Ivin Viljoen – The Fires of Hell Burn Bright

Elmarie A says:

Ivin

What would Deborah be without her # fan Elmarie and the help of her blog promo postings

Ivan you just make me smile 🙂  You have no idea what the truth is.

“How can I recognize a false teacher / false prophet?”

Answer: Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 24:23-27; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18). The best way to guard yourself against falsehood and false teachers is to know the truth. To spot a counterfeit, study the real thing. Any believer who “correctly handles the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15) and who makes a careful study of the Bible can identify false doctrine. For example, a believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity. Therefore, step one is to study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the Scripture says.

Jesus said “a tree is recognized by its fruit” (Matthew 12:33). When looking for “fruit,” here are three specific tests to apply to any teacher to determine the accuracy of his or her teaching:

1) What does this teacher say about Jesus? In Matthew 16:15-16, Jesus asks, “Who do you say I am?” Peter answers, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,” and for this answer Peter is called “blessed.” In 2 John 9, we read, “Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.” In other words, Jesus Christ and His work of redemption is of utmost importance; beware of anyone who denies that Jesus is equal with God, who downplays Jesus’ sacrificial death, or who rejects Jesus’ humanity. First John 2:22 says, “Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.”

2) Does this teacher preach the gospel? The gospel is defined as the good news concerning Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). As nice as they sound, the statements “God loves you,” “God wants us to feed the hungry,” and “God wants you to be wealthy” are not the complete message of the gospel. As Paul warns in Galatians 1:7, “Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.” No one, not even a great preacher, has the right to change the message that God gave us. “If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Galatians 1:9).

3) Does this teacher exhibit character qualities that glorify the Lord? Speaking of false teachers, Jude 11 says, “They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.” In other words, a false teacher can be known by his pride (Cain’s rejection of God’s plan), greed (Balaam’s prophesying for money), and rebellion (Korah’s promotion of himself over Moses). Jesus said to beware of such people and that we would know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20).

For further study, review those books of the Bible that were written specifically to combat false teaching within the church: Galatians, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, and Jude. It is often difficult to spot a false teacher/false prophet. Satan masquerades as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), and his ministers masquerade as servants of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:15). Only by being thoroughly familiar with the truth will we be able to recognize a counterfeit.
http://www.gotquestions.org/false-teachers.html
Question: “Should Christians judge the teachings of their leaders?”

Answer: As Christians, we are commanded against following teachers blindly, but are told rather to “Test everything; hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). The apostle Peter warns us in 2 Peter 2:1-3 that there will be false teachers in our day just as there were false teachers in his day. Among their false teachings is a denial of the sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ on the cross to take away sin, which is a common theme among cultists today. Another characteristic of false teachers is the greed which motivates them in everything they do. Paul offers a similar warning to the Ephesian elders in Acts 20:29-31, calling the false teachers “savage wolves” who mercilessly attempt to destroy the faith of the sheep and draw them away from the Shepherd. Paul warned them continually, pleading with them night and day to be on their guard against such deceivers.

From these passages, we see clearly that we are to distinguish between true and false teachers. How then are we to do that? First, as Paul instructs the Ephesians, we are to “no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming” (Ephesians 4:14). Rather, we are to “become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ” and we do this by “the knowledge of the Son of God” (v. 13). The knowledge of Christ can only be obtained through the Word of God, and it is by that Word that we distinguish between the true and the false.

In Matthew 7:15-20, Jesus offers some critical advice in discerning who is a false prophet: “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruits you will recognize them.” Plainly stated, is the teacher’s life marked by a progressive conformity to the likeness of Christ? Is the teacher bearing the fruits of the Spirit? Just as only good trees produce good fruit, so do only true teachers of Christ display the fruit of the Spirit—love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23), whereas false prophets and teachers display the acts of their sinful natures (Galatians 5:19-22). By these fruits, we recognize true and false teachers.

Secondly, does the teaching that is being presented conform to the message as proclaimed by the early church and the Apostles? As Paul writes to the church in Galatia: “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” These are harsh words indeed that Paul has for the false teachers, but eternal condemnation is what they store up for themselves until the day of God’s wrath (Romans 2:5-6).

The apostle John tells us in his first epistle (1 John 4:1-6) how we are to discern which spirits are from God. “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.”

It is of utmost importance that Christians are well-grounded in the Scriptures so that they are able to discern which teachers speak from God and which are false in their proclamation. Only then can we reject what is false and “hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
http://www.gotquestions.org/judge-teachings-leaders.html
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Elmarie A says:

Ivin
I wont post all the names of people you honor on your website. I will just pick the names of those whom we know here are  obviously false teacher.

