Passion Conference – Louie Giglio and his Emerging Agenda
Passion Conference – Louie Giglio and his Emerging Agenda
Apparently to Louie Giglio digging wells is more important than preaching the saving gospel of Jesus Christ.
Now I know, y’all are gonna come here and give me grief; about how you have to “dig the well and build that bridge and create the relationship before you can preach the gospel.” I can’t find one instance of Jesus or any of the disciples and apostles building wells, planting crops, or educating people before preaching the gospel. They just went right in and preached.
You see you can build a well, but you can’t make the people drink.
Louie Giglio came onto the scene a while back as a Baptist (Calvinist). He alluded to the fact that being a Baptist you could trust him as someone who would never deceive anyone let alone the youth!
Well everyone thought that about John Piper too and look who he hangs around with now – Mark ‘Let’s Meditate’ Driscoll and Rick ‘Purposely Driven’ Warren. And guess who mentors Louie Giglio, well John Piper of course.
Regarding the Passion Conference: “The conference challenged students to worship the Lord with their lives and to impact the lives of others who are hurting all over the world.”
“Worship the Lord with their lives”? Ah they mean go out and do good works. And “impact the lives of others hurting all over the world“, by doing good works.
See CBN news report below:
Passion Conference Raises over $1 Million
Friday, January 08, 2010 By Tracy Winborn – CBN News ProducerThousands of college students from around the world converged in Atlanta this week at the Passion Conference 2010.
More than 20,000 students from 37 countries packed the Georgia World Congress Center in downtown Atlanta for the four-day gathering.
The conference challenged students to worship the Lord with their lives and to impact the lives of others who are hurting all over the world.
Students answered that call by raising $1.3 million in global aid.
“Crazy. Thank you so much,” Passion Conference founder/director Louie Giglio told the students. “What a beautiful day, what a beautiful time. “We love you guys, we believe in you, and we believe even more in God. Let’s go live it out on our campuses.”
The money will be directed to sponsor children, an education center for Dalit people in India, to rescue women from the sex trade in Nepal, and to build wells, among other things.
Some of the ministries affected by the Passion outreach include World Vision, Hope International, and Compassion International.
Source: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2010/January/Passion-Conference-Raises-over-1-Million/
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Deborah, this is something I am currently working on…
How people use the Name of Jesus or the fact that you call yourself a Cristian, to get money out of you or to gain some “power” advantage.
The Gospel them becomes “need driven” and not “conviction of sin” any more…
This is used extensively in churches and welfare organizations but also politically !
Example, here in SA we have political parties masquerading as Christian political parties and they use “Jesus” as a tool to get your vote…
Yet in so doing they connect themselves to a political system that gets “ruled” by the will of the people… (Democracy = The will of people)
I personally don’t believe that we should vote.
I was asked by two “Christian” political parties to stand for them in my constituency. I explained my beliefs, refused their offer (it included a nice financial bonus) and heard that the organizer’s assistant who was present when they spoke to me, resigned the next day ! Praise God!
Me and my family, we serve the Lord !
Jean,
When you are finished send it my way and I shall post it. 🙂
I’m left a little confused after reading your comments.
Firstly, I am mindful of the fact that I may be falling into the same trap as you are by responding to you, but I just feel the Lord provoking me to make a comment.
I belong to a little church in South Africa, that is joined in fellowship to a larger group of fellowships who believe the same doctrine and have agreed to fall under the same apostolic oversight. We do not believe that there is any new doctrine out there waiting to still be revealed except as may already be found in the Word of God. However, we don’t claim to know every thing and continue to seek God for more revelation within the confines of His Word.
I am a little concerned about one or two things I have noticed on this website.
The first is that the scripture is clear that we should not judge men or women, but rather discern their doctrine. Thus, personal attacks are not promoted or permitted in the Bible. Yet I see this often in the tone and content of some of the comments on this site.
