If you will defy all My warnings to you, then, by all means, go ahead!]”
The Queen of Heaven in the bible is a Babylonian goddess whom people worshiped. She has been incarnated to Roman Catholicism under the name ‘Mary’, Mary, Queen of Heaven. Many Catholics would deny that Mary worship is part of Catholicism but unfortunately this is not true as she holds a special place in the hearts of many.
All over the world, Catholics have one celebration after the next dedicated to Mary, the Queen of Heaven. Everything that is done for the Queen of Heaven is sinful; baking a cake, observing Lent, lighting a candle, or burning incense. God abhors idolatry, and worshiping the Queen of Heaven is a damnable heresy. God is clear that idolatry provokes Him to anger as seen in Jeremiah 7:18.
Isaiah 42:8 (Amplified Bible)
8I am the Lord; that is My name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images.
In revelations, Mary, Queen of Heaven is Rome:
Revelation 18:1,7,14-17 (Amplified Bible)
1After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2With a mighty voice he shouted: “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evilspirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird. 3For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
7Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, ‘I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.’
14“They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.’ 15The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn16and cry out: ” ‘Woe! Woe, O great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls! 17In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!
But Jeremiah is not the only time the Queen of Heaven is mentioned:
Isaiah 47:5 (Amplified Bible)
5 “Sit in silence, go into darkness, Daughter of the Babylonians; no more will you be called queen of kingdoms
Lamentations 1:1 (Amplified Bible)
1 How deserted lies the city, once so full of people! How like a widow is she, who once was great among the nations! She who was queen among the provinces has now become a slave.
This is what Mary, Babylonian Queen of Heaven, Queen of Kingdoms had to say to a Dutch lady by the name of Ida Peerdeman back in November 16, 1950/1 :
Prayer for the world:
Lady of all Nations
“Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Father send now Your Spirit over the earth. Let the Holy Spirit live in the hearts of all nations that they may be preserved from degeneration, disaster and war. May the Lady of all Nations, who once was Mary, be our Advocate. Amen.”
“Now the moment has come for you to speak about Mary as Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate under the title of the Lady of all Nations (“Co” meaning companion, co-operating with but subjugated and not equal to the Redeemer. This must be duly stressed). She later added: “It may be asked why this title is not mentioned in the messages of the first five years. It is because the dogma of the Assumption had to come first.”
In April of that year, 1951, she added:
“The new dogma will be the dogma of the Co-redemptrix. I emphasize ‘Co’. I have already said how much controversy this dogma would arouse. The Church of Rome will have a long struggle over it, but will finally proclaim it. The image and its dissemination – this is the prerequisite to the dogma. This image will be the emblem of the Co-redemptrix. The Lady, Mother, has suffered the sufferings of the Son, both spiritual and corporal.”
She later explained to Ida: “By the will of the Father, the Redeemer came into the world. For that, the Father had recourse to the Lady. From the Lady, and from her alone, the Redeemer took flesh and blood; that is to say, His body. From my Lord and Master, the Redeemer received His divinity. In this way the Lady became the Co-redemptrix by the will of the Father. I do not come to bring any new doctrine. The doctrine already exists. Say this to your theologians: ‘Already from the beginning, she was Co-redemptrix. …That is why the Lady of all Nations has been compelled to come now, in these present times, for she is the Immaculate Conception and, as a consequence of this, the Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate. These three are but one.” —http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/marian/loan/loan.htm
On May 31, 1996 Bishop Henrik Bomers and his auxiliary Bishop Josef Punt officially approved veneration of Mary under the tile of Our Lady of All Nations.
Lady of All Nations Prayer Day 2010 – Amsterdam
Mary has appeared under many names over the centuries, here are but a few:
Mary, Queen of Heaven (Rome)
Arianrhod (Welsh) Goddess of fertility
Aprodite (Greek) Goddess of fertility
Ashteroth (Phoenicians and Canaanites) Goddess of fertility
Astarte (Eastern Mediterranean/Bronze Age) Goddess of fertility
Anahita (Persian) Goddess of fertility
Anu (Celtic) Goddess of fertility
Aveta (Gaulish) Goddess of fertility
Brigit (Irish) Goddess of fertility
Ceres (Rome) Goddess of fertility
Corn Mother (Native American) Earth Goddess/Goddess of fertility
Cybele (Rome) Goddess of fertility
Demeter (Greek) Goddess of fertility
Freya (Scandinavian) Goddess of fertility
Frigg (Scandinavian) Goddess of fertility
Gaia (Greek) Mother goddess
Hathor (Egyptian) Goddess of fertility
Haumea (Hawaiian) Mother goddess
Inanna (Sumerian) Goddess of fertility
Ishtar (Babylonian/Assyrian) Goddess of fertility
Isis (Egyptian) Goddess of fertility
Juno (Rome) Goddess of fertility
Kali (Indian) – Black earth mother/Goddess of fertility
Kostroma (Slavic) Goddess of fertility
Mylitta (Sumerian) Goddess of fertility
Oshun (Afro/Cuban) Goddess of fertility
Rainbow Snake (Aborigine) – Earth Goddess/Goddess of fertility
Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article.
