Angus Buchan, Benny Hinn and God TV

Angus Buchan

Angus Buchan, Benny Hinn, and God TV

I recently read an article written by Prof. Johan Malan in which he expresses his concerns about Angus Buchan. He says, amongst other things, the following in his article “Spiritual Deception, Revival and Angus Buchan – Prof. Johan Malan, South Africa (May 2010)” he says:

“It is obvious that the South African revival preacher, Angus Buchan, does have a relationship with Jesus Christ as his Saviour and experiences Him as a living reality in his life. He also exhorts thousands of people to repent, and helps families to reconcile with each other, which is praiseworthy.

On the other hand, worried voices are being heard that he reveals great ignorance on various aspects of biblical doctrines – to such an extent that he has embarked on the way of kingdom theology, the ecumenical movement, and even the promotion of dubious signs and wonders. On certain occasions he has made positive comments on false prophets such as Benny Hinn and Kathryn Kuhlman. His perceived ignorance on these matters is disturbing and even bewildering. . . .

The other questions relate to the kingdom deception which Angus proclaims to the crowds. How can he, according to his own insight, promise people that South Africa and Zimbabwe will be completely restored? In this regard he acts contrary to Jesus Christ Himself, who said that in the end-time there will be great tribulation such as has never been on earth (Matthew. 24:21). Someone who correctly understands the biblical message on the end-time would warn his followers against a time of great spiritual and moral falling away, while also mentioning the possibility of the persecution and rejection of evangelical Christians.

These matters are not part of Angus’s message. Neither does he proclaim the blessed hope of the rapture to Christians to encourage them to remain steadfast until the Lord Jesus takes us away to our heavenly home (1 Thessaloniuans. 4:16-18). The fact that so many people stream to the meetings of Angus is proof of the lack of leadership which the whites in South Africa experience in both the political and religious fields.

They are looking for somebody to come and lead the Boers. Even some of the Israel groups (British Israelism, or White Theology supporters) allege that Prophet Van Rensburg has referred to a leader who would lead the Boers to a Boer state where they can be free from domination by the blacks. Could this perhaps be the reason for the popularity that Angus enjoys? . . . He cannot even remotely be mentioned in the same vein as a revival preacher such as Andrew Murray. It is in fact highly questionable whether the movement which he describes as a revival indeed qualifies to be defined as such.”

If multitudes of men stream to the revival meetings of Angus Buchan because they hanker for a leader who can lead them to their “promised land” then I must add that their meetings, in the spiritual sense of the word, was a dismal failure from the very beginning, despite the fact that hundreds of thousands of men have attended them in the past few years.

Motive plays an extremely important role in God’s economy of revivals. A wrong motive will never move God’s hand to send a revival. I doubt very strongly whether He would send a revival when the motive is to find a leader who’s able to take the South African Boers to their “promised land” of hope and glory and peace and prosperity.

In many cases in the past revivals blossomed when circumstances were very hazardous and life-threatening. The motive of the Christians who prayed for these revivals was not for God to alleviate their suffering or even restore them to a place of safety. Their only motive was for God to convict men, women, and children of their sins and their lost status, and to call them to a biblically grounded repentance and a firm faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Mark 1:15).

But isn’t that Angus Buchan’s main objective, to call a spade a spade (name the sins of his Mighty Men and those of our fellow countrymen)? That may be true but what is his motive? To dangle a carrot of hope, love, joy, peace and a prosperous future (God’s Kingdom in this life here and now) in front of his Mighty Men’s noses and tell them that this is what God promises when you stop sleeping with your secretary, stop cheating the receiver of revenue, kneel before your wife to plead for her forgiveness, is not revival. Neither is it when he teaches them that they are the manifest sons (and daughters) of God in Romans 8:19. It is not even the Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Repentance with the intent to improve your material and even physical welfare in this world tends to focus the eyes on self and its selfish needs.

Rory and Wendy Alec of God TV who has aired many of Angus Buchan’s Mighty Men Conferences are also constantly dangling a carrot of prosperity in front of their viewers’ noses. At the moment they are in alert mode and desperately in need of a “BREAKTHROUGH” in their finances to “break the chains” of their huge budget deficit and are pleading with their viewers to donate “sacrificially.”

To get them to put their hands even deeper into their pockets they have been using world-renown preachers such as Benny Hinn, Steve Munsey, and Cindy Jacobs to tell the viewers that their own breakthrough will only come when they give their money sacrificially. Wendy and Rory Alec - God TVThe same old message is on their lips every time you tune into God TV: “God will honour and prosper you ONLY when you sow a seed sacrificially.”

Benny Hinn bravely asserted that God’s promises for you will only come to fruition when you sow your seed in faith. That’s an infamous lie from the pit of hell because God says: “For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20). These promises do not pertain to temporary things such as health, wealth (riches), prosperity and a country free from crime, corruption, and poverty.