Secondly, the Bible does not teach that we are to go looking for Doctrine or principles that are false. It does teach that we should know the truth because that will make us free. However, in knowing the truth, we are sometimes faced with false doctrine that comes our way and we are then called to defend or stand on the truth. In fact the teaching is quite clear that we only have a mandate to oppose falsehood that actually enters the “sheep fold”, i.e. the local Body of Christ where we are placed as it has pleased the Lord.
Thirdly, Paul writes that women are not to teach as she being like Eve, is more prone to being deceived, and yet there is teaching and correction being given by ladies? That just doesn’t add up
Fourthly, the scripture refers to the attitude with which our “brother” should be corrected – i.e. a spirit of meekness, considering ourselves, lest we also be tempted and fall in the same matter (pride comes before a fall) Furthermore, the intention should not be to write off the person, but to actually see them restored before the Lord. This is not the attitude here, which swings from mocking to aggressive, to accusatory, to sarcastic ridicule to outright rudeness and offensiveness.
I’m all for standing for the truth, but doing it like this is not how the Scriptures teach us it should be done.
Lastly, I am opposed to the false gospel that preaches that salvation is all about the needs and wants and desires (lusts) of the individual and not much about repentance from sin, forgiveness, the work of Jesus on the cross, and God’s love, mercy and grace for an unlovely undeserving world.
However, I disagree that worship does not involve works. Provided, however, they are works that are born of faith and not born of a desire to earn favour with God. Likewise, worship is not something that we do when we sing, but rather the lifestyle we live in service to God by obedience to His Word and i submission to His will. Which is not to say that we live right so that God will bless us – having done all of these things we declare that we are unprofitable servants who have merely done that which is our reasonable service before God.
Furthermore, Jesus did build a bridge to sinners. He was just much better at it tha we were and so didn’t need to spend so much time on it as we do. Take for example the women at the well. Why do you think he sat there? Why do you think he asked her to draw him some water? Why do you think he engaged her with conversation about her life. She actually thought he was flirting with her. Of course that was not his motive at all. He wanted to reach her in her desperate situation, but He did it by firstly catching her attention. That’s just one example. There are more.
There is a lovely principle displayed in the raising of Lazarus. When Jesus got to the tomb, why do you think he asked the people to roll away the stone? Could he not just have commanded it to move, or got Lazarus to appear on this side of the stone? After all he was about to raise the dead, it wasn’t as though that would have been a big deal to Him,
The truth is that there are some people with whom we have to do that come with baggage that “blocks” out the voice (Word) of Jesus and they have mental blocks that have been placed there by the Devil to blind their minds. We need to draw near to them, as did Phillip to the Ethiopian eunuch and “roll away the stone”. How do we do that? Is it by being super spiritual and sending them even further away from the Lord, or do we behave like them to make them feel more comfortable.
Actually I believe neither of these is the right answer. We still have to maintain our testimony, but sometimes we have to sup with sinners as did Jesus with Zaccheus before they can be won by the Gospel. I’m not saying we do anything but preach Jesus to them, and certainly psychology and social projects won’t heal the venom of sin, but sometimes you need to do those things so that people will listen to you for long enough to realise that you really have the answer. Sometimes you need to stop the bleeding before you can heal the underlying cause. Ultimately it’s about reaching each person in their specific situation, just as Jesus reached each one of us in our specific situation.
However the answer – Jesus – who is the way, the truth and the Life – will never change!
Craig
Thanks for coming to judge me. Would you like 1 or 2 sugars with that.
I pointed out the contemplative spirituality the Louie Giglio follows. That was it. I never said anything nasty, I never condemned the man, I never called him names. You either stand for the truth 100% or your don’t and you allow Louie Giglio to lead youngsters astray.
Cheers
Craig
>I just feel the Lord provokingIn fact the teaching is quite clear that we only have a mandate to oppose falsehood that actually enters the “sheep fold”, i.e<
Do you realize how much and at what speed the falsehoods has all ready entered the "sheep fold"
You know Craig the fact is we do not have to go and look for false doctrines any longer it is out in the open and rife . But I carry these verses very close to my heart.
