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		By: mary		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would just stay away from the John Macarthurs and his disciples like Paul Washer and Ray Comfort. Calvanists have a works based salvation, which saves no one. The book of galatians warns us of the Judaisers, these are our modern day Judaisers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just stay away from the John Macarthurs and his disciples like Paul Washer and Ray Comfort. Calvanists have a works based salvation, which saves no one. The book of galatians warns us of the Judaisers, these are our modern day Judaisers.</p>
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		By: RTHORNE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RTHORNE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 21:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/03/22/ungodly-christian-pastors-in-our-churches/#comment-6034&quot;&gt;mijadedios&lt;/a&gt;.

Mijadedios

I saw your twitter message and forgot to read it.  OOOPS!!  

Anyhow, regarding your comment.  NO WAYS????

In fact.  If I am not mistaken.  John Piper voted for Obama.  He says so on a Youtube video or his website.  Go look for it.  No wonder he is taking 8 months leave.  I would too if I didn&#039;t notice from the day he first appeared on Oprah that there was something horribly wrong with him.  I mean really, people called him the Messiah within weeks of running for president.

You guys had one of two really bad choices to make.  far right and far left with the both meeting in secret on the side eating caviar and smoking cigars.

Also, we have a census coming up in SA and there was an article in a newspaper last year (and I didn&#039;t cut it out - unfortunately) that if we don&#039;t fill out the census we will be fined up to R10,000.

So, last time I checked a census was anonymous? Then again, Herod took a census and then killed all the first born.

36 months eh?  Ok *doing calculations* lol.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/03/22/ungodly-christian-pastors-in-our-churches/#comment-6034" >mijadedios</a>.</p>
<p>Mijadedios</p>
<p>I saw your twitter message and forgot to read it.  OOOPS!!  </p>
<p>Anyhow, regarding your comment.  NO WAYS????</p>
<p>In fact.  If I am not mistaken.  John Piper voted for Obama.  He says so on a Youtube video or his website.  Go look for it.  No wonder he is taking 8 months leave.  I would too if I didn&#8217;t notice from the day he first appeared on Oprah that there was something horribly wrong with him.  I mean really, people called him the Messiah within weeks of running for president.</p>
<p>You guys had one of two really bad choices to make.  far right and far left with the both meeting in secret on the side eating caviar and smoking cigars.</p>
<p>Also, we have a census coming up in SA and there was an article in a newspaper last year (and I didn&#8217;t cut it out &#8211; unfortunately) that if we don&#8217;t fill out the census we will be fined up to R10,000.</p>
<p>So, last time I checked a census was anonymous? Then again, Herod took a census and then killed all the first born.</p>
<p>36 months eh?  Ok *doing calculations* lol.</p>
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		By: mijadedios		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mijadedios]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just checking back on this article, because, I was on Twitter and a lovely discerning woman posted a site &quot;Solid Bible Teaching&quot; so I clicked on it...and weird! It does look awesome. I went to an article posted on the Church&#039;s blog entitled,&quot;How to pray for the president.&quot; And I tell you I struggle with that so I clicked on to read...wow, the pastor is quoting guess who: Albert Mohler and John Piper Here&#039;s the link: 
Now. It&#039;s obviously teaching submission to the most diabolical Anti-Christian, Anti-American, Anti-Life, Anti-Israel president we&#039;ve ever had and it&#039;s sad that well meaning Christ Loving Christians are truly afraid of their government. We have no need to shrink back! I know this govt. is wicked and Satanic, it&#039;s members worship Atheists (Sal Alinsky et al.) and we are on a mad dash towards End times prophesies! Whoa! And to add one more thing, another friend sent me a link RE: health care. in the bill HR 3200 the Sec. of Human Services will implant chips into us! yeah...in 36 months from now. Nice huh. Looking up! Thanks Deborah 4 this site. U Rock.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just checking back on this article, because, I was on Twitter and a lovely discerning woman posted a site &#8220;Solid Bible Teaching&#8221; so I clicked on it&#8230;and weird! It does look awesome. I went to an article posted on the Church&#8217;s blog entitled,&#8221;How to pray for the president.&#8221; And I tell you I struggle with that so I clicked on to read&#8230;wow, the pastor is quoting guess who: Albert Mohler and John Piper Here&#8217;s the link:<br />
Now. It&#8217;s obviously teaching submission to the most diabolical Anti-Christian, Anti-American, Anti-Life, Anti-Israel president we&#8217;ve ever had and it&#8217;s sad that well meaning Christ Loving Christians are truly afraid of their government. We have no need to shrink back! I know this govt. is wicked and Satanic, it&#8217;s members worship Atheists (Sal Alinsky et al.) and we are on a mad dash towards End times prophesies! Whoa! And to add one more thing, another friend sent me a link RE: health care. in the bill HR 3200 the Sec. of Human Services will implant chips into us! yeah&#8230;in 36 months from now. Nice huh. Looking up! Thanks Deborah 4 this site. U Rock.</p>
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		By: Bloomie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bloomie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Debra,
Everywhere I look around, there is deception. My eyes are wide open while prophecy is being fulfilled. Even as I am  thanking God for his indwelling spirit of discernment...my heart is soo heavy for my professing christians friends that are asleep while switching to another wind of doctrine. I have been crying non-stop this week because of the vileness of this doctrine.
Evil is on the increase and it&#039;s moving with velocity. If you are not rooted and grounded in the word of GOD, you WILL be carried away by the resurgence of, Or the emerging new wind of doctrines that&#039;s waiting in the wings. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debra,<br />
Everywhere I look around, there is deception. My eyes are wide open while prophecy is being fulfilled. Even as I am  thanking God for his indwelling spirit of discernment&#8230;my heart is soo heavy for my professing christians friends that are asleep while switching to another wind of doctrine. I have been crying non-stop this week because of the vileness of this doctrine.<br />
Evil is on the increase and it&#8217;s moving with velocity. If you are not rooted and grounded in the word of GOD, you WILL be carried away by the resurgence of, Or the emerging new wind of doctrines that&#8217;s waiting in the wings. </p>
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		By: cecilia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cecilia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[amen d! I ecco the last paragraph!

