The Rapture – An Article to Knock Your Socks Off

RaptureThe Time Has Come to debunk those errors regarding the Rapture not taking place.

I was raised in a family that followed Word of Faith teaching (yet I rebelled and went on my own left hand path at about the age of 13).  When I realised I needed Jesus Christ in my life (much later in my life unfortunately) and was born again the ‘rapture’ was just part of something that I had heard about in passing – I was actually oblivious to Christian doctrine, including the doctrine of imminency.

After I was saved and battled to find churches to go too, I hit the internet in search of the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.  This was where I read up about PreTribulation and also PostTribulation (where Jesus Christ returns at the end of the Great Tribulation with no rapture of the church before that)  And then just to put another spanner in the works, I heard about Amillennialism.  Boy, oh boy.

So I started researching the Word of God and I started my research with Amillennialism, after 10 minutes of goggling I realised that Amillennialism was completely and utterly wrong. 

I then went and looked at the Post Tribulation scenario.  What I found interesting was that the Post Tribulation supporters use their verses to back up this idea but exclude the verses that point to the Rapture (or being caught up where the born again Christians will meet Jesus Christ in the air before the wrath of God is meted out on earth).  I read so many PostTribulation websites and studied their little diagrams and it just didn’t make sense.  I emailed 2 ministries in which I included many PreTribulation (Rapture) verses in my email and asked them to include them into their articles and they refused. The reason:  They had enough Biblical scripture to prove Post Tribulation without having to include vital scripture that refuted what they say.  How convenient I thought.

So there I was back at Pre Tribulation, still researching and knowing deep down all along that this was correct and that Jesus Christ the Son of God is coming back SOON to take His children away. At the end of the Great Tribulation He will return a 2nd time , this time setting foot on earth and crushing the enemy.

This is the reason for my blog, to warn people because I can’t handle the fact that many people I know like family, friends will be left behind and have to face delusion, confusion, terror and utter hopelessness in their minds as to what happened and try cope with the after effects.

That very moment will be unlike anything  the world has ever experienced, and it gets worse.  Much worse.  Mass HORROR, mass MURDER, mass TORTURE, mass INCOMPREHENSIBLE  evil will take place.      Matthew 24:21  “21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”

At the same time I rejoice for I know that I am going to see Jesus Christ the Son of God, my King, my Lord, my Saviour, the ONE I love so much, the ONE who gave HIS life for me, the ONE who SAVED my life.  I am going to see HIM SOON face to face.  How awesome is that.  I can’t wait.

We are in a time in history unlike anything ever seen before.  Never in the last 10 years would I have ever thought that I would be alive to witness this.   The (bride of Christ, i.e., born again Christians) being caught up to meet Jesus in the air.

Jesus said He would come when we least expect it.  Generally the least expected thing happens when everything is going relatively well.

Matthew 24:37-41    37“For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah  38For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark39and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.  40“Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41“Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.

Matthew 24:44    44 “For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.

During the rapture, Jesus Christ does NOT come down to earth.  (So it is not considered His Second Coming).  The dead in Christ rise first and then the body of Christ are caught up to meet Jesus Christ in the CLOUDS /AIR.       1 Thess, 4:16-18    “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”

Jesus tells us that we are to COMFORT one another with this WONDERFUL passage of scripture.

Everything will happen very fast, so fast that it will be  1 Cor 15:52  “52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye…”

The bible tells us that even though we do not know exactly when Jesus is coming back to take the his church home    Matthew 25:13 13Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.”

He tells us to BE ON ALERT as we will see the day approaching (Biblical prophecy fulfilled) and as the day approaches we are to ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER.    Hebrews 10:25:  “25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.”

So it is clear that born again Christians will know that the day that Jesus Christ returns draws nearer and nearer.  If not, Jesus would not tell us to BE ON ALERT at all times and for us to watch and pray that we do not fall into temptation.   Matthew 26:41    41Keep watching and praying that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”

Jesus promised us He will look after us, because He paid the price for us – we are not destined for God’s wrath during the Tribulation.    1 Thessalonians 5:9,   “9For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ”

We are NOT destined to be TESTED     Revelation 3:10  10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

Our focus should be on Jesus Christ our Blessed Hope and we are not be disturbed by the things going on around as.   Titus 2:13  “13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus”

Do you fear that there is something terrible going on in the world but you do not know what it is?  Do you remember someone speaking to you about Jesus and you brushed them off as talking a load of nonsense?  Do you know the name of Jesus Christ in your mind, but your heart’s not interested because you prefer the ways of the world and sin?  Do you want to know why you fear that there is something horrible coming this way?  Do you want to change your ways and ask Jesus to forgive you for your sinful life so that you my enter God’s presence spotless.

Do you want to drop everything you are doing right now and speak to Jesus Christ the Son of God? Tell Him you are a sinner, tell Him you want to change your ways.  Tell him you have disobeyed Him, but you ask for forgiveness for everything you have done and you are so sorry. Tell Jesus that you know and believe that He died on the cross for you as a sacrifice for your sin, and that He rose again 3 days later and ascended with a physical body into heaven. Tell Jesus that you want Him to come into your life, and make you a new person.  Tell Jesus that you love him, honestly and truthfully with all your heart, mind and soul.  Humble yourself before your KING as a sinner who does not deserve to be saved.  But because of the love that God has for HIS creation, that is you, He created you.  When you truly and utterly come to Jesus Christ and repent, God truly and utterly forgives you and you are saved.

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Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

184 Responses

  1. cecilia says:

    MoscowB, yes I see it clearly. This is the second time you want to tell DTW what article to do, why and when. So why not open your own blog… then you can do the research, post articles etc. and handle all the negative comments that comes with this task?
    You say Yes you see and understand, but you DON’T see nor do you understand.. YOU want to point the way… and sorry to say so, here is not the place to do that.

  2. Jenn says:

    For dessert we should all visit Google and type in “Pretrib Rapture Diehards,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” and “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty.”
    Jenn

  3. Peter says:

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    Peter, you are welcome to make comments. However, we only except the Bible as authoritative. Extra-Biblical revelation to support a position will not be posted. Admin.

  4. Drew says:

    Hi Deborah,

    thanks for the great work on the website. I have a question maybe you can help with in your time studying this much debated subject.

    We know in the rapture those who are in Christ who have died will be raised and then those that are alive and remain will follow right after. We know this to be a physical body resurrection for those who are in Jesus. My question is, when do the believers in Revelation 20:4 get resurrected? When are those people who become believers during the tribulation and who loose their lives, when are these believers resurrected? Is there a second resurrection at Jesus 2nd coming at the end of the tribulation.

    Thank you for your help. I have asked many other people through the years about this and have never received any type of a good biblical answer about it.

    God Bless,

    Drew

  5. cecilia says:

    Drew, I could find this:

    Question: “What is the first resurrection? What is the second resurrection?”

    Answer: Daniel 12:2 summarizes the two very different fates facing mankind: “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Everyone will be raised from the dead, but not everyone will share the same destiny. The New Testament reveals the further detail of separate resurrections for the just and the unjust.

    Revelation 20:4-6 mentions a “first resurrection” and identifies those involved as “blessed and holy.” The second death (the lake of fire, Revelation 20:14) has no power over these individuals. The first resurrection, then, is the raising of all believers. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of the just” (Luke 14:14) and the “resurrection of life” (John 5:29).

    The first resurrection takes place in various stages. Jesus Christ Himself (the “first fruits,” 1 Corinthians 15:20), paved the way for the resurrection of all who believe in Him. There was a resurrection of the Jerusalem saints (Matthew 27:52-53) which should be included in our consideration of the first resurrection. Still to come are the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” at the Lord’s return (1 Thessalonians 4:16) and the resurrection of the martyrs at the end of the Tribulation (Revelation 20:4).

    Revelation 20:12-13 identifies those comprising the second resurrection as the wicked judged by God at the great white throne judgment prior to being cast into the lake of fire. The second resurrection, then, is the raising of all unbelievers; the second resurrection is connected to the second death. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of damnation” (John 5:29).

    The event which divides the first and second resurrections seems to be the millennial kingdom. The last of the righteous are raised to reign “with Christ a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4), but the “rest of the dead [that is, the wicked] lived not again until the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:5).

    What great rejoicing will attend the first resurrection! What great anguish at the second! What a responsibility we have to share the Gospel! “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 23).
    http://www.gotquestions.org/resurrection-first-second.html

    the same view is displayed by:
    http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/the-resurrection-of-tribulation-saints/

  6. Elmarie A says:

    Drew

    My question is, when do the believers in Revelation 20:4 get resurrected?

    I hope this also helps you let us know please 🙂 I know this is a long read but it helped me to understand beter.

    The Millennium

    Prof. Johan Malan, University of the North, South Africa

    Abstract: The biblical teaching on the thousand-year reign of Christ after His second coming.

    Scripture quotations are from the King James Version of the Holy Bible except where otherwise indicated. Only very archaic terms have been substituted, between brackets, with correlating terms from the New King James Version (NKJV). All pronouns referring to the Godhead are capitalised. Edited by Bernard and Kathleen Reeves of London.
    Dispensations in the Bible

    The Bible clearly teaches a future, one thousand year reign of Christ from the restored throne of David in Jerusalem. This coming dispensation is referred to as the Millennium. It will be the sixth dispensation in the divine history of humanity, to be followed by eternity in the completely new heaven and new earth, which will be created after the Millennium.

    The divine history of humanity is ordered within the framework of seven dispensations. It commences with the creation of Adam and Eve in Eden and culminates in the new heaven and new earth where an eternal, perfect existence will prevail. The seven dispensations are:

    1. The dispensation of innocence in Eden.

    2. The dispensation of the conscience after the Fall.

    3. The dispensation of the law in the Old Testament.

    4. The dispensation of grace in the church age.

    5. The dispensation of the Antichrist’s reign.

    6. The dispensation of Christ’s millennial kingdom.

    7. The dispensation of perfection in eternity.

    The beginning and end of a dispensation are always marked by dramatic events associated with the unfolding of a new aspect of God’s plan for the ages. They are also accompanied by intensified demonic activities as Satan then tries everything in his power to disrupt God’s plan. The main characteristics of the seven dispensations are as follows:

    1. The dispensation of innocence

    The very first dispensation in which Adam and Eve found themselves was that of innocence in Eden. God had forbidden them to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and warned that they would surely die should they eat of its fruit (Gen. 2:17). They were innocent, as they had no knowledge of good and evil and were not ashamed of their nakedness (Gen. 2:25). With great cunning Satan deceived Adam and Eve into rebelling against God by disobeying Him. They foolishly heeded Satan’s advice and yielded to his evil influence, thus becoming sinners. Spiritual death immediately set in, while they also physically became mortal. The dispensation of innocence ended with the Fall, which was the result of Satan’s deception.

