Eric von Anderseck – Mystery Christ ‘blowing his Trumpet’ – Identified

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Eric von Anderseck – Mystery Christ ‘blowing his Trumpet’ – Identified

It’s Metatron.

Second 8th Week Apostolic Institute of Theology are an online based organisation where you sign up to study with them and they send you ‘biblical’ course material.  The problem is the course material is not biblical, the founders of this institute are cult leaders and their entire gospel is based around the Book of Enoch.

Second 8th Week Ministries – South Africa

“God is now pouring out His Grace upon the nations bringing believers back to the Second Covenant of Jesus Christ. The second 8th Week is the time allotted by God for the restoration of the true and living knowledge of Jesus Christ. It is now the time for the body of Christ to come into a unity and oneness that reflect the kingdom of God.”   —

This is what Dr. Eric von Anderseck, founder of Second 8th Week, has to say:

“Dear Prospective Students:

On behalf of myself and the staff, I would like to extend a warm welcome to you! As you may know, the church is in an exciting time of transition back to her first love, back to the first works of the Second Covenant of Jesus Christ. As a steward of the house of Jesus Christ, His judgments of mercy for the church were revealed to me in 1982. The word of the Lord said to me:

‘THERE SHALL BE A UNITY THAT SHALL NOT BE FEIGNED, AND A ONENESS THAT WILL NOT BE DECEITFUL.’

The Lord is speaking of the restoration of His church. Before it was in our minds to pray for revival, it was in the mind and heart of God. Before we knew to ask God to return the church to true Apostolic Governance, it was in the mind of our Lord. Before we knew to cry out to God for truth, it was in the mind of the Lord to return the church to the unity of the faith and the cross of Christ. We know that when God gives a word He already has a plan to bring that word to pass and a season for its fulfillment.

What begins as a still small voice that is heard by a few, grows until the word of the Lord fills the earth, making glad the hearts of all those who hear. God has marked this time in church history to restore living apostles to teach and nurture the church. For As God sent Adam to steward His garden so God sends apostles to steward His divine nature in the hearts of His saints. The apostles of Jesus Christ: Peter, John, James, and Paul were called of God to direct the church in righteousness and build the church in faith.

The grace of God did not end with the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ. By step upon step and order by order the church is built by the Spirit of the Lord through living apostles today. The Bible teaches that the New Testament is not the letter of the text, but the living record of Jesus Christ. Therefore apostles teach Christ by the pattern of His covenant and believers live by the power of the Spirit. Second 8th Week Apostolic Institute of Theology has much to offer. If you are a believer in Christ and would like to transition into the Second Covenant to grow up into Christ’s fulness and learn how to minister to others, we welcome you.

The season is manifest for leaders and ministers to join hands to labor in His field, reaping the end time harvest. The righteous rejoice in the equity of God, which we carry to all places, to all brethren, to enrich all in the faith. Enrollment into the Second 8TH Week Apostolic Institute of Theology covers all the basics of the Christian walk and preparation for ministerial duties. Curriculum covers the foundation of truth, why the church needs living apostles today, Discipleship, Doxology Training, Dream Workshop, Pattern Recognition Skills, stewardship, and God’s Intelligent Design for Christ-Centered Spiritual Transformation in the soul. If you are a minister seeking leadership training and accreditation, we welcome you. If you are a minister and have a congregation, Bible study group, or college and you would like to transition into the Second Covenant, we welcome you.

If you are looking for a church home, we welcome you to take our membership course and begin to assemble with us online. Let your hands be strong to labor in righteousness. charity will release the soul of bondage.”   — http://www.second8thweek.com

But wait!   Not only did Eric von Anderseck get a message from Jesus in 1982, Jesus also gave him one in 1984:

“TELL THEM I AM COME TO BRING LIFE … I AM COME TO BRING THEM OUT OF DARKNESS. LOVE JESUS.”   —

But wait, you are probably wanting to know WHO Metatron is?

“For centuries Christians have been fearful of Prophet Enoch’s writings, in part due to the distortion of his identity with Adam’s grandson, named Enoch who was the father of the Mystery Religions and all idolatries and partly due to the confusion of another Enoch, the son of wicked Cain who slew his brother Able.

The Prophet Enoch, a holy man of God, is spoken of in the Bible in Genesis 5:23-24, “And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years. And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.” He was raptured, or translated to heaven, as we read in the book of Hebrews, “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God” (Heb.11:5).

