Dr. Chuck Missler, SWANsat and the Auric Currency
Dr. Chuck Missler, SWANsat and the Auric Currency
I am writing this article because I do not think that Chuck Missler is being at all honest with us as to what he really believes and who he ‘works’ for. For some unknown reason Chuck Missler is ‘protected’ in that he seems to be able to get away with all sorts of false prophecy and publishing books on ‘extra biblical’ occult subjects with no one battering an eyelid.
His resume (freely available on the internet) is profound in that Chuck’s interests, companies and world plans all seem to tie in with what he himself tries to expose as evil in his books.
Chuck Missler is not an expert on prophecy, he is helping to orchestrate Biblical prophecy by aiding and abetting the One World Order.
I will let you review the below information and you can ask yourself the question; “Why is a supposed born again Christian ‘serving the people‘ by connecting the world via 3 satellites and helping to establish the African Union which is part of the New World Order?” I know I am going to get some serious slack for this article, but someone has to say something. And seeing as though I have nothing to lose, let me be that person. In my research I have noted some highly recommended pastors support Chuck Missler, some even have their their books being published on Koinonia House Europe.
There are many things that I myself have fallen prey too and sometimes it’s been difficult for me to want to believe I was fooled. I am no one special, but I do my utter best to listen to the Holy Spirit’s warnings and I ask Jesus for forgiveness of these things and rectify my errors so that I do not lead people astray. I sincerely pray that these pastors that I myself love very much, take heed of what I have written here and re-evaluate their position regarding what the Bible says about false teachers and how it’s even possible for the elect to be deceived.
It sometimes takes a donkey to come along and show us something that was so glaringly obvious.
Dr. Charles ‘Chuck’ Missler: (Information below in no particular order)
Chuck and Nancy Missler established Koinonia House in 1973
Chuck Missler also has close ties with Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel (where he preached) which was founded by The Jesus People
Close friend to Hal Lindsey (broadcasts shows on
Trinity Broadcasting Network). Hal Lindsey who had a show on TBN for years had his show removed by TBN in December 2005 because of his criticism against Islam. As of Feb 2007 he was back on TBN hosting his show, “The Hal Lindsey Report”. — http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17439/hal-lindsey
Pat Matrisciana is a director of Chuck Missler’s Koinonia House. Matrisciana also founded Campus Crusade for Christ with Bill Bright
Dr.William Welty was appointed to the board of Directors of Koinonia House on 24 October 2009, which creates, develops, and distributes materials to stimulate, encourage, and facilitate serious study of the Bible as the inerrant Word of God. Koinonia House is located in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho and was founded by Dr. Charles Missler.
Chuck Missler supporter of the Bible Code which is Gematria/Numerology –
literal Qabalah. Book: Hidden Treasures – Chuck Missler highlights many of the trademark discoveries of hidden messages within the Biblical texts that will challenge and excite you! A ‘must read’ for every thinking seeker of truth and serious inquirer of reality.
On TBN’s 12/29/99 ‘Praise the Lord’ program which Hal Lindsey and Cliff Ford, hosted. One of their guests was Chuck Missler. Missler said he was there for the purpose of endorsing TBN’s movie, The Omega Code, and promoting his own new book on the Code. The Omega Code movie did NOT promote the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but rather gave credence to the latest big lie — that there are hidden messages in the Bible when one uses the letters as an acrostic puzzle. This is the latest blasphemy sweeping through the professing church — using the Bible as a tool for divination.” —Biblical Discernment Ministries
Occult fascination with UFO’s. Alien Encounters: This book confronts the issues surrounding the sightings of UFOs and alien abductions and offers answers to many of the most pertinent questions. — http://www.alienencounters.com
Dr. Charles W. “Chuck” Missler’s Curriculum Vitae:
Member of a globalist group since 1998, the Council For National Policy (CNP).
Established the first international industrial computer network in 1966 while working at Ford Motor Company.
Founded a computer networking organisation later acquired by Automatic Data Processing (NYSE) to became its Network Services Division. Consultant to the Board of Directors of Rockwell International for corporate acquisitions. Pioneer in computer technologies, participation in the development of some of the most top-secret military systems, including the Stealth bomber, anti-submarine warfare, worked with William E. Simon, former Secretary of Treasury on a strategically sensitive ultraviolet laser project, partnered with Boeing on P-3 upgrade, CEO for Advanced developments for Department of Defense and other deeply classified customers, Global Positioning Satellite systems, Director of Applied Devices Corporation for data processing support services for international oil industry, state lotteries, etc.
Owner of The Phoenix Group, Inc., – 1989
Personally funded the first microchip implementation of the Data Encryption Standard (DES)
Gave false prophecy of Y2K where 2 videos were released by Chuck Missler and John Ankerberg with advertisting title: “The Coming Y2K Computer Crisis Will threaten Anyone Whose Faith is Not in God!”. This ‘false prophecy’ is very peculiar considering his unbelievable resume regarding anything computer orientated. Why would someone who is a genius in the computing field say such a stupid thing.