Matthew 24 :4-8 (NIV) 4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,[a]’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
I don’t agree with you on the devil here. The context is we are talking about believers who stray and have itcy ears. Teachers who go after money and more money and who lead the flock astry. Jesus was clearly talking about believers that will be blinded by His Father at the end times, as Isiah was given this prophecy by God and it will be fulfilled. Therefore it is not satan but God passing judgement the church who stray by blinding them for, they have not passed the test to remain true to and hold fast to Him and His Word.
as we read and understand.
Paul to Timothy:
1 Timothy 1:18-20 (Amplified Bible)18This charge and admonition I commit in trust to you, Timothy, my son, [a]in accordance with prophetic intimations which I formerly received concerning you, so that inspired and aided by them you may wage the good warfare,19Holding fast to faith ([b]that leaning of the entire human personality on God in absolute trust and confidence) and having a good (clear) conscience. By rejecting and thrusting from them [their conscience], some individuals have made shipwreck of their faith.20Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered to Satan in order that they may be disciplined [by punishment and learn] not to blaspheme.
Jesus to Andrew an Phillip and the crowd of bystanders:
John 12:35-42 (Amplified Bible)
35So Jesus said to them, You will have the Light only a little while longer. Walk while you have the Light [keep on living by it], so that darkness may not overtake and overcome you. He who walks about in the dark does not know where he goes [he is drifting].36While you have the Light, believe in the Light [have faith in it, hold to it, rely on it], that you may become sons of the Light and be filled with Light. Jesus said these things, and then He went away and hid Himself from them [was lost to their view].37Even though He had done so many miracles before them (right before their eyes), yet they still did not trust in Him and failed to believe in Him–38So that what Isaiah the prophet said was fulfilled: Lord, who has believed our report and our message? And to whom has the arm (the power) of the Lord been shown (unveiled and revealed)?(A)39Therefore they could not believe [they were unable to believe]. For Isaiah has also said,
40He has blinded their eyes and hardened and benumbed their [callous, degenerated] hearts [He has made their minds dull], to keep them from seeing with their eyes and understanding with their hearts and minds and repenting and turning to Me to heal them.41Isaiah said this because he saw His glory and spoke of Him.(B)42And yet [in spite of all this] many even of the leading men (the authorities and the nobles) believed and trusted in Him. But because of the Pharisees they did not confess it, for fear that [if they should acknowledge Him] they would be expelled from the synagogue;
We can only watch and pray, and warn others of the deception. The choice still remains with the individual to listen to warning bells.
Craig
Your doctrine seems to be the Calvinist. Do you perhaps fall under Babtist or Grace Christian Church of John Macarthur?
My question is based on having a little knowledge about them. They are the only group I know of in my area who I still feel safe with in their biblical teachings.
Hi Elmarie
My background is not Calvinist.
For eg I don’t believe in “once saved always saved”, and the only predestination the Bible speaks of is “in Christ” ie we are pre-destined, but only once we are in Christ. I also believe that the preaching of the Word generates faith in the hearer which enables even an unsaved person to have the choice to become a child of God.
In particular, I want to respond to your comment re the sheep fold. What I mean by this is that we are only called to guard what actually impacts on our own local church. The shepherd doesn’t worry about any sheep fold other than his own and that is the example we have been given. It is the responsibility of the Great Shepherd to guard the general church but I believe our mandate only extends to our local fellowship.
I’m not saying it isn’t pervading the local churches, just that I don’t have to worry about what’s happening elsewhere unless I have my own house sorted out first. Judgement must begin at my own house, to put it in more Biblical terminology.
Hi Deborah
You are behaving in a very defensive and aggressive manner. I felt that I was quite fair in mentioning the few things i did and in no way meant to judge you. However your spirit is clearly contentious and your sarcasm not only unChristlike, but also uncalled for andcertainly not appreciated. I took the time to deal with some things whihc I thought would be taken seriously, but clearly, while you have no problem correcting eveyone else, you yourself do not wish for your character or motives to be questioned. That is a serious disparity which the Word of God warns against. No matter how mature we are in the Lord, we must all still be teachable, because none of us have “made it”
And as a matter of interest, I can’t see anywhere in your article which refers to the question of contemplative sprituality.