God was pleased with Enoch so translated him to heaven. It also pleased God to change his name to Metatron and give him a multi-dimensional tour of the cosmos, the mystery of His Throne, God’s creation from beginning to end, and the behind the scenes look at His invisible kingdom and master plan for us”     — “Concise Commentary of the Books of Enoch”,  Eric W.B. vonAnderseck Th.D, D.D.  http://book-of-enoch.org

The following people are apostles at Second 8th Week Ministries in South Africa:

  • John Welty
  • Rina Bekker
  • Nena Kleimola
  • George Kleimola
  • Cobus Wolmarans
  • Bart Neethling

Why Mosselbay?  Well…

“‘n Menigde profesieê en openbaringe meld dat daar ‘n groot herlewing sal wees en dat dit in die Kaap provinsie sal begin.  Meeste Suid Afrikaners is baie bekend met Siener van Rensburg.  Vanaf 1871 tot en met sy dood in 1926 het hy meer as 700 visioene oor die toekoms van Suid Afrika, ander nasies asook wêreld gebeure gehad. Sy profesieê is tot vandag toe veelbesproke.

Hy het die groot griep epidemie van 1918 profeteer; Engeland se verlies van al haar kolonies, die onafhanklikheid van Ierland, Die Chernobyl ramp van 1986, Princess Diana se egskeiding en dood “‘n pragtige Engelse dame in ‘n motor ongeluk wat deur die hele wêreld betreur sou word) asook die bankrotskap en skuld van Amerika en Engeland.

Alhoewel meeste van sy visioene oor wêreldgebeure, politiek en oorloê was, was daar buitengewone openbaringe wat hy ontvang het, wat hy nie kon plaas nie, wat vir ons dalk van belang kan wees en wat inskakel by die huidige visioene in die lug oor Mosselbaai.

In 1924 profeteer hy; “Ek het ‘n eienaardige  optog van mense gesien;  Ek sien ‘n wawiel rol uit Kaapland oor die ganse Suid Afrika en sien ‘n groot skare mense saamdrom.  Dis ver in die toekoms en ek glo nie dis oorlog nie. Dit lyk soos ‘n trek.  In die boek ‘Stem van die Profeet’  word daar na hierdie optog verwys as ‘n ossewatrek.  Dit weerspreek dan die feit dat die profesie se ‘dis ver in die toekoms.’  Ons is lank nie meer in die era van die ossewa nie. Hierdie is ‘n geestelike profesie, daarom kon die siener nie bepaal wat hierdie skare mense voorstel nie. God lig nou hierdie profesieê uit aan die wat Sy tydvlak verstaan.

Siener van Rensburg meld ook dat die tweede koms van Jesus Christus, ‘n JUBELJAAR sal wees en dat dit sal veroorsaak dat die grense van Suid-Afrika verleng sal word tot in Zimbabwe and Namibia.   Hy sê dan ook in een van sy profesieê dat die probleme in Suid Afrika van baie korter duur sal wees as dit vergelyk word met ander lande, want die Here gaan Sy krag en seên oor ons uitstort en so veroorsaak dat Suid Afrika ‘n veilige hawe gaan wees vir Christene van oral oor die wêreld.

Siener van Rensburg het ook voorspel dat “duisende  Christene Europa gaan verlaat en na Suid Afrika toe gaan stroom. Hy het gesien hoe hierdie mense se tente staan vanaf die KAAP tot in die Kalahari en Namibiê; vanaf Durban tot in Mosambiek (Maputu). Dit sal tydelike verblyf aan Christene bied; want Suid Afrika sal in daardie tye glo nie net die veiligste land ter wêreld wees nie, maar ook die enigste Christenland.  (Stem van die Profeet deur Adriaan Snyman)

Apostel Rina Bekker van Second 8th Week Bedieninge, wat 10 jaar gelede een van Suid Afrika se nuutste Apostoliese bewegings hier in Mosselbaai gestig het, glo dat daar ‘n geestelike skakel is wat hierdie profesieê koppel aan dit wat God nou hier in Mosselbaai doen.

“Ek glo daar is ‘n direkte skakel tussen die Trompet foto’s, die Herder in die wolke en die siener se profesieê.  Ek glo dat God duidelik met ons praat deur die Siener se profesieê, wat duidelik verwys na die JUBELJAAR (waarin ons nou is) God bevestig dit nou met hierdie tekens in die lug.”

Die optog van mense en Christene wat van dwarsoor die wêreld instroom na Suid Afrika, spreek van God se wekroep tot al die nasies.  Hy roep die massas op na hierdie area om met Sy eindtyd werk te begin.  Vyftien jaar gelede het God aan my openbaar dat Sy herlewing hier in Mosselbaai gaan begin, en soos wat God Sy tekens en wonders gaan vermeerder, gaan die boodskap en krag van God soos ‘n wiel uitrol.  “Ek het gesien hoe dit begin in Mosselbaai en dan uitrol tot in Kaapstad, dan weer in die teenoorgestelde rigting na Port Elizabeth, dan uit in al die dele van die land, die wêreld in.” Ons leef in ‘n tyd van vervulling van hierdie profesieê.

