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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2014 08:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/29/ihop-contemplative-prayer-taught-at-healing-rooms/#comment-288115&quot;&gt;ChristFirst&lt;/a&gt;.

ChristFirst

You are lucky I don&#039;t care what your worthless words have to say - the truth still stands.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/29/ihop-contemplative-prayer-taught-at-healing-rooms/#comment-288115" >ChristFirst</a>.</p>
<p>ChristFirst</p>
<p>You are lucky I don&#8217;t care what your worthless words have to say &#8211; the truth still stands.</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2014 07:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/29/ihop-contemplative-prayer-taught-at-healing-rooms/#comment-288115&quot;&gt;ChristFirst&lt;/a&gt;.

ChristFirst

And you are deceived.

If Christ was First in your life, you would have obeyed his command not to believe every spirit but to test them to see whether they are from God. (1 John 4:1).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/29/ihop-contemplative-prayer-taught-at-healing-rooms/#comment-288115" >ChristFirst</a>.</p>
<p>ChristFirst</p>
<p>And you are deceived.</p>
<p>If Christ was First in your life, you would have obeyed his command not to believe every spirit but to test them to see whether they are from God. (1 John 4:1).</p>
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		By: ChristFirst		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ChristFirst]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2014 06:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stand fast in the liberty which Christ has made you free and do not
Be loaded down with bondage - do not let your good be spoken of as 
Evil.
Every good and perfect gift comes from the Father of lights with
Whom there is no shadow of turning.
Have you begun in the Spirit you now want to be made perfect in the 
flesh? - this leaven does not come from God, 

We did not yield subjection to them for one hour.

Deborah - you are a judiazer - repent.
Here&#039;s a news flash - when you know God and Experience Him
you know longer are worried that He isn&#039;t doing a good enough 
job with His own church.
Remember the disciples who were upset that others were casting out
devils? JESUS SAID THOSE WHO ARE NOT AGAINST YOU ARE
FOR YOU. Leave them be.
Deborah - you are kicking against the goads.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stand fast in the liberty which Christ has made you free and do not<br />
Be loaded down with bondage &#8211; do not let your good be spoken of as<br />
Evil.<br />
Every good and perfect gift comes from the Father of lights with<br />
Whom there is no shadow of turning.<br />
Have you begun in the Spirit you now want to be made perfect in the<br />
flesh? &#8211; this leaven does not come from God, </p>
<p>We did not yield subjection to them for one hour.</p>
<p>Deborah &#8211; you are a judiazer &#8211; repent.<br />
Here&#8217;s a news flash &#8211; when you know God and Experience Him<br />
you know longer are worried that He isn&#8217;t doing a good enough<br />
job with His own church.<br />
Remember the disciples who were upset that others were casting out<br />
devils? JESUS SAID THOSE WHO ARE NOT AGAINST YOU ARE<br />
FOR YOU. Leave them be.<br />
Deborah &#8211; you are kicking against the goads.</p>
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		By: Thomas Lessing		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Lessing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 13:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob Ropiak wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I have tinnitus in both ears and major hearing loss. My ministry/business depends on my ability to hear well. Please prayer for my complete healing. I am believing God.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hi Bob

I too have tinnitus in one ear and the other seems be going the same route. I will pray for you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Ropiak wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have tinnitus in both ears and major hearing loss. My ministry/business depends on my ability to hear well. Please prayer for my complete healing. I am believing God.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hi Bob</p>
<p>I too have tinnitus in one ear and the other seems be going the same route. I will pray for you.</p>
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		By: Bob Ropiak		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Ropiak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 02:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have tinnitus in both ears and major hearing loss.  My ministry/business depends on my ability to hear well. Please prayer for my complete healing.  I am believing God.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tinnitus in both ears and major hearing loss.  My ministry/business depends on my ability to hear well. Please prayer for my complete healing.  I am believing God.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/29/ihop-contemplative-prayer-taught-at-healing-rooms/#comment-228771&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

Check this out... IHOP &lt;span class=&quot;removed_link&quot; title=&quot;http://bigstory.ap.org/article/man-says-prayer-group-leader-told-him-kill-wife&quot;&gt;MAN SAYS PRAYER GROUP LEADER TOLD HIM TO KILL WIFE&lt;/span&gt;

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — Less than three months after he stood as a groomsman in the wedding of two friends he had known since college in Texas, Micah Moore walked into a suburban Kansas City police department and unloaded a dark secret: He had taken the woman&#039;s life at the request of her new husband, a charismatic prayer group leader.