Partnership with company that will soon launch 3 Satellites that will connect the entire world in the year 2014.
Helping establish the African Union currency called the Auricâ Currency.
Participated in over 100 business ventures as a principal, strategic adviser, or turnaround specialist. Ford Motor Company, TRW, Western Digital Corporation, as well as U.S. and foreign governments.
Missler was Senior participant in highly classified projects serving the intelligence community and the Department of Defense.
Not so long ago Chuck Missler was at the:
God’s News Behind the News International Prophecy Conference 2000 – Orlando Florida, 5-8 April 2000
The prophets were:
- Jack and Rexella Van Impe,
- Morris Cerullo,
- Hal Lindsey,
- Grant Jeffrey,
- Perry Stone,
- John Bevere,
- Ray Brubaker,
- Joe Van Koevering,
- Zola Levitt,
- Chuck Missler,
- J.R.Church,
- Gary Kah,
- Bill Cloud.
The Quantum Leap II Conference – July 19-21 2007
- Hosted by: The Gateway Christian Fellowship with speakers from The Elijah List, etc:
- David van Koevering (The Elijah List, New Age Occultist) – As a visionary, his gift is the insight to see, and by this observation to cause, and then define and communicate what he saw to others.
- Chuck Missler (Chuck was encouraged by his close friend Hal Lindsey to pursue his long-time love of teaching the Bible on a full-time basis. Hal Lindsey regular on TBN.)
- JoAnne McFatter (The Elijah List- New Age Occultist),
- Steve Swanson – Worship and Arts Director of Extreme Prophetic run by Patricia King (both The Elijah List- New Age Occultists).
- Previous speakers at Quantum Leap I Conference included: Kansas City Prophet Bob Jones along with Mike and Kari Browning.
‘Quantum Leap’ is a popular new age idea of man’s spiritual evolution from human to divine.
“Barbara Marx Hubbard” wrote apologist Brooks Alexander, “has a similar event that she calls a planetary Pentecost. She explains to us that at this time, a ‘quantum leap’ in the evolution of mankind will occur as revealed to her by ‘the Christ’: ‘At the moment of cosmic contact, I will appear to you both through inner experience and through external communication on your mass media.’ Hubbard says, at this time when ‘the divisions of the religions would be over…We would each know that God is within us…If all who feel we are connected to each other, to nature and to God join in a planetary Pentecost, we shall be transformed in this lifetime.’ (Barbara Marx Hubbard and the Armageddon Alternative,” SCP Journal, Vol. 19:2/3, 1995, p. 49).”
Jackie Alnor from Apostasy Alert tried to contact Chuck Missler on why he attend this conference but did not receive a reply from him. http://www.apostasyalert.org/REFLECTIONS/quantum.htm
Chuck Missler of Koinonia House sponsored: The Malta Expedition – 2004, ‘Exclusive Archaeological Cruise Event’ .
Tourists sailed to the islands of Patmos, Malta and Crete with excursions to Ephesus and Athens, where they visited the Acropolis, Parthenon and Mars Hill. Two days were spent on the island of Malta, where the tour visited the Palace of the Grand Master of the Knights of Malta!
At Valetta the tour will also visit an ancient Tarxien temple. ‘Tarxien’ means ‘huge stone’ which describes those used for the numerous prehistoric temples on Malta. The World Monuments Fund is trying to help protect these temples. In Lady of the Beasts: The Goddess and Her Sacred Animals, Buffie Johnson informs that Malta was renown for its temples and monuments to the Mother Goddess
Rockwell International:
A multifaceted company that worked in the manufacturing arena for defense and space industries. Rockwell International are Freemason/Illuminati.
The building that was originally built for Rockwell International was designed in the shape of a Ziggurat; a stepped pyramid in the style of ancient Babylonia. However they did not occupy the building and it became the regional branch office of the federal government, housing some National Archives material and other miscellaneous government documents.
Ziggurat
An ancient Mesopotamian temple tower consisting of a lofty pyramidal structure built in successive stages with outside staircases and a shrine at the top. [1] Form of temple common to the Sumerians, Babylonians and Assyrians. [2]
SWANsat: The Super-Wide Area Network Satellite
“People Serving People”
SWANsat’s satellite services will begin in 2014.