As ons na die wiel in Siener van Rensburg se profesie kyk kan ons ook die skakel sien met woorde wat in  die afgelope paar maande in apostoliese byeenkomste deurgegee is.  God het woorde deurgegee oor “die wiel van mobilisasie”, “mobilisasie van die kerk” .  In Januarie 2010 het God aan apostel Rina die volgende woord gegee: “Ek mobiliseer nou my kerk.”

Geestelik gesproke is die kerk op ‘n laagtepunt en is dit nodig dat sy sal terugkeer na God se goddelike orde vir geloof, die verbond van Jesus Christus.  Ons het briewe ontvang van mense oral oor Afrika wat die foto’s van die Trompet Basuin en die Herder in die wolke gesien het, en hierdie dinge bevestig wat God nou openbaar.  Internasionale reaksie stroom nou ook in.”   —

OKAY, well this has opened up a whole new can of worms.

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Original photo in the article:  Christ appears in cloud at Mosselbay

Rosa Ellis took a photo using her cell phone while in Danabaai where she claims you can clearly see Christ holding a lamb in his arms. Apostle Rina Bekker says this is also a sign of the end times.

And here is a picture of the red trumpet.  They say,

“The photo was of a huge trumpet in the sky of Mossel Bay South Africa. This was not a cloud formation, but as you can see in the photo, a clear and unmistakable trumpet. The photograph is authentic and has not been edited in any way.”  —

… I think they should have edited the picture cos it looks like a Vuvuzela.

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Burning Lamp

Melissa, regarding the thrones, let’s look at the text again:

In Matthew 19:28 Jesus informed Peter and the other apostles: “Assuredly I say to you, that IN THE REGENERATION, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” NKJV
It says “in the regeneration” – that would mean something new and different, yet to come.
and Matthew 25:31 NKJV

When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy[a] angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
and Luke 22:30 NKJV

“that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

Would you agree that the 12 thrones have ALREADY been filled?
As for the word “throne” – when Christ returns and sets up His kingdom, the 12 will judge the nations of Israel it would indicate at that time they would sit in some sort of seat of authority.
Whether it is behind a judge’s bench as we know it or from the throne
as of a monarch, it really doesn’t matter. It is the POSITION of authority that is RESERVED for the 12 who Christ ordained to that position and that position is CLOSED. There will be no more inductees!!

Sorry, but “Apostle” Eric does not fit into that scenario.

I ask you Melissa, what is your view on the position your perceived Apostle in light of the above verses?
There is no seat of authority reserved for him or anyone else no matter what they call themselves.

I pray the scales will fall from your eyes and you will see the truth. None of this is said with a critical spirit, but out of a sincere concern.

Greg

Melissa,

Evangelist Melissa Bolduc wrote:

>>>Greg, You missed the point of my comment totally. This is “straining at a gnat to swallow a camel”.The fact that there are 30,000 religions/denominations which profess Christ is evidence enough of the multitudes of various doctrines/gospels. Is Christ divided? Can a body be complete and function properly if there is no unity in the faith?

No I am not straining at a gnat. My point is that your organisation thrives on exaggeration and hyperbole. The fact is there is not thousands of different Christian denominations with thousands of different gospels. There is only one church with one gospel and there are doctrines that people differ on. But as Paul said in Philipians 3: “15 All of us, then, who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. 16 Only let us live up to what we have already attained.”

But your position Melissa is that only an apostle can make it clear to you whereas Paul said GOD will make it clear to you. Cant you see that?? If Paul could make things clear then why would he need to say God would?? Because only the Holy Spirit confirms truth personally to each believer. I also asked you to about the different denominations because I know that yourself and your husband visited many kinds of religious organisations looking for truth but you eventually believe you found it in second8thweek.

Can you tell me Melissa: When and how were you born again??

Also to address your other points:

Evangelist Melissa Bolduc wrote:

>>>As to your comment “Your answers have to be corrected” this is taken out of context. eg If the 9 virtues of Christ are listed and the student is asked what they are and they can only name 7 we assist their faith by giving them the other 2.The quizzes are open lesson quizzes meaning one can copy and paste the correct answer. The personal instructor counselor is there to assist the faith of the believer, not to correct and grade as the world system works.
Excerpt:

The world does not correct and grade Christians because they do not submit their faith for scrutiny to see if they are in Christ to the world. But it seems your organisation does exactly that. Tell me Melissa Can you show me ANYWHERE in the bible where apostles corrected peoples faith through courses.

