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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/18/second-8th-week-christ-appears-in-cloud-at-mosselbay/#comment-450245&quot;&gt;Connie van Wyk&lt;/a&gt;.

Connie

Your s8Wministries and it&#039;s leader has been exposed as a cult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/18/second-8th-week-christ-appears-in-cloud-at-mosselbay/#comment-450245" >Connie van Wyk</a>.</p>
<p>Connie</p>
<p>Your s8Wministries and it&#8217;s leader has been exposed as a cult.</p>
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		By: Connie van Wyk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Connie van Wyk]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Goeiedag...

My naam is Connie van Wyk en ek is die persoon wat die trompetfotos oor Mosselbaai geneem het. Om dinge eenvoudig te hou gaan ek nie in diep gesprek ingaan oor alles wat hierbo geskryf en op geantwoord is nie, maar gaan alleenlik die link hier pos waar moontlike belangstellendes dieper insig sal kan kry en die ware konneksies sal kan maak tussen die trompetfoto, en die eindtyd werk wat God reeds hier op aarde begin het nou in hierdie laaste dae. 

Die naam van die link is &quot;What Is Covenant?&quot; ~ [url removed] Dit is my gebed dat die wat werklik soekend is, die tyd sal maak om te lees en bereid sal wees om te hoor wat die Gees nou in hierdie laaste dae vir die kerke se.

(Ek wil ook noem dat daar sekere punte in die artikel hierbo is wat nie heeltemal feitelik is nie)

Groete Connie]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goeiedag&#8230;</p>
<p>My naam is Connie van Wyk en ek is die persoon wat die trompetfotos oor Mosselbaai geneem het. Om dinge eenvoudig te hou gaan ek nie in diep gesprek ingaan oor alles wat hierbo geskryf en op geantwoord is nie, maar gaan alleenlik die link hier pos waar moontlike belangstellendes dieper insig sal kan kry en die ware konneksies sal kan maak tussen die trompetfoto, en die eindtyd werk wat God reeds hier op aarde begin het nou in hierdie laaste dae. </p>
<p>Die naam van die link is &#8220;What Is Covenant?&#8221; ~ [url removed] Dit is my gebed dat die wat werklik soekend is, die tyd sal maak om te lees en bereid sal wees om te hoor wat die Gees nou in hierdie laaste dae vir die kerke se.</p>
<p>(Ek wil ook noem dat daar sekere punte in die artikel hierbo is wat nie heeltemal feitelik is nie)</p>
<p>Groete Connie</p>
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		By: Dan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 22:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/as-christians-we-must-judge-righteously/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;As Christians We Must Judge Righteously&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/do-not-tolerate-wicked-people/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Do Not Tolerate Wicked People&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/mark-them-which-cause-division/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mark Them Which Cause Division&lt;/a&gt;

Deborah, of the three links you provided, the last two relate to the same article. Could you post those three links again plz. I would also like to check them out. Thank you!

[Edited by DTW:  Oops sorry, I have fixed the last one to the correct url]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/as-christians-we-must-judge-righteously/"  rel="nofollow">As Christians We Must Judge Righteously</a><br />
<a href="http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/do-not-tolerate-wicked-people/"  rel="nofollow">Do Not Tolerate Wicked People</a><br />
<a href="http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/mark-them-which-cause-division/"  rel="nofollow">Mark Them Which Cause Division</a></p>
<p>Deborah, of the three links you provided, the last two relate to the same article. Could you post those three links again plz. I would also like to check them out. Thank you!</p>
<p>[Edited by DTW:  Oops sorry, I have fixed the last one to the correct url]</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/18/second-8th-week-christ-appears-in-cloud-at-mosselbay/#comment-284453&quot;&gt;Abe&lt;/a&gt;.

Abe

&#062;&#062;  As far as I understand a little bit of the Bible

I am sorry to say but there is your first problem.  How can you come on here and tell us what the bible says when you know so little of what the bible actually says?

The bible commands us to judge Abe, we are to judge the words that others speak and test them according to the bible to see if what they say is true.  See the following articles to help you get some biblical insight on what Christian judging is all about.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/as-christians-we-must-judge-righteously/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;As Christians We Must Judge Righteously&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/do-not-tolerate-wicked-people/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Do Not Tolerate Wicked People&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/mark-them-which-cause-division/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mark Them Which Cause Division&lt;/a&gt;

As for the verse you quote, &quot;that those who think they are first will be last.&quot;

My goodness Abe, try read the all the verses around this verse to get an understanding of what this actually means.  You can&#039;t just pick out little sentences in the bible and quote them as you please believing what you are now saying is the truth.