    2. The dispensation of the conscience

    For a long time after the Fall humanity had no law and could only distinguish between good and evil by way of the voice of conscience. Various people pursued righteousness in accordance with their inner convictions and whatever personal revelations God gave them. Some of them, like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph became preachers of righteousness. At times during this dispensation evil was so intense and pervasive that God’s anger was kindled against humankind. During the Flood all but eight people were destroyed. Through the calling of Abraham, God started to prepare a special people of His own, the nation of Israel, to live in accordance with His laws.

    At the end of the dispensation of the conscience, when Israel were about to receive the law of God and move into a new dispensation, Satan launched an incredible attack against them from the kingdom of darkness. He employed all his powers of deception to avert the next unfolding of God’s divine plan for humanity. While Moses was with God on Mt. Sinai to receive the law, Israel were deceived into rebelling against Him by practising idolatry, thereby rendering them unfit to receive His law. God said He would destroy them, but Moses interceded for them. He was so shocked at the sight of the golden calf that he broke the tablets on which the law was written, but God graciously wrote them again.

    3. The dispensation of the law

    With the introduction of the dispensation of the law a much clearer distinction was made between good and evil. Not only in the Ten Commandments, but through a great number of other laws and decrees, God defined righteousness and sin. Satan concentrated on Israel to induce them to sin, in an effort to subvert and nullify their calling as a special people of God. His efforts were greatly intensified when the time came for the Messiah to be born. Satan must have been extremely infuriated with the announcement from heaven that the Messiah’s Name would be Jesus and that He would save His people from their sins (Mt. 1:21). Satan then took possession of Herod and incited him to massacre all male children under the age of two years in an effort to destroy Jesus. When this evil plan failed Satan then tried to tempt Jesus to sin in the wilderness and afterwards relentlessly attacked Him through the hostile leaders of Israel. He wanted to eliminate Jesus and obliterate the gospel of the kingdom of God. But the devil’s plans backfired on himself because, through His death, Jesus destroyed “him who had the power of death, that is, the devil” (Heb. 2:14 NKJV). God’s divine plan proceeded unaltered.

    4. The dispensation of the church

    With the outpouring of the Holy Spirit the church age was ushered in. The Holy Spirit was given to guide people into all truth, to convict them of sin and righteousness, to regenerate them, and also to endue them with power from on high to serve Christ in a spiritually dark world. The knowledge of good and evil was increased through spiritual discernment (we have enlightened eyes of the mind), but still not to its fullest extent: “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part” (1 Cor. 13:9). Despite Christians now having a strong weapon against Satan, his efforts to thwart God’s plan intensified as, for many centuries, he has conducted an all-out war against Christ’s church using Roman emperors, the medieval Roman Catholic Church and, later, secular humanism, communism, the interfaith and new age movements, in an attempt to destroy it – which has also failed.

    We are at the very end of the church dispensation and it is once again a time of increased demonic activity with a great falling away in many churches: “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils” (1 Tim. 4:1). Satan intends to pervert the church of Christ, tries to prevent the virgins getting oil (type of the Holy Spirit) in their lamps and lulls them to sleep before the Bridegroom comes at midnight (Mt. 25:1-13). By establishing a false church (an ecumenical alliance of degenerate Protestant, Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches with the non-Christian religions), and the promotion of a culture of sin (i.e. amorality of all kinds, e.g. promiscuity, homosexuality, abortion and crime) a climate is created which is conducive to the advent, acceptance and worship of the Antichrist as universal messiah and “man of sin” (2 Thes. 2:3).

    5. The dispensation of the Antichrist’s reign

    When the one who withholds – i.e. the Holy Spirit indwelling the true Church – has been taken out of the way during the rapture, the Antichrist will be revealed (2 Thes. 2:6-12). Strong delusion will prevail on earth and the masses will blindly believe the lies of the Antichrist. Evil will develop to its fullest extent and there will be no limits to blasphemous and sinful conduct. The second half of the Antichrist’s reign of seven years will be a time of unprecedented demonic activity: “Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time” (Rev. 12:12 NKJV). Towards the end of the seven years of tribulation the Antichrist and the false prophet will, under the instigation of Satan (Rev. 16:13-14), muster a great multinational force to fight against Christ when He descends to Jerusalem to defend and rescue Israel at His Second Coming. This battle will not be a long one as the Antichrist and the false prophet will be captured and cast alive into the lake of fire. The devil will be chained and confined to a bottomless pit for one thousand years (Rev. 19:19–20:3).

    6. The dispensation of the millennial kingdom

    During the Millennium the glorified believers will rule with Christ. They will have perfect, immortal bodies, perfect joy and perfect knowledge. But the end of this dispensation will also be characterised by tremendous demonic activity. Satan will be let out of prison to make a last desperate attempt to thwart the completion of God’s master plan. He will then act as a catalyst to the rebellious, unsaved people (and there will be many) living during the Millennium, whom he will deceive into joining him in his final battle against the kingdom of light. This vain effort will lead to the final doom of Satan, his hordes and all unsaved people of all dispensations on the Day of Judgement (Rev. 20:7-15).

    7. The dispensation of eternity

    This dispensation will be endless. In the new heaven and on the new earth “there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of life” (Rev. 21: 27 NKJV). The lake of fire where Satan, his demons and all lost people will be confined, will also exist for all eternity.

    Methods of interpretation

    The prevailing confusion among many Christians about biblical dispensations results from using wrong methods of interpreting Scripture, which often do not recognise the true meaning of the prophetic word. By so doing, they relegate many of the clear pronouncements about the future to the status of mere symbols and abstract concepts with no literal meaning, so spiritualising literal prophecies.

    The thousand-year reign of peace that will, according to Revelation 20, be inaugurated after the Second Coming of Christ is, despite the evidence that has been cited, still a subject of great controversy. In terms of their divergent views, Christians are grouped into different doctrinal schools. Those who interpret the book of Revelation in a literal, dispensational way, are called millennialists. This term is derived from the Latin word for thousand which is mille. It refers to Christians who believe that there will be a literal thousand-year reign of peace on earth after the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. A synonym for the term millennialist is chiliast, which is derived from the Greek word for a thousand, chilios. People who do not believe in a literal thousand-year reign are called amillennialists or antichiliasts. They are also inclined to change the meanings of many other biblical statements and concepts by spiritualising what is clearly meant to be taken literally.

    Because of these controversies a number of different principles of exegesis (interpretation) are applied in regard to the book of Revelation. Some of them deviate so far from the basic meaning of the text that it seriously compromises the divine inspiration of the book. The following are the four most common ways of interpreting the book:

    1. Historic Premillennialism (AD 33 – 400)

    Until about the end of the 4th century, this was virtually the only view of end-time events. It held that a literal Antichrist would emerge in the end-time and that the church would go through the tribulation period. This would end with Christ’s Second Coming to raise believers who have died and catch them up with living believers, in glorified bodies, to meet Him in the air. He then immediately returns to earth with them to rescue the remnant of Israel who receive Him as their Messiah, destroy the Antichrist and his armies and establish His kingdom to rule from Jerusalem for 1 000 years. All but one church father who wrote on prophecy held this premillennial view; indeed Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) even stated that to teach otherwise was heretical!

    2. Amillennialism (AD 400 to date)

    This is the practice of extensive spiritualisation of biblical statements using a method of interpretation devised by the Alexandrian school of theology, led by Origen, in the third to fourth centuries. It regarded the entire Bible as an allegory to be interpreted non-literally, but Augustine (AD 354-430) restricted this method to the end-time prophecies only, Revelation being interpreted as a chronicle of the spiritual conflict between God and Satan during the present church age. A current liberal variation of this view considers Revelation as merely a symbolic representation of the concept of God’s ultimate victory over Satan, evil and human sin.

    Amillennialists do not believe in a literal Millennium but spiritualise biblical statements, deny their literal meanings and replace them with other meanings. This is also called replacement theology in terms of which Israel can be taken to mean the church (a claim made by many churches), Jerusalem can become anyone’s home-town, Babylon can be applied to America or Rome, the 144 000 saved Jews of the tribulation can be applied to the millions of Christians of all ages, while the thousand-year reign of Christ, with the seven-year tribulation period, is equated with the entire church dispensation of almost two thousand years. In this way, vital Scriptural truths are often argued away to fit in with amillennialist concepts.

    3. Postmillennialism (mid AD 1600’s to date)

    According to this school, the world will progressively become a better place through Christianisation, thereby ushering in the Millennium of the church age. At the end of this ‘golden age’ of the Christianised world, Christ will return for the final judgement, thus closing world history. According to postmillennialists there will be no 1000-year reign of Christ on earth as King of kings, with Jerusalem as His world capital.

    4. Modern dispensational premillennialism (early AD 1800’s to date)

    J.N. Darby (born London, 1800), an eminent British theologian, is credited with re-establishing dispensationalism in the church. In When the Trumpet Sounds (pp. 127-8), Prof. Floyd Elmore of Ohio, USA, says that John Darby had the greatest influence on the study of biblical prophecy during the last 150 years, and was a choice servant whom God used to make a profound impact upon the church’s understanding of biblical prophecy. He adds: “Darby is the acknowledged father of systematised dispensationalism and a key modern developer of the pretribulational rapture.”

    This approach is followed by conservative scholars who hold that, except for the first three chapters, Revelation describes future events. Chapters 4-18 deal with the events of the last seven years preceding Christ’s Second Coming and particularly emphasise the great tribulation of the last 3½ years prior to it. Subsequent to that momentous event, Satan will be bound and the 1000-year millennial reign of Christ will be established upon earth.

    Since Christ returns before the Millennium, this view of prophecy is termed “premillennialism.” Clearly, we are not now in the Millennium and Satan is, quite evidently, not yet confined to a sealed pit – not even in a symbolic sense! Premillennialism honours the literal meaning of Scripture, except when the context clearly shows that a particular concept must be interpreted symbolically. An example of symbolism is the red dragon with seven heads, which the Bible itself identifies as the Devil. But when Scripture speaks of Israel, the great tribulation, the Antichrist, the false prophet, the battle of Armageddon, and the binding and incarceration of Satan after the Second Coming, there is no justification whatsoever for trying to explain away their obviously literal meanings by allegorising or spiritualising them. The golden rule is: When the plain sense of the word makes common sense, then seek no other sense.
    Evaluation of the various millennial views

    To amillennialists and postmillennialists the prophetic message of Revelation has largely lost its literal meaning and relevance due to spiritualising it. Its chronology is disregarded, as Christ’s reign of 1000 years in chapter 20 is viewed as symbolic of the entire church age of about 2000 years between His first and second coming! During this period Satan is bound, but his influence is limited so he cannot stop the spread of the gospel or eliminate the church.

