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Reinhard Bonnke and Daniel Kolenda – 3yr old Boy Raised from the Dead

Reinhard Bonnke and Daniel Kolenda - 3yr old Boy Raised from the Dead

Reinhard Bonnke - SapeleCrusade 3 YEAR OLD BOY RAISED FROM THE DEAD 

Reinhard Bonnke Twitter comment:   Our Sapele Crusade has just ended. On the last night a 3 year old boy was raised from the dead. We serve a mighty God.   http://bit.ly/4pbuYU  — http://twitter.com/ReinhardBonnke/status/6709750192  12:21 AM Dec 16th 2009.

Ah don’t you just love it when these things happen in Africa.  I especially love it because it’s completely unverifiable.  This is not the first time Reinhard Bonnke had a ‘raised from the dead’ in Africa.   But let’s first look at this story:    [DTW comments in green below]   

Evangelist Daniel Kolenda: 3-Year-Old Boy Raised From the Dead!

“I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: ” ~ Jesus Christ (Jn 11:25)

People have been asking for more details about the 3-year-old boy that was raised from the dead last week in Sapele, Nigeria. It is a truly extraordinary story and worth some elaboration.

Last Saturday night (December 12) a woman came to the meeting with a 3-year-old son that was very ill. During the service she said that he actually passed away. I was still on the platform ministering when she brought him behind the platform. She was holding his lifeless body and weeping when the ushers found her. They confirmed that he was indeed dead and told her that all the crying in the world wouldn’t bring him back to life.  [That’s a nice thing to say to a mother who has just lost her child]  They said, “Take him to the medical tent.”  “No,” she told them, “I want to bring him to the man of God.” Security allowed her to wait there until the service was over.  [Got to wait till the service is over, can’t disrupt the schedule for a 3 year old boy who died during your service.]

As I was walking down off the platform, surrounded by ushers, there were people all around wanting prayer as usual. But this woman, holding a child caught my eye.[Surely someone would have by now told you about the dead 3 year old? ]  I stepped to the side and said, “What’s wrong with him?”  [How odd that you spotted this child, but had to ask ‘what’s wrong with him?’  Surely you could see the child was dead? or did he just look limp, like maybe he was not dead.]  They told me in broken pigeon English, “The child is not well.” [Why would they tell you the child is not well, when the ushers that were there previously confirmed the child was dead, surely one of the ushers would have stayed by this woman?]   They dropped his limp body in my arms, and I prayed for about thirty seconds before handing him back to the mother. [And after holding the child in your arms you still did not notice the child was supposed to be dead?]

Before service started on the following night (Sunday), John Darku, our African crusade director told me that there was a woman there with an incredible testimony. Rev. Peter Vandenburg and I went down to speak with her. I was amazed to find that it was the woman from the night before. She had brought her son, and he was perfectly well. They told us that the child had come back to life almost immediately after prayer.  OK here we go, if he came to life almost immediately after prayer why did no one notice?  Why did she not immediately turn around and tell someone?  Why was there such a lack of compassion from the pastor that he just left immediately after giving the ‘limp’ or dead baby back to his mother?]

My message that night was from Romans 8:2, but before I preached it I brought this woman and her son onto the platform along with a witness to give the testimony. The crowd of more than 200,000 people exploded with rejoicing when they heard about the miracle. It was Romans 8:2 in action – “The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, hath made me free from the law of sin and of death.”

[Yes and I am sure you raked in tons of cash after that one.  This entire story is nothing but a bunch of lies.  I am sure there was a woman with a very ill child, but he did not die and certainly was not raised from the dead.

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77 comments to Reinhard Bonnke and Daniel Kolenda – 3yr old Boy Raised from the Dead

  • Michele

    Let God arise and His enemies be scattered. Glory to God!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Michele

    What do you mean? Who are you addressing?

  • Michael Anthony

    It is the first verse of Psalm 68, an amazing Psalm of God’s defense of his people. It has nothing, zero, zilch to do with raising the dead, but then again what did we expect?

    Have a look at this:

    Let me quote from that article.

    1. The healing by Jesus, Peter and Paul was immediate and obvious. The “healing” shown on the video (you will have to go to that link) took at least one half hour of jumping up and down, shouting, babbling in pseudo-tongues, and a whole lot of carrying on. Peter didn’t pray. He didn’t tell the man he had to have faith. He didn’t tell the crowd going into the temple to point to the man. And he didn’t hold his hand on the man. Yet the man was completely healed. Jesus did it so those around Him would know he had the power to forgive sin.