The SWANsat Project will place a constellation of three high-powered satellites into operation: One spacecraft will serve Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and western Asia. One spacecraft will serve North, Central, and South America. One spacecraft will serve central and east Asia, Australia, New Zealand, and the central Pacific. When operated together, all three spacecraft will provide coverage of the entire globe, except for polar areas.” — www.swansat.com
Dr. Charles W. “Chuck” Missler is a special advisor to the SWANsatâ„¢ project. —www.swansat.com/about_us_cmissler.htm
Introducing the World’s First Inflation-Proof Gold and Silver Standard Offered as Part of SWANsat’s Modern Marshall Plan for the African Union
Learn how SWANsat can help stabilize the world’s economy through the proposed gold-backed Auricâ currency. — http://www.swansat.com/index.htm
African Union Gold Currency – Auricâ
Dr. Welty is a founding member of the Global Settlement Foundation (GSF), a Geneva-based, independent, international non-profit organization that provides finality of settlement for global trade. The GSF System includes the GSF, duly appointed prime dealers, foundation members, lawful processes, and deliverable units. These trade in a cryptographically neutral marketplace. In the Global Standardâ„¢, one Globalâ„¢ is defined as 0.1 gram of gold by mass deliverable as 0.999 or better fine gold, and includes retail delivery of 0.9999 pure gold 1 Kg bars marked 10,000 Globals, high value coins designed for circulation and low value coins and notes. All circulating physical Globals contain at least 70% of the face value amount of gold with the balance stored in the GSF vaults. Counterfeits are impossible without the gold content. GSF enables the physical and lawful processes that facilitate creation and movement of goods and services, including the necessary infrastructure to allow entrepreneurs and investors who use Globals to create and use a real-capital stock market that allows the pricing function in the marketplace to price risk. The genius of the west – lawful real-money stock markets – has now again returned to the service of mankind. –– http://www.williamwelty.com/about_us.htm
In early June 2005 we began a feasibility study regarding formation of mySWANbank, a proposed banking service for SWANsatâ„¢ users. Our mySWANbank service will be operated in conjunction with SWANsat’s affiliated Banque de Commerce Internationale. — http://swansatfoundation.com/milestones.htm
Chuck Missler is nothing but a Luciferian cleverly disguised as a Dominionist.
Other Resources: [1] www.merriam-webster.com [2] www.encyclopedia.com/html/z1/ziggurat.asp
NEW!! UPDATED: 5/12/2016 – Please read this SHOCKING news about William P Welty, Chuck Missler, Ron Matsen and a new book released in May 2016 about Mary the mother of God aka Queen of Heaven: William Welty and Koinonia House – the Adoration of Mary book
Thanks, I think your right. I do believe strongly that the “sons of God” were fallen angels and that the bible substantiates that the angels mated with human women. Other than that I don’t trust the guy either. Good article.
WOW! Praise the Lord you have Discernment on Chuck Missler! Right on, and you didn’t even go into the half of it! I’m passing this article along immediately. Got here via Twitter. I’m following you there my twitter name is @mijadedios I do know that there are some finally waking up to the fact that Chuck Missler is as you rightly claim, a ‘false teacher.’ Whether he set out that way in the beginning I don’t know for sure. I do know that he has been straying from the truth for some time and as of late has gone off the deep end. Fear not fellow brother/sister in Christ, there are some who are aware of it and are steering clear of his false teachings. As you know there are more with itching ears that desire to be tickled than it seems the contrary but we are out here! Keep doing the good work. God Bless!
@ mijadedios, yeah I’ve seen your name on twitter.
Thank you for your comment. You say I didn’t even go into half of it, what’s the other half? lol
Deborah, excellent research! When the Chuckster showed up with the Apostolic bunch in Idaho several years ago and I watched him disgrace the name of Christ livestreaming, I knew the wheels were coming off. He has always considered himself to be an intellectual. Years ago when my eyes started glazing over after listening to him for 5 minutes I assumed it was because his rhetoric was way over my head. Now I know it was the Holy Spirit tuning him out. He has enjoyed such popularity in many forums, a staple in Calvary Chapel conferences. I certainly hope that comes to a screeching halt along with Gayle “I Love Blasphemy – The Shack” Erwin. It is almost as if someone has sucked out their brain and replaced it with bubblewrap. Really not funny – tragic. But sometimes one has to maintain a sense of humor to be able to withstand the apostasy that just seems to deepen daily.
Keep up the good work!
I’m so glad you posted this article. People squirm only slightly when I start calling out the Brian McLaren’s and the Rob Bell’s, the Beth Moore’s and the Max Lucado’s, but when you start talking about the Chuck’s, or Heaven-forbid, Dave Hunt (who is becoming increasingly undiscerning to the point that I will no longer read his posts), people really start to get angry. Recently, I came across some interesting info that proved a strong connection between the “beloved” Tim LaHaye and Sun Myung Moon (the Moonies- unitarian universalists). I also traced LaHaye’s mysterious free-mason symbology artwork on his books. There were many (religious leaders) on this list that were connected to Moon- including Hal Lindsey. When I start sharing that info with people- there is much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Great comments. The deal is, is that Missler is serving TWO masters, one he pretends to serve, Christ, the other the God of this World who is spearheading the New World Order with his minions, the Illuminati. You see this up and down the Evangelical spectrum… when will people wake up and realize that all of popular Christianity is controlled by New World Order operatives, intelligence agencies, freemasons, dissociative Illuminati personalities and subversives.