I saw this page on your website:

This is just to honor all the men of God who embraced technology and produced material for the Kingdom and revival, whether it be a book, article, song or message.

Derek Prince, John Hagee, Oral Roberts, Todd Bentley and Fresh Fire USA,
Chuck Swindell,

These people aboves names  stand out as false teachers and prophets take heed please . I have found this wonderful expose post on a huge website called http://www.gotquestions.org It is one of the biggest Christian websites that is safe to use if one is a discerning christian. For now lets look at Tod Bentley This is what they had to WARN about Todd Bentley and his movement:

Is the Lakeland, Florida revival led by Todd Bentley of Fresh Fire Ministries a true biblical revival?
Note – At GotQuestions.org, we typically do not write articles about specific individuals and/or ministries. Our goal is to provide quality, biblically-based answers so that people will be able to evaluate teachers / ministries for themselves. However, in recent months, we have been receiving a deluge of questions about Todd Bentley and the revival in Lakeland, Florida. We are in no sense doubting that God could use a man like Todd Bentley in powerful ways. We have no doubt that God is performing miracles in the world today. At the same time, there are enough warning signs about Todd Bentley that we are very concerned about the legitimacy of his ministry. As always, compare what is taught with Scripture, and reject anything that does not agree with God’s Word. Our concern is not Todd Bentley’s tattoos, piercings, or unusual methods. Rather, our concern is that many of his teachings, and actions, are not biblical.

Question: “Is the Lakeland, Florida revival led by Todd Bentley of Fresh Fire Ministries a true biblical revival?”

Answer: Todd Bentley (born 1976), the leader of the 2008 Lakeland, Florida “Healing Revival,” is a Canadian-born ex-convict (convicted of multiple counts of sexual assault prior to his “conversion”) turned itinerant mass evangelist who leads “Fresh Fire Ministries” of Abbotsford, British Columbia. Bentley’s website advertises, “Todd travels throughout North America, sparking revival fire and equipping the body in power evangelism and healing ministry.”

Todd Bentley’s 2008 Lakeland, Florida “Healing Revival” promoted by self-proclaimed prophet Bob Jones (no connection to Bob Jones University), William Branham (a proponent of a racist-hate doctrine called “serpent seed“), IHOP-KC (International House of Prayer), and other charismatic ministries. MSNBC reported in May 2008, “The meetings have outgrown four venues, including a local convention center that seats roughly 7,000. Now they meet under an air-conditioned tent that can accommodate 10,000 on the grounds of the local airport. Organizers estimate that more than 140,000 people from at least 40 nations have attended meetings here.”

The focus of Bentley’s revivals is primarily on the manifestation of sign gifts, claiming an ability to generate oil from his palms and to produce gold dust from his pores. Though neither of these gifts correlates to any biblical sign gift or event, Bentley and his followers claim that it is biblical on the basis of John 14:12, in which Christ says, “He that believes on Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to the Father.” This passage is taken out of context when thus applied, however. Jesus did not mean greater works in power, but in extent. They would become witnesses to all the world through the power of the indwelling and infilling of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:8) and would bring many to salvation because of the Comforter dwelling in them. The focus is on spiritual rather than physical miracles. To equate the life-changing impact the Spirit-empowered disciples had on the world to gold dust from one’s pores is ludicrous.

Among Bentley’s teachings which set him apart from orthodox evangelical Christianity is astral travelling (the practice of leaving one’s body and travelling about disembodied) – see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUK7aW4VILA and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR_EHWbc9c0. He also practices necromancy (channeling and communicating with the dead) despite the Bible’s prohibitions of that practice (Isaiah 8:19-20; Deuteronomy 18:9-12; Leviticus 20:6). In one of his revival meetings, Bentley announced that God told him it was more important for him to “get them to believe in the angel” who visits him, whom he calls Emma, than to preach Jesus. Further, he claims to be guided by female “angels of finance.” Bentley attributes even his conversion experience to his “angel.” Critics of Bentley have published their observation that Emma-o is the name of a Japanese deity who rules the underworld in Japanese mythology, after which, Bentley removed all references to “the angel Emma” from his websites.

Todd Bentley’s ministry website states that he places “no limit on further revelation.” Note that the Bible is the revelation of God and the primary way He communicates with His people. For Bentley to put himself on the same level as the biblical prophets (Elijah, Isaiah, John, etc.) is to claim that the Bible is insufficient revelation, that more is needed. Where personal revelation outside the Bible does occur—for instance, in places where the written Word is unavailable—if it is truly from God, it will not contradict Scripture.