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7Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, ’I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.’—- The protestant(french for protester) queen of england, puppet of The dragon( The Judeo Mason Crown) that wags the beast, masonic republic of USA, false prophet is pig of islam!!!!
[In response to someone who begged him (Saint Pius X) to “go soft” on the Modernists, He retorted]: “Kindness is for fools! They want them to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses but they ought to be beaten with fists! In a duel you don’t count or measure the blows, you strike as you can! War is not made with charity, it is a struggle a duel. If Our Lord were not terrible he would not have given an example in this too. See how he treated the Philistines, the sowers of error, the wolves in sheep’s clothing, the traitors in the temple. He scourged them with whips!”
You are my very first stalker you know that? borderline psychotic but most definitely a stalker. How many times do you comment a day hoping to see if I have removed the blacklist from your name? Well too day was your lucky day, you must have been praying night and day to your little pocket sized Mary action figurine/statuette with push buttons (like Buzz Light Year from the cartoon Toy Story) LOL.
The woman clothed with the sun, Mary Mother of Jesus . I feel sorry for you prostants, you say you love our book, The bible, but you don’t understand it. Their is only one church started by Jesus, The catholic Church, the rest were founded by men.
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
so be it if jesus judges the queen of heaven as a whore mary mother of jesus god chose for her blessed womb to carry his son and to nurture him and then to loose him god had to bless her more than others to be able to bare this this is a heavy cross in itself to carry she must love hers and gods son so much and to dispute gods choice in this matter speaks for itself and maybe jesus did not wish his blessed mother to be profained and then she no doubt would put others before him however i say never she prays for him and others constantly no doubt
The Mary of the bible and the Mary of the Catholic religion are TWO DIFFERENT persona! The Mary of the Bible is the Mother of Jesus, the Mary of the Catholic faith is the Queen of Heaven an incarnation of ISIS a satanic goddess.
mom4truth wrote:
>>My family prays every night for Africa that the Word of Truth would be brought there in the midst of all the deception thanks to all of the apostate/emergent ministries that are there teaching the false gospel.
Deborah wrote:
>>The rest of Africa is dark and painful. The mind boggles at what goes on in Africa. Witchcraft interlaces everything in Africa.
Your diagnostic couldn’t be more accurate.
I come from this dark and painful Africa (I immigrated to North America 13 years ago). Oh! Africa! Africa! Africa! Why has Satan singled you out so much! My heart aches for this dear Africa.
I gave my life to Christ 20 years ago and joined a denomination called CMFI. Well, God got me and my family out of there last year after I realised with horror what a man centered cult I’ve been in all the while. We have been deceived and brainwashed into blindly following a man who turned out to be apostate.
See my first post on my blog: [removed]
Today I concur with you (Deborah) that to the best of my knowledge, almost all of what is called “evangelical christianity” (that is, RC aside, which we all know is from Hell) in this dark and painful Africa is corrupted, apostate, tainted with witchcraft and superstition.
I am shocked and appaled. And they have “exported” it all over the world with their diaspora.
One example is the Nigeria-based Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG) with their General Overseer E.A. Adeboye.
This man joins hands with antichrists in promoting worldwide religious ecumenism and promoting the coming one world religion under the NWO.
See on their web site: http://rccgna.org/InTheNews/tabid/86/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/18/Religious-Leaders-Seek-Formal-UN-Recognition.aspx
The caption under the picture at the end of the article reads:
“Men of God and Good Will: Rabbi Dr.Elie Abadie, Chief Rabbi of
the Edmond J. Safra Synagogue in New York (right), the Grand Mufti of Bosnia
Herzeboviona, Dr. Mustafa Ceric at the United Nations and
Pastor Enoch Adeboye, General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church
of God joined hands and hearts at an international conference of religious
leaders at the United Nations.”
“MEN OF GOD”? Well, this E.A. Adeboye can only be an antichirst himself, unless he exposes, denounces and rejects such associations. Will he?
Well, his following numbers by the millions worldwide. He is another false prophet and false teacher of these end-times.
Please keep on praying for Africa. God has not given her up. I am one of the remnants that God is plucking out of there. I too have lost almost all my friends of the past 20 years, and part of my family as well.
1Ki 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
1Ki 19:15 And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria:
1Ki 19:16 And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abelmeholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room.
1Ki 19:17 And it shall come to pass, that him that escapeth the sword of Hazael shall Jehu slay: and him that escapeth from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha slay.