After all, we should not be surprised… the Bible states that the Whole World is under the control of the Wicked One.
mom4truth
Thank you for your comment. The ministers I referred too, 1 of them specifically shcoked me. I am going to email this article to these ministers and hope and pray they think long and hard about what is going on.
I think there is a lot we don’t know, and when we find out will be shocked. When all this info starts to come out people are either going to listen to the Holy Spirit or side with the false spirit. I think we are living in a time where there is no longer time to sit back and take your time in deciding what’s Biblically sound and what is not. The gentle voice of the Holy Spirit is speaking loud and clear if fact He is speaking louder and louder because time is running out. It’s cut and dry decision making at the moment. You are either for Jesus Christ or you are not.
I am excited about the times we are living in because Jesus is coming back SOON; it’s scary times too because many many people who were sound have somehow tripped and fallen onto the wide path and boy did they only choose the wrong time to do so – because now they have minimal time to make up their minds and get back to Jesus Christ before it’s too late.
Burning Lamp
Thank you. When I work up with morning and came to check the comments I closed my eyes with my hand over my eyes with one finger to the side *like when watching a scary movie* expecting to have been blown to smithereens by air to surface missiles designed by Chuck Missler with his name printed on the side. lol
But then I see these comments and I am like jumping for joy. Thank you.
Of course I am still in my 2m cement thick bunker though with only my head sticking out prepared for possible strikes. But tis cool cos I’ll just stick my head back in. My bunker of course is Jesus who promised He would protect His children.
>> It is almost as if someone has sucked out their brain and replaced it with bubblewrap.
I keep saying the world has turned into a bunch of zombies. I honestly feel like I am living on another planet sometimes. Then again we are in this world but not off this world when we are born again. But more so in these times we are living in it’s become apparently clear that I am no longer of this world.
joe
>> when will people wake up and realize that all of popular Christianity is controlled by New World Order operatives
I have no idea, but I hope they wake up soon cos there is not much time left to sit and contemplate which side of the fence they want to be, in other words following strange teachings instead of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
What I have noticed is that people really do think that you can compromise and get away with it. Jesus said many will preach in HIS NAME and He will say, “I do not know you, depart from me”.
Deborah DTW
Great article. Well done!!. Thank you for your hard work. Yip, just goes to show. It is so so difficult to follow man’s teachings and trust upon it. We can only trust the Word of God, the Bible and watch and pray.
Blessings
Mom4truth wrote:
Dave Hunt (who is becoming increasingly undiscerning to the point that I will no longer read his posts),
Could you please cite examples? I have received Dave’s and T.A. McMahon’s newsletters and updates for many years. I usually pick up on anything offbase and I have not detected anything. Dave who is elderly and has been suffering physically still continues to be faithful to serve the Lord. If you know of something I would appreciate particulars. Otherwise, this can be construed as a false accusation. I am NOT one to idolize people no matter who they are, but Dave has always deserved respect for his courage in taking many unpopular stands. Ditto for his partner, T.A. Please clarify.
Burning Lamp
Can’t help you much on this one, will have to wait for mom4truth to tell us what she knows.
I emailed Dave Hunt and asked him if there are any concerns on their side with Chuck Missler. I was pointed to a November 2009 newsletter Q&A where some of Missler’s teachings were addressed.
Chuck and Nancy Missler book titled: Kingdom, Power, and Glory…
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From THE BEREAN CALL
http://www.thebereancall.org/node/8167
Question: Someone sent me a copy of a book by Chuck and Nancy Missler titled Kingdom, Power, and Glory: The Overcomer’s Handbook, and I found it rather troubling. I have a lot of respect for Chuck and his ministry, but this really threw me. Have you had an opportunity to review the book? I’d like to get another opinion to help me decide whether or not I’m understanding what the book is saying.
Response: We, too, have great respect for Chuck and consider him a good friend. Nevertheless, the book he co-authored with his wife, Nancy, has, in our view, serious doctrinal errors. The main thesis they present is that born-again believers fall into two categories: “overcomers” and “carnal Christians.” When both stand before Jesus at His judgment seat for rewards, those saved carnal Christians (whose lives have produced few, if any, good works) will be relegated to a place of outer darkness during the Millennium when overcoming Christians will rule and reign with Christ.