Clearly, Todd Bentley is in contact with spirits of some kind. But what kind of spirits are they? All true believers are in contact with God’s Holy Spirit who dwells within us from the time of our conversion to Christ. Jesus told us that He would send the Spirit to us to “lead us into all truth” (John 16:13). If all truth is available through God’s Holy Spirit and His Word, the Bible, why would God send other spirits to speak to us? He wouldn’t and He doesn’t. John 4:1-3 warns, “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (NASB). See also 1 Thessalonians 5:21, “Test everything; hold fast what is good” (NASB).

Bentley, who in order to add to the power of his testimony had demonic tattoos etched onto his arms in 2005, about eight years AFTER his “conversion,” see – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zMRChoojZo, fails such tests. As Matthew 24:24 warns, “False Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.” False prophets are always in the employ of Satan, whether knowingly or unknowingly, who “walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8). Jesus warned about the profusion of false prophets in the last days: “And many false prophets will rise and deceive many” (Matthew 24:11). Do not be deceived by Todd Bentley.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Todd-Bentley-Fresh-Fire.html
 
 
 

Elmarie A says:

I also found this on Ivan’s website and it just made me cringe. Read for yourselves and decide if this is Biblical.
I have looked in the Bible an could not find any of the prophesies in the word as Kim Clement claims. It could not be found in the Word because it is FALSE PROPHECIES .
 

Here are the various prophecies regarding this generation that not only makes me believe it’s coming upon us, but also that it IS gonna happen. There’s a revival coming in South Africa and lots of it is going to be involving young people.

“God says I declare unity within four portions of the body of Christ and this will cause a generation of young people to arise and declare war against the savages of this nation”. Kim Clement. 21 April 2007. Humble Texas.

“The Spirit of God said, a generation of young men and women are ready to be raised up, that’s why the enemy would take them out of your womb, that’s why the enemy would try and steal from the womb from a young age the children of this day. But I say to you this night that if the enemy would do this to you, then I will pay you back with multiplication. Because he has come on illegal terms and taken what is rightfully Mine,…” Kim Clement. 21 May 2007 Detroit Michigan.

“For God said I will shake churches, I will shake businesses, I will shake ministries, I will shake – everything that can be shaken will be shaken. And out of it, out of it will emerge a new sound, a fresh sound that will draw in the wicked, that will draw in those that are crying for help. And God said there will be such unusual miracles like the earth has never seen: in medical science, in technology, athletes will break records as has never happened. The spirit of Samson will rise upon physical bodies and God said there will be so many wonderful, wonderful breakthroughs. For a unique generation shall bring a unique manifestation and unique miracles. God said prepare yourself for you will be saying these same words “this has never ever happened before!” Kim Clement. 8 Joly 2007. Pasadena California.

“Something is about to be unveiled throughout the earth, for a far greater glory that is about to be released. God is saying you are about to do something that has never ever happened before. There is a generation that is saying we want to do something that our forefathers never did, something that the disciples never did, we want to do something that the great cloud of witnesses never did. And the Spirit of God said the faith that is coming forth from the nations and the hunger that is crying out for something different will allow me to unlock something that will cause you to do something that has never ever happened before. Get ready, for it is about to take place and the evacuation of the religious says the Lord” Kim Clement. 5 August 2007. Beverly hills California.

Are you hearing the word of the Lord? The veil has been rent. Men and women who once were blind but now they will see. Young men and young women shall say I want to go to church. A generation is being raised up that will say, I want to go to church. Is this wishful thinking? No, for now I speak not as K.C. but I speak from the heart of J.C., this is the word of the Lord. God said get excited, be filled with anticipation”. Kim// Clement. 19 January 2008. Portland Oregon

“God said, you prophesied to a generation that were yet to be born, that would praise His name. And God said, those have been born and they shall say, we cannot wait to go to the house of the Lord. The Spirit of the Lord said there is a revival of anticipation, inspiration, but God said if you just get anticipation to a higher point you will draw Me into your place of refuge, says the Lord, and together we will bring the miraculous into your homes and into your lives says the Lord.
I cannot wait to go to the house of the Lord! I cannot wait to go to the house of the Lord!