“The promises of God which are made through Christ, relate to the pardon of sin to the penitentthe sanctification of his peoplesupport in temptation and trial; guidance in perplexitypeace in death, and eternal glory beyond the grave. All of these are made through a Redeemer, and none of these shall fail.” (Albert Barnes’ Notes on the Bible)

One of their major drawing cards to get you to donate £1,000 (+- R10,000), €1,000 (+-1 R11,000), or $1,500 (+- R11,000) is to recognize your generosity by putting your name on a foundation stone in their broadcast center. When you donate £30,000 (+- R330,000) €30,000 (+- R280,000), $50,000 (+- R380,000) or more they will place a Mezuzah with your name on it in one of the seven doorways in their Broadcast Centre.

Woe to you South Africans; your European, American, and English God TV families have a much better chance than you of having their names placed on a Mezuzah in one of the seven doorways in God TV’s Broadcast Centre. Their currencies are much stronger than your rand. Rest assured, if your name is written in the Book of Life because you have sincerely and truly repented of your sins and believe in Jesus Christ and His Gospel (as the Scriptures say and not as God TV says) your eternal life is secure.

You don’t need your name to be engraved on a plaque or foundation stone in Rory and Wendy Allen’s Broadcast Centre because you have given them R300,000 or more to allegedly help them spread the Gospel throughout the world. Moreover, you needn’t pay a single cent for your name to be written in the Book of Life because God’s salvation is free. It is a gift to those who receive it by faith through Jesus Christ who has paid the full price for all of your sins and transgressions. If anyone teaches you otherwise and says that you must pay something in order to receive God’s blessings, they are perpetuating the abominable lie of the Roman Catholic heretic, Johann Tetzel, who said:

As soon as the gold in the casket rings; the rescued soul to heaven springs [So wie das Geld im Kasten klingt; die Seele aus dem Fegfeuer springt]

How many people who watch God TV are getting the wrong impression about the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Patti Roberts, the ex-wife of Richard Roberts, became very disillusioned with her father in law, Oral Roberts’ “seed of faith” gospel. She called Al Bush, the President of the Oral Roberts Evangelical Association to express her grave concern.

Al, in the forty shows that we taped last year, how many times did we give people the plan of salvation?

The plan of salvation? Gosh Patti, I don’t know. Im, sure we must have given it to them at least once.

And how many times did we give them the principles of Seed-Faith?

He laughed. Patti, you know the answer to that. We give the principles of Seed-Faith on every show. What’s this all about?

Al, in the letters that you received from viewers, how many of them thought that maybe if they gave money to Oral, they had bought a little place in the Kingdom? How many may have thought that swayed God’s opinion about their eternal destiny?

He didn’t answer for a long time. When he finally replied he lowered his voice and said soberly and a bit hesitantly, A whole lot of them did Patti. (1) (Emphasis added)

Having heard again and again and again that the giving of money sacrificially or sowing a seed in abundance opens the door to God’s blessings, many of God TV’s viewers have already been led to believe that your giving opens the door to God’s salvation and his eternal heaven. Many donors may already have their names engraved on a foundation stone or a Mezuzah in God TV’s Broadcast Centre, but how many of them have their names written in the Book of Life? Nevertheless, I was surprised to see that when Jesus (a counterfeit Jesus) sent his disciples out to preach the Gospel He told them exactly the same things I heard on God TV. Jesus said:

When you enter a city the first thing you must do, is to tell people they need a miraculous breakthrough in their lives. Some need a breakthrough in their family lives; they need their marriages to be healed, their wayward and rebellious children who have run away from their homes to return to mom and dad. Others need breakthroughs in their dwindling businesses and finances and to take back from Satan what he had robbed them of. Still others need a desperate breakthrough in their health.

Don’t forget to blow the shofar like Steve Munsey on God TV because the shofar, as you know, opens heavens windows wide open when it is blown. Don’t feel bad about not knowing how to blow the shofar. Here is a recording of someone who is a professional shofar blower. All you need to do is to put your lips to the shofar and do some clever mimicking while you play the recording.

But here’s the punch line. Tell them I will ONLY, I repeat, ONLY grant them their breakthrough in the areas of their health, family lives and businesses when they donate huge amounts of money to you so that you may preach the Gospel. Make sure to tell them that everyone who does not donate sacrificially will receive zilch, nada, no breakthroughs form Me whatsoever. Also tell them that their names will be engraved on a foundation stone when they donate 30 000 denarii / shekels or more.