Police said Bethany Deaton&#039;s death initially appeared to be a suicide. Officers found a note and empty bottle of over-the-counter pain medication along with her body in a minivan parked by a lake on Oct. 30.

It wasn&#039;t until Moore confessed nearly two weeks later that police announced she had been killed. He is scheduled for a preliminary hearing on a first-degree murder charge Wednesday.

In the criminal complaint filed in support of the charge, police detailed a stunning series of allegations that Moore made as part of his confession.

Moore, 23, lived with Deaton and her husband, Tyler, in a communal home shared by male members of their prayer group. He told police that several members had sexually assaulted Bethany Deaton and that they were worried she would tell someone. Moore said that&#039;s when Tyler Deaton ordered him to kill Bethany Deaton, according to a criminal complaint.

Tyler Deaton has not been charged in his wife&#039;s death. Jackson County prosecutor Jean Peters Baker said Deaton was under investigation but declined to elaborate. Deaton does not have a listed phone number and did not respond to requests for comment The Associated Press made through Facebook and phone and email messages to his father.

Moore&#039;s attorney, Melanie Morgan, declined to comment.

Tyler and Bethany Deaton moved to Kansas City in 2009 from Texas to attend a six-month internship at the non-accredited International House of Prayer University. The two had met as freshmen at Southwestern University in Georgetown, Texas, in 2005, and two years later Tyler started a prayer group, a former longtime member of the group told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was afraid of retaliation from Tyler Deaton.

Tyler Deaton was listed at one point as a division coordinator for IHOPU&#039;s &quot;friendship groups,&quot; but the school said that was a mistake. It issued a statement distancing itself from Tyler Deaton after Moore, a student at IHOPU, was arrested.

&quot;Since Bethany&#039;s death it has come to light that over five years ago, both she and Mr. Moore joined an independent, close-knit, religious group in Georgetown, Texas,&quot; the school said in a statement. &quot;This religious group of fewer than 20 people was led by Tyler Deaton. They relocated to Kansas City over the last few years and operated under a veil of secrecy.&quot;

IHOPU is the educational arm of International House of Prayer of Kansas City, an evangelical Christian group focused on missions and preparation for the end of time.

The Deatons&#039; prayer group had at least two houses, with women living in one and men in another. Bethany Deaton, 27, moved into the men&#039;s house with Tyler Deaton after they married in August.

According to the criminal complaint, Moore told police that men in the house began drugging Bethany Deaton and sexually assaulting her soon after she moved in. He said she was seeing a therapist and group members became concerned she would tell the therapist about the assaults.

Moore and other men who lived in the house told police that several group members also were having sexual relations with Tyler Deaton, unbeknownst to his wife. One man, whose name was blacked out of the criminal complaint, told police that Tyler Deaton said after Bethany Deaton died that he had had a dream he killed his wife by suffocating her.