Somebody said out there, how could this be possible, why would you come and prophesy to us? Because you know why? I see a bunch of dead bones, not here, but throughout our youth, this generation. And God said if you begin to prophesy to the dead bones, I will make a mighty army out of them but you’re got to prophesy: I cannot wait to go to the house of the Lord! I cannot wait to go to the house of the Lord!

We prophesy to the dead bones in the valley of dry bones. We prophesy that you are inspired: I cannot wait to go to the house of the Lord!” Kim Clement. 2 May2008. Orlando Florida.

“This has never ever happened before! I see forces that have been exalted being brought down to hell. Let the high praise of God come forth. Hell itself is hearing a sound that is causing them to say “just when we thought we had a bunch of people put together, quiet – that had no clue.” But now there is a new generation that are rising up, prophets that will drive every demonic power out of those who wage war at the top. (“What are we going to do? We have to surrender because there is the sound of the blood of Christ that we can hear.”) I prophesy to those that are high up in high places, you have kept them for too long. Now God says, they are mine, these warriors. I prophesy! We prophesy to dead bones, we prophesy to dead bones: you shall live, you shall live!” Kim Clement. 25 May 2008. Detroit Michigan. 2008

“God’s Spirit says beckon the prophetic, beckon the prophetic, beckon it, beckon the prophets to come, beckon to them. There is a Macedonian call, there is a call from young men , young women “come to us” and yet we have said to them “you come to us.” God said a barrier that has been between one generation and another is being broken. No statistics. A very unusual thing that will happen in this nation and many nations where the barriers between generations will be broken, and young and old shall stand together. Lion will lay next to the lamb. There shall be an unusual merging of young and old for they shall make declaration: we have waited too long” Kim Clement. 30 May 2008. Wilkesboro. North Carlolina. , 24 October

“The Spirit of the Lord is prophesying to us now that a generation are about to arise in this country, young men, young ladies, children, white, yellow, black. They, they, they will arise, break down the system. They are not tainted by the wickedness of an unholy priesthood. They will arise. They will praise Him. They will fight with the sword of the Lord they will overcome for America” Kim Clement. 9 August. Lancaster California.

“The Spirit of God says, abortion has come before Me as a stench. Who would command the taking of the future? Who would command the taking of the future? God says, this is My will: the will of life, whether in the womb or outside of the womb. It is My will for life. And God says, I will change the laws because of some of the acts that I will do. But this stench demands My return to bring life in a double portion upon the children of this generation, says the Lord” Kim Clement. Huntsville Texas.

“This generation will rise up with a double portion of the anointing of the Holy Ghost” – Marc Bredencamp.

“This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face,…” Psalm 24:6.
“To this generation of young people, you are the house of Jacob. Those you bore will be the house of Joseph, this is your flame. I have changed your name from the former because you contend with me, and have power with me.
On Mount Zion there is deliverance for the escapees, this is a holy mountain. You will receive restored to you that which has been taken from you. The deliverers will go up there to rule and judge your oppressors and the thieves.
The Kingdom and its Kingship is the Lords. You have been redeemed and and paid for with a high ransom, you too are called by my name, you are the Lords.

The Fire will not burn you nor will the flame kindle you, but yes, you will go through fire.
I am your Holy Savior; I give your past up as a ransom, and your lack in exchange for your release. You are a captive no more. Rejoice! Rejoice! You are precious and honored in my sight. I am with you so don’t fear. I am rebuking your oppressors.

I call you all from the North and from the South, created and called for my Glory. You are my witnesses; chosen servants to know me as your Father and to remain with me, understanding who I AM and that there will be none after me. I am the Lord and no other Savior exists.

I will declare to you the future and save you from danger., this you will witness. No one will stop the work I am doing in you. Forget what you know or have seen before, I am doing a new thing: restoring power and making a way out of the wilderness.

I created you for my praise, why do the wicked?? You have no honored me with faithfulness or offerings. Out of you I will raise a generation that will take the land and rebuild the cities.

I have searched the hearts of your elders and the clergy for generations and I have found them lacking. I will pour out my Spirit afresh in measures never known and my power in you exceedingly. For they don’t hunger, but I see your thirst, searching my ways and my face.

I remove those who violate you. Key leaders, men and heads of prominent families and provinces will come from you.
They have gloated on your sufferings, misfortune, lack, distress, calamity and ruin.their pride I will return to them. Edom knew my holiness but shall be destroyed to stubble. Their land shall be possessed.
Don’t rejoice in this, for the broken fellowship will be restored. Generations will return to each other by restoring these broken relationships” – Ivin Viljoen

“It is my belief that as a result of the coming move, God will bring about a Christian “explosion” of music and color in the arts and the secular media that will rival that of the sixties. But the results will be very different.
A new sound that is utterly glorifying to God will sweep the earth, with an impact of at least as great as that of the Beatles and their cohorts.