Here’s the thing Melissa..You say that peoples faith is only accepted by God if they learn from living apostles and speak in tongues. What differentiates your organisation from lets say the United Pentecostal Church which believes you have to speak in tongues to be saved. Or any pentecostal church where they speak in tongues? And see healings and have prophetic gifts? Is it because they dont accept books that you say are scripture when they clearly are not?

Evangelist Melissa Bolduc wrote:

The correct name of that supplement is “Can Faith Be Perfect If Truth Is In Part? by the way that’s a no brainer question, the answer is NO. I believe you can find that on the .org site.

Searched for it and can’t find it. Can you please tell me where I can find the following teachings:

1″Other Writings”
2.”The Headship of Christ”
3.”Apostles teach”
4.”I need no Man to Teach me”
5.”The Baptism of the Holy Spirit”
6. “Root causes of a faith in Crisis”
7.” The Baptism we need for salvation”
8.”Walking in covenant with God!”
9.”Why can’t I believe in God my own way”
10.”Are you in the perfect will of God”
11.2Are you ready to come to terms”

Lets look again at your method of correction in what you call “Quizzes” from you comment above. You said I took the quoted out of context that you had to do lessons which had to be corrected. Did I take it out of context??? in what way?? I believe I did not Melissa. I am saying that your correction methods whether they be by quiz multiple choice questions or whatever? Are simply that! CORRECTION!! Correction of the persons faith according to Eric VonAnderseck. For you to try and pretend otherwise is false and misleading. You even use the word “Correct” yourself! You even contradict your own self with your statements about the quizzes and my statement. Shall we look at it??

Evangelist Melissa Bolduc wrote:

>>>As to your comment “Your answers have to be corrected” this is taken out of context.

How so? are you correcting their faith or not?

Evangelist Melissa Bolduc wrote:

eg If the 9 virtues of Christ are listed and the student is asked what they are and they can only name 7 we assist their faith by giving them the other 2.The quizzes are open lesson quizzes meaning one can copy and paste the correct answer.

The correct answer..seems like you are correcting them. But correct answer according to whom? The answers are already predetermined by Eric VonAnderseck. There is no room for discussion in your quizzes. I know I’ve seen one, in the “Other Writings” teaching. Maybe I will feature it here to show people how there is no room for discussion on the teaching.

Melissa, I could write a hundred pages pointing out the contradictions that are made from second8thweek from 1.the statements of it’s disciples 2. your lessons 3.your preaching methods 4. you beliefs about who is saved and who isn’t.

Tell me Melissa? what do you think about Rinna Bekker losing her salvation now that her faith is reprobate because she no longer follows Eric. But yet Eric says that the saints in Mossel Bay under her are growing..How come??

If she is no longer part of the very gospel you preach as she is now out of one of the components (government) how can she preach the gospel? Can she get her salvation back? or is it once a TARE always a TARE?

On the book of James you are ABSOLUTELY wrong. Show me where James is speaking about tongues or following an apostle as part of salvation? You can’t..thats why when I highlighted what the book was about and said it was not about tongues or following apostles you ended your letter like this:

Evangelist Melissa Bolduc wrote:

>>>Thank you for the commentary Greg, but I have already received the foundation of Christ laid in my heart by a living apostle and need not to lay another one.
Greg

Your foundation is false Melissa. You have believed a false gospel from a false apostle. I pray Father in heaven that you will show Melissa the errors and false teachings that have been sown in her soul. I pray Heavenly Father that you will lead her to the truth of your Salvation and bring her to the knowledge of your son Jesus Christ. Amen.

Yours Humbly Melissa, Greg.

Evangelist Melissa Bolduc

Burning Lamp wrote:

Melissa, regarding the thrones, let’s look at the text again:
In Matthew 19:28 Jesus informed Peter and the other apostles: “Assuredly I say to you, that IN THE REGENERATION, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” NKJV
It says “in the regeneration” – that would mean something new and different, yet to come.
and Matthew 25:31 NKJV
When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy[a] angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
and Luke 22:30 NKJV
“that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
Would you agree that the 12 thrones have ALREADY been filled?
As for the word “throne” – when Christ returns and sets up His kingdom, the 12 will judge the nations of Israel it would indicate at that time they would sit in some sort of seat of authority.
Whether it is behind a judge’s bench as we know it or from the throne
as of a monarch, it really doesn’t matter. It is the POSITION of authority that is RESERVED for the 12 who Christ ordained to that position and that position is CLOSED. There will be no more inductees!!
Sorry, but “Apostle” Eric does not fit into that scenario.
I ask you Melissa, what is your view on the position your perceived Apostle in light of the above verses?
There is no seat of authority reserved for him or anyone else no matter what they call themselves.
I pray the scales will fall from your eyes and you will see the truth. None of this is said with a critical spirit, but out of a sincere concern.