Moore told detectives Tyler Deaton instructed him to kill Bethany Deaton because he knew Moore had it in him to do it, and that Moore reported back to Tyler Deaton after she was dead. Moore told police that he had placed a bag over Bethany Deaton&#039;s head and held it there until her body shook.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/29/ihop-contemplative-prayer-taught-at-healing-rooms/#comment-228771" >John</a>.</p>
<p>Check this out&#8230; IHOP <span class="removed_link" title="http://bigstory.ap.org/article/man-says-prayer-group-leader-told-him-kill-wife">MAN SAYS PRAYER GROUP LEADER TOLD HIM TO KILL WIFE</span></p>
<p>KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — Less than three months after he stood as a groomsman in the wedding of two friends he had known since college in Texas, Micah Moore walked into a suburban Kansas City police department and unloaded a dark secret: He had taken the woman&#8217;s life at the request of her new husband, a charismatic prayer group leader.</p>
<p>Police said Bethany Deaton&#8217;s death initially appeared to be a suicide. Officers found a note and empty bottle of over-the-counter pain medication along with her body in a minivan parked by a lake on Oct. 30.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until Moore confessed nearly two weeks later that police announced she had been killed. He is scheduled for a preliminary hearing on a first-degree murder charge Wednesday.</p>
<p>In the criminal complaint filed in support of the charge, police detailed a stunning series of allegations that Moore made as part of his confession.</p>
<p>Moore, 23, lived with Deaton and her husband, Tyler, in a communal home shared by male members of their prayer group. He told police that several members had sexually assaulted Bethany Deaton and that they were worried she would tell someone. Moore said that&#8217;s when Tyler Deaton ordered him to kill Bethany Deaton, according to a criminal complaint.</p>
<p>Tyler Deaton has not been charged in his wife&#8217;s death. Jackson County prosecutor Jean Peters Baker said Deaton was under investigation but declined to elaborate. Deaton does not have a listed phone number and did not respond to requests for comment The Associated Press made through Facebook and phone and email messages to his father.</p>
<p>Moore&#8217;s attorney, Melanie Morgan, declined to comment.</p>
<p>Tyler and Bethany Deaton moved to Kansas City in 2009 from Texas to attend a six-month internship at the non-accredited International House of Prayer University. The two had met as freshmen at Southwestern University in Georgetown, Texas, in 2005, and two years later Tyler started a prayer group, a former longtime member of the group told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was afraid of retaliation from Tyler Deaton.</p>
<p>Tyler Deaton was listed at one point as a division coordinator for IHOPU&#8217;s &#8220;friendship groups,&#8221; but the school said that was a mistake. It issued a statement distancing itself from Tyler Deaton after Moore, a student at IHOPU, was arrested.</p>
<p>&#8220;Since Bethany&#8217;s death it has come to light that over five years ago, both she and Mr. Moore joined an independent, close-knit, religious group in Georgetown, Texas,&#8221; the school said in a statement. &#8220;This religious group of fewer than 20 people was led by Tyler Deaton. They relocated to Kansas City over the last few years and operated under a veil of secrecy.&#8221;</p>
<p>IHOPU is the educational arm of International House of Prayer of Kansas City, an evangelical Christian group focused on missions and preparation for the end of time.</p>
<p>The Deatons&#8217; prayer group had at least two houses, with women living in one and men in another. Bethany Deaton, 27, moved into the men&#8217;s house with Tyler Deaton after they married in August.</p>
<p>According to the criminal complaint, Moore told police that men in the house began drugging Bethany Deaton and sexually assaulting her soon after she moved in. He said she was seeing a therapist and group members became concerned she would tell the therapist about the assaults.</p>
<p>Moore and other men who lived in the house told police that several group members also were having sexual relations with Tyler Deaton, unbeknownst to his wife. One man, whose name was blacked out of the criminal complaint, told police that Tyler Deaton said after Bethany Deaton died that he had had a dream he killed his wife by suffocating her.</p>
<p>Moore told detectives Tyler Deaton instructed him to kill Bethany Deaton because he knew Moore had it in him to do it, and that Moore reported back to Tyler Deaton after she was dead. Moore told police that he had placed a bag over Bethany Deaton&#8217;s head and held it there until her body shook.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ &lt;a href=&quot;#comment_123423&quot; title=&quot;Go to comment of this author&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Deborah (Discerning the World)&lt;/a&gt;:

Hi, contemplative prayer is foundational--FOUNDATIONAL--to IHOP. At the end of this blog are other articles documenting the reliance and enthusiasm IHOP leader Mike Bickle has for contemplative prayer.