Jesus said the following “many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first” in His reply to his disciples’ asking what reward they would receive for giving up everything on earth to follow Jesus (Matthew 19:27-30; Mark 10:28-31).  Jesus told his disciples they would be greatly rewarded in heaven for giving up everything to follow Him.  Jesus was making a contrast between the rich young ruler, who was unwilling to give up pretty much nothing for Jesus (Matthew 16-22). So Jesus tells His disciples that the LAST in &lt;em&gt;this world&lt;/em&gt; (that being the disciples who gave up everything to follow Jesus) would be FIRST in the kingdom of heaven. However, the FIRST in this world (the rich refusing to give up anything for Jesus) would be the &lt;em&gt;LAST TO FIND&lt;/em&gt; the kingdom of heaven.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/18/second-8th-week-christ-appears-in-cloud-at-mosselbay/#comment-284453" >Abe</a>.</p>
<p>Abe</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;  As far as I understand a little bit of the Bible</p>
<p>I am sorry to say but there is your first problem.  How can you come on here and tell us what the bible says when you know so little of what the bible actually says?</p>
<p>The bible commands us to judge Abe, we are to judge the words that others speak and test them according to the bible to see if what they say is true.  See the following articles to help you get some biblical insight on what Christian judging is all about.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/as-christians-we-must-judge-righteously/"  rel="nofollow">As Christians We Must Judge Righteously</a><br />
<a href="http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/do-not-tolerate-wicked-people/"  rel="nofollow">Do Not Tolerate Wicked People</a><br />
<a href="http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/mark-them-which-cause-division/"  rel="nofollow">Mark Them Which Cause Division</a></p>
<p>As for the verse you quote, &#8220;that those who think they are first will be last.&#8221;</p>
<p>My goodness Abe, try read the all the verses around this verse to get an understanding of what this actually means.  You can&#8217;t just pick out little sentences in the bible and quote them as you please believing what you are now saying is the truth.</p>
<p>Jesus said the following “many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first” in His reply to his disciples’ asking what reward they would receive for giving up everything on earth to follow Jesus (Matthew 19:27-30; Mark 10:28-31).  Jesus told his disciples they would be greatly rewarded in heaven for giving up everything to follow Him.  Jesus was making a contrast between the rich young ruler, who was unwilling to give up pretty much nothing for Jesus (Matthew 16-22). So Jesus tells His disciples that the LAST in <em>this world</em> (that being the disciples who gave up everything to follow Jesus) would be FIRST in the kingdom of heaven. However, the FIRST in this world (the rich refusing to give up anything for Jesus) would be the <em>LAST TO FIND</em> the kingdom of heaven.</p>
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		By: Abe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As far as I understand a little bit of the Bible - it says that people must not look for signs of Jesus&#039; return - and for those who are on their christian pedastills think that they can judge others, no matter what your belief the Bible teaches that you should not judge lest be judged. The Bible also says that those who think they are first will be last.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I understand a little bit of the Bible &#8211; it says that people must not look for signs of Jesus&#8217; return &#8211; and for those who are on their christian pedastills think that they can judge others, no matter what your belief the Bible teaches that you should not judge lest be judged. The Bible also says that those who think they are first will be last.</p>
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		By: Geert De Decker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geert De Decker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Carm		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 07:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looks like a Blue Beam / HAARP experiment. This kinda stuff is popping up all over the internet - hands, faces, crosses in the sky... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myf-0r1Onhk&#038;feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YabjZBVyJNk&#038;feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C549J8h5oeE

Nice to see &quot;god&quot; caters for the Eastern Orhtodox community as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUJjllyZ7-M&#038;feature=related

And these sky signs are not limited to christian taste buds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaqLB5H_aI

Sky signs?
We should not be ignorant of Satan&#039;s devices...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a Blue Beam / HAARP experiment. This kinda stuff is popping up all over the internet &#8211; hands, faces, crosses in the sky&#8230; </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myf-0r1Onhk&#038;feature=related"  rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myf-0r1Onhk&#038;feature=related</a><br />
<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YabjZBVyJNk&#038;feature=related"  rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YabjZBVyJNk&#038;feature=related</a><br />
<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C549J8h5oeE"  rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C549J8h5oeE</a></p>
<p>Nice to see &#8220;god&#8221; caters for the Eastern Orhtodox community as well:<br />
<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUJjllyZ7-M&#038;feature=related"  rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUJjllyZ7-M&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>And these sky signs are not limited to christian taste buds: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaqLB5H_aI"  rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaqLB5H_aI</a></p>
<p>Sky signs?<br />
We should not be ignorant of Satan&#8217;s devices&#8230;</p>
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		By: tom jensen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tom jensen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for a nice picture and a great blog.
I will refer to it from my website http://www.christianonnet.com
God Bless You]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a nice picture and a great blog.<br />
I will refer to it from my website <a target="_blank" href="http://www.christianonnet.com"  rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.christianonnet.com</a><br />
God Bless You</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/18/second-8th-week-christ-appears-in-cloud-at-mosselbay/#comment-217662&quot;&gt;Malherbe&lt;/a&gt;.

Malherbe

Unfortunately we are dealing with an &lt;em&gt;actual &lt;/em&gt;CULT here, ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/18/second-8th-week-christ-appears-in-cloud-at-mosselbay/#comment-217662" >Malherbe</a>.</p>
<p>Malherbe</p>
<p>Unfortunately we are dealing with an <em>actual </em>CULT here, </p>
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		By: Malherbe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malherbe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aijajai, wanneer ek so na al die kommentaar hierbo lees, kan ek nie help om met dankbaarheid vervul te wees dat ek nie meer in hierdie twak glo nie.  Genugtig mense, lees jul eie kommentaar.  Mense in wolke?  Die eindtye?  Dit is tog oneindig meer waarskynlik dat dit doodeenvoudig &#039;n wolk is toevallig in die vorm van &#039;n mens ... en ook net indien jy jou verbeelding bietjie teuels gee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aijajai, wanneer ek so na al die kommentaar hierbo lees, kan ek nie help om met dankbaarheid vervul te wees dat ek nie meer in hierdie twak glo nie.  Genugtig mense, lees jul eie kommentaar.  Mense in wolke?  Die eindtye?  Dit is tog oneindig meer waarskynlik dat dit doodeenvoudig &#8216;n wolk is toevallig in die vorm van &#8216;n mens &#8230; en ook net indien jy jou verbeelding bietjie teuels gee.</p>
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