Bl,

I pray the scales will fall off of your eyes, I didn’t write any of what you are referencing here. :-)Evangelist Melissa

Evangelist Melissa Bolduc

Evangelist Melissa Bolduc wrote:

[DELETED by DTW: Melissa if you can’t speak to me nicely, then expect me to delete your comments.]

Burning Lamp wrote:

Melissa – I said I was done, but you specifically asked for a response. This forum is
not sufficient for what you need which is an intervention. But I will answer these last
questions as briefly as possible.
You asked: “How can this not be an ongoing process? Do you mean to tell me that our souls are healed in an instant? “
Healed? This is evidence of your confusion about the gift of salvation. When one makes a conscious decision to acknowledge themselves as sinners and accept the sacrifice of Christ for one’s sins, and it is genuine, the person comes alive spiritually, yes instanteously and the Holy Spirit comes to reside in the person’s being. Before they were spiritually dead and the new birth makes them spiritually alive. Yes, this determines the eternal destiny of the person – rejection of Christ results in eternal damnation in hell. Becoming a new creation in Christ means spending eternity with Him. The person is adopted into God’s family. He becomes “joint heirs with Christ”. The transaction is permanent and biding.
You said: “And are you saying that once you acknowledge Christ as the Son of God, and “invite him into your heart” (nowhere does the apostle use this term in their epistles by the way) that you can now do what you want and you will go to heaven? That you will never lose you salvation it doesn’t matter what you do? If this is what you are saying please tell me why someone would then be obedient to God? This is a very popular doctrine that has appeal because it excuses man of responsibility of faith. Man can do whatever he wants as long as he acknowledges Christ. This is what man wants to hear, therefor they endorse this false doctrine. When you read the old testament where do you see this pattern? “
Melissa, the Bible may not use the exact words “invite Christ into your heart” but that is exactly what it means – as I have stated previously. Let’s not mince over terminology.
Of course it doesn’t mean that a Christian can do as they please. We should obey God out of gratitude for what He has done, but let’s face it, we still have the flesh and Satan who tempts us. God is the Christian’s Father – He loves His children and will discipline them if they disobey just as any good earthly parent will do. The Bible calls it “chastening”. There ARE are consequences to disobedience, but losing one’s salvation is not one of them. As for the Old Testament, that as under the Old Covenant. God often made crispy critters out of those who disobeyed. Since Christ came we don’t see that happening, do we?
You said: “We love God with an equal measure by giving back to Him his Son. We do this by abiding in the terms of the second covenant and touching the tools of the Spirit. (contact points).“
Excuse me, tools of the Spirit – where is THAT in the Bible?
You said: “Nowhere in the bible did Jesus say that He is the scriptures and nowhere did He say. “the scriptures are the word of God”.”
He was always pointing to Himself as the Word. He is the pattern for our faith/ record for our faith. He is sufficient for faith. Christ is all we need.
Boy are you ever confused! Do you mean to say that the Bible is not the Word of God? Do you believe in the Trinity? Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One. The Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Christ is the Word made flesh. It is pretty simply math – One + One + One = Triune God All in One-One in all.
You are once again comparing apples to oranges. This is where Pentecostal belief falls off the truck.
Deborah has given a great exposition on this elsewhere on this site. I don’t feel the need to rehash that. Since your beliefs are so riddled with error and false teaching it is a very real possibility that the “tongues” you are receiving could be a counterfeit from Satan. That is a scary thought.
You said: “Tongues is the evidence of your baptism. It is an outward sign that gives witness to what is within.”
You are once again comparing apples to oranges. This is where Pentecostal belief falls off the truck.
Deborah has given a great exposition on this elsewhere on this site. I don’t feel the need to rehash that. Since your beliefs are so riddled with error and false teaching it is a very real possibility that the “tongues” you are receiving could be a counterfeit from Satan. That is a scary thought.

This is the one I meant to reference regarding the removing of the scales from your eyes. I did not write this:-) Although I agree with what was written by her ;-)

Greg

Eric, if you are still there,

Just to clear something up! You said:

Apostle Eric vonAnderseck wrote:

Q16. And 3. If you maintain that only apostles can confirm if a persons faith in Christ is genuine then how do you know that you really led people to Christ in that Church you left, because you did not become an apostle till years later. Did you go back and confirm their faith?
A16. Thats correct, I had to be converted and that is seen in the testimony. I was still preaching the “OLD SYSTEM” gospel. Though I was filled with the Holy Ghost, God had to re-educate me in His covenant and that began with His grace. He opened my eyes and through dreams and visions (Heb. 6:4-5) and the powers of the world to come, sanctified my faith and concealed me until the time when I would enter my lot.
This ministry began to slowly morph and we had to define what God is doing to the general church world, and that is not easy, and we had to perfect things in the web-sights for clarification where some think it is a contradiction. Now over 10 years later and more computer savvy we are on task with the Lord’s help.