I cannot recall precisely where I read the above in the Bible but what I did find is the following:

He was telling them, “The harvest is vast, but the workers are few. So ask the Lord of the harvest to send workers out into his harvest. Get going! See, I am sending you out like lambs among wolves. Don’t carry a wallet, a traveling bag, or sandals, and don’t greet anyone on the way. “Whatever house you go into, first say, ‘May there be peace in this house.’ If a peaceful person lives there, your greeting of peace will remain with him. But if that’s not the case, your greeting will come back to you. Stay with the same family, eating and drinking whatever they provide, for the worker deserves his pay. Don’t move from house to house. “Whenever you go into a town and the people welcome you, eat whatever they serve you, (Luke 10:2-8 ISV) Then he said to them, “When I sent you out without a wallet, traveling bag, or sandals, you didn’t lack anything, did you?” They replied, “Nothing at all.” (Luke 22:35 ISV)

In the very next verse, Jesus actually commanded them to take a purse and a sword with them so that they may defend themselves on their long evangelical journeys and also fend for themselves when they needed to buy provisions. But He never taught them to ask for money in exchange for prayers or the blowing of the shofar so that the donators may receive a so-called breakthrough in their lives. Consider the widow who cast two mites into the temple treasury and whom Jesus honoured as the biggest giver.

Now Jesus looked up and saw rich people dropping their gifts into the offering box. Then he saw a destitute widow drop in two small copper coins. He said, “Truly I tell you, this destitute widow has dropped in more than all of them. For all the others contributed to the offering out of their surplus, but she, in her poverty, dropped in everything she had to live on.” (Luke 21:1-4 ISV)

She didn’t cast in all that she had into the treasury to receive a blessing, a breakthrough, a ten-fold or hundred-fold in return or whatever Word of Faith nonsense and lies. She simply obeyed God because she loved Him. What about Jesus’ warning in Matthew 6:3-5?

But when you give to the poor, don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be done in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.” “And whenever you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites who love to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they will be seen by people. Truly I tell you, they have their full reward! (Matthew 6:3-5 ISV)

But let us now return to Angus Buchan, who frequently appears on God TV and his revival messages. Of course, God can restore our country to a blissfully peaceful land but then again this is not the motive for a revival. The only motive for a revival is to be reconciled to an infinitely holy God who will never retract or rescind his righteous judgments on those who refuse to repent and believe as the Scriptures say.

As professor Malan indicated, Angus Buchan’s entire teaching is focused on the advancement of the Dominionist doctrine which promotes the idea that every single position of high ranking in politics, the economy, health, education, the media, and art must be occupied by “Christians” before Jesus can return. This is definitely not what Jesus taught. Jesus has already given his hope, peace, and joy to his followers but it is a joy and a peace that his Holy Spirit has entrenched in their innermost beings and nothing can take it away, not even the severest circumstances and persecution.

On the other hand, the peace the world gives, of which Jesus said He does not give, is contingent upon peace treaties, compromises, and flimsy promises and we know how easy these so-called peace treaties can be broken. Yes, it is also true that something that looks like a revival may occur but the question is: from whence does it come – from God or the deceiver who disguises him as an angel of light?

God honours but a single motive when believers pray for a revival and that is “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. (Acts 26:18 KJV). The word “revival” implies that there once was spiritual life, growth and dynamism but has waned or teetered to a lifeless corpse which needs to be resurrected unto a dynamic life in Jesus Christ.

To the messenger of the church in Sardis, write: The one who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars says this: “I know your works. You are known for being alive, but you are dead.” (Revelation 3:1 ISV)

Benny HinnProf. Malan finds Angus Buchan’s positive comments on false prophets like Benny Hinn and Kathryn Kuhlman disturbing and even bewildering. Personally, I think that Angus Buchan fits the Word of Faith and prosperity cult like a glove.

He may have indicated in the past that he has no aspirations to make money but is quite prepared to speak highly of Benny Hinn and Rory and Wendy Alec whose doctrine of salvation is steeped in the prosperity cult. Angus Buchan may have a relationship with Jesus Christ as his Saviour and experience Him as a living reality and exhort people to repent but then again Benny Hinn and Rory and Wendy Allen claim to have the same relationship with Jesus Christ and that they too are reaching billions with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If Angus Buchan was so concerned about lost souls, he would at least warn Benny Hinn of his false doctrines and Rory and Wendy Allen of promoting his false doctrines on their God TV. Angus Buchan would at least have been deeply concerned about the millions of viewers who are being misled by God TV. Let us now look at some of the heresies Benny Hinn has proclaimed in the past.

“I am a ‘little messiah’ walking on earth,” (2)

If Angus Buchan has made positive comments on Benny Hinn, as Prof. Malan says, then he is praising and revering a false Messiah. In my opinion, Angus Buchan should retract his positive testimonials of Benny Hinn in public because Hinn’s infamous claim is not only an affront to Jesus Christ but he (Buchan) is leading many people astray by encouraging them to follow a false Messiah. The Moreleta Park DRC favours the very same kind of policy which is to mollycoddle their Hinn-followers instead of warning them against him so as not to rock the boat. Here is a few other Hinn-claims-to-fame.