All I see is some semi-funny remarks about some people and their beliefs and a reference to the fact that others have been hangin around with others who have a less than glowing reputation. This is nothing more than gossip? Or am I misreading your statements.
And, of course, Jesus never hung around with people who had less than glowing reputations did he?
I also mentioned two incidences of Jesus “building a bridge”, which you seem to have conveniently overlooked in your response. Perhaps rather than ridiculing me, you could take the time to seriously respond to my comments
Craig
Hmm…ok… can I repeat what I said in my previous comment that got you so rilled up again: “I pointed out the contemplative spirituality the Louie Giglio follows. That was it. I never said anything nasty, I never condemned the man, I never called him names. You either stand for the truth 100% or your don’t and you allow Louie Giglio to lead youngsters astray.”
>> And as a matter of interest, I can’t see anywhere in your article which refers to the question of contemplative spirituality.
LOL, there is not just 1, there are 3 article and all 3 articles are about Louie Giglio delving into contemplative spirituality. I suppose if you have no idea what contemplative spirituality is then you can’t point it out. I understand. Go research what it is, will take you a few months to get a good understanding of how involved and deceptive it is.
Go to January 2010 archives
13: Louie Giglio – Chasing The Experience (Part 1)
12: Louie Giglio – Sometimes Silence is Loud
12: Louie Giglio – A Baptist with an Emerging Agenda
Are you a New Evangelical? Go read this article: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/03/29/the-new-evangelical-evil-fit-for-a-new-dark-age/
As for your comment to Elmarie about “Judgement must begin at my own house, to put it in more Biblical terminology.” So when you gonna start? You can’t come here and have a nervous breakdown and judge me because I pointed out deceitful errors that someone is teaching to people and leading them astray.
Besides we are command by God to test and point out people who preach false doctrine. Being non-judgemental is reserved for sin in people’s lives – we can’t judge people on that as no one has any right.
BUT I WILL, oh YES, I WILL expose Louie Giglio until everyone knows he preys on youth.
The Bible requires that we judge everything by the divine standard (1 Thess. 5:21).
We are to judge righteous judgment (Jn. 7:24).
We are to judge all things (1 Cor. 2:15-16).
We are to judge sin in the church (1 Cor. 5:3, 12).
We are to judge matters between the brethren (1 Cor. 6:5).
We are to judge preaching (1 Cor. 14:29).
We are to judge those who preach false gospels, false christs, and false spirits (2 Cor. 11:1-4).
We are to judge the works of darkness (Eph. 5:11).
We are to judge false prophets and false apostles (2 Pet. 2; 1 John 4:1; Rev. 2:2).
Craig
>> I also mentioned two incidences of Jesus “building a bridge”,
You are right I did ignore that. Please supply verses for these 2 occasions of “building a bridge”?
Deborah (Discerning the World)
Well said thank you.
Craig
Oh really does it extend only to your local fellowship? So you care only about your local fellowship? Is this what the apostels did or the disciples? Now how is that Biblical, we are All to be brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. We must become useful and helpful and kind to one another, tenderhearted (compassionate, understanding, loving-hearted), forgiving one another [readily and freely].
And
Take care and be on guard for yourselves and the WHOLE FLOCK over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you bishops and guardians, to shepherd (tend and feed and guide) the church of the Lord ..
We as christians are the church of the Lord and therefore also the WHOLE FLOCK.
Where will you be Craig should your flock not be spared because the ferocious wolves will come in ?? Will you be willing to accept help from another flocks shepard? or even help a totally other flock??
It is our duty to warn the WHOLE church of any apostasy. Believe me it is rive. We are indeed in the great falling away times and are becoming fewer and fewer, the flock is getting smaller and smaller.
When you are in a meeting with other teachers do you only care about your local fellowship, then why would you even bother going there.