1Ki 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
Where I live here in the USA there is this little tiny catholic church called,
Mary Queen of Heaven Church. It makes me sick every time I see it. I get up set also when I see pictures of Mary and Jesus is either a baby or a small boy. She gets the preeminence. That is Blasphemy! Every Pope, every Catholic Priest, anyone who bows down to a picture or statue of Mary commits Blasphemy. Even when Jesus was here on earth he faced a situation where someone tried to praise His mother.
Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Luke 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
I am sorry but I am Catholic. I honor Mary as the mother of Jesus. He gave his mother to John at the cross. Jesus gave us his mother. I do not worship Mary!! She carried the Son-of-God for goodness sakes. She is pure and holy because God needed a holy woman to carry Jesus which is why she was born Immacuate no stain of sin was in her so that she could carry the most holy of holies the word of God made flesh. Many times I have prayed and not had my prayers answered. But when I ask Jesus mother if she could please bring my prayer to Jesus if it is His will he will answer them. My daughter was very ill for months. I finally ask Mary if she could ask her son to heal her. So guess what she was. Jesus listen to his mother and anwered my pray. You see at the time my daugher fell ill I was living a life in sin. One weekend I prayed for Mary to please help me. I had an over night conversion from not having Jesus trylly in my heart to accepting Him as my Lord and Saviour. He came into my life only affter I pleading with His mother to help me. Instead of putting down my relgion maybe you need to try it yourself. Why do you think the devil hates the Catholic Church so much. He has said in many deliverences from priest praying on someone that he hates Mary who has that chain which is the Rosary. A prayer of all the mysteries in the Bible on the life of Jesus. The devil hates our Religon because it is the true church. I have seen people healed from many things because of my faith. I myself have felt evil spirits around me and prayed to Mary to help these evil spirits go away. I plead the precious blood of Jesus for me. So until you try my faith and see what happens don’t spread your lies. I don’t put anyone else Religion down or judge not my place to judge so I stop judging my Faith as a Catholic. I love God our Father with all my heart and soul and Jesus as my Savior but I will honor His Mother until the day I die. You want to know how I got the fire of the Holy Spirit by praying to the Holy Spirit. The I now have the gift of the Holy Spirit to heal people, whether it is their mind, body or soul. They feel the heat from my hands and I don’t have to touch them. I just put my hands near them and they feel the heat. Some I have taken their pain away. All through Jesus not me. I am just His instrument a Disciple of His, yes as a Catholic. Yes the Holy Spirit lives in everyone, but if your body is not clean of sin you will feel not the Holy Spirit in you. I did not feel the Holy Spirit until began confessing my sins and yes to a priest and at night when I make an examination of consciense. As for speaking in tongues, it is in the Bible. The Holy Spirit sends us the gifts because God desires us to have them to edify us to Him build His Kingdom on earth. God said in the last days children and men will have and dreams in the Biblical times. I don’t not use any New age stuff!! I will pray for you all that are deceived as you claim we Catholics are. And who are you to say what is wrong are right are you God? Only God can do that. I will respect your beliefs but do not teach something that you do not personally know about. So many people want to put down the Cathoilc Church like their church is perfect and is the right church. What matters is that we belive in one God and His son our Lord Jesus Christ. You should be praying for people along with all the different denominations instead of putting down other peoples Religon. You don’t like my Catholic Faith then move on and leave us alone. May God be with all of you and have a blessed day in The Lord! AMEN!!!
I am also sorry that you are Catholic, but you don’t have to remain a Catholic for the rest of your life. There are many ex-Catholics whose eyes were opened to the heresies of Roman Catholicism and have since been truly saved.
If Mary was immaculately conceived, as you believe, then Jesus is a liar who said: “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23) and “For God hath concluded them all (Jews and Gentiles; Mary was a Jew from the tribe of Judah) in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.” (Rom 11:32). Even Mary would have been a liar who admitted that Jesus was her Saviour: “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.” (Luke 1:46-47)
You wrote:
Many times I have prayed and not had my prayers answered. But when I ask Jesus mother if she could please bring my prayer to Jesus if it is His will he will answer them. My daughter was very ill for months. I finally ask Mary if she could ask her son to heal her. So guess what she was. Jesus listen to his mother and anwered my pray.
Why did the sick people go directly to Jesus and ask Him for their healing when He was still on earth and not to Mary? There is not a single instance in the Bible where people went to Mary first and asked her to plead with Jesus to heal them.
If you don’t worship Mary why do you pray the following prayers,
In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee do I entrust my soul…. For, if thou protect me, dear Mother, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my Judge himself, because by one prayer from thee, he will be appeased. But one thing I fear; that, in the hour of temptation, I may neglect to call on thee, and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, then, the pardon of my sins…. (One of many prayers in the popular booklet Devotions in Honor of Our Mother of Perpetual Help).