God came from heaven, became a man, made man into little gods, went back to heaven as a man. He faces the Father as a man. I face devils as the son of God…. Quit your nonsense! What else are you? If you say, I am, you’re saying I’m a part of Him, right? Is he God? Are you His offspring? Are you His children? You can’t be human! You can’t! You can’t!  God didn’t give birth to flesh…. You said, “Well, that’s heresy.” No, that’s your crazy brain saying that. (3)

Perhaps Angus Buchan and Rory and Wendy Alec would like to tell us whether they agree with Benny Hinn (whom they adore so much) when he blasphemously demoted Jesus Christ to a sinner (which implies that like any other sinner He was lost and needed to be born-again).

And let me add this: Had the Holy Spirit not been with Jesus, He would have sinned. That’s right, it was the Holy Spirit that was the power that kept

Him pure. He was not only sent from heaven, but He was called the Son of Man and as such, He was capable of sinning . . . Without the Holy Ghost, Jesus would have never have made it . . . Can you imagine Christ headed for the grave, knowing He would remain there forever if the Holy Ghost would change His mind about raising Him from the dead? (4)

My, you know, whoosh! The Holy Ghost is just showing me some stuff. I’m getting dizzy! I’m telling you the truth-it’s, it’s just heavy right now on me…. He’s [referring to Jesus] in the underworld now. God isn’t there, the Holy Ghost isn’t there, and the Bible says He was begotten. Do you know what the word begotten means? It means reborn. Do you want another shocker? Have you been begotten? So was He. Don’t let anyone deceive you. Jesus was reborn. You say, “What are you talking about?” . . . He was reborn. He had to be reborn…. If He was not reborn, I could not be reborn. Jesus was born again…. If He was not reborn, I would never be reborn. How can I face Jesus and say, “Jesus, you went through everything I’ve gone through, except the new birth?” (6) (Emphasis added)

Masonry declares the same heresy.

Jesus of Nazareth had attained a level of consciousness, of perfection, that has been called by various names: cosmic consciousness, soul regeneration, philosophic initiation, spiritual illumination, Brahmic splendor, Christ-consciousness. (7) (Emphasis added).

Benny Hinn’s “whooshy” extraterrestrial revelation is not only blatant blasphemy but an outright rejection of the entire Levitical  sacrificial system in the Old Testament which unequivocally proves that in the sin offering and all the other offerings the animals had to be without blemish, indicating that the One who’s “once for all offering” was eventually ratified on the cross, had to be and actually was sinless.

If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering. (Leviticus 4:3)

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. (Hebrews 4:15)

If Jesus’ purity (sinlessness) was attributable to the Holy Spirit and not his own pure and sinless nature, it follows that every believer who has the Spirit of God indwelling his/her innermost being is also sinless. (1 John 1:8).

The title Son of Man does not mean that Jesus was capable of sinning. Had He in the very slightest been capable of sinning He would never have been able to pay the penalty for our sins. TheSon of Man simply means that He identified Himself with mankind to the very uttermost, even to the extent that His Father “made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Some interpret this as Him being made a sinner for us in the real sense of the word, but again this is not what is meant here. It simply means that God made his Son to be a sin-offering for us in which His Father treated Him like a sinner. Not only mighty men like Angus Buchan are in close cahoots with Benny Hinn and his blasphemous doctrines. What about Chuck Missler? Has he “miss-ler-ed” the boat as well? His “seed of faith” was so important that Rory and Wendy Alec made a special announcement when they received his sacrificial offering toward the “spreading of the Gospel according to Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Billy Graham, Peter Wagner, John Hagee, Joel Osteen and a host of other spiritual “VIP’s”.”

GOD TV’s viewers seem to be so hooked on the lie that their own “breakthrough” in the area of their finances, businesses, and families will come when they give sacrificially that they don’t care a hoot about sound biblical doctrines.

In God TV’s headquarters in Jerusalem Rory and Wendy Alec have set up a so-called uppermost room and a holy of holies chamber with a stone altar on which they place every “seed offering” they receive from their viewers in the form of a reddish colored sheet of paper.

The “altar” is also the focal point of their “prayers” which are frequently uttered in another tongue. No one ever interprets these so-called tongues which is yet another act of disobedience on the part of God TV. (1 Corinthians 14:27). What is the real purpose of the so-called “altar” in God TV’s headquarters in Jerusalem? It cannot possibly be a replica of an Old Testament altar because God forbad the Israelites to build an altar from hewn stone.

And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it. (Exodus 20:25)

The so-called altar in GOD TV’s headquarters is not a prayer altar but an occult “point of contact.” The “point of contact” paraphernalia (prayer cloths, handkerchiefs, photographs, prayer sheets, hems from garments, holy oil, shofars) are used to release the power to create wealth and to receive your breakthrough.