    To amillennialists the Millennium is Christ reigning in heaven with glorified deceased believers during the church age. But to most postmillennialists the spread of the gospel will Christianise the whole world, and the Millennium is the resulting golden age of righteousness and peace on earth with Christ reigning from heaven. Amillennialists say the Millennium coincides with continuous tribulation during the church age, that it intensified for Jews in AD 70-145, and will greatly intensify prior to the return of Christ. To postmillennialists the tribulation of Matthew 24 and the apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2 are already past, so Revelation is largely irrelevant to our generation.

    Neither amillennialists nor postmillennialists believe in the physical or spiritual restoration of Israel as a nation in accordance with Old and New Testament prophecies since they allege the church has replaced Israel, but Jews can be saved by becoming Christians. The significance of important signs of the times, such as Israel’s partial re-gathering in its ancient, promised land, Jerusalem no longer being trampled by the Gentiles, trends towards a globalised, cashless monetary system, a one-world government and a multi-faith, one-world religious body as precursors for the Antichrist’s bid for global political and religious power are played down. As a result even otherwise sound, exemplary Christians fail to recognise these signs and, lacking a biblical perspective on the unfolding fulfilment of end-time prophecy, they follow only a secular assessment of current events. So, their expectation of Christ’s imminent return as the heavenly Bridegroom and their spiritual vision of Him as “the bright and morning star” (Rev. 22:16) is often dimmed or lacking.

    The premillennialist view places strong emphasis on the reliability of the inspired Scriptures as revealing God’s plan for the future of the world. Christians who hold this view interpret world affairs in the light of prophetic Scriptures, and seek to have spiritual discernment to understand the signs of the times in the unfolding of current events. They avoid the complacency resulting from assuming that the devil is either partly or fully bound, or the disillusionment that will inevitably follow the pursuit of the unrealistic view that they can succeed in Christianising the world before Christ’s coming, or that Christ’s coming to judge the nations is only a far distant event. Instead, they see themselves as strangers and pilgrims in a world that “lies under the sway of the wicked one” (1 Jn. 5:19 NKJV), and therefore expect the struggle between the powers of light and darkness to intensify as Christ’s imminent coming draws ever nearer.

    Premillennialists are aware of the extreme solemnity of the times in which they live and convinced that the church age is rapidly drawing to a close, so opportunities to fulfil the Great Commission are running out. This knowledge, and the awareness that the awesome events and judgements of the tribulation are imminent, gives real urgency and zeal to their evangelism, as they warn others of “the wrath to come” and the need to repent and believe the Gospel. They also seek to be ready to meet the Lord, the heavenly Bridegroom, when He comes to take them to His Father’s house, by seeking to live by biblical standards of holiness and by total commitment to serving Him faithfully.
    Views of the church fathers

    To confirm that the Millennium is not merely symbolic, but a literal period of future history, it may be helpful to establish what John the Apostle taught about the Revelation during his ministry in Asia Minor after his release from Patmos. The writings of various early church fathers who were his students throw light on this subject and confirm that it was often discussed. The following are statements made by some of them on the Millennium and related matters:

    Papias, the bishop of Smyrna, was a student of John and learned firsthand about the author’s own interpretation of the book of Revelation. The teaching of this church father is very important as he is the link between the millennialist view and the apostles. Papias taught that after the resurrection of the dead there will be a reign of Christ on earth for a thousand years when He will personally sit on the throne. The earth will experience a time of unprecedented fertility and there will be great prosperity under Christ’s beneficent rule with His saints. Early in the second century, Justin Martyr wrote: “A certain man among us, whose name is John, one of the apostles of Jesus, prophesied in a revelation that he had that those who believe in our Lord Jesus Christ will be in Jerusalem for a thousand years.”

    Another church father, Polycarp, who was one of the youngest students of the apostle John, was a very devoted Christian who also died as a martyr. On the authority of John he taught that the earth will be very fertile during the Millennium and yield abundant crops. Another view of significance is that of Irenaeus who was a student of Polycarp. He said that the reward of the just would be that they will be resurrected from among the dead when the world is renewed and made fertile. His view was that each of the six days of creation indicates a thousand year period, and that after six thousand years of world history have expired it would be followed by the seventh day, which would also be a thousand years.

    This last-mentioned view was entertained by various church fathers, among them Cyprian, Barnabas and Lactantius. In this regard, the Schaff-Herzog Encyclopaedia says that the general view of the fathers was that the Lord will appear at the end of the sixth millennium to establish His kingdom on earth. The general view was that this kingdom, which correlates with the Sabbath of Creation, will continue for one thousand years.
    Persistence of the allegorical interpretation

    Despite the clear testimonies of the apostle John, the early church fathers and the Bible’s own, very obvious message, the allegorical interpretation of biblical prophecies has permeated virtually the entire church. Theologians have deprived churches of the literal message of the Bible by wrongly interpreting it. Hamilton, an amillennialist himself, admits this problem in his book, The Basis of Millennial Faith: “Now we must frankly admit that a literal interpretation of the Old Testament prophecies gives us just such a picture of an earthly reign of the Messiah as the premillennialists picture.” The critical question is not whether the Bible teaches such an earthly kingdom – because it clearly does – but how the relevant prophecies should be interpreted.

    McDonald (Dictionary of the Christian Church) defines an allegory as follows: “The use of language to convey a deeper and a different meaning from that which appears on the surface.” An allegorical interpretation must be clearly distinguished from a symbolic interpretation. The Bible often makes use of symbolic language, including in prophecy. A symbol always has a literal anti-type as it is used to explain something about a specific person or event. From the way in which it is used, it is clear that a symbol means something else. Examples of symbols to describe certain characteristics of Christ are the lamb, the lion, the light of the world, the bright and morning star, the true vine, etc.

    In cases of allegorical interpretation, the relevant Scripture has a clear and obvious meaning, but for ulterior reasons the reader feels he must read something else into it, thereby assigning a figurative meaning to the Scripture. The allegorical interpretation, therefore, does not subject itself to the authority of the Bible by deriving its meaning from it, but approaches Scripture with a preconceived idea by reading that meaning into the Bible.

    Angus & Green (The Bible Handbook) also refer to this danger when they say: “There is an unlimited scope for fancy, if once the principle be admitted, and the only basis of the exposition is found in the mind of the expositor. The scheme can yield no interpretation, properly so called, although possibly some valuable truths may be illustrated.”

    Bernard Ramm (Protestant Biblical Interpretation) adds to this caution: “To state that the principal meaning of the Bible is a second-sense meaning, and that the principal method of interpretation is spiritualising, is to open the door to almost uncontrolled speculation and imagination. For this reason we have insisted that the control in interpretation is the literal method.”

    O.T. Allis, who himself spiritualises the Bible, is keenly aware of the negative results that it may yield when he says: “Whether the figurative or spiritual interpretation of a given passage is justified or not, depends solely on whether it gives the true meaning. If it is used to empty words of their plain and obvious meaning, to read out of them what is clearly intended by them, the allegorising or spiritualising is a term of reproach which is well merited.”

    One of the great proponents of allegorical interpretation was Origen (AD 185-254). He was strongly influenced by the Greek philosophy of Plato and tried to synthesise the Bible with abstract philosophical thinking. He identified the following three levels of Bible interpretation: (1) The somatic or literal interpretation, which is sufficient for the simple-minded. (2) The psychological or moral interpretation for the more advanced. (3) The pneumatic or allegorical interpretation for those who have wisdom. Such people should be able to find their way through all the symbols and ascend to the level of the mysterious. It is not difficult to see how this approach paved the way for various kinds of deception and metaphysical speculation. For example, Origen taught that “in the end not only will all human beings be saved but even the devil and his demons” (A.A. Hoekema: The Bible and the Future). It is obvious why he did not believe in a literal kingdom on earth and became the founder of allegorical exegesis and amillennial thinking. Like Augustine almost two centuries later, he regarded the church age as the dispensation of the kingdom.

    Augustine (AD 354 to 430) perpetuated the serious exegetical and amillennial errors of Origen in his Confessiones and his book on the kingdom of God – De Civitate Dei. He also studied and accepted neo-Platonist thought. Augustine has the doubtful honour of having been highly regarded by prominent reformers such as Calvin and Luther, while also being venerated as the most eminent Christian scholar by the Vatican. The latter celebrates a feast to his honour on 28th August every year!

    The modern church is still profoundly influenced by the heathen (Platonist) philosophy of the inter-testamental period and also by its similarly mistaken interpretational methods of spiritualising and allegorising the Bible.
    The literal method of interpretation

    Fortunately, there is a growing group of evangelical scholars in modern times who are reverting to sound principles of interpreting the inspired and inerrant Word of God. Dwight Pentecost (Things to Come) gives the following definition of the literal method of interpretation: “The literal method of interpretation is that method that gives to each word the same basic meaning it would have in normal ordinary customary usage, whether employed in writing, speaking or thinking. It is called the grammatical-historical method to emphasise the fact that the meaning is to be determined by both grammatical and historical considerations.”

    The strongest proof of the literal interpretation is the way in which the New Testament makes use of the Old Testament. Good examples are the many prophecies about the birth, life, work, death and resurrection of Christ that were all literally fulfilled in the New Testament.

    Despite this overwhelming evidence about Jesus as the promised Messiah, the Pharisees and scribes decided to suppress the truth and lie to the people. Why did they do that? Hal Lindsey says that any person who does not realise that his most important problem is an inward, spiritual problem, prefers a political above a spiritual saviour.

    It is still the same today. Many churches openly disregard the Bible’s literal message and engage in an ecumenical process of uniting church to society – inadvertently preparing for the world’s false political ‘saviour’, the Antichrist. The spiritualisation of biblical prophecies is clearly a trick by Satan to prevent people from being aware that the return to earth of the great spiritual Saviour of the world, Jesus Christ (Jn. 4:42), to defeat God’s enemies, save the remnant of Israel and establish His millennial reign is now imminent!

    At Christ’s first coming most Jews, especially the hierarchy, ignored the many prophecies about Him, so failed to recognise their true Messiah. Israel paid dearly for their neglect of prophecy: “For the days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation” (Lk. 19:43-44 NKJV). Christ’s prophecies have and will all come true – literally!

    A similar situation prevails concerning His Second Coming. Literal prophecies of His coming are either ignored or wrongly interpreted, thus depriving Christians of their proper future expectation – often leading to some focusing attention on political and social ideals. Jesus Himself said it will be as in the days of Noah and Lot. Those not truly born again will pay a very heavy price in tribulation and divine wrath by being left behind to endure the Antichrist’s reign of terror after Christ comes to take away the saints at the rapture.

