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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-297911</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2014 10:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-297269&quot;&gt;John Andrews UK/Ireland&lt;/a&gt;.

John Andrews

I am not interesting in the bank itself, I am interested to know if they are going ahead with their &#039;ungodly&#039; plans so that I can write about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-297269" >John Andrews UK/Ireland</a>.</p>
<p>John Andrews</p>
<p>I am not interesting in the bank itself, I am interested to know if they are going ahead with their &#8216;ungodly&#8217; plans so that I can write about it.</p>
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		By: John Andrews UK/Ireland		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2014 14:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Wendy
I have no idea, I emailed someone last year and never got a reply.
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I am confused. Following the articles and postings on this site I would have thought that any initiative that has Angus Buchan listed as a major player would be avoided. I know that you suggested to Pieter to ask Angus Buchan way back in February 2010 concerning this &quot;Christian Bank&quot;. Would you not be at odds with Dennis Kotze&#039;s article stating that revival is actually happening via Angus Buchan a false teacher/prophet and other crusades? One of the &quot;Fables of Angus&quot; is that at one of  his MM events a certain Peter Hull said that they had collected 36 baskets of left over food after 3 days - and Angus is on YouTube saying that the miracle of the loaves and fish had been repeated 3 times in 3 days! The problem is they had a lot of food organized to start with, so no food was multiplied miraculously! How can unity exist between light and darkness? (Dennis Kotze&#039;s plea for unity). Would such a bank be Anti-Christ? I also see that The Vessel/Erdekruik has Joyce Meyer and Kobus van Rensburg followers?

I know you might not have thought this through and also intend to connect the dots. Would like your present view on this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Wendy<br />
I have no idea, I emailed someone last year and never got a reply.
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<p>I am confused. Following the articles and postings on this site I would have thought that any initiative that has Angus Buchan listed as a major player would be avoided. I know that you suggested to Pieter to ask Angus Buchan way back in February 2010 concerning this &#8220;Christian Bank&#8221;. Would you not be at odds with Dennis Kotze&#8217;s article stating that revival is actually happening via Angus Buchan a false teacher/prophet and other crusades? One of the &#8220;Fables of Angus&#8221; is that at one of  his MM events a certain Peter Hull said that they had collected 36 baskets of left over food after 3 days &#8211; and Angus is on YouTube saying that the miracle of the loaves and fish had been repeated 3 times in 3 days! The problem is they had a lot of food organized to start with, so no food was multiplied miraculously! How can unity exist between light and darkness? (Dennis Kotze&#8217;s plea for unity). Would such a bank be Anti-Christ? I also see that The Vessel/Erdekruik has Joyce Meyer and Kobus van Rensburg followers?</p>
<p>I know you might not have thought this through and also intend to connect the dots. Would like your present view on this.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-297185</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2014 10:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-288513&quot;&gt;wendy gray&lt;/a&gt;.

Wendy

I have no idea, I emailed someone last year and never got a reply.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-288513" >wendy gray</a>.</p>
<p>Wendy</p>
<p>I have no idea, I emailed someone last year and never got a reply.</p>
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		By: wendy gray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wendy gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2014 10:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am still very interested to know whether this initiative has been launched.  Please advise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still very interested to know whether this initiative has been launched.  Please advise.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-4250</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-4249&quot;&gt;Pieter Meyer&lt;/a&gt;.

Pieter

Ask Angus Buchan.  Or email Ederkruik/The Vessel website.  Or maybe this is a Gragam Power inituative.  But somehow I think Chuck Missler has beat Manna bank to the finish line with SWANbank.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-4249" >Pieter Meyer</a>.</p>
<p>Pieter</p>
<p>Ask Angus Buchan.  Or email Ederkruik/The Vessel website.  Or maybe this is a Gragam Power inituative.  But somehow I think Chuck Missler has beat Manna bank to the finish line with SWANbank.</p>
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		By: Pieter Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pieter Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does Manna Bank have a website?  A project that sounds so serious should at least have a little bit of PR behind it to get off the ground.......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Manna Bank have a website?  A project that sounds so serious should at least have a little bit of PR behind it to get off the ground&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Eddy Carter-Smith		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-2248</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy Carter-Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[impossible! why? &quot;GREED&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>impossible! why? &#8220;GREED&#8221;</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-2245</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-2243&quot;&gt;Michael Anthony&lt;/a&gt;.

Michael

That is exactly what I thought when I saw this article back last year. 

We invest our assets with them and &lt;strong&gt;GOD &lt;/strong&gt;would regulate it.  I can&#039;t believeeeeeee you missed that one ;)  After all if you read at the bottom of the article. The principles of the first 5 books of the OT of the Bible are the same as the Koran.  Same God? perhaps?

Lastly, who are these core believers, I would love to know.  Who&#039;s got that much &lt;em&gt;gold and silver &lt;/em&gt;to start this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/25/christian-bank-is-coming-to-south-africa/#comment-2243" >Michael Anthony</a>.</p>
<p>Michael</p>
<p>That is exactly what I thought when I saw this article back last year. </p>
<p>We invest our assets with them and <strong>GOD </strong>would regulate it.  I can&#8217;t believeeeeeee you missed that one 😉  After all if you read at the bottom of the article. The principles of the first 5 books of the OT of the Bible are the same as the Koran.  Same God? perhaps?</p>
<p>Lastly, who are these core believers, I would love to know.  Who&#8217;s got that much <em>gold and silver </em>to start this.</p>
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		By: Michael Anthony		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This would not necessarily work because the banking system is a closed loop and regulated by a central bank, none of it asset based or underpinned by commodities (fractional reserves are today whatever the central bank decides). It would have to be an altogether independant bank, but who would regulate it? Problem. 

Banks create money from thin air - when you take out a loan the bank creates the money in a computer, the central bank qualifies this as real money beacuse it will be paid back. Where does interest come from? From debt, actually from nowhere, it accumulates in the banking system - it is a monster that keeps growing, growing - till eventually interest amount supercedes actual money. Result - system crashes. (Unless the &#039;interest&#039; money is recycled back into the system)

What is interesting is that many people are calling for an alternative to FIAT currency, one interesting idea is of a &#039;digital dollar&#039;. It exists only in the computer system and can only be in one place at the same time in the world based on some algorithm or code. It is basically a cashless system that could resolve the monetary crisis we have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would not necessarily work because the banking system is a closed loop and regulated by a central bank, none of it asset based or underpinned by commodities (fractional reserves are today whatever the central bank decides). It would have to be an altogether independant bank, but who would regulate it? Problem. </p>
<p>Banks create money from thin air &#8211; when you take out a loan the bank creates the money in a computer, the central bank qualifies this as real money beacuse it will be paid back. Where does interest come from? From debt, actually from nowhere, it accumulates in the banking system &#8211; it is a monster that keeps growing, growing &#8211; till eventually interest amount supercedes actual money. Result &#8211; system crashes. (Unless the &#8216;interest&#8217; money is recycled back into the system)</p>
<p>What is interesting is that many people are calling for an alternative to FIAT currency, one interesting idea is of a &#8216;digital dollar&#8217;. It exists only in the computer system and can only be in one place at the same time in the world based on some algorithm or code. It is basically a cashless system that could resolve the monetary crisis we have.</p>
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