Oral Roberts claimed that the “point of contact” was the “greatest discovery” he had ever made” (5). By sending in their prayer sheets (in this case printed reddish colored A4 sheets) the viewers establish a point of contact when each sheet is placed on the “altar”  and when Rory and Wendy Alec and others lay their hands on the heap of paper sheets to release the power of affluence. Dave Hunt wrote:

Rituals are of no value. Rituals work in magic and magic [is] demonic; witch doctors have certain rituals they go through, sacramentalism is related to the rituals.  The idea that a ritual has some spiritual value and power just is contrary both to common sense and to the Word of God.  For example, it’s closely related to scapulars and medals. I have a scapular that I keep in the Bible to show people, on one end of it, it says, whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire.

Well, two problems, 1) if you believe Christ paid the penalty for your sins, you don’t need a scapular. What kind of a God delivers you from eternal fire because you wear a scapular.  It’s like the fetishes and so forth in the pagan world.  So, a ritual to exorcise demons is the same.  What is this, impress demons?  Are they impressed that you go through some ritual, or does God’s power depend upon you going through some ritual?  Where in the Bible does it say that God’s power can be released by some ritual?

Now you have the same idea with many of the so-called faith teachers, you know, touch my hand, this is a point of contact and even Oral Roberts had people light candles, you know, he lit the red candle while they lit the green candle, and this starts miracles flowing.  What kind of a God releases his power because you go through some ritual?  So we know, first of all, that the ritual isn’t right. (Emphasis added)

Millions of people are being misled and deceived by God TV. Are you one of the deceived?

Acts 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

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  • (1) Patti Roberts, Ashes to Gold (Word Books, 1985), p. 122
  • (2) Benny Hinn, “Praise-a-Thon” program on TBN, 6 November 1990.
  • (3) Benny Hinn, “Our Position in Christ # 2 – The Word Made Flesh (Orlando: Orlando Christian Center 1991) videotape # 2555, emphasis added. See also Hinn’s claim that believers are “little messiahs” or “little gods” on the “Praise-a-Thon” program on TBN (6 November 1990).
  • (4) Benny Hinn, Good Morning, Holy Spirit (Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 1990), 135-36, emphasis added. In the seventh printing, certain unannounced changes were made in the text in response to criticism from CRI so that the passage now reads (changes emphasized): “And let me add this: Had the Holy Spirit not been with Jesus, He may have likely sinned. That’s right. It was the Holy Spirit who was the power that kept Him pure. He was not only sent from heaven, but He was called the Son of Man-and as such He was capable of sinning. . . . Without the Holy Ghost, Jesus may have never made it.” The “Can you imagine.. .” sentence was deleted entirely. But even with the changes, Christ is still made out to depend on the Holy Spirit to keep Him from sinning, thus denying Christ the sinlessness that is an essential attribute of God.
  • (5) Benny Hinn, “Our Position ‘In Christ,’ Part 1” (Orlando, FL: Orlando Christian Center, 1991), videotape.
  • (6) Oral Roberts Best Sermons and Stories (Tulsa, OK: Oral Roberts, 1956), 46: 101
  • (7) Lynn F. Perkins, The Meaning of Masonry (CSA Press, 1971), p. 32

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Moemsie

Thnk you for placing this article. It confirms my suspicions. What a sad state it is. Its more about peddling merchandise! I was wondering when Angus became `known` how long before everything that rolls off his lips will be `pontified` in book form, cd ,movies et all`! I cannot judge the state of his soul-but he surely stepped into the money racket-even if he does not coining it some others are -he has become a commodity.

What is the connection of the River Ministries with God Tv? I know that Andre Roebert (dad started TBN) is quite a big shot here in eastern cape. In the River` bookstores Uncle Angus is smiling from many shelves.

Also just strange that when Prince William and his brother visited the Eastern Cape last year they were hosted at Mansfield farm(has a outdoor restaurant operating in Decembers called Black Rock. ( also the Beyond Adventure campus is at Mansfield farm. (Port Alfred)by the Roeberts! The crest of TBN looks very similar to prince Charles ` Crest?

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Moemsie

I am not sure what the Rivers Ministries affiliation is with God TV, but I can tell you that Rivers Ministry and Angus Buchan could not be more in each others pockets.

Interesting information regarding TBN and the Princes.

As for Angus’ soul. We can pray that he comes to find Jesus Christ asap, because time is running out.

RONNIE ROSS - ALLEN

i dont understand why people cant leave uncle angus alone GOD those him to open my eyes and realise that without GOD im nothing on this earth do you realy think 500000 men will go to a man who dont preach the WORD rite please no one is prefect in this sinful world of us every one makes mistakes uncle angus please prove these people wrong

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Ronnie

When he starts to preach the GOSPEL TRUTH we will leave him alone.

Hilgard Muller

Narrow is the way and few are they who find it ……..