As we have access to the Eternal Father only through Jesus Christ, so have we access to Jesus Christ only through Mary. By thee we have access to the Son, 0 blessed finder of grace, bearer of life, and mother of salvation…. (St. Bernard)
If Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour, why do you honor Mary as being the one in whom you place your eternal salvation and entrust your soul? Paul warns that you should examine yourself, to see whether you are truly in the faith and not a reprobate (2 Corinthians 13:5).
We are not judging you or your faith. We are merely being obedient to Jesus (and not Mary) who warned us to take heed that no man deceive us (Matthew 24:4) and that we should always first test the spirits to see whether they are from God (1 John 4:1).
Came across BL (now renamed something else) elsewhere. Same conversation as above. Same rejection. It reminded me of this conversation, Debs. My eyes filled with tears as I read your words again. I am thankful for this dialogue, even four years later. Hope you’re still on the narrow(ing) path, my friend.
Yes she dumped me in a ditch after Thomas joined DTW. She could not handle Thomas speaking the truth to her. I am happy you are still around mom, I have missed you.
Just got on this bit of DTW.
It’s sad to read the retorts aimed at you, Debs.
I went to Catholic schools but was fortunate, when I was a child, that Scotland was Protestant. The practising Protestants then knew their Bibles. Lots of them knew things about Catholicism that I didn’t know, such as the Crusades, the Inquisition and so on. I was never taught those things at my Catholic schools.
I was appalled as I read, when an adult, of the Crusades and the Inquisition. And the historians of the Inquisition (and, of course, the Crusades) dealt in hard facts. One of the best historians of the Inquisition I can think of was Jean Plaidy. She deals entirely in facts, as any objective historian does, and her objectivity throughout here writngs on the Inquisition is obvious. Catholic historians are invariable subjective. That is not a criticism it is a fact. Actually we only have to read the emotionalism of the replies to you, Debs, from the Catholics above.
A friend of mine who was totally secular, called me a bigot because I told him that Catholics don’t believe the Bible (and Unam Sanctam, isn’t bigoted)! He seemed to be of the opinion that the Vatican merely interpreted the Bible diffently from Protestant interpretation.
Some time later, we were at a Catholic friend’s home and I happened to mention in a discussion that Mary was not an eternal virgin and that Jesus, her firstborn ,was the only One conceived of as a virgin. My secular (originally “Protestant”) friend admitted that he didn’t know that. I told him it was in the Bible and he was okay with that, knowing at that time I was often reading the Bible.
Our Catholic friend was furious and leapt up to his bookcase and extracted a Bible and shouted, “Show me then!” (Or some like expression.) I had been reading those texts earlier so I read out one of them where it even mentions the names of Jesus’ brothers (I can’t remember which one but it may have been Mark 3:31-35, where Jesus’ makes it clear that His mother has no pre-eminence over any other of His followers. It could even have been Mark 6:3 where it mentions Jesus’ half brothers–James, Joses, Judah and Simon and also says “..and are not His sisters here with us?” Actually, there is another Scripture that says “and ALL his sisters.”)
I said to my Catholic friend, on showing him the relevant Scripture, “There it is.”
He shouted back at me. “Then it’s wrong! It’s wrong!”
“I see,” I said so the Bible is wrong?”
“Yes,” he shouted.
It proved my point to my secular friend that Catholics do NOT believe in the Bible totally.
Another time, my Catholic friend astonished my wife by telling her that he thought it would be a good thing if I were to be burnt at the stake. My wife was horrified and she told me. I said that it was not because he hated me, but because he really liked me, that he thought my being incinerated would be a good thing.
Had I been burned at the stake then there could have been some hope of me atoning for my heresy and getting into heaven.
Sadly for Catholic people, they have no assurance of heaven. The Vatican denounces such a thing clearly. The Council of Trent declares that a “believer’s assurance of the pardon of sins is a vain and ungodly confidence.” The famous Jesuit, Cardinal Bellarmine called it, “…a prime error of heretics.”
Yet the penitent thief on the Cross had it [Luke 23:42] and the Lord said to him, “I tell you this, today you will be with me in paradise.” Paul, had it [2 Timothy 1:12]; Stephen had it [Acts 7:56], and so did other saints. Even Job during his terrible tribulations [Job 13:15; 19:25] had complete assurance.
It is sad that any relgious dogmas can deprive people of what God has promised. Yet, those who take Jesus at His Word are called heretics by Rome and and countless thousands were burned at the stake for their “heresies”. How is burning someone at the stake “doing unto others as we would be done by”?
I have known many nominal Catholics and they are, humanly speaking, nice people. But all people unless they are sinners saved by Grace, are still sinners.
My problem with true, practising Catholics is their god is their religion, not God. Sadly, they are not the only people who make their religion their god. All who do are unfortunately, and plainly, idolators.