    2. AFTER the healings, the people praised God. The people came to Peter and John for an explanation and the two of them were able to present the Gospel of Jesus Christ. A video of the healings didn’t go viral, the temple didn’t increase its membership, and Paul didn’t get promoted to bishop with a bunch of other churches under him.

    3. While a crowd may have been around, the miracle itself was not the focus of the crowd. The results were the focus and the results provided an opportunity for the Apostles to tell the crowd about Jesus Christ, right then and right there.

  • Joe Bowles

    I am extremely saddened by this. I have studied in Bible college and obtained my credentials. I am sad at the utter lack of faith in this website. Didn’t Jesus say we will do what He did and even greater things? So how can you put yourselves in the Judgement Seat, and “judge” this as wrong when Christ even said we would do this? I wonder if Jesus is not sitting at the right hand of the Father and saying “Oh ye of little faith…”

  • Michael Anthony

    Joe,

    Maybe you should ask the bible college for a refund.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Joe

    >> Didn’t Jesus say we will do what He did and even greater things?

    Jesus said you would do greater things with regards to spreading the message NOT greater miracles than Jesus. I love it when people use this verse to lift themselves up higher than Jesus Christ.

  • karen

    i dont like this website and don’t think i’m coming back, you writing makes me sad. this raising from the dead is pure bible. something to be celebrated – the goodness of God, and they way he is so close, powerful and loving.

    i’m not going to argue, or offer scriptures, its all in the bible. all plain. praying you find that first firey faith in the wild almighty god who moves, saves and lives!

    love

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    karen

    Can you prove Reinhard Bonnke raised this boy from the dead? Do you have inside info that he is not lying like the last time he raised someone from the dead too and it was proved without a doubt to be false because the ‘zombie’ came forward and confessed.

    Praying you seek the truth before you come and judge me.

  • Ola

    Jesus left sick Lazarus to die even when they pleaded with Him to come heal Lazarus. He didn’t break schedule.He raised him at his own convenience. e still does that today. Why does it seem so bad to you that the child was raised after the service? Try to understand God by studying results. On the other hand, I know better. Like me before I was saved, skeptics are simply blinded. God will open your eyes in Jesus’ name.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Ola

    Then please show us the results of this boy being raised from the dead???????? Reinhard Bonnke IS A LIAR. Stop believing everything you are told is true. No one is questioning that Jesus raised people from the dead.

    But Reinhard Bonnke is lying and you are blinded into thinking he is telling you the truth. You have been taken for a fool Ola. Reinard Bonnke laughs at you all the way to the bank. Stop being so gullable.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thomas, I deleted your comment by accident. I dunno what’s going on with me *bangs head on desk* lol. If you can remember what you said, please re-comment.

  • louise

    Debs, I must agree with you on the Reinhard Bonnke story. I have never followed his teachings and battle with him. When a person gives me the “Grills” I run.
    I have recently been reading on some negative matters regarding Angus Buchan.Not from this site. For some time now I simply cannot understand “The Mighty Men Movement”. Why would God separate the men from the woman. This is not the GOD I know. I have spoken out about my feelings which never go down well amongst believers. I am unsure of him and I shall listen to that quiet voice in my spirit.

  • louise

    lOL listen I must tell you I am self employed and I had to ask GOD to supply all my needs according to his riches as all I do is bury myself in his word. I am not unwise, I shall soon go back into the world and work.

  • Dan Chen

    FAO: – Critisizers – You know what? You really should get a life, if you have an issue and you half the nerve that you should have then go to Bonke in the meeting and ask him this directly instead of being a woosey and hiding behind a lame forum and arguing with people who do believe the word and the whole word. Get real! Get Saved. Finally, may the Lord show you His light, of and BTW i would advise don’t try and tempt God, you might not like it.

  • Elmarie A

    Dan Chen
    This blog is not hidden in any way.

    Nooo Bonke is a no no and I would stay away from him if I where you. Run and Run from people like him.

    No one and I repeat no one is able to raise anyone from the dead but God alone at his will alone, and no man can set the time and place like Reinhard Bonnke claims that is just so so demonic!!

  • Robbie

    Dan, Karen and Ola,

    Everybody here at DTW has copied and pasted the same verses – SCRIPTURE – over and over again.

    Those who claim Jesus Christ will appear physically are speaking empty words.
    Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.

    ‘An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign’, (Matt.12:38)

    Matt. 24:23-27 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect— if that were possible.