Mathys

Angus has never judged anyone the bible says dont judge other people why are you, you all should try and learn the bible the way angus knows it then you will not critisize him.

HE CHANGED MY LIFE FOR THE BEST !!!!!!!

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Mathys

WOW, Angus changed your life and not Jesus Christ. Well go figure.

Lorraine

Sho, the last few months my live has been changed… by a lot of things, including Jesus who let me see the things around me as they are. He opened my eyes to see the wonders He do every day, for people really close to me. I have also realised there’s a lot of false profeteers and people who claim to be Jesus Christ. Sorry, they can’t change my opinion. There is only one Jesus and the right place to start looking for Him is in the Bible, NOT IN OTHER PEOPLE!!!!!

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Lorraine

Keep searching for the truth and stay on the narrow path :)

Derek Gohl

I really really love all the faith,hope and love preachers because they build up,strengthen,encourage the body of Christ.Don’t give your ear to all the negative,cynical,critical comments from those who think it their ministry to warn,devour and tear apart and peddle fear and distrust.Listen to positive preaching,and let the annointing of God lead you,and the voice of God..not the negative critics.Turn their voices off..and you will become a strong christian.a mountain moving,devil defeating world overcommer,not a fearful,cringing,moaning chritian with rapture fever because they are losing their battles against satan due to not beleiving in the blood bought victory of Jesus..Viva the blood,power,dominion..Jesus said He gives us power over all the power of the devil and that greater works shall we do..go forth and conquer and let the cynics crawl under a bush and hide in fear..lotsa luv in Christ,Derek Gohl

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Derek Gohl

>> I really really love all the faith,hope and love preachers because they build up,strengthen,encourage the body of Christ.Don’t give your ear to all the negative,cynical,critical comments from those who think it their ministry to warn,devour and tear apart and peddle fear and distrust.Listen to positive preaching,and let the annointing of God lead you,and the voice of God..not the negative critics.

Yes this is called TICKLING THE CONGREGATIONS EARS

Michelle

Hi D,

I have been reading this site, and I do agree with alot of things you say. But which prechers are living and speaking the truth? Seeing that you have studied all of them.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Michelle

>> Seeing that you have studied all of them.

Really? All of them? There are possibly a few million. No, not all. Not even close. There are many good ones out there. I recommend Professor Johan Malan (for now – things can change.) To be honest I don’t want to recommend people because YOU have the Bible. And in that book is everything you need to know. Where did I learn from? Men? No, from the Bible and listening to the Holy Spirit.

James

Angus Buchan is a great follower(MAN) and preacher of God, never have I seen him punt his own products. Get your facts straight. Fact is if you can make Angus out as a lier who helped South Africans get closer to their bibles then you will make many half believers fall who has not grown in faith However its their choice to believe what you write or not.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

James

This is NOT about PRODUCTS. This is about what HE PREACHES. Read this article: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/09/the-dominionist-faith-of-angus-buchan-faith-like-potatoes-2/

Burning Lamp

James, what is a half believer?

James

Burning Lamp wrote:

James, what is a half believer?

A person who has not completely decided 100% to believe and trust (Jesus, God and Holy spirit) but have heard and felt what its about. Including backsliders.

Burning Lamp

James, there is no such thing as a half believer. It is like being pregnant – either you are or you aren’t. There is no half way with Jesus. Either you have the Holy Spirit or you don’t. And a back slider is not a half believer – he is a believer who has slipped in the faith – if he is a true believer with the Holy Spirit dwelling in him, the Lord will draw him back to walking with the Lord.

Michael

Sorry James…there is no such thing…half-saved and half-condemned.One foot in heaven and the other in hell.
On a very much lighter note…it reminds me of a German colleague (who had a rather abrasive humour) who interrupted my conversation when I referred to a business associate as an ACQUAINTANCE…saying that in Germany there is no such person as an acquaintance…you are eizer ze friend or ze enemy !

Deborah (Discerning the World)

LOL that was funny Michael.