    To those who remain true to the Lord Jesus and expect His coming imminently, there is the real hope of returning to this troubled world with Christ when He establishes His millennial reign on earth after the tribulation period.
    Prophecies about the Millennium

    In Revelation 20 there are various references to the one thousand-year reign of Christ when Satan will be bound: “And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison…” (Rev. 20:1-7).

    When the Lord Jesus comes back to earth it will be as “King of kings, and Lord of lords” (Rev. 19:16). He will set up His one-world government with Jerusalem as capital: “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever” (Rev. 11:15).

    In a major end-time prophecy Daniel likened Christ’s Second Coming to the effect of a great stone smiting the kingdoms of the world, pulverising them to chaff carried on the wind, then becoming a great mountain filling the whole earth, replacing them with His kingdom (Dan. 2:34-35; 44-45), so “the Lord shall be King over all the earth” (Zech. 14:9). This is similar to the prophecy about the Lord Jesus reigning as King, which was given to Mary before His birth: “And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a Son, and shalt call His name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David” (Lk. 1:31-32).

    The throne of David is not in heaven but on earth. Jesus does not now reign in a literal sense from the throne of David as this throne has, since the Babylonian captivity, been temporarily in suspension. Christ will restore this throne at His Second Coming and then reign from it: “After this I will return and will rebuild the tabernacle of David which has fallen down. I will rebuild its ruins, and I will set it up, so that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does all these things” (Acts 15:16-17 NKJV).

    The elders in heaven (representing redeemed Jews and Gentiles) are aware they will return with Christ and reign with Him in His earthly kingdom, since they explicitly sing: “Thou… wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by Thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth” (Rev. 5:9-10; cf. 2 Tim. 2:12).

    It is therefore clearly evident that the events of Revelation coincide with a strong proclamation of the Kingship of Jesus Christ: “Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down… he knoweth that he hath but a short time” (Rev. 12:10,12).

    When Jesus, our High Priest who now intercedes for us at the throne of the Father, returns to earth, the power and influence of Satan here will be broken and the kingdom of Christ established. The devil will then no longer be the ruler and god of this present evil world (Jn. 14:30; 2 Cor. 4:4; Gal. 1:4; 1 Jn. 5:19), but Christ as “king shall reign in righteousness” as “Ruler in Israel”, and “have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth” (Is. 32:1; Mic. 5:2; Ps. 72:8).

    A further proof that the millennial reign is not in heaven is that in this dispensation there will still be inherent carnality and disorderliness among the nations, which will necessitate that they be ruled with a strong hand. Although Satan will be bound and prohibited from deceiving the nations into committing rebellious deeds, they will still have fallen natures that need to be disciplined. In Revelation 12:5 and 19:15 it is plainly stated that Christ will rule the nations “with a rod of iron.” His faithful servants will also share in this rule: “But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth My works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father” (Rev. 2:25-27).

    The Lord (Yahweh) declares in Psalm 2:6: “Yet have I set My King upon My holy hill of Zion.” During the Messianic reign the throne of the Lord Jesus in Jerusalem will represent heavenly rule and therefore be a centre of divine wisdom, power, authority and righteousness. Micah says: “But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. And He shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into [ploughshares], and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more” (Mic. 4:1-3; cf. Is. 24:23).

    Beating “swords into ploughshares” means re-using the same metal, which can only refer to earth – there are no swords in heaven, nor ploughs needed there! A complete absence of weapons, military training and war is unprecedented in history and can only refer to God’s kingdom coming and His will being “done in earth, as it is in heaven” (Mt. 6:10). The devil will, at last, be securely bound and unable to deceive, and sin will be restrained during Christ’s thousand year “rod of iron” rule. Even the animal creation will benefit and predation will cease: “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea” (Is. 11:9).

    Jerusalem will spontaneously be recognised by all peoples as world capital and no hostility or political tension will exist between individual nations: “At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the [stubbornness] of their evil heart” (Jer. 3:17).

    Laxity will be the only form of misconduct, as some nations will neglect their duty to go up to Jerusalem to worship the King. It may still be a matter of the spirit being willing but the flesh weak (Mt. 26:41). Their neglect will provoke a rebuke and disciplinary measures from the King: “And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain” (Zech. 14:16-17).

    At the beginning of the Millennium, the remnant of the nations who survived the great tribulation and the battle of Armageddon will honour the Lord (Zech. 14:16). However, the upcoming generations will increasingly manifest their fallen nature which they will inherit from their first ancestor, Adam. These peoples will be evangelised by Israel, who will all serve the Lord with one accord, and many will be saved: “[The Lord] shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit” (Is. 27:6; cf. Zech. 8:23).

    The doctrine of the two resurrections is also clearly related to the Millennium. Only those who have part in the first resurrection (Lk. 14:14; 1 Thes. 4:16), including O.T. believers and those saved during the tribulation, will rule with Christ. We should “examine” ourselves (2 Cor. 13:5) and ask God to “search” us (Ps. 139:23-24) to be quite sure we are born-again so as to qualify for the first resurrection: “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years” (Rev. 20:6).

    The rest of the dead are the unsaved multitude of all centuries, and they will not be resurrected until the thousand years have ended (Rev. 20:5). They will then appear before the great white throne to be judged and condemned to the eternal lake of fire (Jude v. 7).
    Characteristics of the millennial reign

    Remembering the words of the prayer the Lord Jesus taught us, “Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven” (Mt. 6:10), the following are the most important characteristics of the future reign of peace on earth:

    · God will rule on earth through His King of kings, Jesus Christ. A theocratic world government will, therefore, be established (Lk. 1:31-33; Rev. 19:15; Dan. 7:13-14).

    · Christ will reign on David’s restored throne in Jerusalem and Israel will be the hub of the world (Ps. 2:6-12; Zech. 8:22; Is. 2:2-3; 24:23; 33:17,20-22; Dan. 7:27). His government will be characterised by righteousness and equity (Is. 1:26-27; 32:1-2; 16-17; Jer. 23:5-6).

    · Israel’s capital, Jerusalem, “the city of our God”, “the city of the great King”, will be the centre of worship for the whole world and all nations will converge there to worship God through Christ the King of kings (Ps. 48; Zech. 14:16-20; Is. 66:18-23; Rev. 19:16).

    · The saved remnant of Israel will rejoice in the Lord and evangelise the entire world (Is 12:3-6; 27:6; 40:9; 51:11). They will make the world fruitful (Is. 27:6) and God will be honoured (Is. 28:5; Zech. 8:20-23).

    · Satan will be securely bound so that he cannot deceive the nations (Rev. 20:1-4).

    · Peace will prevail everywhere. There will be no more war or military training and weapons will be recycled for peaceful uses (Is. 2:4; 9:7; Mic. 5:4-5; Hos. 2:18).

    · The earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea (Is. 11:9-10; Hab. 2:14).

    · There will be no disease (Mal. 4:2; Is. 33:24).

    · People will live healthily and actively to a great age – like the antediluvians. A 100 year-old person will be regarded as a child (Is. 65:20-23).

    · Nature will greatly benefit since the curse of Genesis 3:17-19 will be lifted and the whole of creation, which since then has been groaning, will be set free from the bondage of corruption into glorious liberty (Rom. 8:19-22; Is. 55:12-13; Joel 3:18).

    · An agricultural or horticultural way of life is indicated and the earth will produce food so prolifically that planting the next crop will take place before the previous one has been fully harvested! (Mic. 4:3-4; Amos 9:13-15; Is. 65: 21-23; Ps. 65:9-13).

    · Harmony will prevail in the animal kingdom. The wolf will lie down with the lamb and the lion will eat straw like an ox – they will “not hurt nor destroy” each other – because the Lord will make a new covenant with the animals that will change the physiology and aggressive nature of the carnivorous predators into the physiology and gentle nature of herbivores (Is. 11:6-9; 65:25; Hos. 2:18).
    Israel’s position in the Millennium

    Israel’s position during the coming Messianic era is frequently described in the Old Testament where it is specifically related to the day of the Lord. It will be a time of great blessing, abundance, joy in the Lord and peace on earth. Israel will fulfil its original destiny and potential as a people of God and be a nation through whom He will bless the whole earth. Paul says of them: “Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! … For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?” (Rom. 11:12,15 NKJV).

    Through Israel’s fall, by rejecting and crucifying their Messiah, the gospel of reconciliation with God has been offered not only to Jews but to Gentiles also. What a tremendous blessing that is to the Gentiles! How much more will Israel be a blessing to the world in the Millennium as they proclaim the Messiah’s praises among all nations! This will be the long-delayed, but grand consummation of this unique nation’s destiny and calling as the chosen people of God. The following are examples of promises about Israel’s restoration and glory in the coming Messianic era:

    · “And I will bring again the captivity of My people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them… And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them…” (Amos 9:14-15).

    · “Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city…” (Is. 52:1).

    · “Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and His glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising” (Is. 60:1-3).

    · “And they shall rebuild the old ruins, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the ruined cities, the desolations of many generations. Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the foreigner shall be your ploughmen and your vine-dressers. But you shall be named the Priests of the Lord, men shall call you the Servants of our God. You shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory you shall boast. Instead of your shame you shall have double honour, and instead of confusion they shall rejoice in their portion. Therefore in their land they shall possess double; everlasting joy shall be theirs. For I, the Lord, love justice; I hate robbery for burnt offering; I will direct their work in truth, and will make with them an everlasting covenant. Their descendants shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people. All who see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the posterity whom the Lord has blessed” (Is. 61:4-9 NKJV).

    · “And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more” (Jer. 31:34).

    · “And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and My servant David shall be their prince for ever. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be My people. And the [nations] shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore” (Ezek. 37:24-28).

    · “And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And the Lord shall be king over all the earth” (Zech. 14:8-9).

    · “Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment” (Is. 32:1).

    · “I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for Mine anger is turned away from him. I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon. His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon” (Hos. 14:4-6).

    · “For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the Lord our God. For thus saith the Lord; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: [proclaim] ye, praise ye, and say, O Lord, save Thy people, the remnant of Israel… Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: …this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days… I will put My law in their [minds], and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people” (Jer. 31:6-7,31,33).

    · “Behold, I will bring [the city] health and cure, and I will cure them, and will reveal unto them the abundance of peace and truth. And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first. And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against Me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against Me. And it shall be to Me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them; and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it” (Jer. 33:6-9).

    · “…ye that make mention of the Lord, keep not silence, and give Him no rest, till He establish, and till He make Jerusalem a praise in the earth” (Is. 62:6-7).