The Misslers claim support for their view by interpreting verses in Matthew 24 as applying to true believers though they be carnal Christians. Those verses declare that the lord of “that evil servant…shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (vv. 48-51). The authors interpret as metaphors the language describing the punishments listed by Jesus, thereby softening the consequences. Even so, one is still left with a purgatory-like condition for believers. How does a believer know he or she will not be cast into outer darkness, “in the darkened courtyard outside the light of the Holy Place” (Missler, p. 198), where “there is going to be much ‘weeping and gnashing of teeth'”? The Misslers tell us “it is impossible for us to know who is carnal and who is spiritual. Only God knows the truth. We are not to judge! That’s God’s business at the Bema Seat.”
In truth, all of the verses that refer to “outer darkness” and “weeping and gnashing of teeth” are directed by Jesus at Jews who have, or will have, rejected Him, their Messiah. Applying any of the consequences to believers does serious harm to the gospel. At the very least, it implies punishment of sin for the believer, which he must suffer and somehow expiate during his time in outer darkness. Exactly how that’s to be accomplished we’re not told. At worst, like the purgatory of Roman Catholicism, the carnal Christian must pay for something that the blood of Christ did not cover.
In addition to the implications regarding the gospel, it grieves me deeply that the Misslers’ book may spread anxiety and fear among evangelicals, much like I had as a Roman Catholic. I knew I had punishments awaiting me, even if I made it to purgatory. Being delivered from that fear when I put my faith in the One who paid the full penalty for my sins, my heart joyfully rested in His words: “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you” (John 14:1-2). There are many, many other verses that clearly show that Jesus will never separate Himself nor cast the believer away from Himself. We have His blessed assurance.
A number of brothers and I have discussed our concerns personally with Chuck about Kingdom, Power, and Glory through conference calls and emails. To date, Chuck’s position is: “Nan and I believe it to be the most important work of our lifetime.”
Burning Lamp-
I would agree with you that Dave Hunt has a wonderful collection of articles and posts with regard to the emerging church/contemplative movement. I have long appreciated his stance. In fact, I still do receive his newsletter, although I engage it with much discernment because of a couple of things…A while ago I read an interview transcript between he and T.A. where he stated his concerns about Rick Warren after describing him as a true brother in Christ. That was the first time my radar went up, and I began to read with more discernment. I have noticed a frightening trend- not many discernment ministries have been willing to call Warren what he really is- a wolf in sheep’s clothing, save Eric Barger and a few others. I see more that call him “misguided”in his attempts but with “good intentions”. Wrong! Warren is a partner in the global apostate movement. His “intentions” are leading many to Hell. Bob Dewaay leads a great discernment ministry and he commonly wrote of Warren’s dangers, but after a closed-door meeting with Warren at Warren’s church (on Warren’s dime), he emerged claiming that while he and Warren disagreed on some issues, they agreed on the fundamentals of the faith. The contents of this meeting were never made public. A similar thing occurred with Chuck Smith at Costa Mesa, along with the other “emerging” partner, Greg Laurie, who referred to Warren as a fellow brother. It almost seems as of the false spirit leading Warren is quite charismatic and wooing-fooling even seemingly sound leaders.
I then noticed in the Q&A section of The Berean Call newsletter that Hunt was challenged on his promotion of A.W. Tozer. If you trace Tozer you will notice he quotes and promotes Catholic mystics and promotes a prayer practice that is eerily familiar to Lectio Devina. Dave Hunt was very defensive of this, saying, “TBC does not condone Tozer when he quotes those with whom we have serious theological disagreement (and with whom, we are sure, he would also disagree). Moreover, instances of such quotes are so few in his many, many volumes that it’s clear they were in no way significant to his teaching.” His defense of Tozer’s prayer practice I found too defensive to be coherent. In his “this isn’t a promotion of Christmas” Christmas newsletter (yes, Christmas is a pagan celebration), he offered up Tozer books to place around the little pagan tree.
The above posted article DTW regarding Missler struck me only after seeing his reluctance to necessarily call out or, better yet, call off a “brother” who is following in the footsteps of apostasy. I see so many brethren who are making the daily hard-call to get rid of books, videos, and teachings by those who are joining the apostate ranks to “come out from among them” but I see a reluctance on the part of many leaders to say, “While we consider(ed) them a brother at one time, their move into apostasy has regrettably forced us to resign our support of them.” Instead you will often hear, “We don’t agree with some of the things they’re saying, but all in all it’s probably fine.” It seems dangerous to me.
If those whom I look to to remain faithful in these dark days show a lack or even disregard of discernment, it puts me on heightened awareness about their words.
We cannot be so arrogant to think that those “we follow” will be safe forever. I have been so wounded to see so many I highly respected promoting mysticism, and have quickly learned that NO ONE is immune. May God give us the grace to see clearly in the dark.
mom4truth
I have to agree with you on all the things you said in your comment. I too read the Towzer newsletter. And anyone who says that Rick Warren is ok by any measuring stick is having a serious discernment problem. The man is so blatantly false. He oozes ecumenicism.