We will very quickly take back ground that we have been losing for the last thirty years. And secular media will be a vital ingredient in this media war.

The “street Church” with its “street leaders” will invade the living rooms of the world with God’s message. This will not cost the earth. The media themselves will gladly foot this bill, just to be allowed to report what god is doing.
I tell you, when this “new music” arises, watch and see how fast this occurs. The media will be falling all over themselves to be par of it. Do will indeed “change the understanding and expression of Christianity IN THE EARTH in one generation”

The street revival will become a media revival. When you think about it,this may be the best way that the youth of the West can be reached en masse today. But how humble the new leaders will need to be to cope with the pressures that will come with this” – Andrew Strom.

“We have spoken before about the coming “street Church” movement, where thousands will gather in the streets, miracles and anointed repentance preaching will occur daily, and the “cathedrals” will be abandoned in favor of gathering of the saints “from house to house” , just like in the book of Acts.

I believe very strongly that the leaders of this movements will be street types, men and women who may appear a little “rough and ready” but who will have a tremdous hearty after God.
This is the kind of leadership that god will promise will arise. These will be the new apostles, prophets and evangelists etc that must arise to form a foundation for the new move of God” Andrew Strom.

“I believe people who are really gifted with audio, digital and visual skills will be crucial members of God’s “commando army” in the coming media war.” Andrew Strom “The Ned Flanders Syndrome.
Young people have an awesome calling on their lives: to take very valuable ground from the enemy by simply infiltrating it, absolve themselves from being lepers, knowing where the army’s coming from and pulling them out with a single Word from God; simply using the weapons available for our use today” – Ivin Viljoen.

“There will be a time when young people will take the spotlight from the clergy and noblemen and envy will break out in that camp” Ivin Viljoen.

“Behold my son, I have placed you in front of a door. Beyond this door is a field of harvest., sufficient for each crop is a storehouse. Pick up your sickle my son and sharpen your threshing instrument for the harvest is here!”
“This generation carries with it a calling and a promise with only one mission: To destroy the works of the devil. This is the Christ Generation! And God is calling this generation to arms! He’s calling this generation to fight! He’s calling this generation to shout! He’s calling this generation to preach! He’s calling this generation to prophesy! He is calling this generation to pray! He is calling this generation to die!” Ivin Viljoen.

“Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears; let the weak say, I am strong [a warrior]! Hasten and come, all you nations round about, and assemble yourselves; there You, O Lord, will bring down Your mighty ones (Your warriors). Let the nations bestir themselves and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat, for there will I sit to judge all the nations round about” Joel :10-12.
“Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe:…” Joel 3:13.

“I see the greatest revival in history of mankind. I see the dead raised. I see every form of disease healed. I see whole hospitals emptied with no one there. Even the doctors are running down the streets shouting. Untold numbers of uncountable multitudes that will be saved. Nobody will be able to count those who come to Jesus. No disease will be able to stand before God’s people. It will be a worldwide situation, not local, a worldwide thrust of god’s power and god’s anointing on mankind” Smith Wigglesworth.

“This generation will not be ashamed to be identified as Christians No, they will be proud to carry that name. The young ones will not be shy to wear Christian T-shirts, wooden crosses, Christian jewelry, the Christian fish and other items will identify them as Christians. They will be proud of it” Johan van Wyk.

“Our task is to raise the John the Baptist generation. The Elishas, like Elijah raised Elisha, to make ready a people for the Lord” Johan van Wyk.

“…there is a whole generation about to be reached in a way that a generation has never been reached. Has it been said, could God save a nation in one day? There is a nation, a group of young men and women, sportsmen, athletes, actors, authors, preachers that I’m about to raise from nothing…” Kim Clement. December 3 2005. Tampa Florida.

Messianic prophecy over South Africa

Elmarie A says:

HOT OF THE PRESS

Kim Clement Admits To False Prophecies

It’s the same old song and tap-dance

by Bud Press, Director
Christian Research Service

http://www.christianresearchservice.com
July 28, 2010

Scenario: A man claims to be a prophet of God. After being caught in multiple false prophecies, he becomes offended, defensive, and all teary-eye when he receives “negative” feedback from Christians who apply the Biblical tests and expose him as a false prophet.
 