    These and many other blessings will be characteristic of the Millennium when the Messiah reigns from the throne of David in Jerusalem. His glorified saints will rule with Him and righteousness and equity will prevail on earth (Is. 32:1; Ps. 98:9; Is. 11:4; Rev. 20:6b). Israel will play a leading part in world affairs and will be God’s special representative nation among all the nations of the world.
    Proofs that the Millennium is future

    Irrefutable evidence that the millennial dispensation is still future is provided by the following very distinctive features of the Millennium which still await literal fulfilment:
    Prophecies of Israel’s blessings not yet fulfilled!

    Divine prophecies of Israel being re-gathered to their land, spiritually revived, elevated above all nations and abundantly blessed (Deut. 28:1-14; 30:1-4; Ezek. 36:24-28; Is. 60:1-22; Hos. 14:5-8; Rom. 11:26-27) have never been fulfilled. On the contrary, no nation has suffered and survived anything like the prolonged world-wide dispersion, disdain, persecution, hatred and genocide which the people of Israel have during the past two millennia. God’s promises never fail – they will be honoured in the Millennium.
    A literal 1000 years!

    The amillennialist claim that the six-fold mention in Revelation 20 of “a thousand years” represents the Christian era of circa 2000 years is untenable. Without doubt it is still future and will be literally fulfilled, just as the prophecy of the Babylonian captivity of 70 years was literally fulfilled (Jer. 25: 11-12). A thousand-year reign of Christ would have ended circa AD 1033, followed by Judgement day!
    The binding of Satan

    At Christ’s appearance the devil will be bound so “that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled” (Rev. 20:3). We know from Job 2:1-6 that Satan is ultimately limited by the supreme authority of God and can only act within the restrictions imposed on him. According to amillennialists Satan is bound and Messiah has been reigning as Prince of Peace for the past 2000 years! If those years have been peaceful we may well ask, what on earth will happen after Satan’s release? If Satan is indeed bound in prison why are we warned against his devices (2 Cor. 2:11), subtle deception (2 Cor. 11:3), wiles (Eph. 6: 11), fiery darts (Eph. 6:16), temptation (1 Cor. 7:5), snares (1 Tim. 3:7), power (Acts 26:18), persecution (Rev. 2:10), and efforts to devour us (1 Pet. 5:8)?
    Kingdom theology

    One of the major reasons for the theological confusion and apostasy in the end-time church is its lack of dispensational discernment. Prophecies about a future kingdom on earth are allegorised, or spiritualised, and applied to the church. In that way, the Millennium is equated with the church age and some Christians feel justified in developing and practising kingdom theology. The door has thereby been opened for the following false doctrines to be brought into the church:
    Dominion theology

    It is asserted that we should rule as kings, even as little gods, and take control over the world now. Because of the authority vested in us we have the power to change things in the material and spiritual realms by our words – called positive confession or word of faith. Christians will soon occupy leadership positions in politics and other areas of public life, thereby obtaining the authority to legislate for society in accordance with Christian principles.

    Comment: Dominion theology is derived from the promise that we will rule with Christ in the Millennium (Rev. 5:10; 20: 1-6). Those who wrongly assume that we are in the Millennium now, mistakenly try to live up to their claim to be kings.

    The binding of Satan

    It is claimed that the authority vested in us in this kingdom era, empowers Christians to engage in strategic spiritual warfare against the kingdom of darkness, pulling down evil strongholds, binding Satan and stripping him of his power. Peter Wagner, George Otis, Marches for Jesus, etc., promote this practice globally, claiming to liberate cities, regions and even entire countries from demonic bondage.

    Comment: The devil will only be bound at the Second Coming of Christ when the millennial age begins. It is highly presumptuous to argue that we can bind the devil now and deprive him of his territory in this present evil age of which he is “the god” (2 Cor. 4:4). Demons can only be cast out of individuals now, not from geographical areas!
    Christian reconstruction of the world

    Proponents of kingdom theology have a vision to reconstruct, or transform, the world in accordance with Christian principles. They are advocating a process of social, political, moral and religious transformation aimed at creating a peaceful and just Christian world. They argue that when they have achieved this vision by preaching a mixture of the true gospel with politico-social reform, then the kingdom will have come – even before the King comes!

    Comment: In the Millennium, spiritual deception, war, violence, injustice and immorality will indeed vanish from the scene (Jer. 3:17). However, we are not in the Millennium now, but in an evil world which is strongly influenced by Satan (Acts 26:18; Eph. 6:12). Sadly, most people are on the broad way to hell and prefer darkness to light (Jn. 3:19).
    Prosperity gospel

    Many Christians get carried away by the promises of economic abundance during the Millennium and jump to the unfounded conclusion that these promises are intended for the church age. They proclaim a prosperity gospel of name it and claim it, and suggest that all who have a strong faith should be very prosperous and free of any problems or hardships in life. If you are sick, bed-ridden, poor, unemployed and without a big house and large car of your own, your faith must be very weak!

    Comment: Economic abundance will indeed characterise the Millennium (Amos 9:13-14). However, in the present age we have to be content with what we have (1 Tim. 6:8), not strive for material riches (Lk. 12:15) but prepared to be poor (2 Cor. 6:10; Jas. 2:5) and to suffer for Christ (Phil. 1:29).
    Signs and wonders

    The advocates of kingdom theology say that we should demonstrate our superior spiritual powers by performing great signs and wonders – including sensational healing miracles. Even the most weird, mystical manifestations such as hysterical laughter, jerking, falling down when “zapped”, making animal noises, and being “drunk in the Spirit”, are irreverently ascribed to the activity of the Holy Spirit.

    Comment: The signs and wonders of the last days are explicitly associated with false prophets (Mt. 24:11,24). They are paving the way for the appearance of the Antichrist, whose coming will be “after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders” (2 Thes. 2:9). Biblical truth is not the norm, but new and dramatic experiences.
    Uniting the world

    Kingdom theology is aimed at the ecumenical unification of the world church in preparation for the coming of the King. Theologians and church leaders with this mindset advocate a global new world order of unity and peace. This a human-centred theology of creating a humanistic kingdom on earth before the coming of Christ. Ecumenicalists are devoted to social, political and economic change in the world, working hand-in-hand with New Age leaders.

    Comment: The united world church mentioned in the Bible is described as an apostate organisation representing all the false religions. This body is identified as “Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth” (Rev. 17:5). The true church of Christ cannot enter into association with non-Christian religions – nor with false teachers within the professing church.
    The true Millennium

    Let us eagerly expect the true Millennium that will commence after the coming of the King, Jesus Christ. Only He can save the remnant of Israel and of the nations (Zech. 12:10; Mt. 24:30-31), bind and incarcerate the devil (Rev. 20:1-3), restore the throne of David (Acts 2:29-30) and change everything on earth for the better. If we are prepared to suffer now and serve the Lord in the face of much opposition (Acts 14: 22), we will accompany Him during His triumphant return (Zech. 14:4-5) and reign with Him on earth (2 Tim. 2:12).

    The deceivers and false prophets who are striving to establish a humanistic Utopia on earth before the coming of the King, are exerting themselves in a futile effort to achieve an unattainable humanist dream. There are conditions on earth that we simply cannot change before Jesus comes again! Instead we have a thrilling expectation for the future at His coming – we will not only escape the great tribulation (Rev. 3:10) by the rapture, but return seven years later to rule with Him during His millennial reign (Rev. 5:9-10)!

    Above all, the most important thing about the millennial reign is that our Lord Jesus will be completely vindicated and glorified on this very earth where He “went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed of the devil” (Acts 10:38), yet was so disgracefully humiliated, despised, rejected, cruelly cast out as worthless and crucified by the fallen creatures that He, as Creator, had made. God’s answer to this is that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess Him as Lord (Phil. 2:6-11).

    Jesus will also be vindicated in the eyes of that very nation which was so very honoured by His first coming, yet so dismally failed and sinned in that they did not recognise Him as their true Messiah, despite His clear fulfilment of their Scriptures. Pilate’s inscription above the cross will be vindicated and fulfilled in that Jesus will reign not only as “king of kings, and lord of lords” (Rev. 19:16) universally, but also as “king of the jews” (Mk. 15:26) in Jerusalem!

    http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Millennium.htm

  7. joe closet says:

    What you fail to comprehend is that the majority of so called “Domionists” are, in fact, Pre-Tib believer’s brought up on the heretical “Left Behind” series by Tim LaHaye (a multi millionaire backer of the Religious Right in America). Question: If the “rapture” was indeed “Pre-Trib” then how then could the beast system and “AntiChrist” ever deceive the world? Answer: They couldn’t! Meaning: The system and the “Antichrist”, both of which will come out of the United States and the “Religious Right” will deceive people in that NOTHING even close to the “rapture” will happen before or during when they eventually seize power and begin their rampage. If the so called “Rapture” were to happen before this period then the world would know what is next? It’s common sense really isn’t it?

  8. joe closet

    >> Pre-Tib believer’s brought up on the heretical “Left Behind” series by Tim LaHaye (a multi millionaire backer of the Religious Right in America)

    Um… what the? What planet do you come from?

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    Burning Lamp said to Donna:

    “2011/01/19 at 4:32 pm
    Thanks for the clarification Donna – but don’t let the enemy rob you of the Blessed Hope, the pre-trib catching away of the Church. If anyone had ANY idea of what the Great Trib will be like, the deception that will be rampant, you think it is bad NOW – just wait – we ain’t seen nuthin’ yet!!! In order for the AC and evil to fully manifest itself, the Church has to be taken out of the way!! And the apostate church will be left behind. Anyhoo, just give this some thought – I pray God enlightens you – not a dividing issue – but just hate to see you robbed of this blessing. Grace and peace to you sister!”

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    Matthias said to Burning Lamp:
    2011/01/19 at 9:45 pm

    Dear Burning Lamp,

    I am sorry, but Dispensationalism is very dangerous and not a good method of understanding the Bible. Nearly all reformers were using historicism to understand the Bible for very good reasons. Dispensationalism is a rather new invention and it simple makes huge parts of the Word of God null and void, just like the pharisees did with their traditions.

    May God bless you,
    Matthias

    [EDITED by DTW: One thing I have noticed with ALL people that are anti dispensational – they believe all sorts of other STRANGE things – make a note of this and see how the lid of the anti-dispensationalist fits the pot of the roman catholic church well ;)]

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    Donna said to Burning Lamp:

    2011/01/21 at 7:17 am
    BL, as I understand it, the Blessed Hope is the return of the Lord. Yes, things are getting worse by the day, but as I’ve studied the catching away, it is the tares that are taken out first & then the wheat & I believe that’s why the Lord has to shorten the days of the tribulation. I still believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit & that we need to continue to be filled as in Ephes. & I do believe we need the gifts of the Holy Spirit to help us & help others. Just b/c there are counterfeits running rampant, esp. these days, does not mean that there is no genuinue. Anyway, each of us has our differences as we are growing & learning but we know that the agape love of God within us is the most important of all & to agape love others as well.