In my email to Dave Hunt I referred him to my article after he referred me to the above newsletter. I hope he has read mine as I explained to him that my article was about SWANsat and the EURic African Union Currency. Will wait and see what transpires.
A little leaven spoils the whole batch, so a little unity with people who are preaching false teaching spoils everything they stand for. As I said in my article above. There are other ministers whom I love and have relied on for sound biblical truth that are ‘good friends’ with Chuck Missler and after seeing their names, it has really confused me and hurt me. Hurt me more so that I do not want them to be deceived.
These ministers know who they are, and I really do pray that after reading this article they really think about who they are dealing with – they need to investigate further too and not just take my word for it. As it is Chuck Smith has been called on many things that are unsavoury regarding false teaching – this alone should be enough to raise the temperature for anyone thinking that Chuck Missler is ok.
Michael
I am sure you are still reading this blog. What do you have to say about this article?
Deborah
>>I emailed Dave Hunt and asked him if there are any concerns on their side with Chuck Missler. I was pointed to a November 2009 newsletter Q&A where some of Missler’s teachings were addressed.<<
Thanks for this info.
I didn’t realize until reading your article Chuck Smith’s connection to The Jesus People USA. I recently came across a blog post about their 2006 Cornerstone gathering that will give you chills. The fact that Smith was affiliated with this movement should stun us all…
mom4truth
yeessssss, I was going to write another article on that ‘The Jesus People’ but thanks for the info. Saved me time. Thank you.
I thought you would find that article chilling. Are you familiar with “Prophecy Expert” Dr. David Reagan of Lamb and Lion Ministries? I just got an interesting article from him and I think it’s time we keep our eye out:
I’ll let you know if I receive a response.
I believe that Dave Hunt has called out Rick Warren, emergent and mysticism, etc. On the Tozer issue, there are concerns, but Tozer has come out strongly for discernment. I am much more concerned about people who endorse C.S. Lewis and the Narnia movies. Let’s pray for Dave – he is elderly and slowly recovering from surgeries. T.A. has had some serious health challenges recently also.
I do believe that Dave will call out Missler when he is fully informed. Dave is gracious and gentle, but when he comes out he is direct. I certainly hope he does so with Missler.
Another one that seems to be made of Teflon is Gayle Erwin. He comes out with a ringing endorsement of The Shack and he is still a star attraction at Calvary Chapel conferences. Go figure. Another thing – why are some many reluctant to call out Chuck Smith and Greg Laurie for endorsing Rick Warren? The silence is deafening. It seems that political correctness has done a number on the Church. Rebukes don’t have to be harsh, but they should be respectful and gentle, but none at all is unacceptable. What people don’t realize is that it is the loving thing to do. One can only wonder what the dead guys like Moody, Ironside, J.R. Rice, etc. would say in regards to the condition of the Church today?
I agree that we are seeing more and more delusion amongst leadership in churches and ministries. This calls for more and more vigilance and there seems to be less and less of it. People don’t want to hear about negatives. Unity at any cost.
But the Lord predicted exactly what we are seeing today. We just have to remain faithful, contend earnestly for the faith and leave the results to God. There will always be someone who will listen. We must remember to pray for our pastors and leaders to be kept from deception and to warn their flocks.
Burning Lamp
Thank you for your answer. And you are so right. There are many ministers out there who have helped me (unbeknown to them) over the last few years in finding the true gospel of Jesus Christ. I want them to get back to the land of the living and realise that there are people out there who have truly been saved through their obedience to God and preaching the truth. And now starting compromise for the sake of what I do not know, is very very damaging.
>> Chuck Smith and Greg Laurie for endorsing Rick Warren
Absolutely. What is with all these well known pastors endorsing Rick Warren. You have John Piper who has Mark Driscoll on his team o’ youth-snatchers and Mark Driscoll was invited to share a stage with Rick warren – John Piper seemed cool with that.
>> I am much more concerned about people who endorse C.S. Lewis and the Narnia movies.
Totally. This has been something that I have found bewildering since I got saved. Before I was saved I knew of C.S. Lewis as being non Christian. When I get saved and I start studying the Bible and researching I find practically everyone quoting him as some kind of Christian hero. And I am like, ‘you got to be kidding?’. The exact same with JRR Tolkien. I can’t for one second understand how people can for one second think he was Christian. When I was unsaved Lord of the Rings was on the top 10 list of any atheists/occultists/unbelievers book list.
Yet, ask any Emergent ‘Christian’ type thinking person what falls into their top ten all time favourite books and Lord of the Rings will be there.
Great Christian pastors are under huge spiritual attack right now and I think it’s now become time where we the sheep need to come to the aid of our pastors and pray for them, speak to them – show them that because of the times we are in they will more so come under attack. The wolves slither up to them to befriend them under very very conniving pretences and that is to destroy their ministry and disillusion the people who do look up to them.