Nathan

I do want to reply to all that comment on this site. Dr Malan,Debora, James and the rest Grace and peace to you!
I do not hear the voice of Christ in any of these comments, never never never have I heard Christ coming to me in a harsh tone or condemming way, He is gentle and Humble in Spirit, His words seasoned with grace edifing encouraging.
The Bible says Clearly(the words of Christ Himself) that there is only one that’s good and that is God, so the only good that can come from man is God. Talking against men that’s whole life is dedicated to the work of God. If that man is still moving towards the purity of truth it is only God that can lead the man there. Speaking against such a man is speaking against the very work of God.
The thing we must be VERY careful of is charging other desiples, brothers, of deception if God Himself hasn’t exalted you to such a position. How would you know if God exalted you to such a position? You would have the glory of Christ revealed within your soul. Didn’t Jesus say don’t try to take the splinter out of your brothers eye before you have removed the beam out of your own eye.
The truth about Gods word is so pure and consealed that only the pure in heart will be able to see it, and it is so singular in message that it realy speak of one only and that is Jesus(Salvation). James says purify your heart you double minded. If the message was not singular it could not bring you to singularity of mind as your heart still would have had options. The bible from genises to revelations speak of but one thing, Salvation, the translation back into Paradise.
Now truth is in one alone and that is Christ who send the Holy Spirit to teach us in all things and what He teaches is truth and is no lie. The Spirit searches the deep things of God yet the natural man cannot receive them. These are discovered through a commited lifestyle of prayer, prayer not talking to God or praying in tongues but a state of silent worship beholding(thinking, meditating) one only and that is the name of Christ. And everytime the Holy Spirit reveals truth He will confirm it by revealing it in your soul as a testimony. Accepting Christ is entering the way into the Kingdom of Heaven, the only message Jesus realy spoke about. It does NOT mean you have entered the Kingdom, else you would have heaven the reality of everlasting life revealed within you. Lets not forget Jesus said that unless our rigteousness exceeds that of the farisees we would by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Not now not ever? 2Pet1 if these things are yours and abound you will never stumble and so a abundant entrance will be supplied to you into the everlasting kingdom of our saviour Jesus Christ. 1pet receiving the END of your faith the salvation of you souls. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Warning every man teaching every man with all prudence to present them perfect in Christ Jesus. And the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men teaching them to deny all ungodliness worldly lusts and pasions looking for the blessed hope of the appearing of our Great God and saviour Jesus.

These are the only things we are supposed to be concerened about. One of the core messages is do not judge, lets not do this as we would put ourselves on very dangerous turf. And maybe be bared from the truth of the knowledge of Christ.

Love all of you, lets unite as Paul said, with one mind one hope one faith contending for the faith of the Gospel, and leave aside all dusputes over useless things which will increase the level of ungodliness. Lets commit ourselves to stay on the narrow path and take one teacher the Holy Spirit and Plead towards our Holy God to bless us with the knowledge of truth, that we may enter the reality of eternal life, lets concern ourself with this only. The world its going to be burned up by fire, the Fire of God’s glory, which we are called to obtain.
They only way into the kingdom is to take Jesus as our teacher to stay comitted in prayer, to love people(all good and bad right or wrong pationatelly) and you will never be unfruitfull in the knowledge of our Christ.

God bless your souls abundantly, please accept that I will never say something with harmfull intent, but my wish is for everybody to meat with jesus face to face.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Nathan

Woohaaahhh I think you need to be very careful of charging me and make sure YOU HAVE ALL YOUR FACTS IN PLACE. Angus is as false as they get and I am sorry you have been taken in by him – as have millions of South Africans. Who is more important to you, one silly man with a hat on leading MILLIONS astray or the millions he is willfully leading astray?

I DO NOT UNITE with false Christians and NEVER WILL. Genuine Christian unity is all about REAL Christians coming together and taking a stand for the TRUTH and not having to hold hands with the false ones as well for the sake of being nice.

After you have read ALL my articles on Angus and his friends you can come back and say sorry to me.

Thanks

Nathan

Dear Deborah.

Would like to hear the what is your perception of the truth? See the bible is a revelation of One and that is Jesus. Before the bible was printed in 1516 there was only but 200 different viewpoints on Christianity, today 500 years of bible study later there is a good 32000 and growing number of viewpoints but only one truth. My prayer daily is but for God to lead me into the singularity of truth. Until such time I will but call myself a desiple of Christ and not a Christian for to say I am Christlike if I still dont bare the cery image is but blasphemy. The truth is singular What is your version, your believe?

Please please do not take me wrongly, as you I am totally committed to Truth. I do believe thou that there is part truth in every man and that I seek.

Rev 2 24-25 JESUS WARNS US OF THE DEPTH OF DECEPTION THAT SATAN BRINGS.

So yes I drink with much caution, and the whole point is to find the pure Holy Spirit baptism, for only by that can people really be set free.

What is in short your viewpoint on the narrow road and the singularity of the knowledge of truth?

Be blessed.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Nathan

PLEASE GO READ THE ARTICLES. https://www.discerningtheworld.com/category/pastors-teachers-speakers/a/angus-buchan-shalom-ministries/

And I really can’t stand it when people say ‘be blessed’ when in fact it’s just words. Go seek the truth first before you come with silly statements like, “Would like to hear the what is your perception of the truth?’ and ‘What is in short your viewpoint on the narrow road and the singularity of the knowledge of truth?’ oh bla bla bla this is not the Sci-Fi channel. My word… get real.

Nathan

Deborah why on earth are u so easily offended? You dont care after I merely asked you a simple harmless question?
And ja it is not just words to me Deborah, once again judgement, towards a person which you now not.
God looks at all through the consiousnes of Love alone, not judgement, you should know that.

Be blessed or not you choose.