do you know you&#039;ve got a way with words?  you could have written several books by now, making looooots of goooood money! but you chose to warn... keep standing then!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amen d! I ecco the last paragraph!</p>
<p>do you know you&#8217;ve got a way with words?  you could have written several books by now, making looooots of goooood money! but you chose to warn&#8230; keep standing then!</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/03/22/ungodly-christian-pastors-in-our-churches/#comment-5626</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/03/22/ungodly-christian-pastors-in-our-churches/#comment-5623&quot;&gt;mijadedios&lt;/a&gt;.

mijadedios

Possible! You see you and I and everyone are already on a massive databases – who is to say that does not form part of it. They know what medicine you take through ICD-10 codes, they know if you are disabled, learning impaired, etc. Each person in the world has a unique ID number and now you can’t buy a cell phone without registering the sim card with your details. The world as we speak is currently being disarmed – in fact this week is the final deadline for all to hand in their guns in SA. When you open a bank account. They know who you are. When you start a job, they know where you work and what you do. When you pay tax they know a lot about what you own, your occupation, etc. Finger prints, DNA in databases, Retinal scans. Even your email, they can trace you from one email address to another.

Just as a matter of interest, look at your google account at the adverts/links being show to the right of the page and tell me if they are Christian adds or not? How do they know, do the scan your email? If the content of your email is Christian, then you get Christian adverts

This was showing at the very top outside of my gmail:

True Grace vs False Grace – http://www.hallvworthington.com – Does grace license freedom TO sin, or does grace free you FROM sin

This was showing on the right hand side of my gmail:

Are you still in sin? Can really confession and asking for forgiveness wash away sins?www.bjnewlife.org

1) Satan hates everyone, including those who are bringing him into power. His plan is that everyone worships him as God including his minions who brought him into power. He wants to be god of the people GOD created. And Satan will rule under the most extreme circumstances.
2) The first go will be the weak, disabled, sick, elderly, population explosion curbed via abortion
3) Then they will start on the rest: fascism moves into play.

Good news is, is that the church (the spiritual body of Christ) as it stands right now wont be on this earth – we will be caught up (raptured) to meet Jesus in the air). The time of the gentiles will then be over and the focus swings to Israel. 

Nations will march toward Israel, and a massive amount of false Christians (thinking they are Israelites) will move to Israel as well (everyone claiming it for themselves).

Everything is coming into play and very quickly I might add. The world is almost under the ‘Christs’ spell of love. Once he has got the mind of pretty much everyone he will show himself.