    I pray the truth catches your eyes, anchors in your hearts and that you start discerning and reading Gods’ Word yourselves.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dan Chen

    Will you pay for our air fair? We would like to fly first class too please. Rehinard Bonnke has been in ministry long enough to have had MANY people speak to him in person. Btw, do you have proof he raised this boy from the dead? I bet you don’t.

  • Johnson

    Those who argue against the truth are liers. SImply agents of darkness, Elmarie, Louise, Deborah and many others hiding and addressing men of God. Judgement day is coming we shall know who is greater. Reinhard is proven and fearless preacher of the Gospel of Truth. His results are based on faith in Christ. I have attended 3 of Bonnke’s Crusades. They are un-doubtfully backed up by the power of God. Let me join Joe to say let God arise and let His enemies be scattered.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Johnson

    >> Reinhard is proven and fearless preacher of the Gospel of Truth. His results are based on faith in Christ.

    Oh really Can you supply some proof of a genuine situation where a person was raised from the dead? I can supply proof where Reinhard was BUST outright about lying about someone who he claimed he raised from the dead, who never died to begin with.

    Let’s have a race shall we to see who comes up with the proof for both sides of the story first. But you know what Johnson, I am such a nice person I am going to give you a head start. Take your time… don’t rush ok. I don’t want to put any pressure on you. You have 6 months to supply us with 100% verifiable medial proof of someone raised from dead. And seeing that you can vouch for Reinhard, I am sure you will have no trouble at all showing the whole world the solid proof of such great miracles.

  • Elmarie A

    Johnson

    They are un-doubtfully backed up by the power of God

    Nope that can only be power from Satan. Please read the complete articles at links provided and think again about what you are saying.

    Proof for you that Bonke is well known for his heresies all over the world.

    The Rich mans prayer is answered!

    Reinhard Bonnke raises the dead.

    Can God raise the dead? Yes of course He can. However the question we need to ask is, did He on this occasion? I’m talking about the newest sensational story coming from Reinhard Bonnke who was a guest on Benny Hinn’s program on Feb.28 2002 (and Kenneth Copeland’s program through the week of Aug.19, 2002). On Hinn’s program he showed a video produced by Cfan (Bonnkes minsitry- Christ for all nations) and gave testimony to a man being raised from the dead at a church he was preaching at in Nigeria Africa. This video is now making the rounds everywhere as a fulfillment of many peoples prophecies of the great miracles that are supposed to occur in our time. Stories are supposedly pouring in from around the globe of thousands being saved. This is becoming a big story, but is it a fish story that keeps on growing as it’s told. I’ll let you decide.

    Before I look at what was said on this program, we need to go back a few years. It appears that there have been many people dying at Reinhard Bonnke’s crusade not once but numerous times. Not one person was raised from the dead. These are only a few incidents cited.

    Benny Hinn’s program of Feb.28, 2002

    On Hinn’s program with his guest Rienhard Bonnke, Hinn began by holding up Impact magazine with the headlines of one of Africas newspapers “Bonnke raises man from death in Initsha” (Impact is the publication of Reinhard Bonnke). Hinn says to Bonkke, “we’ve been talking about it, its happening,” as if this is the beginning of what they have been promising, a time of miracles.

    The story is that Bonnke went to a friend’s church to open a new church building (Kingdom life world evangelism) attended by 12,000 people. He was preaching unaware that a hearse with a corpse in a coffin came in downstairs. After he prayed upstairs the dead man downstairs suddenly came to life.

    Bonnke stated to Hinn “The wife of that dead man said God gave her a scripture (in the book of Hebrews [11:35]) that woman receive their dead back again by faith and she would not allow her husband to be buried because she believes that where Reinhard Bonnke preaches the anointing is so powerful that the rising from the dead would be possible, now I’m quoting her.”

    She speaks of bringing her dead husband to Bonnke to be raised, but if it was God who raised the dead he would not need to be brought to him. She talks about her dead husband being brought to Bonnke because he would be around a great anointing. What about all these others who have died being around this anointing at his crusades? Why were they not raised?

    As Bonnke said to Hinn “with all the details I don’t have time to mention.” Well a story is in the details, and we will look at them carfully.
    http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac13.htm

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    And many more to read about the falseness for Rienhard Bonke
    here : http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/rbonnke.html

    (18) Reinhard Bonnke – Unbiblical Teachings And Actions by Sandy Simpson, DITC, 10/02
    This article consists of quotes from a number of different sources. These quotes and accounts are offered as proof the Reinhard Bonnke has been teaching heresy and promoting a false transferable anointing for many years. He is an ecumenist, teaches prosperity doctrines, says every Christian must speak in tongues as a sign of the “baptism” of the Spirit, claims that faith is a force, and preaches a gospel devoid of the power to save. He has also lied about healings and dead raising.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Johnson

    I am sorry I forgot to tell you that although we gave you 6 months to come up with proof that Bonke really is a godly man, we did managed to find proof he is as false as a Mona Lisa painting from China. We do however ask that you keep looking for the proof to prove that he did in fact raise someone/anyone from the dead.