My husband and I went to visit friends yesterday and we spoke non stop for a record number of hours lol, and many many topics arose and one of them was about CONFUSION. Everyone is becoming so confused and the confusion that is being created by Satan is getting worse and worse by the day. It’s getting tough, really really tough, to keep your eyes wide open and not doze off for a 5 minute nap, cos during that time the most amazing things yet shocking things happen. In fact I think I am growing eyes in the back of my head LOL.
We are currently busy debunking your whole article about Chuck Missler and checking up on all the links and allegations you made…Quite serious ones – I might add…
To date, Michael Anthony has been one of the participants on this blog with the most Biblical balanced views and has truly put Biblical discernment towards each article written and published on this website. We find it rather alarming that on the topic which he warned you not to enter, you did not take heed and still published this extremely one sided article, which we found, is really a reflection of your own opinions, thoughts and interpretations of C Missler’s work -some of which it is clear you don’t understand and hence label as heresy.
Interesting that MA has seemingly decided not to continue contributing towards this blog – could it be because he has found, as have we, that you tend to disregard anyone’s opinion that doesn’t agree with you? Is that showing true discernment or is it exposing the fact that you have built your own dominion where what you say rules and where you won’t allow another’s sound opinion that might put you to error? It is every Christians responsibility to examine all things and then only make an informed decision or voice an intellectual opinion, but not before. This is extremely important if you are in a position where many Christians follow and read whatever you post. You cannot afford to publish own opinions or ideas.
On a personal note (which you can edit out if you would want to), we personally know MA and know that he is a true God fearing, God honouring and a gentleman. You, on the other hand, we’re not so sure of, seeing what you have done and how you’ve handled this current article as well as many others. He did offer to find out information directly from Calvary and Missler, before you published this article, as he knows the relevant people well. You chose to disregard this information from the source itself, ie Chuck Missler. You are only interested in publishing tabloid-like articles that will attract much of the same people as yourself – people not searching for the truth but for sensationalism.
Exposing error and heretics is correct. Beating the sheep on the other hand – be very aware of this. We will all give account of everything we did, regardless of our escatology. In this it creates humility, love, kindness, meekness and grace.
If you are interested in common sense, good discernment, non-tabloid like information, we can continue to discuss the Chuck Missler allegations.
I must let you know, and I’m speaking on behalf of many sound and good grounded South Africans Christians living abroad, that South Africa is riddled with heretics, false prophets, senstive seeking preachers, unlike any other ‘Christian’ country in the world. The problem here, is the people having difficulty to spot the sheep ie people and preachers.
This quote from A W Towzer made me realise that he knew that there are problems in the church and heeded warnings to us.
A REMINDER FROM A.W. TOZER ABOUT WRONG IDEAS ABOUT GOD
“Wrong ideas about God are not only the fountain from which the polluted waters of idolatry flow; they are themselves idolatrous. The idolater simply imagines things about God and acts as if they were true.
Perverted notions about God soon rot the religion in which they appear. The long career of Israel demonstrates this clearly enough, and the history of the Church confirms it. So necessary to the Church is a lofty concept of God that when that concept in any measure declines, the Church with her worship and her moral standards decline along with it. The first step down for any church is taken when it surrenders its high opinion of God…”
– A.W. Tozer, The Knowledge of the Holy (HarperCollins: San Francisco), 1961, p. 4.
link for above.
http://www.spiritual-research-network.com/theshack.html
Andre/Michael/Whoever
I don’t give a hoot as to what you say. Bring more manly backup if you feel it necessary to take me down – but please do it gently, I bruise easily.
>> We find it rather alarming that on the topic which he warned you not to enter
I find it rather alarming that there has to be a WARNING for speaking the truth.
Btw, I take your words as being threatening.
Deborah
No don’t take it out of context….. What was meant in the context it was written was: When you beat the sheep ie: Chuck Missler do your home work properly!! You had the oppertunity to find out the answers to your accusations before you published the article
No one was threatened and no one is trying to take you down from your own built castle
Andre, please note:
Deborah said to Michael: I am sure you are still reading this blog. What do you have to say about this article?
I have no idea who Michael is, but if he chose not to respond that is not her fault. It seems that your remarks are insulting and condemning to a sister in Christ. You have no right to judge her heart or motives. If you wish to defend Chuck Missler, please do so. I for one do not consider this blog to be tabloidish and sensationalist. I am open to hearing what you have to say if it is truthful and nonslanted. Just be careful that you do not set up any man as an idol-there is a fine line between respect and idolization. No one is immune to deception. I think you would be hard put to defend Chuck’s fraternizing with the Apostolic Dominionist crowd. I hope I speak for others on this blog – we want to be fair and no one wishes to entertain false accusations. We are interested in truth. I assume that you share that desire and will share particulars with us as to where you believe the article is false.
Grace and peace to you.