With a wink and a nod, the false prophet makes excuses, seeks sympathy from his followers, and goes to great lengths to twist Scripture to maintain his self-appointed position and following. He feeds his deep-seated pride and arrogance by rewriting and reinterpreting God’s written word. He leads his followers to a false god. His desire is to be the final authority–without question–despite what God’s word says.
 
It needs to be restated over and over again: Throughout the Bible, God has ZERO TOLERANCE for false prophets. There is no fellowship between God and false prophets (Deuteronomy chapter 13; Deuteronomy 18:20-22; Jeremiah 14:14; Jeremiah 23:31-32; Ezekiel 13:9; Matthew 7:21-23; 2 Peter 2:1).

False prophets are NOT members of the body of Christ, nor are they brothers and sisters in Christ. Every false prophet will have his or her day of reckoning with God at God’s appointed time (Matthew 7:21-23; Revelation 20:11-15).

Just as one cannot be a thief and a law abiding citizen at the same time, one cannot be a false and true prophet at the same time.

Singing and dancing

Known as the “singing prophet,” Kim Clement is a self-proclaimed prophet of God who sings “new revelations” from God and tap-dances his way around false prophecies at the drop of a hat.

In the following paragraphs from an article titled, “Special Message,” note that Kim Clement’s admission to being a false prophet carries with it a subtle warning to his followers, as well as those who would dare speak a word against him:

I want you to have a good time and I want you to know something, that I am genuinely in love with God. I don’t have to tell you that, but I want you to know that I do. And there will also be critics that will be watching now because you don’t understand prophecy, and I understand that. Half the time I don’t even understand myself.

The Bible says we prophesy in part and when I prophesy, I prophesy what I hear. 

“Kim, are you ever wrong?” Yes I am. So, if you’re out there to trick me or trip me up, you are wasting your time because I go to God three times a day and I pray. And if I’ve done something that may have misrepresented him I ask him to forgive me. If you don’t fully understand the prophecies it’s best that you don’t get up and try to pull me to pieces making out that I’m a false prophet. There’s a big difference between a false prophet and a true prophet. Now some of you and a lot of you wrote to me and you blessed me, and I thank you for that, but some of your wrote in with concerns that I said some things on this last broadcast where I prophesied from God which I will not apologize about, but I used some language. [June 24, 2010, http://kimclementvault.com/prophecyread.asp?num=410 , emp. added]

Amazing. Simply amazing. When a false prophet looks his audience in the eye and admits he is a false prophet, the long and winding deceptive train has arrived, belching its poisonous steam down the throats of the innocent.

Decision time

Kim Clement is a prophet of God only because he says he is. He sings an incredibly deceptive siren’s song which, like the
Sirens in Greek mythology, he woos and sings to his followers, and becons them to crash their spiritual boats onto the rocky shore of destruction and death.

Kim Clement avoids the Biblical warnings on false prophets in favor of “new revelations from God” and what he claims to hear. But God’s written word judged Clement a false prophet the moment he uttered his first false prophecy. He downplays the very God he claims to worship, and tap-dances around God’s holy and instead word to his own destruction.

Kim Clement a false prophet. He is to be avoided at all costs.

And how can Christians recognize a false prophet?

Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 24:23-27; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18). The best way to guard yourself against falsehood and false teachers is to know the truth. To spot a counterfeit, study the real thing. Any believer who “correctly handles the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15) and who makes a careful study of the Bible can identify false doctrine. For example, a believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity. Therefore, step one is to study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the Scripture says. [ http://www.gotquestions.org/false-teachers.html ]

Take your pick: Kim Clement or God.
Related reading: Is Kim Clement a New Age Prophet? http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac14.htm

Kim Clement Prophecies Assassination Attempt on Obama in 2010 http://tinyurl.com/SlaughteroftheSheep

Kim Clement, Haiti, and the ElijahList

What God Has To Say About False Prophets

Special thanks to Chrystal of Slaughter of the Sheep for her valuable assistance.


 

Michael says:

You have touched a raw nerve here…the word faith hierarchy hates criticism and takes it personally. When you expose lies,deception,inconsistencies etc with them or their peers…you will get anger,threats and attacks because this is the flesh…puffed up with pride , arrogance and self-glorification. They are people pleasers and have their hero’s who they defend zealously instead of defending the biblical truths.

It is amazing that they can accomodate statements from Benny Hinn,Kim Clement etc that are blatantly untrue and believe that these men are annointed by God. God NEVER lies…indeed the whole being of a Holy God is pure righteousness,goodness,pureness and uttermost integrity. It is blasphemous to even entertain such thinking and beliefs that are contradictory to this.