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    Donna said to Burning Lamp

    2011/01/21 at 7:29 am
    BL, since the Blessed Hope is a fact, why would the Lord exclude anyone just b/c they may have a different understanding or interpretation? I don’t think so. Is the Lord going to ferret out everyone according to their studying & understanding at that time in their lives? I think not, but maybe I misunderstood what you were saying…Anyway,God bless you richly in Christ Jesus.

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    Burning Lamp said to Donna

    2011/01/21 at 4:30 pm
    Donna, just because someone doesn’t believe in the pre-trib, they are not excluded. One’s eschatology has nothing to do with one’s salvation or qualification for the Rapture. It is just that when one believes in the Blessed Hope of the pre-trib that it is a huge comfort in the midst of this crazy world and all its disappointments and trials. It is the expectation of His imminent return that is a purifying factor as well.

    The Rapture will occur at the end of the Church Age and then all hell will break loose. How is this possible with the Church on the earth? The Bridegroom will come for His Bride and we will all be at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb and then we will return to reign with Him during the Millenium.

    Yes, Donna, you will be caught up whether you believe or not, but there is a crown for those who await His imminent return.

    Many blessings back atcha – I can tell you are a dear sister who loves the Lord – I hope you come to know and understand the Blessed Hope. But even if you don’t, you will come along with the rest of us who do. 🙂

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    Linda Harris said:
    2011/01/22 at 8:20 pm

    Eph 4:
    7BUT UNTO EVERY ONE OF US IS GIVEN GRACE ACCORDING TO THE MEASURE OF THE GIFT OF CHRIST. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, AND GAVE GIFTS UNTO MEN.(9,10)11. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

    It would stand to reason that if there are no prophets or that is if the office or ministry of a prophet were still not part of Gods gifts and plans, that then there would also be no teachers, evangelists or pastors. A prophet wasn’t simply a man that heard the message from God first hand and then spoke it to the people. But was also any man or woman who claimed to be speaking for God. This would include anyone who writes a blog or shares and teaches in anyway, that the Bible teaches so and so. You are in effect saying “Thus sayeth the Lord.

    Paul goes on to state the purpose and for what “time” these ministries, gifts (whatever) will be in force.

    “For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: TILL (UNTIL) we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: (Again the purpose being) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

    It is obvious by these statements, that these gift, ministries (whatever)would be in force until the body of Christ, that was foretold to fall away or apostasize from the truth, would RECOVER the truth, and grow up into the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, where they would so hold to the truth, that they would be able to discern rightly who truly spoke for God and who didn’t. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE NOT COME TO THAT TIME YET! However we do see a great falling out of and away from the false gospel of the last 2000 years, individuals who are seeing and renoucing false doctrines, and seeking the truth. At the same time we are also seeing lying signs and wonders beginning in the Church. The “experiences” of these people are real, just not from the real one and true God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ. And are simply a last ditch effort for Satan to hold on to as many people as he can, as the saints come out of her, and rediscover the original understanding of the original gospel.

    This will not happen until all of the false ideas and concepts developed in the church in the last 2000 years are finally seen and renouced, and God’s children are walking in the same knowledge and understanding of scripture they had in the first century. However as they attempt to come out of this deception, there are still many “liers in wait”, many who claim to have come out themselves, but are yet holding to many docternal errors, can catching them coming out, and leading them back into the same old errors.

    Why is PERFECT docternal accuracy and understanding regarding everything Jesus said IMPORTANT?

    2 Cor 11
    2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
    For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received, or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

    The absolute truth and understanding of the original gospel is vital in that any varriation whatsoever brings with it ANOTHER SPIRIT. Remember Paul is speaking to BELIEVERS who had already believed in Christ, and already we know received the holy spirit. Yet, even so, by not holding on to the truth they were taught AS IT WAS TAUGHT, meaning the understanding of that truth, not just quoted scriptures (which can be and are taken out of context to present a false image), they would if they received another understanding, also receive ANOTHER SPIRIT. Again EVEN AFTER THEY HAD RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    This is why having and holding on to a perfect understanding and knowledge of the truth as it was taught and understood by Jesus and the apostels if VITAL, for this is what keeps a person CLEAN from that UN-HOLY spirit, one receives when one is indoctrinated into another gospel.

    Paul continues his “prophecy” to the Ehpesians, which in reality simply fortells what is, what was, and what is foretold to eventually come to pass, God’s people would loose the truth, soon even before the death of the original apostles, and recover it once again, right towards the end of the age. Whereas they had the truth and lost it, many centuries later God’s deceived children who were in bondage to error, would come out of it, discover the original truth and manage to HOLD onto it long enough for the Lord to return and rescue them from the coming “wrath”.

    “For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: TILL (UNTIL) we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: (Again the purpose being) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking (the Gk word has the direct meaning of HOLDING ON TO, and thus them speaking) the truth, in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

    This is the wise virgin he’s coming for, not those to whome God allows a strong delusion, because they received not a love of the truth. So yes TRUTH or DOCTRINE DOES MATTER. But does that mean that all those left are damned? No but they will not be saved from what is called the “hour of trial”.

    Rev 3:10
    Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    Now if you want to believe that this means you get out of here before the tribulation mentioned in the very first part of Rev. i.e. the 4 horsemen, then that’s up to you, all I know is that Jesus said “IMMEDIATELY AFTER” the tribulation of those days, would be when he sent his angels to gather his elect together. Beginning his endtime discourse in Matt 25 with “TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU,” referring to mens teachings about eshcatology or endtime events. and he ended with the story of the 5 wise virgins and the 5 foolish virgins, 5 taken and 5 left for that hour of temptation, which according to his teaching on those times, begins after the time of great tribulation. So do end time doctrines and beliefs matter? I would say so, since not to truly understand and know the truth, simply means you have more of a love of your pet doctrine that you do for the truth, making you a foolish virgin.

    So are there prophets today? No, not yet. There are not prophets of God, because God’s children have not as yet recovered the original understanding of Jesus teachings. When they read the bible they read all the false doctrines they have been taught by both the Church and “another spirit” they received when they were indoctrinated into these things. But are there prophets today? Again, no not until the saints recover the understanding of the gospel AKA THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS.

    Rev. 19:10
    And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: FOR THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY.

    Truth is that most Christians really do not know or follow the testimony of Jesus, which is now contained in the writings of gospels. Hence without holding strong to, understanding and doing those words which Jesus said “ARE SPIRIT”, they have no true light, and no spirit working in them to the degree that they could prophesy. Hence even though they may not all be prophets per say, they would still have to be able to “prophesy” to eventually if it were God’s will walk into the office of a prophet.

    It is through the office of an apostle/prophet that most of the mighty works, signs, miricles, wonders, healings took place. These were specifically allowed by God for one main purpose to CONFIRM THE TRUTH that they were teaching. But today since God’s saints do not hold the truth (YET), God will not back up the lies they believe with genuine supernatural acts. Hence pretty much what we are getting is counterfeit demon manifestations claiming to be the holy spirit.

    True prophecy is simply the holy spirit bringing to your remembrance the word of God, that you have already put in your mind and heart, in order to produce the following effect.

    1 Cor 14:24
    24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

    God knows exactly what any individual has to hear to believe in him. Ultimately this is what prophecy was for, as well as edification, exortation and comfort. Prophecy is simply the word being brought forth through devine inspiration of the holy spirit within you. But it can only take place if you have been taught the truth, and hold to and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. It is simply one aspect of what the holy spirit actually does.

    Best Regards,

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    Donna said to Burning Lamp:

    2011/01/22 at 8:44 pm
    From BL–”Yes, Donna, you will be caught up whether you believe or not, but there is a crown for those who await His imminent return.”

    BL–
    I see three crowns listed in the bible–the crown of righteousness, the crown of life, & the crown of glory.

    As I understand it, the Blessed Hope is the appearing of our Lord,(nothing about any moment return). If by imminent you mean coming, nearing, approaching, yes, that’s what I believe, I just do not believe in an “any moment: return b/c of what it says in
    2 Thes. 2:1-3) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

    That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

    Let NO man deceive you by ANY means: for that day shall NOT come, except there come a FALLING AWAY FIRST, AND that MAN OF SIN be REVEALED, the son of perdition; So it looks like this falling away is evident BUT I don’t see the son of perdition REVEALED as yet.

    So of course, I look forward to the appearing of the Lord b/c of the beauty of His holiness & loveliness & love, & power & pure justice, etc. & also b/c of the ugliness & wickedness of this world in which we are not citizens. Titus 2:13 –Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    And here’s the crown of righteousness laid up for those who love His appearing. (no any moment return here). 2 Timothy 4:8 — Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

    We know it’s for those who endure temptation & for those who love Him: James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

    And here we see that we are to hold fast to that which we have so as not to lose our crown. (Nothing here about any moment return.) Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: (the meaning is suddenly) hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

    So according to the vss. I’ve included here, there is nothing about receiving a crown just for those who wait for His imminent return. Now I realize that we can only write & understand so much thru the use of the computer & lots of times we have things in our minds but we don’t write them all down. Perhaps that’s what you did, BL. I just wanted to make this clear to anyone who may be reading this to go by what is written & not just some idea about the crown of life that is not written in the bible. 🙂 Blessings on all those who love & search for the truth.

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    Deborah said to Donna

    2011/01/23 at 6:42 am | In reply to Donna.
    Donna

    PLEASE have this discussion under the rapture topic. http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/01/06/the-rapture-an-article-to-knock-your-socks-off/ and –

    Your understanding of the premillennialism is incorrect – hence the arguments you level at the rapture are false. Understand premillennialism correctly FIRST and then tell me it’s wrong. I’ve read more than 50 different people who were postmillennial or amillennial level a charge against premillennialism and they all did not actually understand the the entire thing properly – which would make their claims seem valid – but it wasn’t. What EXACTLY do you believe? But please answer under the rapture topic.

    As you can see Linda is already throwing her toys out her cot levelling all sorts of things against me because you brought up the rapture thing and now this topic will be ruined because of it.

    Revelation 3:10 (Amplified Bible)

    10 Because you have guarded and kept My word of patient endurance [have held fast the lesson of My patience with the expectant endurance that I give you], I also will keep you [safe] from the hour of trial (testing) which is coming on the whole world to try those who dwell upon the earth.

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    Donna said to Deborah

    2011/01/23 at 9:34 am
    Hi Deb,
    My comment about the rapture was only b/c you brought it up to me.I’m finished here re any more comments about my thoughts to BL.