Yes, sorry I never told you I was very upset about the whole ordeal and it’s taken some time to recover from losing her as a friend. But when I look back now and I see the bigger picture all of a sudden other things started to jump out at me regarding what she believes – especially the fact that she is linked to Calvary Chapel and thinks they actually do good. The church she goes too might preach the truth, but the organisation as a whole does not and she can’t see that. And then the biggest problem she has was with Thomas, I was shattered by her treatment of him, she insisted Thomas would ruin DTW, I told her how to take a long walk off a short plank. I love Thomas, he is not perfect, not of us are but I know Thomas and what Thomas brings DTW is something seriously Holy Spirit inspired.
At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge. (2 Timothy 4:16)
Family, friends and so-called brethren who turn their back on you is nothing new. My wife had many friends who she no longer hears from or sees because I warned them against the heresies they cling to. My daughter who was once in bondage to the WOF movement (Joyce Meyer in particular) was asked to leave the women’s connect group of a church in Holland because God had opened her eyes to the extreme dangers in the WO[L]F Movement. They now hate her guts.
My own son and his wife are caught up in the satanic lies of the WO[L]F Movement and have just about cast their parents out. We only see or hear from them when one of us celebrate our birthday. Why? Because that’s the right thing to do when they want to pacify their conscience. “Oh, we’ve done our duty” kind of thing. It reminds me of the infamous “Corban” law of the Pharisees.
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. (Mark 7:9-11)
Following Jesus as He wants you to follow Him and not the way you think you want to follow Him, is going to cost you. That’s why He said:
And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. (Matthew 10:36-38)
Don’t be surprised when (not if) more of your so-called brethren turn their backs on you. It is inevitable.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. (Matthew 12:48-50).
What is his will? That we be sanctified through his TRUTH, his Word is his TRUTH. (John 17:17)
Your friend that has “gone Messianic” may have found a closer link to “the faith once delivered” than you may realize. Sure there are some pit-falls there but my experience (7+ years) of intense Bible study has shown me the many errors in Protestant Christianity. A better route may be in the Hebraic Perspective of the Christian religion. The term “Christian” was originally a slander against the early believers in Messiah Yeshua (Jesus). We are to JUDGE with righteous judgment based on the Word of God. There are a few good websites that properly explain the Hebraic Perspective, Refiner’s fire and The Seed of Abraham (.net) are two excellent sites.
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7Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, ’I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.’—- The protestant(french for protester) queen of england, puppet of The dragon( The Judeo Mason Crown) that wags the beast, masonic republic of USA, false prophet is pig of islam!!!!
Avril p. Joseph L’Heureux
What a nice person you are – sounds like satan speaking.
you believe yourself worthy of any other treatment heretic? you may deceive yourself, you may deceive others but We know what you truly are….
You Insult The Church of Christ—- you are the anti-Christ in this conversation.
[In response to someone who begged him (Saint Pius X) to “go soft” on the Modernists, He retorted]: “Kindness is for fools! They want them to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses but they ought to be beaten with fists! In a duel you don’t count or measure the blows, you strike as you can! War is not made with charity, it is a struggle a duel. If Our Lord were not terrible he would not have given an example in this too. See how he treated the Philistines, the sowers of error, the wolves in sheep’s clothing, the traitors in the temple. He scourged them with whips!”
Avril p. Joseph L’Heureux
Definitely Satan speaking.
you belong to this cult, protestant cultist of satan….
http://blog.californiapsychics.com/blog/2010/12/prince-william-and-kate-middleton-where-the-sun-and-moon-meet.html/
Avril
You are my very first stalker you know that? borderline psychotic but most definitely a stalker. How many times do you comment a day hoping to see if I have removed the blacklist from your name? Well too day was your lucky day, you must have been praying night and day to your little pocket sized Mary action figurine/statuette with push buttons (like Buzz Light Year from the cartoon Toy Story) LOL.
Oh sighs…. what a joke.
Laugh, laughy, laugh, laugh, laughy, laugh, laugh.
LOL just wouldn’t do!
Hillllllllllarious!
I agree – you outdid yourself there Debs – ROFL – what a mental image!! But you forgot the rosary……………perhaps neon glow in the dark?
BL
LOL, yeah, a neon glow in the dark rosary.
The woman clothed with the sun, Mary Mother of Jesus . I feel sorry for you prostants, you say you love our book, The bible, but you don’t understand it. Their is only one church started by Jesus, The catholic Church, the rest were founded by men.
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Debs, any scripture re the deaf and dumb?