The Lord is our shepard and he alone are able to guard his WHOLE flock.
Ok Craig then if you think it fair just go and do just that then.
Are you spreading the Gospel Craig? or only to your local fellowship?
I believe the site is spreading the Gospel by what is done here to the whole world.
God bless you Craig
Craig
A last one. Jesus died for all of us. That tells me that we are to care for all and the whole flock and church. We are to blow the trumpet for the whole church to hear, and heed to the warnings.
Nowhere does it say blow the trumpet to your local fellowship or own house only.
What about in Matthew 25 where Jesus tells us to go out and take care of the least of these? How could you say it is wrong for us to go out and meet the physical needs of people when scripture clearly shows a balance of both meeting needs and preaching the Gospel?
Richard
huh?
I pray for the Holy Spirit to touch our hearts as He would clear up our minds.
We need to remember that God’s greatest command is LOVE.
God loves us first…
Let us love one another as we love ourselves.
Let our conversations be Christ-centered..
We have different views because we come from different circumstances.
That is why we need to accept each other as God does.
God bless us all.
Enjoy your day my friends.
Jam
Spoken like a true New Age Christian.
Here are the foundational truths of the Gospel as I understand it…
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1. God created Adam and he was called “very good”…
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” (Genesis 1:27 ESV)
“And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.” (Genesis 1:31 ESV)
2. The sin of man separated us from a Perfect and Holy God…
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23)
3. Because of our sin we deserve eternal punishment in Hell…
“For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23 ESV)
4. God sent his only Son to take this punishment, so that we wouldn’t have to…
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.” (John 3:16-18 ESV)
5. We receive this free gift of eternal salvation by grace through faith…
“For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV)
“and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith.” (Romans 3:24-25 ESV)
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This gospel also lines up with all of the 20+ online sermons that I have heard Louie Giglio preach. I would encourage you to take the time to listen to a few of Louie’s sermons to hear the gospel for yourself.
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Brett
Are you saying that is ALL that Louie preaches? No, Louie Giglio and John Piper are now bedfellows with RICK WARREN!
Do you honestly, honestly believe that Louise Giglio is proclaiming salvation through works?
Do you honestly, honestly think that when Louise stands up in front of those young people, that his intent is to bring false teachings to them?
Louise stands accused before you.
Can I suggest that you listen to more of his messages. Ask the Holy Spirit to bless you with discernment as you do this.
Mary-Elise
Louie Giglio teaches CONTEMPLATIVE SPIRITUALITY to youngster! http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/26/new-calvinism-catching-a-gullible-generation/
I suggest you listen more to his messages and open your ears and your BIBLE.
Debs, obviously Mary-Elise is talking about someone else – a female – Louise, not Louis.
Case of mistaken identity or is he a crossdresser?
HAAAAAAAA ROFL!!!!!!
BL
HAHA I didn’t notice. Louise Giglio LOLOL
Reminds of the church of Ephesus on here.
College kids feeling passion for conference
By Steve Almasy, CNN
The Passion conference is more than just a huge gathering of college-age kids, organizers say. the recent Atlanta conference was a call for the next generation to make Jesus a focal point in their lives and to share that passion with others, they said.
“Church was never meant to be an island of self-indulgence, but a missional community of Jesus-followers so in love with Him that they can do nothing else but carry His name to the world,” pastor Louie Giglio said in an e-mail this week.
The event drew more than 22,000 students to the Georgia capital’s convention center and to Philips Arena. It was even more successful than Giglio had hoped for.
“It is truly inspiring to see a generation that is so hungry for an authentic encounter with Jesus … one that exchanges consumer-driven Christ for Christ-centered obedience,” said Giglio.
One of the main spots at the conference, a convention floor full of booths for 10 carefully selected charities that the Passion movement works with throughout the year. The call went out to the college kids to spend time at the exhibits and find one that moved them.