May I ask who was the Living apostle that confirmed your faith? you said above you were filled with the Holy Ghost? but who told you you were? God? if so how come you teach that Christians cannot hear directly from God they must be taught by a living apostle? Can you tell me also what is ” the OLD SYSTEM” gospel??

Second thing to clear up; You said:
Apostle Eric vonAnderseck wrote:

About Charisma Magazine forum; I received an e-mail from Charisma that they got a virus from a guy named Steve (or Barry) in Australia (your friend.) and now you fabricate more things to add to your sin.

Could you tell me what exactly you mean by this comment. For clarity sake in regards to Charisma the editors wrote to me on two occasions. One was to agree that I could post material on their forum challenging your ministry. So your pretending that they were on your side is misleading..they were not. Secondly, they wrote to me when I asked them why they banned people who were challenging you they told me that the people had said unkind things to them so it was nothing to do with any virus. It is my belief that they closed the forum for two reasons. One because it had degenerated into a ridiculous debate between sincere members of the forum and your followers who joined to, may I say I feel,rescue you because you could not keep up with the questions. In fact nobody was actually bothering with you Eric because they could not make head nor tail of what your were saying, until I turned up and pieced together for them an explanation of your teachings because I had studied them.

The second reason it closed I believe was because the members of the forum were constantly attacking the owners and editors of the site for following what the members believed to be a false apostolic and prophetic movement which is about a thousand times the size of yours Eric. Charisma has a history of closing down and reopening again and it was nothing to do with a virus from anybody.

Greg.

Beaudene

amen amen amen evangelist melissa.

One can clearly see the difference between a covenant believer (those who have the temperament of the Spirit) and those who seek to jusitify their own indifference (their behaviour and evil[which means faithless] responses are a sign against them).

Once people feel threatened or insecure about their own faith, they ask others to quote exactly from the bible.

The mystery of CHrist is not revealed through scripture, but by grace and the revelation that God gives.

Beaudene

Mockery and guile overflows from the lips of the wicked, but those who are in Christ speak true charity which confirms Christ and His covenant.

Still praying for you

[EDITED by DTW: That’s your answer? When you are cornered then you speak like someone is mocking you? No Beaudene, we are not mocking you, we are trying to get you to WAKE UP to the fact that you are in a CULT – We are trying to save your life my dear! That is LOVE!]

Burning Lamp

Beaudene said:

The mystery of CHrist is not revealed through scripture, but by grace and the revelation that God gives.

This shows exactly the mentality we are dealing with here – the absolute delusion.
Beaudene has declared that her group doesn’t regard God’s Word as the Authority, but rather EXTRA-BILICAL revelation. That is the mark of a CULT. End of story. I’m done. May God have mercy upon all these people and deliver them from this darkness. How tragic.

Burning Lamp

Melissa said:

Deb,

What is BRILLIANT is your carnal perception is that a throne is that of a chair.

Melissa, did you forget this conversation? Also, you obviously have no answer to this very important question. I had respectfully asked for a response to the “throne” question. I am still waiting.

sylesa

Hello all. Nobody posting comments today? I tried to post one this morning and i think that i hit the button twice and it said “duplicate message” but neither message showed on the board as awaiting moderation. Are you off today Deborah? I am going to read thru some of the blogs, Apostle Eric is particularly facinating as a case study of the pathology of a false teacher so i guess i will take the time to read since there are no new posts.

sylesa

Eric, you are a wolf in sheeps clothing, and i cannot imagine that anybody with enough bible knowledge to fill a thimble would fall for your agenda. You are doing the work of your father the devil, that is obvious. The canon of scripture is closed and we dont need any “revelation” or dreams and visions or anything else from you. WHO by the way is asking “where are the Apostles?” WHO is saying “where is truth?”The scriptures are truth, NOT YOU! NOT any extrabiblical anything from you!Nobody who properly values the written Word would listen to you, nobody who has any true knowledge of God would listen to you. Sadly, there are those without knowledge who would listen to you and i pray that the warning about you not only goes out frm this website, but i will also for my part warn other about you in my community just to bring awareness of people like you , so that if anybody even STUMBLES on your website they will have been forwarned.There’s a hotter place in hell for you Eric.And unless you think that i am hateful , i am not, i do not hate you, but i at the same time hate the spirit that works in you and thru you. Jesus himself saved his most scathing comments to the false religious leaders of the day and through jude and Peter and Timothy ect.ect., many harsh warnings given to and about false teachers lest you feel “persecuted”. I believe you know exactly what you are doing and judging by your picture, you are op ther in age Eric so i suggest you call on the True and living God and ask Him to give you grace to both fear God and humble yourself and repent of what you are doing while you can. If by some chance you are decieved into actually really believing yourself the things that you are trying to teach others, then you need to ask Jesus to have mercy on you and open your eyes and your heart to see Him and the Truth of his Word. I will pray for you Eric.