I THINK THE BOOK THE TWO BABYLONS IS RIGHT THE CATHOLIC SYSTEM IS THE BABYLONIAN RELIGIOUS SYSTEM SET UP BY NIMRODS MOTHER
so be it if jesus judges the queen of heaven as a whore mary mother of jesus god chose for her blessed womb to carry his son and to nurture him and then to loose him god had to bless her more than others to be able to bare this this is a heavy cross in itself to carry she must love hers and gods son so much and to dispute gods choice in this matter speaks for itself and maybe jesus did not wish his blessed mother to be profained and then she no doubt would put others before him however i say never she prays for him and others constantly no doubt
isabelle
The Mary of the bible and the Mary of the Catholic religion are TWO DIFFERENT persona! The Mary of the Bible is the Mother of Jesus, the Mary of the Catholic faith is the Queen of Heaven an incarnation of ISIS a satanic goddess.
if jesus is king mary is quen if jesus is god mary is the mother of god
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camargo
As great as your little equation sounds, God does not have a mother.
mom4truth wrote:
>>My family prays every night for Africa that the Word of Truth would be brought there in the midst of all the deception thanks to all of the apostate/emergent ministries that are there teaching the false gospel.
Deborah wrote:
>>The rest of Africa is dark and painful. The mind boggles at what goes on in Africa. Witchcraft interlaces everything in Africa.
Your diagnostic couldn’t be more accurate.
I come from this dark and painful Africa (I immigrated to North America 13 years ago). Oh! Africa! Africa! Africa! Why has Satan singled you out so much! My heart aches for this dear Africa.
I gave my life to Christ 20 years ago and joined a denomination called CMFI. Well, God got me and my family out of there last year after I realised with horror what a man centered cult I’ve been in all the while. We have been deceived and brainwashed into blindly following a man who turned out to be apostate.
See my first post on my blog: [removed]
Today I concur with you (Deborah) that to the best of my knowledge, almost all of what is called “evangelical christianity” (that is, RC aside, which we all know is from Hell) in this dark and painful Africa is corrupted, apostate, tainted with witchcraft and superstition.
I am shocked and appaled. And they have “exported” it all over the world with their diaspora.
One example is the Nigeria-based Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG) with their General Overseer E.A. Adeboye.
This man joins hands with antichrists in promoting worldwide religious ecumenism and promoting the coming one world religion under the NWO.
See on their web site: http://rccgna.org/InTheNews/tabid/86/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/18/Religious-Leaders-Seek-Formal-UN-Recognition.aspx
The caption under the picture at the end of the article reads:
“Men of God and Good Will: Rabbi Dr.Elie Abadie, Chief Rabbi of
the Edmond J. Safra Synagogue in New York (right), the Grand Mufti of Bosnia
Herzeboviona, Dr. Mustafa Ceric at the United Nations and
Pastor Enoch Adeboye, General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church
of God joined hands and hearts at an international conference of religious
leaders at the United Nations.”
“MEN OF GOD”? Well, this E.A. Adeboye can only be an antichirst himself, unless he exposes, denounces and rejects such associations. Will he?
Well, his following numbers by the millions worldwide. He is another false prophet and false teacher of these end-times.
Please keep on praying for Africa. God has not given her up. I am one of the remnants that God is plucking out of there. I too have lost almost all my friends of the past 20 years, and part of my family as well.
1Ki 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
1Ki 19:15 And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria:
1Ki 19:16 And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abelmeholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room.
1Ki 19:17 And it shall come to pass, that him that escapeth the sword of Hazael shall Jehu slay: and him that escapeth from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha slay.
1Ki 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
Where I live here in the USA there is this little tiny catholic church called,
Mary Queen of Heaven Church. It makes me sick every time I see it. I get up set also when I see pictures of Mary and Jesus is either a baby or a small boy. She gets the preeminence. That is Blasphemy! Every Pope, every Catholic Priest, anyone who bows down to a picture or statue of Mary commits Blasphemy. Even when Jesus was here on earth he faced a situation where someone tried to praise His mother.
Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Luke 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
I find that very interesting.