John

http://mywordlikefire.com/2012/11/28/contemplative-prayer-officially-one-of-ihop-kcs-core-values/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ <a href="#comment_123423" title="Go to comment of this author" rel="nofollow">Deborah (Discerning the World)</a>:</p>
<p>Hi, contemplative prayer is foundational&#8211;FOUNDATIONAL&#8211;to IHOP. At the end of this blog are other articles documenting the reliance and enthusiasm IHOP leader Mike Bickle has for contemplative prayer.</p>
<p>John</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://mywordlikefire.com/2012/11/28/contemplative-prayer-officially-one-of-ihop-kcs-core-values/"  rel="nofollow ugc">http://mywordlikefire.com/2012/11/28/contemplative-prayer-officially-one-of-ihop-kcs-core-values/</a></p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 06:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting that we try to wrap our minds around the mystery Paul talks about - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three in one. We can&#039;t understand this with our puny human minds. The Holy Spirit is a Person. We can talk to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are three in one. I&#039;m so thankful for the Spirit of Christ who dwells in me. He lives IN me! I can commune with Him ALL the time. Using is inerrant word guarantees that I&#039;m praying His will and not mine. Again, I&#039;m so thankful. I&#039;m sad how people hate their own brothers and sisters (guess who we&#039;ll be worshiping God for eternity with) to the point of posting these unloving statements. I agree with Dakota - the western church is the only region of the body that doesn&#039;t get the role of the Holy Spirit. Let&#039;s not grieve the Holy Spirit - if He can be grieved, than He must have emotions - because He&#039;s a Person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that we try to wrap our minds around the mystery Paul talks about &#8211; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three in one. We can&#8217;t understand this with our puny human minds. The Holy Spirit is a Person. We can talk to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are three in one. I&#8217;m so thankful for the Spirit of Christ who dwells in me. He lives IN me! I can commune with Him ALL the time. Using is inerrant word guarantees that I&#8217;m praying His will and not mine. Again, I&#8217;m so thankful. I&#8217;m sad how people hate their own brothers and sisters (guess who we&#8217;ll be worshiping God for eternity with) to the point of posting these unloving statements. I agree with Dakota &#8211; the western church is the only region of the body that doesn&#8217;t get the role of the Holy Spirit. Let&#8217;s not grieve the Holy Spirit &#8211; if He can be grieved, than He must have emotions &#8211; because He&#8217;s a Person.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dakota]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 22:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You guys are all missing the point.  Christianity is not about arguing over small issues within the faith.  It isn&#039;t about being prideful over the things we believe.  It is about glorifying our Creator God, and spreading His gospel to the ends of the earth.  I am only 17 years old, and I&#039;ve seen enough of believers arguing on other believer&#039;s faiths on this one page to make me sick.  You&#039;re all missing the point; love Jesus!  Just do it! Forget about doctrine or theology issues, forget about so called &#039;occult&#039; practices at IHOP-KC.  Yes, for the record, I do believe that the Holy Spirit&#039;s gifts are active in the Church today, but I know for people who can&#039;t get past the idea of manifestations of the Spirit being real, it will never be real!  Do you believe God can do miracles?  Then let Him.  My God is not a God in a box.  He is all powerful, and because of His son I have a personal relationship not only with Him, but with His son and His Spirit.  IHOP-KC does not have the intention of being a cult, nor do I think they are.  They are a body of Christ worshiping their Father and finding joy in the gifts that He gives them.  Take a second to look at the faiths of Christians who live in less &#039;fortunate&#039; countries like Africa, and you will see a faith that is a lot more like IHOP&#039;s than your own.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are all missing the point.  Christianity is not about arguing over small issues within the faith.  It isn&#8217;t about being prideful over the things we believe.  It is about glorifying our Creator God, and spreading His gospel to the ends of the earth.  I am only 17 years old, and I&#8217;ve seen enough of believers arguing on other believer&#8217;s faiths on this one page to make me sick.  You&#8217;re all missing the point; love Jesus!  Just do it! Forget about doctrine or theology issues, forget about so called &#8216;occult&#8217; practices at IHOP-KC.  Yes, for the record, I do believe that the Holy Spirit&#8217;s gifts are active in the Church today, but I know for people who can&#8217;t get past the idea of manifestations of the Spirit being real, it will never be real!  Do you believe God can do miracles?  Then let Him.  My God is not a God in a box.  He is all powerful, and because of His son I have a personal relationship not only with Him, but with His son and His Spirit.  IHOP-KC does not have the intention of being a cult, nor do I think they are.  They are a body of Christ worshiping their Father and finding joy in the gifts that He gives them.  Take a second to look at the faiths of Christians who live in less &#8216;fortunate&#8217; countries like Africa, and you will see a faith that is a lot more like IHOP&#8217;s than your own.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 06:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/29/ihop-contemplative-prayer-taught-at-healing-rooms/#comment-122927&quot;&gt;Annunk&lt;/a&gt;.

Annunk

Who are you talking too?  Are there two Deborah&#039;s here of what?  I must be missing something.

I am completely against contemplative prayer.  Asking someone to find scripture to repeat the Lord&#039;s Prayer was not because I support contemplative prayer, but because I wanted them to find scripture to prove their point about repetition and I know they could not.

Anyhow, thanks for this great info on Beth Moore and how involved she is in Contemplative Prayer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/29/ihop-contemplative-prayer-taught-at-healing-rooms/#comment-122927" >Annunk</a>.</p>
<p>Annunk</p>
<p>Who are you talking too?  Are there two Deborah&#8217;s here of what?  I must be missing something.</p>
<p>I am completely against contemplative prayer.  Asking someone to find scripture to repeat the Lord&#8217;s Prayer was not because I support contemplative prayer, but because I wanted them to find scripture to prove their point about repetition and I know they could not.</p>
<p>Anyhow, thanks for this great info on Beth Moore and how involved she is in Contemplative Prayer.</p>
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