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    Deborah said to Donna:

    2011/01/23 at 11:19 am
    Donna

    Look at what you said in your first comment? that was taking a poke at me suggesting that this article I wrote was incorrect due to the fact that I also follow Premillennialism. You said, “I realize you are trying your best to disseminate the truth, but as any of us can be off the mark at times, so can you in your efforts to help others, yet certainly not meaning to lead anyone away from the truth. For instance, just b/c you believe that there is a pre-trib rapture doesn’t mean that it bears out in the NT” {sighs} I think I am just going to not bother answering reading comments today… I don’t have time for these silly word games. If you want to take me on please do so under the correct topic!

  19. Martin Horan says:

    We can argue about Rapture and no-Rapture till the the cows come home, in spite of the very obvious truth.
    If there is no Rapture then the Bible certainly contradicts itself. That’s because the Scriptures referring to the Rapture and those that refer to Christ’s second coming show totally different scenarios.
    We Christians are told that He can come and any time and we are to be ready because no-one will be expecting Him and it will be a time of relative peace.
    When Christ returns at Armageddon immediately after the Great Tribulation (showing it won’t be a time of any kind of peace) especially as people will be collapsing with their hearts failing them and others crying for the rocks to fall on them, Christians wouldn’t have to be told to be ready. We’d be waiting for seven years since the start of the Great Tribulation!
    Jesus Himself tells us that there would never be a time like it since the beginning of time till the end of time. Of course, there are Preterists who believe that Jesus was either joking, lying, or simply didn’t know what He was talking about because they tell us that that happened in 70 AD at the fall of Jerusalem.
    We all know that far worse things have happened to the Jews–let alone Christians and the Gentiles–since then: the Christian martyrs, the Holocaust, Nagaski, Hiroshima, Viet Nam, Cambodia, and what’s going on right now between Moslems slaughtering Moslems. But I wouldn’t take too seriously what Preterists claim. They are prophesied of in 2nd Peter 3:3-5. (That can only apply to pseudo-Christians because agnostics, atheists and pagans don’t know anything about the promise of Christ’s Second Coming.)
    What I find sad about the anti-Rapture brigade is their utter hostility in their arguments. Their subjectivity is the result of refusing to look at the Scriptures and compare them and the refusal to take on historical and other facts which contradict their already held paradigms.
    Worse! They revert to personal insult and deliberate distortion of facts–as shown in some of the above comments–which makes one wonder why they are not involved in politics rather than Christian apologetics. Their approach to argumentation is surely far better suited to politics than any kind of Christian debate.

  20. Albert says:

    [deleted – my arn’t you just a mean nasty person]

  21. Tom Lessing says:

    carrie daniel wrote:

    Tribulation and wrath are not the same thing.

    Do your really think the King of kings and Lord of Lords will have to shorten those days during the Tribulation if Coca Cola and its ads took center stage? “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. (Mat 24:22)

  22. Christina says:

    I got saved in 1987, joined a spirit filled Lutheran church and devoured the word of God, went to every lecture, study, and seminar that I could find, and was blessed in all my pursuits for truth. I believed in speaking in tongues, the rapture of the church before the tribulation, and was comfortable in those teachings until I started to really dig into the word. I learned how to read back to the original languages, what greek grammar rules were and why 2 thessalonians does not refer to the holy spirit being removed and thus satan having full access to mankind. I won’t go into that here, my point is you have to keep the word in context with it’s subject.

    You did the very thing so many do when citing the “two women at the mill and one is taken and the other left” as proof of some rapture, when you just need to keep it in context. What did Jesus just say before that? “As in the days of Noah when the flood came and TOOK them all away and only Noah and his family were LEFT!” What took that woman? It was the flood. What does the serpent cast out of his mouth against the woman (church) in Revelation? He casts out a flood from his mouth, and what comes from your mouth? Lies come from your mouth, and thus the one taken in the field is taken in a flood of lies! She is wholly seduced, following the imposter Christ, and is one of the five unwise virgins who did not put oil (truth) in her lamp to wait for her bridegroom!

    I made a video about this that you can watch here: [url removed]

    The tribulation of antichrist is seduction not beheading. Be very careful for the hour is late.

  23. Christina, your last remark completely disqualifies your remark on the Rapture.

    The tribulation of antichrist is seduction not beheading. Be very careful for the hour is late.

    First of all the seven year tribulation is not Antichrist’s tribulation. It is God’s tribulation which He is going to bring upon the entire world. It is not Satan who is going to open the seals, but Jesus Christ Himself, unless Satan is worthy of doing it (Rev 5:2). Secondly you are totally wrong to say that the tribulation is seduction and not beheading. If seduction was the tribulation then the tribulation must have started in the Garden of Eden and has continued to this very moment. In any case the Bible clearly says that the method Antichrist is going to use to kill believers during the Great Tribulation is beheading.

    And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Rev 20:4)

  24. R. Roth says:

    Everyone thinks their view is correct, but how can you really tell, and how important is it really?

    Both Jesus and Paul tell us to be careful that no man deceive you concerning this issue… Matt. 24:4, 2 Thess. 2:3. Peter tells us that those who don’t get it correct, “..twist the scriptures as the always do…” 2 Pet. 3:16. So obviously the warning stipulates that there is a lot of deception and twisting of the Word.

    If you are interested in the truth, you must be willing to set aside all opinion, assumption, conjecture and speculation. If you can do this the truth will become available to you. This is not an easy task, especially if you have studied a lot of man’s opinion, and therefore see through those lenses. If you, however, are new to the study, let the Bible be your guide. Otherwise, you must be able to set aside all the movies, lectures, and ideas that may have bombarded you with man’s opinion over the years.

    One certain way to understand that the Word of God has been tampered with is that certain ideas or doctrines create loose ends that must be tied up and therefore must be explained only by man. Like a child who has told a lie and must tell others to cover for the first on. These ideas create sub-doctrines that cannot be substantiated by the Word and must be explained by someone in order to be understood. You will not be able to find any explanation from the Word, because they are super-scriptural, and therefore added to the Word. For the truth to be found the idea must flow with the whole of Scripture and all “loose end” must be dealt with by Scripture, leaving no room for man to interfere.

    Here is an example of a loose end or sub-doctrine: The pre-tribulation rapture view tells us that the bride is raptured seven years prior to the second coming. That is the initial idea. However it creates many loose ends that must be explained and must be addressed solely by man. One loose end is the sub-doctrine of the tribulation saints. The tribulation saint cannot be the bride, because the bride is in heaven (according to the view). This causes many problems with the whole of Scripture; “we are one body in Christ Jesus”, the promises that apply to the bride, don’t apply to the tribulation saints, etc. How can the saints be one body as a bride, and another as separate from the bride, and remain one body? Man’s explanation of this view, tells us that the tribulation saints must become eternal heavenly servants of the bride. This in effect makes the tribulation saints greater than the bride, because, “He who wishes to be greatest in the kingdom of heaven must become a servant of all.” If that is the case, it would be more desirable to be a tribulation saint than a member of the bride. There are a lot of other complications that this the concept of tribulation saints bring, and those who carry this particular view cannot agree exactly on how this all plays out. Here in lies the problem. It is super-scriptural in nature. Not explained by the Word and therefore the end result must be conjured to make sense of it all. As a result there will be many views concerning the sub-doctrines. This is a loose end that creates a sub-doctrine that is derived and conjured by man. Be careful that no man deceive you! This sub-doctrine is a secondary lie to cover the initial.

    Another issue is a doctrine changing the Word of God to be able to accommodate their view. Peter addresses this… 2 Peter 3:16. In order for the doctrine to be received it must be taught to those with a shallow understanding of the Word.

    Here is an example of this: Luke 21:36 tells us to pray always that we may be counted worthy to escape all that is coming upon the earth… The pre-tribulation view tells us that the word “escape” in this passage refers to the rapture. Okay if that is the case, what does this concept do with the rest of the verse? “…Pray always that you may be counted worthy…” Most have the understanding that the prerequisite to being raptured is being saved. We are saved by grace and not by works or being worthy… Eph 2:8,9. However, for the word “escape” to be the rapture, we must be raptured by our worthiness and pray always accordingly. So now we are told that only some Christians will be raptured because not all are worthy, although saved. To continue this thinking, they would also loose any bride status in order to become tribulation saints. Perhaps even having to have to face martyrdom to earn their way into heaven because Christ died for the bride, and not for them. This verse creates division among those who hold the view. Some believe there is no division of those who are saved that get raptured at the rapture and some do. Overall the understanding of salvation equating those “assigned for rapture” must be severed, otherwise we would have to be saved by works, contrary to the Word. Jesus told us the parable of the 10 virgins in Matt. 25. The five foolish were not only told, “depart from me, I never knew you,” but “go to hell” as well. What they were not told is that they would get a second chance as a tribulation saint. As you can see the Word gets changed (twisted as Peter states) to accommodate the view.

    You must ask yourself, is your own desires clouding your view? Often I get asked, “Why would you want to go through the great tribulation?” As if what I want as anything to do with God’s plan. The obvious conclusion to those who ask this question is that their personal desires have clouded their perception of the truth. Is it foolish to walk directly in the direction of persecution? Peter rebuked Jesus for walking into His crucifixion. Jesus in turn stated, “Get thee behind me Satan.” Today the church spends much of their time running from taking up their cross.

    If Peter tells us that those who do not get it right concerning the view of eschatology (end times), “twist the scripture as they always do.” The “as they always do” is huge. That means that your perceptions of truth concerning your “end time” beliefs exemplifies your perception of the Scriptures as a whole. This puts great importance upon the study of eschatology. We must be lovers of the truth, if not God Himself will send a delusion upon us as stated in 2 Thess. 2 at the end of chapter.

  25. R. Roth

    I agree! We should take heed that no one deceives us, including you. You too should be diligent and attentive so as not to be deceived. However, several of your statements show that you have already been deceived. Some of the major mistakes you are making, are the following:

    1) You fail to make a distinction between the Church and Israel.
    2) You fail to see that the Rapture is not in Matthew 24 and Luke 21.
    3) You fail to see what the purpose is of the Seven Year Tribulation.
    4) You are elevating eschatology to the status of salvation.