I am sorry but I am Catholic. I honor Mary as the mother of Jesus. He gave his mother to John at the cross. Jesus gave us his mother. I do not worship Mary!! She carried the Son-of-God for goodness sakes. She is pure and holy because God needed a holy woman to carry Jesus which is why she was born Immacuate no stain of sin was in her so that she could carry the most holy of holies the word of God made flesh. Many times I have prayed and not had my prayers answered. But when I ask Jesus mother if she could please bring my prayer to Jesus if it is His will he will answer them. My daughter was very ill for months. I finally ask Mary if she could ask her son to heal her. So guess what she was. Jesus listen to his mother and anwered my pray. You see at the time my daugher fell ill I was living a life in sin. One weekend I prayed for Mary to please help me. I had an over night conversion from not having Jesus trylly in my heart to accepting Him as my Lord and Saviour. He came into my life only affter I pleading with His mother to help me. Instead of putting down my relgion maybe you need to try it yourself. Why do you think the devil hates the Catholic Church so much. He has said in many deliverences from priest praying on someone that he hates Mary who has that chain which is the Rosary. A prayer of all the mysteries in the Bible on the life of Jesus. The devil hates our Religon because it is the true church. I have seen people healed from many things because of my faith. I myself have felt evil spirits around me and prayed to Mary to help these evil spirits go away. I plead the precious blood of Jesus for me. So until you try my faith and see what happens don’t spread your lies. I don’t put anyone else Religion down or judge not my place to judge so I stop judging my Faith as a Catholic. I love God our Father with all my heart and soul and Jesus as my Savior but I will honor His Mother until the day I die. You want to know how I got the fire of the Holy Spirit by praying to the Holy Spirit. The I now have the gift of the Holy Spirit to heal people, whether it is their mind, body or soul. They feel the heat from my hands and I don’t have to touch them. I just put my hands near them and they feel the heat. Some I have taken their pain away. All through Jesus not me. I am just His instrument a Disciple of His, yes as a Catholic. Yes the Holy Spirit lives in everyone, but if your body is not clean of sin you will feel not the Holy Spirit in you. I did not feel the Holy Spirit until began confessing my sins and yes to a priest and at night when I make an examination of consciense. As for speaking in tongues, it is in the Bible. The Holy Spirit sends us the gifts because God desires us to have them to edify us to Him build His Kingdom on earth. God said in the last days children and men will have and dreams in the Biblical times. I don’t not use any New age stuff!! I will pray for you all that are deceived as you claim we Catholics are. And who are you to say what is wrong are right are you God? Only God can do that. I will respect your beliefs but do not teach something that you do not personally know about. So many people want to put down the Cathoilc Church like their church is perfect and is the right church. What matters is that we belive in one God and His son our Lord Jesus Christ. You should be praying for people along with all the different denominations instead of putting down other peoples Religon. You don’t like my Catholic Faith then move on and leave us alone. May God be with all of you and have a blessed day in The Lord! AMEN!!!
Janet LeBoeuf,
I am also sorry that you are Catholic, but you don’t have to remain a Catholic for the rest of your life. There are many ex-Catholics whose eyes were opened to the heresies of Roman Catholicism and have since been truly saved.
If Mary was immaculately conceived, as you believe, then Jesus is a liar who said: “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23) and “For God hath concluded them all (Jews and Gentiles; Mary was a Jew from the tribe of Judah) in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.” (Rom 11:32). Even Mary would have been a liar who admitted that Jesus was her Saviour: “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.” (Luke 1:46-47)
You wrote:
Why did the sick people go directly to Jesus and ask Him for their healing when He was still on earth and not to Mary? There is not a single instance in the Bible where people went to Mary first and asked her to plead with Jesus to heal them.
If you don’t worship Mary why do you pray the following prayers,
If Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour, why do you honor Mary as being the one in whom you place your eternal salvation and entrust your soul? Paul warns that you should examine yourself, to see whether you are truly in the faith and not a reprobate (2 Corinthians 13:5).
We are not judging you or your faith. We are merely being obedient to Jesus (and not Mary) who warned us to take heed that no man deceive us (Matthew 24:4) and that we should always first test the spirits to see whether they are from God (1 John 4:1).
I urge you to read this:
http://www.endtimescoming.com
Came across BL (now renamed something else) elsewhere. Same conversation as above. Same rejection. It reminded me of this conversation, Debs. My eyes filled with tears as I read your words again. I am thankful for this dialogue, even four years later. Hope you’re still on the narrow(ing) path, my friend.
mom4truth
Yes she dumped me in a ditch after Thomas joined DTW. She could not handle Thomas speaking the truth to her. I am happy you are still around mom, I have missed you.
Debs… you mean – “she dumped you for a ditch” 🙂 (when the blind follows the blind)
So sad. I did not know, but wondered.
Just got on this bit of DTW.
It’s sad to read the retorts aimed at you, Debs.
I went to Catholic schools but was fortunate, when I was a child, that Scotland was Protestant. The practising Protestants then knew their Bibles. Lots of them knew things about Catholicism that I didn’t know, such as the Crusades, the Inquisition and so on. I was never taught those things at my Catholic schools.
I was appalled as I read, when an adult, of the Crusades and the Inquisition. And the historians of the Inquisition (and, of course, the Crusades) dealt in hard facts. One of the best historians of the Inquisition I can think of was Jean Plaidy. She deals entirely in facts, as any objective historian does, and her objectivity throughout here writngs on the Inquisition is obvious. Catholic historians are invariable subjective. That is not a criticism it is a fact. Actually we only have to read the emotionalism of the replies to you, Debs, from the Catholics above.
A friend of mine who was totally secular, called me a bigot because I told him that Catholics don’t believe the Bible (and Unam Sanctam, isn’t bigoted)! He seemed to be of the opinion that the Vatican merely interpreted the Bible diffently from Protestant interpretation.