Burning Lamp
Little bit of History. Michael Angelo used to comment on this site and was very pleasant. I then posted an article on the rapture here The Rapture – An Article to Knock Your Socks Off. During the conversation Michael mentioned Chuck Missler and I said that I am going to be honest and say that I don’t think he is as good as he makes out to be.
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Michael Anthony
January 26th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Edna,
Another Chuck Missler fan. And I thought I was the only one left.
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Deborah (Discerning the World)
January 29th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Elmarie and Michael
Ok, I have to say this because you know well we are not here to lead people astray.
I have done a lot of research on Chuck Missler and he is not one bit ok. Just because someone teaches the rapture does not make then ‘Christian’. Just as someone can teach about Christ but does not make them Christian. Satan is not stupid. Michael you know that you look at the whole council of God before you make a conclusion that someone is really preaching the FULL gospel of Jesus Christ or not. You can’t just look at someone’s dispensation views and think they must be ok because they believe in a rapture.
I will post an article about this very very soon………
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Michael Anthony
January 29th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Debs,
I would not go down that route – I have listened to Chuck’s commentary on at least 12 books of the bible (that is the whole books) and have found not a single thing that I could say is suspect. If you are talking about the Y2K thing and the cosmic code thingymajik, the latter is highly misunderstood. The former; he has admitted to making mistakes and apologized.
I have read some of the common critiques of his teachings on the Internet, most of them are highly unbalanced and others just make up accusations. Either that or they don’t understand Chuck’s [very] indepth approach to bible teaching. Chuck teaching style is not everybody’s cup of tea.
On this one we highly disagree, unless you can come up with something explosive. For far I have not see any radioactive signs on his teachings.
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Deborah (Discerning the World)
January 29th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Michael
I will go down this route. Because I am not going to critique the Y2K thing or his fascination with occult teaching and UFOS. No. It’s far worse than that. And yes we all make mistakes and we repent and then we change our ways.
You don’t have to agree with me, just let me write the article and then you can take it from there. It’s going to take me while to get too, probably have it up by Sunday evening or Monday. I am going on holiday so will be ‘missing in action’ again for periods of time.
In the mean time just relax like you are at the beach too ahha.
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I then left to go on holiday to the coast for 2 weeks. during the time I took all my latests findings and wrote the article offline. Before I published the article however things wents way off when Michael suddenly sided with Emergents ‘thinkers’ from another website. This website (PPP)wrote an article about my site based on an article that Michael wrote that I posted on my website for Michael here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/01/02/heresy-hunters-apologists-and-humourless-satirists Anyhow, near the end of the comments, Michael pops up and says I am an accuser of the brethren for an article I wrote on Rick Warren here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/01/04/rick-warren-gets-2-4m-in-donations Rick Warren a brethren? I think not. You can read the entire change in Michael’s attitude in the comments section of the “heresy hunters apologists….” article link above. Anyhowwww… and then my blog as per Michael just became trashy and stuff and the Emergents were more articulate and intellectual and he found more common ground with them.
Michael had already jumped ship into emergent seas before I even got around to posting the article on Chuck Missler.
So after posting this article I commented and asked Michael to give his thoughts cos he said he was open to hearing out what I had to say (see comments above) Instead ‘Andre’ appears to speak on Michaels ‘behalf’ and gives a raving review on Michael’s intelligence and Christian gentleman nature and in the process insults me (this is not the first time he has used that kinda wording as I mentioned above) and threatens me. And I really do see that comment as threatening and so have a few others who have emailed me quite concerned.
‘Andre’ wants to debunk my information. Well he must go ahead. The problem is, this information comes directly from Chuck Misslers website SWANsat where Chuck Missler put his curriculum vitae up for all to see. His same CV info is on the aliens website too which is Chucks website. The information I have quoted (which is supposed to be tabloidish) are actually Chuck Misslers words.
Another thing is if Chuck Missler has apologised for the Cosmic Code thing, WHY does he still promote the Bible Code and sell his cosmis code books? Why is he still hanging with Hal Lindsey, why has Dave Hunt already spoken with Missler re his latest book about being completely wrong in many many ways (http://www.thebereancall.org/node/8167).
I thought when you repented of something the idea was to stop doing it. So repenting and then carrying on doing the same thing is not an apology or genuine repentance.
And the reason I mentioned the Y2K thing was not really about the prophecy being false per se (because Chuck did apologised for this), it was more the fact that why would someone so clued up in computers say something so rediculous – I was approaching his Y2K thing from another angle. The main focus of this article is SWANsat and the AURic currency. Chuck Missler is a very intelligent, in fact a brilliant man but he is not one bit kosher.
Andre or is that Michael
The answers are clear to see on SWANsat and the establishment of the EURic currency. And you are very threatening Michael. And by the hatred that exudes from your comments it’s clear that there is something really sinister going on.
I have nothing more to say to you.