    1) Typology plays a very important role in the Bible. I am sure you will agree that many Old Testament figures typified certain aspects of Jesus Christ’s life on earth. A person who fits into this category and our topic of discussion for the moment, is Joseph who is said to have typified Jesus as the suffering servant. The following are some of the things Joseph typified.

    a. Jacob, Joseph’s father, loved him very dearly. Genesis 37:4a
    God the Father, dearly loves Jesus Christ, His Son. Matthew 3:17; John 3:35; John 5:20.

    b. Joseph’s brothers hated him. Genesis 37:4b.
    Jesus’s brothers (his brethren the Jews) hated him (and they still hate Him). John 15:25.

    c. Joseph’s brothers rejected his claims that they would bow before him. Genesis 37:8.
    Jesus was rejected by his brothers because He claimed that He is the Son of God. In fact they thought he was crazy. Matthew 21: 37-39; John 15:24; Psalm 35:19; Psalm 69:5.

    d. Joseph’s brothers planned to kill him. Genesis 37:18.
    Jesus’s own people (the Jews) made plans to kill Him. Matthew 26:3 & 4.

    e. Joseph was as good as dead to his brothers.
    Although Joseph was not killed like Jesus, his father, Jacob, believed that he was dead because his brothers told him that a wild animal had killed him. Genesis 37:21.
    Jesus was killed by crucifixion. Matthew 27:35-37.

    f. Joseph was a great blessing for the heathen in Egypt and he acquired a bride for himself. Genesis 41:1-45.
    Jesus became a great blessing for the heathen (the non-Jewish people) and He acquired a bride from among the Gentile nations for Himself. Ephesians 5:25-32; Isaiah 61:10.

    g. Joseph was given a position high above all the inhabitants of Egypt and his own family. Genesis 45:1-15; Psalm 105: 17 – 19
    Jesus was given a position and a Name above all God’s creation. Matthew 28:19 & 20; Ephesians 1: 18 – 23.

    i. Joseph was reconciled to his brothers. Genesis 45: 1 – 15.
    Israel (the Jews) will eventually be reconciled to Jesus. Romans 11: 1 & 2.

    Of particular imprtance to our discussion is the fact that, like Joseph, Jesus is presently acquiring for Himself a bride amongst the Gentile nations (not the nation of Israel). The nation of Israel, as we see from Scripture, is not part of the bride of Christ but is God the Father’s wife (Jeremiah 3:14). The very same prophet Jeremiah called the yet future Seven Years Tribulation Period the time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) trouble (Jeremiah 30:7), indicating that the bride of Christ whom He is taking from among the Gentile nations (and not the Jewish nation) will not have any part in the tribulation. Indeed, she will have been raptured before the Seven Years Tribulation. In fact, the entire body (bride) of Christ (and not only a part of her) will be raptured. The verses that prove this is Roman 11:25 and 26. The phrase “fullness (completion) of the Gentiles” refers to the Rapture. A key verse in the correct understanding that the Jews are not part of the bride of Christ is John 3:29, “He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.” John the Baptist says here that he, as a representative of the Jewish nation, is not the bride but the friend of the bridegroom and his bride. The friend of the Bridegroom was only an assistant, not the main participant in the marriage. He may be likened to the modern-day best man at the wedding who rejoices to see his best friend getting married to his sweetheart.

    I will answer the rest of your comment later.

  26. Michael says:

    Article is very hacked up and skips verses that are key. This is common for rapture believers. Bits and pieces instead the entire thought that is given when read as a whole. When the difficult bits appear they wave the magic eraser and say “That bit of the Bible is for the jews not you, because they are saved by race, not grace”. Yuck poowee job on the article

  27. Michael,

    Tallking about hacked up . . . as hacked up as your comment that doesn’t even mention one single verse that was supposedly skipped in the article or even one diffiucult bit that was erased? No one said the Jews are not saved by grace. It’s your one track mind that tells you that.

  28. toddott says:

    The Day of the Lord begings when the sun, moon and stars are darkened, according to Joel and Jesus. According to Jesus, this happens “after the tribulation of those days,” and according to John, this happens at the sixth seal. The fiest four seals are NOT to end, but are only “the beginnings of birthpains.” The labor of the Church begins at the fifth seal, with persecution after the Abomination that causes desolation.
    The seals span the entire Church Age and end with the Second Coming on the Day of Atonement. The trumpets span the Great Tribulation and end with the Second coming on the Day of Atonement. The Bowls of wrath span the Day of the Lord after the Great Tribulation, from the Feast of Trumpets to the Second Coming on the Day of Atonement.
    The Rapture occurs during the interlude between the sixth seal/trumpet and seventh seal/trumpet, on the Feast of Trumpets, and while we are in Heaven during the 10 “days of awe” the Bowls are poured out. Christ returns with His Bride to rescue Israel at Armageddon.
    The Bible says that those things that happened to Israel are type/examples and warnings for us on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.”
    Just as the two spies escorted Rahab from the destruction of Jericho AFTER the seventh trumpet within a seventh (the seven bowls of wrath contained within the seventh trumpet) so also the Two Witnessed will escort the Church out of Babylon as is it destroyed.
    Just as Lot was escorted by two angels out of the persection of the men of Sodom, through God’s wrath, so the Church will be escorted out of the persecution, through the wrath of God.
    Just as Israel remained in Egypt during the 10 plagues, so the Church will remain in Babylon during the seven trumpets. Just as Israel passed safely out of the Red Sea wrath of God that destroyed Pharaoh and his armies, so the Church will pass safetly out of the Bowls of wrath as they are poured out on the Antichrist and his followers. The same wrath that saves us (because it was poured out on Christ for us) will destroy unbelievers.
    The Seals are not God’s wrath, nor are that the Tribualtion. They are an overview of what is contained within the Scroll, which cannot be opened until all of the seals are removed. Nor are the trumpets the wrath of God, no matter what those hiding in the rocks believe. They are the judgements of God which are menat to bring repentance. They affect 1/3 of the earth, and during this time, repentance is still offered. However, when God’s patience comes to and end, His wrath will be poured out on the unrepentant. And His wrath will be complete, final and swift. And the Door to the Ark and the Wedding Feast will be closed forever.
    It is not the rapture that happens in the twinkling of an eye, but rather, the change of our bodies from mortal to immortal. Every eyes will see Christ coming on the clouds at the rapture. The New Age Antichrist may explain it as a removal of those who refuse to be part pf the paradigm shift, but God’s wrath will quickly follow.
    Dispensationalism is based on the false idea that God has two peoples. Not so. During the night Jacob wrestled with the Angel, and in admitting his sinfulness, that was was as his name implied, a deceiver, he overcame and was given the name Israel. During the Great Tribulation, Jacob will again wrestle with God, and a remnant who overcomes will be grafted back into the Olive Tree. And there is only ONE Olive Tree, made up of believing Jews and believing Gentiles. There is one faith, one baptism, one Lord over all who is in all. The saints and elect mentioned in Revelation ARE the Church, the Bride, the New Jerusalem.
    Just as Jesus fillfilled the Spring Feasts on the very days they were oringinally celebrated, so also the Day of the Lord will occur on the very same days as the Fall Feasts. The rapture will occur of the Feast of Trumpets and ten days later (not seven years) Christ will return woth His Bride to rule and reign over those left over from the nations that came against Jerusalem, and those who call themselves Jews but are not, will come and bow before us and admit that He loved us.
    There isn’t one verse that states that the rapture will happen seven years before the Second Coming. Not one.
    That John in Revelation 4 is a picture of the rapture? Not stated anywhere, but is an assumption.
    That the saints and elect are not the Church, even though that is the meaning throughout the rest of the New Testament? Another assumption. The saints that return with Christ clothed in white must not be the Church either. Strange that the Book of Revelation was written to the churches, and yet very little of it has anything to do with the Church.
    The Holy Spirit is the restrainer? Maybe, but not where is it stated that the Church is removed. In fact, the literal translation of the verse is, “that which withholds will continue to withhold until he is revealed in the midst.” There is absolutely no hint of anything or anyone being removed from the earth by a rapture.
    The rapture occuring before the apostay and the man of sin being revealed? Not according to a plain reading of the text.
    Matthew 24 only for Israel? Hmmm. How do you pick and choose whoch parts are for the Church and which aren’t?
    Enoch raptured before the flood is picture of a pretrib rapture? Hmmm. Interesting that before Enoch was rapture, there was a brother (a seed of the serpent) who murdered his brother (the seed of the woman) and received “mark,” and that before he was rapture there was also a man name Lamach that boasted and blasphemed God, concerning Cain’s sevenfold judgement. It seems the typology confirms that Enoch “the seventh from Adam” confirms that Enoch is rapture, after the persecution of God’s people and after the revelation of the Antichrist. Not to mention Elijah being raptured AFTER his dealings with Ahab (antichrist), Jezebel (Mystery Babylon) and the prophets of Baal (false prophet). Noah enters the Ark, but the wrath of God doesn’t fall for seven days. And those who are safe in Christ (the Ark) for those seven days, afterwards rise above the Floodwater (poured out from the seven bowls) at the same time that the rest are destroyed.
    Lot and his two daughters, the three in the fiery furnace, as well as Mary, Martha and Lazarus, are pictures of the dead in Christ, we who are alive and remain, and the remanant of Israel whom Christ returns to in order to raise from the dead after “two days.”

  29. toddott says:

    Tribulation does not equal wrath. They are two entirely different words. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Tribulation is the wrath of God.
    “Because you have guarded my word to persevere, I will keep you from the hour of temptation…” Where does it say the Church will be removed from this earth during this trial? The Church will be guarded in the same way that Israel was kept safe during the plagues.
    As for the Father obtaining the Bride….
    God was betrothed to Israel at Mount Sinai. He divorced His Bride because she was unfaithful, but He said that he would once again draw her back to Him with lovingkindness. He did this through the Cross. There is one Bride, made up of believing Israel and grafted in believing Gentiles. One Church and one Body. One New man out of the two. Jacob married two women, Leah and Rachel. Jesus will marry two women, believing Jew and believing Gentile. Together these two women make up one Bride, the New Jerusalem, with a foundation made of twelve Apostles and gates made of twelve tribes…ONE Bride. God does not have a spiritual Bride and a natural bride.

  30. toddott wrote:

    Where does it say the Church will be removed from this earth during this trial? The Church will be guarded in the same way that Israel was kept safe during the plagues.

    I think you should read your Bible more carefully.

    Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. (Rev 3:10)

    The word for “from” is ἐκ, ἐξ (ek ex) from which the English word “exit” comes from. It means that the saints will exit (be removed out of) the world to somewhere else and not, as you said, be gaurded in the same way that Israel was kept safe during the plagues. In fact, God does NOT promise that He is going to keep the saints safely in the tribulation. He says the very opposite.

    And it was given unto him (Antichrist) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Rev 13:7)

    Who are these saint? They are not the Jews and the Gentiles who come to the knowledge of salvation in the church age. They are Jews and Gentiles who are going to be saved during the tribulation.

    Precious few saints who are going to be saved during the tribulation are going to escape the guillotine of the Antichrist. Most of them are going to lose their heads. What kind of divine safekeeping is that? In fact, your view is a denial of Revelation 20:4.

    Jesus is not a polygamist who has two brides. He has one bride.

    For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (1 Co 12:13)

    Yes, you say that there is one bride but you cannot say He is married to two women. You are contradicting yourself. The one body is one bride and NOT two women.

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