On a Monday night, the third of a four-day event, thousands of kids dressed in t-shirts and jeans weaved their way through the exhibits. They took brochures and enthusiastically chatted as volunteers explained what each cause was about.
The stereotype is that college kids never have much money, but these kids dug deep. Some even brought in containers filled with money they had raised or saved.
Some donated what little money they had, some brought material goods, many gave from there hearts, officials said. Every charitable goal was surpassed, not by a little but by a lot.
The goal was to raise $500,000 for the charities, but after the conference, Do Something Now, the fundraising campaign of the Passion Conferences, announced that it had raised $1.1 million for Compassion International, Hope International, Haiti Transformed, International Justice Mission, Bibles Unbound, World Made Flesh, Joint Aid Management, Cure International, Living Water International, and the Atlanta Mission and City of Refuge (kids brought socks and towels for the homeless).
Giglio says it is compelling to see 18- to 22-year-olds giving to the causes that matter most.
“The fact that 22,000 university-aged young people would journey to Atlanta and gather for the name of Jesus is staggering in and of itself,” he wrote. “But the fact that, as a result of His grace in their lives, they would pool their resources to the tune of $1.1 million to fund 10 local and global causes signifies a massive shift.”
Students got to hear from pastor John Piper, who returned from an eight-month leave of absence, Francis Chan, and Beth Moore. The students sat intently, many taking notes, writing down the references to scripture passages. Afterward, they left, so moved barely a word was uttered.
They also were treated to warm up music from Chris Tomlin and his fellow artists on the sixstepsrecords label. The resulting live album (yet to be titled) will be released March 8. Last year’s CD went to No. 1 on the Christian charts and featured the radio single “Our God.”
A second Passion event is scheduled for April 1 in Fort Worth, Texas. Tickets are still available, a spokesperson said. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/11/college-kids-feeling-passion-for-conference/
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Students got to hear from John Piper who was out during those 8 months making best friends with Rick Warren who is NOW doing this: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/12/rick-warren-a-new-age-prescription-for-your-health/ WARNING!!!
While the “children of God” bicker over His Word…. Islam is taking over… Wake up people and get right with God.
Dee
You see such a small picture of what is going on, when you want to see the BIGGER PICTURE, pray and ask God to show it to you 🙂
Dee please do not be so blind and ignorant…this is just a “red herring”. Satan is not so simplistic…afterall he is a very clever deceiver…caused the downfall of mankind even in the paradise of Eden. If he can do that it is a cake-walk for him to deceive the masses.
“While the “children of God” bicker over His Word…. Islam is taking over… Wake up people and get right with God”
Islam is just another arrow in his quivver, he diversifies and mixes up his tactics. Yes, he has been defeated at Calvary but his mission to deceive the ignorant and sometimes even the elect is not over. Read your bible and follow the right context of God’s word and Christ’s gospel so that the scales will fall off your eyes.
‘Well everyone thought that about John Piper too and look who he hangs around with now – Mark ‘Let’s Meditate’ Driscoll. Mark recently appeared along side Rick Warren at some convention or another. And guess who mentors Louie Giglio, well John Piper of course’
Hi Deborah, just wondering what your thoughts are on who Jesus hung around with? You seem to be judging Piper on who he spends time with. Do you feel the same about Jesus? I know he sometimes got in with the wrong crowd and liked them, spent time with them, even ones who didn’t follow God perfectly…
Dave
Lets get this straight, Jesus would eat with sinners who had NEVER heard the gospel before and preach to them. He did not sit and eat and entertain with pharisees who knew everything and REFUSED TO LISTEN – he rebuked them over and over again.
John Piper is now with Rick Warren who is doing this: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/12/rick-warren-a-new-age-prescription-for-your-health/ I suppose you are going for Reiki soon?
Deborah
I am wondering, have you read any material by Mark Driscoll as in have you read a book by Him, his theology or anything on those lines not what some one said about this but have you heard or read the source? what about louie Giglio? do yo truly understand what the emerging agenda means? if so can you give an outline of what it is?
thanks
Dave2
Yes, and yes and read my blog.