I don’t plan on being here to see it. I plan on being with Jesus, preferable holding onto Him tight and never letting Him go.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/03/22/ungodly-christian-pastors-in-our-churches/#comment-5623" >mijadedios</a>.</p>
<p>mijadedios</p>
<p>Possible! You see you and I and everyone are already on a massive databases – who is to say that does not form part of it. They know what medicine you take through ICD-10 codes, they know if you are disabled, learning impaired, etc. Each person in the world has a unique ID number and now you can’t buy a cell phone without registering the sim card with your details. The world as we speak is currently being disarmed – in fact this week is the final deadline for all to hand in their guns in SA. When you open a bank account. They know who you are. When you start a job, they know where you work and what you do. When you pay tax they know a lot about what you own, your occupation, etc. Finger prints, DNA in databases, Retinal scans. Even your email, they can trace you from one email address to another.</p>
<p>Just as a matter of interest, look at your google account at the adverts/links being show to the right of the page and tell me if they are Christian adds or not? How do they know, do the scan your email? If the content of your email is Christian, then you get Christian adverts</p>
<p>This was showing at the very top outside of my gmail:</p>
<p>True Grace vs False Grace – <a target="_blank" href="http://www.hallvworthington.com"  rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.hallvworthington.com</a> – Does grace license freedom TO sin, or does grace free you FROM sin</p>
<p>This was showing on the right hand side of my gmail:</p>
<p>Are you still in sin? Can really confession and asking for forgiveness wash away sins?www.bjnewlife.org</p>
<p>1) Satan hates everyone, including those who are bringing him into power. His plan is that everyone worships him as God including his minions who brought him into power. He wants to be god of the people GOD created. And Satan will rule under the most extreme circumstances.<br />
2) The first go will be the weak, disabled, sick, elderly, population explosion curbed via abortion<br />
3) Then they will start on the rest: fascism moves into play.</p>
<p>Good news is, is that the church (the spiritual body of Christ) as it stands right now wont be on this earth – we will be caught up (raptured) to meet Jesus in the air). The time of the gentiles will then be over and the focus swings to Israel. </p>
<p>Nations will march toward Israel, and a massive amount of false Christians (thinking they are Israelites) will move to Israel as well (everyone claiming it for themselves).</p>
<p>Everything is coming into play and very quickly I might add. The world is almost under the ‘Christs’ spell of love. Once he has got the mind of pretty much everyone he will show himself.</p>
<p>I don’t plan on being here to see it. I plan on being with Jesus, preferable holding onto Him tight and never letting Him go.</p>
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		By: mijadedios		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ok. I asked a question on another post. Then was referred here by a friend and this article pretty much answers the previous question. It was: What if the Chuck Missler&#039;s and others are infiltrated into the churches to build a data base to hand over to AC. So many R now in deep w/CFR UNESCO, etc. that this question seems elementary. So. We know they are on to us. They&#039;re probably watching this site. I don&#039;t care really. I&#039;m not afraid. But I think the coming persecution is much closer than we know. Especially as it seems the 5 sleeping Virgins are waking up again, trimming their lamps, and filling their flasks. (that&#039;s code for only real Christians will get)

[EDITED:  Moved your previous question right over here:

&quot;I just had a really disturbing thought. What if, the Chuck Missler’s and others who have entered into the Churches are gathering a Data Base of ppl to whom they will hand over to AC once AC is clearly identified? I mean this guy has distribution lists,names,addresses,credit card info, tons of info on ppl all over the nation where he’s spoken at Calvary Chapels. We saw Chino Hills run into a problem when their treasurer was found ’stealing’ a false conversion from Islam…there’s too much 4 a comment-but Just a wonder, what if..scenario. Am I off?&quot;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok. I asked a question on another post. Then was referred here by a friend and this article pretty much answers the previous question. It was: What if the Chuck Missler&#8217;s and others are infiltrated into the churches to build a data base to hand over to AC. So many R now in deep w/CFR UNESCO, etc. that this question seems elementary. So. We know they are on to us. They&#8217;re probably watching this site. I don&#8217;t care really. I&#8217;m not afraid. But I think the coming persecution is much closer than we know. Especially as it seems the 5 sleeping Virgins are waking up again, trimming their lamps, and filling their flasks. (that&#8217;s code for only real Christians will get)</p>
<p>[EDITED:  Moved your previous question right over here:</p>
<p>&#8220;I just had a really disturbing thought. What if, the Chuck Missler’s and others who have entered into the Churches are gathering a Data Base of ppl to whom they will hand over to AC once AC is clearly identified? I mean this guy has distribution lists,names,addresses,credit card info, tons of info on ppl all over the nation where he’s spoken at Calvary Chapels. We saw Chino Hills run into a problem when their treasurer was found ’stealing’ a false conversion from Islam…there’s too much 4 a comment-but Just a wonder, what if..scenario. Am I off?&#8221;]</p>
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		By: cecilia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cecilia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob Johnson, thanks for the transcript!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Johnson, thanks for the transcript!</p>
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		By: Thomas Lessing		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Lessing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I grieve when I read about well-known pastors who have missed the bus (or is the mark?). Really, I grieve because it is not the will of God that any of them should apostasize from the faith. Jesus shed his blood for each and everyone of them and it is sad to see and hear how they have denied the Lord. It is very sad.

&lt;blockquote&gt;2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

One of the most horrendous ways of denying the Lord is to associate with people who are God&#039;s enemies and are bent on the destruction of biblical Christianity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grieve when I read about well-known pastors who have missed the bus (or is the mark?). Really, I grieve because it is not the will of God that any of them should apostasize from the faith. Jesus shed his blood for each and everyone of them and it is sad to see and hear how they have denied the Lord. It is very sad.</p>
<blockquote><p>2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.</p></blockquote>
<p>One of the most horrendous ways of denying the Lord is to associate with people who are God&#8217;s enemies and are bent on the destruction of biblical Christianity.</p>
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