Grant C says:

Ivin

My ministry is aimed at souls, saving it and nothing else.

You certainly cannot save a single soul, salvation is exclusively what Jesus does. You cannot claim to be Jesus and expect Christians to remain silent.
Act 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

If you have taken time to read any of my other stuff besides this specific prophecy

Here are two things: 1) If one piece written by yourself contains falsehoods, should a Christian read more by the same author? I think not, one is enough to warn one to keep well away from false works. 2) Your prophecies are not Biblical and therefore false prophecies. You are not a Biblical prophet.

…inclination to drag everyone’s name through the mud…

I think you missed a word in this sentence, it should read …inclination to drag everyone FALSE’s name through the mud…

…two or three “agreement buddies”.

I haven’t counted, but it is more like be two or three hundred true Christians on this site who do agree that the false gospel and false churches must be exposed. The Bible also agrees. These people are not buddies, simply Biblical Christians, joined in Christ. That is, Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible. Add to those numbers the true Christians throughout the world and throughout history and you’ll be much closer to reality.

You bring down people like Angus Buchan and Smith Wigglesworth which clearly shows your character.

If you want to believe in their unbiblical teachings, that is your prerogative and your free will to choose whichever gospel and god you like. It does indicate your lack of Biblical discernment and you cannot expect Christians to keep silent about your decision if you make it public. Don’t take everything at face value. A microphone, fame, unsubstantiated claims, a leather hat and a million followers does not make for Biblical truth. I know. I’ve been close to that position, that is, the one with the microphone. Pray about it. 

… gift of discernment is described in the Bible as “between true and false spirits” – not people.

You are correct. However, if you are under the impression that false preachers are not influenced by false spirits and simply act on their own accord, you are very wrong. The Gospel of Jesus can only be understood and preached if the Holy Spirit is present in that preaching. Therefore, only if other spirits influence the false preacher, can the false gospel be motivated. Discerning between the false gospel and the true Gospel, or between Christian preachers and anti-Christian preachers, is therefore identifying true and false spirits. Is that too much for you? Pray about it too.

You are causing the Body of Christ great harm.

You’ve got to be kidding! Are you saying that a blog can undo what Jesus Himself did and influence His church? I think you give a mere blogsite way too much credit. I think also, you give the cross way too little credit. A blog can certainly cause a false church tremendous harm, even stop some of them dead in their tracks, but the true church cannot be harmed by words. Oh ye of so little faith!
Mat 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

…destroy other people’s ministries.

Again it would make some sense if you had inserted the word in bold here …destroy other people’s FALSE ministries.

…, you don’t know anything about me…

How do you know that? Do you know me?
 

…taken one article and blown it completely out of proportion…

How much information is needed to determine that which is unbiblical? What proportion of false teaching is acceptable? That is the same as accepting that a prophet was allowed to be partially incorrect, if only some of his prophecy was true.
Deu 18:22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

…, just like everybody else.

Be careful now, Ivin, assumptions like this could get you into trouble.

And you sir, don’t know the Bible

I made no claim, but you make a claim. Careful now. I do read the Bible prayerfully and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. But if you wish to use Mat 10:8 as proof that YOU can heal the sick, then you are the one who does not know the Bible. Are you one of the twelve whom Jesus was speaking to in Mat 10:8? Are you trying to convince the Jews that Jesus is the Messiah by trying to do miracles?

Otherwise you wouldn’t be so confident to say that it isn’t.

I am 100% confident that it isn’t. 100%. You have not been able to change the Word of God.

…now without the ability to defend themselves.

Because Hitler is now dead, we should not address his atrocities? An illogical argument. In addition, it is the false deeds or message that is being attacked or exposed, not the person, as that would be without purpose, because as you say, the man is dead.

…, just like everybody else.

Be careful now, Ivin, assumptions like this could get you into trouble

Grant mentions and Criticizes my “posting(S)” when he hasn’t read any of it.

When you accept the Gospel of Jesus as being the infallible Word of God, without addition or omission, without emergent influences, I might read what you write.

…or I may just take legal action

I will use your words which you wrote against me: “And you sir, don’t know the Bible”. See 1 Co 6: 1-8 for why you should not take a dispute over matters of the Faith to a court where it will be judged by unbelievers and the law of man.
1Co 6:5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers,
1Co 6:6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers?
1Co 6:7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?