Beaudene

To burning lamp.

You know that it says in the bible that Jesus revealed the mystery of the gospel to the Apostle Paul right???

So How did Jesus reveal this unto Him, through scripture or the revelation of His grace?????

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY, which was kept secret since the world began.

Epesians 3:3 How that by REVELATION he made known unto me the MYSTERY!!!

The bible is not the word of God, Jesus Christ is the word of God. The bible is a written record of Jesus Christ in His reality and the types and shadows, new testament and old.

Beaudene

Deb.

Wat die hart van vol is loop die mond van oor.

Michael

>>The bible is not the word of God, Jesus Christ is the word of God. The bible is a written record of Jesus Christ in His reality and the types and shadows, new testament and old.

What next…where and how these people derive the message of salvation…false and twisted doctrine…doctrines of devils…no standards or integrity ,no wonder there is such confusion…they rely on visions and emotions and men and women who appoint themselves as the relevation of a new gospel and additional extensions of God’s. They contaminate and pollute the tried and trusted scriptures according to their evil desires and wims…no wonder the church is in a mess and souls are being send on their way to hell in their myriads.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Tim:3:16
and
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book…Rev 22:19

and
Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.Proverbs 30:6

Monique Babst

In Closing

Greg says; And as regard my feelings about you Eric, are they love or hate? All I can say is that long ago on bended knees I prayed through deep tears and through gritted teeth ” Lord! crush this mans ministry!!! but not him. Destroy this mans ministry off the face of the earth!!! but not him. And I pray oh Lord that you will use me to do it! or to be part of your plan in doing it! Amen”

The apostle John warns the saints that the religious moral code will follow Cain’s logic to remove the offence of truth and to settle the conscience.

1 John 3:12 NOT AS CAIN, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.

Greg believes he represents Christ in his zeal to disprove the apostleship and the timeframe we live in, but having no authority nor calling or lot sets his own soul as a record to rival truth by wresting scriptures to his own destruction. Replacing charity with whispering and rebuke. John says;

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that LOVETH is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that LOVETH not knoweth not God; for God is love.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that LOVETH not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who LOVETH God love his brother also.

Observe the spirit and temperament of Greg that it is not Christ. .

Michael

Yes…The Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us…full of grace and truth and yes this the Lord Jesus Christ but that does not eliminate or substitute it or make it null and void…you cannot separate Christ from God’s Word as they are one. Can you now see how the devil works with word play and manipulation…he (Satan and his demons) is always quoting scripture out of context…he even had the audacity and cheek to quote it to Jesus after He was in the desert after 40 days/nights.
If he thought he had a chance there against the Son of Man…doing it to ignorant and unredeemed man (and sometimes the elect)…is a piece of cake. With mankind he will persist and persist to lead them away from the truth.

Burning Lamp

Beudene, don’t you believe that Jesus is God? And do you believe in the Trinity – Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

The Bible was written through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit whom Jesus sent when He ascended. A Helper – Why did God WRITE the Bible? It is ALL we need. Anything beyond it is FALSE.

Burning Lamp

Correction – He promised to send the Holy Spirit but He came later – anyone who knows the Bible knows that, but didn’t want to leave that open.

Burning Lamp

Sylesa, yeah, if you are in the States, you have to take into account the difference in time zones. You left your comment at 4:00 a.m.
SA time. :-)

Barland Johnson

Deborah, Burning Lamp, Greg and our brothers and sisters who are earnestly contending for the faith.
Firstly – wow, this has really opened up much debate and much discussion.
Secondly – Thank you very much Deborah for your effort and all others who work very hard at exposing the evil so prevalent in our “christian” society.
I was really amused at an incoherent and contradictory presentation by those who are false in every way. I have seen an undertone of heavy shepherding by the so called elite of Christendom threatening expulsion or excommunication of the ‘disobedient” of their flock.
This really presents a dilema to all who visit the organisation whether by electronic means or a physical visit. I therefore would encourage Greg to continue to expose the evil and warn many about the danger that these evil workers present.