Some time later, we were at a Catholic friend’s home and I happened to mention in a discussion that Mary was not an eternal virgin and that Jesus, her firstborn ,was the only One conceived of as a virgin. My secular (originally “Protestant”) friend admitted that he didn’t know that. I told him it was in the Bible and he was okay with that, knowing at that time I was often reading the Bible.
Our Catholic friend was furious and leapt up to his bookcase and extracted a Bible and shouted, “Show me then!” (Or some like expression.) I had been reading those texts earlier so I read out one of them where it even mentions the names of Jesus’ brothers (I can’t remember which one but it may have been Mark 3:31-35, where Jesus’ makes it clear that His mother has no pre-eminence over any other of His followers. It could even have been Mark 6:3 where it mentions Jesus’ half brothers–James, Joses, Judah and Simon and also says “..and are not His sisters here with us?” Actually, there is another Scripture that says “and ALL his sisters.”)
I said to my Catholic friend, on showing him the relevant Scripture, “There it is.”
He shouted back at me. “Then it’s wrong! It’s wrong!”
“I see,” I said so the Bible is wrong?”
“Yes,” he shouted.
It proved my point to my secular friend that Catholics do NOT believe in the Bible totally.
Another time, my Catholic friend astonished my wife by telling her that he thought it would be a good thing if I were to be burnt at the stake. My wife was horrified and she told me. I said that it was not because he hated me, but because he really liked me, that he thought my being incinerated would be a good thing.
Had I been burned at the stake then there could have been some hope of me atoning for my heresy and getting into heaven.
Sadly for Catholic people, they have no assurance of heaven. The Vatican denounces such a thing clearly. The Council of Trent declares that a “believer’s assurance of the pardon of sins is a vain and ungodly confidence.” The famous Jesuit, Cardinal Bellarmine called it, “…a prime error of heretics.”
Yet the penitent thief on the Cross had it [Luke 23:42] and the Lord said to him, “I tell you this, today you will be with me in paradise.” Paul, had it [2 Timothy 1:12]; Stephen had it [Acts 7:56], and so did other saints. Even Job during his terrible tribulations [Job 13:15; 19:25] had complete assurance.
It is sad that any relgious dogmas can deprive people of what God has promised. Yet, those who take Jesus at His Word are called heretics by Rome and and countless thousands were burned at the stake for their “heresies”. How is burning someone at the stake “doing unto others as we would be done by”?
I have known many nominal Catholics and they are, humanly speaking, nice people. But all people unless they are sinners saved by Grace, are still sinners.
My problem with true, practising Catholics is their god is their religion, not God. Sadly, they are not the only people who make their religion their god. All who do are unfortunately, and plainly, idolators.
Robbie
Yes, sorry I never told you I was very upset about the whole ordeal and it’s taken some time to recover from losing her as a friend. But when I look back now and I see the bigger picture all of a sudden other things started to jump out at me regarding what she believes – especially the fact that she is linked to Calvary Chapel and thinks they actually do good. The church she goes too might preach the truth, but the organisation as a whole does not and she can’t see that. And then the biggest problem she has was with Thomas, I was shattered by her treatment of him, she insisted Thomas would ruin DTW, I told her how to take a long walk off a short plank. I love Thomas, he is not perfect, not of us are but I know Thomas and what Thomas brings DTW is something seriously Holy Spirit inspired.
Paul wrote,
Family, friends and so-called brethren who turn their back on you is nothing new. My wife had many friends who she no longer hears from or sees because I warned them against the heresies they cling to. My daughter who was once in bondage to the WOF movement (Joyce Meyer in particular) was asked to leave the women’s connect group of a church in Holland because God had opened her eyes to the extreme dangers in the WO[L]F Movement. They now hate her guts.
My own son and his wife are caught up in the satanic lies of the WO[L]F Movement and have just about cast their parents out. We only see or hear from them when one of us celebrate our birthday. Why? Because that’s the right thing to do when they want to pacify their conscience. “Oh, we’ve done our duty” kind of thing. It reminds me of the infamous “Corban” law of the Pharisees.
Following Jesus as He wants you to follow Him and not the way you think you want to follow Him, is going to cost you. That’s why He said:
Don’t be surprised when (not if) more of your so-called brethren turn their backs on you. It is inevitable.
What is his will? That we be sanctified through his TRUTH, his Word is his TRUTH. (John 17:17)
Your friend that has “gone Messianic” may have found a closer link to “the faith once delivered” than you may realize. Sure there are some pit-falls there but my experience (7+ years) of intense Bible study has shown me the many errors in Protestant Christianity. A better route may be in the Hebraic Perspective of the Christian religion. The term “Christian” was originally a slander against the early believers in Messiah Yeshua (Jesus). We are to JUDGE with righteous judgment based on the Word of God. There are a few good websites that properly explain the Hebraic Perspective, Refiner’s fire and The Seed of Abraham (.net) are two excellent sites.