Burning Lamp

Nathan, did you read the accounts in the Bible about Jesus cleansing the temple? Then you would know the ANGER that our Lord has against those who turn His Church into profit-making venture and mislead His people.

Our God is a holy God – a consuming fire – you had better hope you are truly saved and will not be around when His wrath is poured out.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Nathan

I am having a REALLY BAD DAY, but no one cares. I get insulted day in and day out by people like you, but do you care about the words you speak? No. I get hit left right and center day in and day out and I sit here and take it, as I sit day in and day out answering EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE to their liking and accurately might I add BECAUSE I am held accountable by God! I have gone and done months of research, and spent HUNDREDS OF HOURS on this topic, to have YOU, Mr I Know Nothing come and give me uphill. You have the audacity to poke your finger at At Boshoff, but can’t see that Angus Buchan is just another breed of false teacher in another line of false doctrine. (Actually it’s not even another line, it’s the same line, just different group of people). So pardon me, if I TAKE OFFENCE when someone (you) says “I do not hear the voice of Christ in any of these comments, never never never have I heard Christ coming to me in a harsh tone or condemming way”. There is NOT ONE SINGLE WORD IN THIS ARTICLE THAT IS OFFENSIVE unless you love false teaching and love to side with false teachers.

I am so sick and tired of this LOVE component. Funny how you will love your enemy but can’t find a nice word for me, the one who is supposed to be on your side. HOW ODD.

“God looks at all through the consiousnes of Love alone, not judgement” what on earth? That sounds very new age. Give me scripture to back this statement up.

Burning Lamp

Nathan, you have a warped idea of what TRUE love is. It is Deborah, pouring her heart into this work, day in and day out for the sake of the truth in service of her Lord and Savior. She studies to show herself approved as the Bible says. That, sir is love. It doesn’t always come in warm fuzzies – it is often tough but it is what we need.

Being kind to someone is caring enough to give them the unvarnished truth. You have been given a wake-up call – listen or suffer the consequences – your choice.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Thank you BL.

People just don’t care. They seem to think that if they comment they are the only voice to be heard and then take offence when you question their meanness. This blog is not here to accommodate false teachers and their followers.

Nathan

Dear Deborah.

You are right I know nothing except for the fact that Christ died for the salvation of the whole world, for me for you and everybody around us.

All of us is part of one body so you and I are one so yes I want to tel you that I love you. And the fact that you are having such a bad day saddens me and it saddens God. One thing you must realise thou Deborah is that whatever we put out there is what we will receive. If you read my letters correctly you will see that I included myself with all I said saying if we do the wrong things we put ourselves on dangerous turf. I said this out of a point of concern for the state of your soul and mine. I did not say it to put you down or to put down your commitment to our Saviour or your caracter.
After I left CRC a made quite a bit of statements against Pastor Att, the Lord did warn me against it I did not listen and it cost me dearly. See as soon as one do that you pick up a reproach in the heart and it blocks your heart for Spiritual growth. In my letter concerning Pastor At I only lifted out the dangers according to scripture concerning having a material focus and clearly stated that I do not wish to crusify pastor At.
I’m so greatfull to your comitment to the truth for it is only the pure truth that opens the door of life, and it is our responsibality to seek that. So has my life been for a number of years. So I think there is much we can learn from its other and I also think there is much more worth in doing work of edification rather than to prove who are right and who is wrong. I was at Uncle Angus’ meating this year and I tell you that the power of God fell so wonderfully that it felt like God was going to pull me into heaven any second. And the absolute sincerity and love and compation in that man is really to be admired. One of the sermons He preached on waiting on the Lord, which as you surely know is the way of the prophets, so I am sure that which might not be pure at the moment the Lord will correct, the same I trust the Lord to do for me, for I know if I were in perfect purity I would have heaven in me right now.
Math 6 the Lord teaches on love and he says love your enemies bless dont curse pray for those that spitefully use you and abuse you for if you do this you will be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect. God is love, and He passed all Judgement over to His Son.
I do now that the Fear of God is the way into God’s love as the Spirit of the fear of the Lord is the custodian of all virtues, but the end effect or purpous is the love of God which is more than we could ever be able to understand, eph 3 the perpous of the mystery that we would be strengthened with might in the inner man that you may be able to comprehend the hight and the width of Jesus’ love that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Wow what a promise.
Lets rather focus on truths of the way into fullness than spending our days scrutinising other people, its just got so much more worth. Obtain that Glory so it can be flow freely into the world and bring true convertion unto the LORD.
Dont sit there day by day defending yourself, it will only grow worse and worse. Lets start sharing powerful truths that would grow us into the stature of the fullness of Christ let love flow and that would just return.

I DO PRAY THAT YOU WILL HAVE PEACE IN THIS EVENING. GOD LOVES YOU WITH A EVERLASTING LOVE!

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