Paul warns that the Holy Spirit expressly says that in the last days many will fal away from the faith giving heed to the doctrine of demons. 1 Timothy 4 verse 1

In contrast to the original apostles and evangelist and christian workers there can be no comparison between the works of the apostles in the book of Acts – they always proclaimed Christ and no-one else. they were humble and never spoke of themselves in the 3rd person – and Eric and his followers.

To Eric and his crew our faith (believers in CHRIST) is about GOD and not the apostles. It is about the SON OF GOD and HIS saving work and not about any man’s knowledge. It is about THE HOLY SPIRIT who indwells everyone who has repented, believed and has been BAPTISED and then receives the GIFT of the HOLY Spirit.
To Eric and his followers the WORDS of CHRIST according to John 6:63 is SPIRIT and they GIVE life – not the apostles. The apostles were given a job to preach the truth and not magnify themselves. Everyone who believes is a new person, having been born again of SPIRIT AND WATER.
Are you and any of your followers born again? Do you display the fruit of repentance?
Are you a new person – as 1 Samuel 6 verse 10 states, —“The Holy Spirit will come upon you mightily ….. and you will be changed into another person.
I dare venture that you are not. I dare say that you are dead and not alive. I dare say that you and followers have never been cut to the heart and repented of your sin. Because you are dead and not alive you cannot preach the WORD of GOD, which is and Who is Christ Jesus, and the bible is the WORD of GOD according 2 Timothy 3 verse 16.”For All Scripture is inspired of GOD…”
JESUS when being tempted by the devil in wilderness confirmed that scriptures are the WORD of GOD when he quoted verbatim the LIVING WORD of GOD when he quote from Deuteronomy chapters 6 and 8.
1. “Man shall not live by bread….” Deut 8 verse 3
2. “…..and you shall worship Him…” Deut 6:13
3. “You shal not put the Lord your God to the test….” Deut 6:16
The devil also quoted the PSALMS in Matthew Chapter 4 when he tempted the LORD.
Also Hebrew 4 verse 12 states “that the WORD of GOD is living and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword….”
Furthermore Eric, it is a testimony against you and your followers of your wickedness in denying the WORD of GOD, which is the SWORD of the SPIRIT in Ephesians 6 verse 17. Therefore you must tread very carefully in DENYING THE GODHEAD AND WHAT THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED. I would dare say to you that you are committing blasphemy against THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD.
I then caution you to be very careful about blaspheming GOD and twisting the scriptures as the devil did and ernestly implore you repent and seek GOD’s forgiveness and maybe he will forgive you, your sins.
To add in closing, a wicked and perverse generation seeks after a sign but none shall be given except the sign of Johah. It meens this – THERE ARE NO MORE SIGNS IN HEAVEN AND EARTH TO REVEAL GOD’S GLORY ACCEPT THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST. NO MORE TRUMPETS AND IN THE CASE OF ANGUS BUCHAN AND ALL THE OTHERS NO MORE CLOUDS, NO MORE FIRE ONLY THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST JESUS.

Well done Deborah, BL and Greg and all the others. To Deborah, thank you for the late nites, we really appreciate it.
With kind regards to you
Barland

Barland Johnson

soory for spelling in the last paragraph, meant to say means and not meens. also forgive other errors.

Barland Johnson

ALL THE BLESSINGS OF GOD

All the blessings God has bestowed upon man and women are of his grace, his free, undeserved favor. We have no claim to the least of His mercies.

It was free grace that “formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into him a living soul,” and then stamped on that soul the image of God. The same free grace continues to us at this day — life, and breath, and all things. And whatever righteousness may be found in us, this is also the gift of God.

With what then can we atone for even the least of our sins? With our works? Even if our works are many and holy, they are not our own, but God’s.

Therefore, having nothing — neither righteousness nor works — to plead, our mouths are utterly stopped before God. If, then, we find favor with God, it is “grace upon grace!” “By grace you have been saved through faith.”

Grace is the source, faith is the condition, of salvation.

What kind of faith? Faith in Christ. Christian faith is a full reliance on the blood of Christ; it is a trust in the merits of His life, death, and resurrection. This kind of faith means resting upon Him as our atonement and our life. It is cleaving to Him as our “wisdom, righteousness, sanctification, and redemption” — or, in one word, our salvation.

This is a present salvation — something attained here on earth — by those who are partakers of this faith. This is that great salvation foretold by the angel, before God brought His First-begotten into the world: “You shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins” (Matthew 1:21).

–John Wesley

Michael

It just really amazes me that some people can be so wilfully blind to what is happening in this world and the church.

2Tim3:2…For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Isaiah5:20…Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ, ‘ and will deceive many. … and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people (Matthew 24:5, 11).
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time (Matthew 24:24-25).

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