I am just sick and tired of your personal vendetta.

I for one, have no reason whatsoever to have any vendetta against you, because if you are right, I might not know you. I do know Jesus, however. I can recognize false teachings when the Holy Spirit gives me assurance and when I test them against Scripture. We are not targeting you, we are targeting unbiblical teachings and false teachers. True Christians will never stop fighting for the Truth, they cannot afford to, as their very lives (souls) depend on it.
It is typical of the fans of the emergent church and its’ false gods to divert attention away from Biblical matters and label it ‘personal’ when they cannot substantiate their position from Scripture. I put it to you, sir, that you are doing exactly that. Next I expect you will refer to Mat 7: 1-5 to tell me I’m being judgmental.

…know what you’re talking about as you’re facts are all unsubstantiated

I said it earlier, I’ll say it again, be careful now Ivin, assumptions like this could get you into trouble and cost you dearly.

I have spent too much time commenting on this article so don’t expect more comments from me.

Surely Ivin, if you truly have the conviction that your version of the emergent gospel is worth giving your life (soul) for, there will never be enough time for you to convert Biblical Christians to it? Surely you should never want to give up trying to get Biblical Christians to accept your version of the truth?
Biblical Christians will never give up on bringing to you the Word of Truth.
2Co 4:2 But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God’s word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God.

My prayers are that you will come to see that you are not the target of an attack, but that the unbiblical beliefs and demonically influenced emergent gospel that you stand for, will always be.
The peace and the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ to you.

Michael says:

Ivin wrote;
“I mean they criticize the One Goal movement for “whatever” when all they wanna do is create awareness and help people and make countries their goal education for all Africans: What is wrong with that?”

If  you are fooled by this then you are blind to deception…there is a sinister plot in universalism…to destroy the privacy of the individual and control people in every facet of life for financial benefit for the powers of mamon…the powerful demon that the world worships. An attractive demon that appeals to those who want power and control of systems that do the very opposite of helping the poor. This powerful demon does not care for the impoverished and weak and is a parasite that feasts of the weaknesses of mankind and poses as an angel of light promising good will and new social structures to the benefit of mankind. This socialised order is a big lie…we have seen it with doctrines of Lenin (Karl Marx) and its coming back in a different form but with the same intention.

Guys…get wise…get a life…don’t be so blind…if the Spirit of the Living God lives in you then you will see this in His Word…He took the trouble and grace to warn us. Open your blind eyes and unstop your deaf ears. Keep alert…Deb’s has created this site not to attack you or your character but to enlightened the church…sometimes she gets a bit direct and seemingly blunt…I believe this in sincere however. ..She is not perfect and she knows this but her heart is in the right place . The prophets of old were direct and blunt and warned the people…today we need a big wake-up call. I am not patronising Deb’s but Christ is my only focus and His Word.

ivin says:

Deborah, as you might know, I am on sabbatical and ask kindly that we could continue when I am released. In the meantime let all of us commit this matter to prayer. Love
Ivin.

Valerie says:

The more I hear about the dominionist, the more I see the possibility that the Beast System of Revelation could be the apostate church. Every knee will bow right?

Adannaya says:

All this arguing! ? what if all of you are being deceived?  nowhere do I read that we should be spending our time throwing rocks at each other! what happened to covering in love? I have learned that the ones that always think THEY are right have a religeous spirit. I believe in sound biblical truth but NOWHERE that false prophets should be stoned ridiculed and put down by the “biblical prophets”, exposed yes, not analysed and torn to peaces, but given a chance to turn to truth in love.  This whole thing sadens me, I can not see Jesus reading this and going..well done my good and faithfull servants..thats exactly what I would have done??? No, He is Love and that is our greatest weapon, especially in the times to come. How are we going to love our enemies!!!!!!!!! if we cant love someone who is trying so hard and getting it wrong!!!!!  I believe your hearts are right and what you say is right, but be very very carefull to condemn others, especially if you believe they are doing a good job doing it to themselves!! Yours should be the hand strentching out to pull him out the sinkins sand, not the foot on his head pushing him further away from the truth.

Grant C says:

It seems almost pointless talking to someone like Ivin, who on the one hand claims to have an intention to serve Jesus Christ, but on the other hand refuses to apply Christian principles.

He displays an inability or unwillingness to accept Biblical doctrine. Everything makes him smile, but he refuses Biblical edification.

It is certainly no joke that he is in a position to influence young people and have some, who could be saved by hearing the true Gospel, lost to an emergent god.