  • grace2luv

    I would say the burden of proof lies with you. Can you prove that a child was not raised from the dead? Just because you choose to not believe it does not mean it didn’t happen. How many people have you brought to salvation? What is the purpose of your blog? To attack Christians?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    grace2luv

    hahahaha, that was a funny comment. Anyhow…

    Do you like to brag about your achievements? Well I don’t because I do not save people, nor do I bring anyone to salvation. And thanks for attacking me – you should change your name to ‘doublestandards’

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    grace’doublestandards’4luv

    Just to reiterate. Bonnke has been exposed before for lying – if you READ my article properly you will see that the dead person he raised a few years ago came forward and confessed.

  • Elmarie A

    grace2luv

    And many more to read about the falseness for Rienhard Bonke
    here : http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/rbonnke.html

    (18) Reinhard Bonnke – Unbiblical Teachings And Actions by Sandy Simpson, DITC, 10/02
    This article consists of quotes from a number of different sources. These quotes and accounts are offered as proof the Reinhard Bonnke has been teaching heresy and promoting a false transferable anointing for many years. He is an ecumenist, teaches prosperity doctrines, says every Christian must speak in tongues as a sign of the “baptism” of the Spirit, claims that faith is a force, and preaches a gospel devoid of the power to save. He has also lied about healings and dead raising.

  • blessing

    who are you Debora and what do you really beleive? you sound like an etiest who has taken her time to study the bible so as to critisise men and women of God. Any true christian who knows the word of God can see through your deceptions.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    blessings

    First. You should change your nickname to curses.

    Second. What is an etiest?

  • Felipe

    seems like some people reading this blog get a sudden case of blindness to certain lines or words…. or comments…

  • mellon

    “Just to reiterate. Bonnke has been exposed before for lying – if you READ my article properly you will see that the dead person he raised a few years ago came forward and confessed.”

    Can you provide me links please and any video footage if possible. I would like to investigate this myself. Thank-you.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    mellon

    The link is THERE.

  • samuel1953

    Hi Debs. Trying again. Grace2luv does not understand the rule applicable to proving things/allegations, which are also applied in court. If I claim so and so happened, then I must bring evidence to prove that so and so actually happened. I cannot say, so and so happened, now you prove to me that it didn’t happen as I say… Simple rule of the law of evidence.Regards John

  • Johan

    I am Afrikaans speaking and can’t express myself well. I am in a Reformed Church in South Africa.

    From which country and city you operates.

    What is your church dominiation?.

    Over the years a read a lot of articles about false Prophets.I Know there is a other spirit / power working in the world the fase propets christians churches / hindus / Indians / Africans . This spririt counter faith the work of the Holy Spirit.

    But on the out reach of the cruses of these false profets PEOPLE RECEIVING A OTHER JESUS A OTHER SPIRIT . Some of these people hear the word for the firts time. The first time they hear of Jesus. Inocent people got mislead in the name of Jesus.Why would God alloawed it the people be misslead. IN ACTS GOD said those who beleived in my name shall be safes. In the Bilble theres a lot of verses qouted that one shall believe / received Jesus. This is not fear to inocent people hearing the word for the firts time. Why did God allowedn it. This is not fair.
    But I know that I can’t Question God. May be he had mercy on them if they realy beleived in Him they will got safe.

    There is a lot DECENMENT/DECEPTION /MISLEADING IN THE WORLD SOME TIMES COFUSING ME.

    One qeustion this Tellevision ministries/ profets / healers and God TV.hOW CAN IT BE THAT SOME ONE IS HEALED IN HIS TV ROOM. HOWS IT IS WORKING.SOME TIME 1000 MILES FROM THAT PREACHER.

  • mellon

    Sorry I cant find it

  • Robbie

    Hi Johan.
    Jy kan maar afrikaans praat ook. Ek dink Deborah het ‘n goeie vertaler…:-)

    Ons lewe in die eindtyd Johan. Die tyd waarin Jesus onsself sal leer juis omdat die misleiding so groot is.
    Vat dit stadig en begin op ‘n punt. Hier is baie goeie informasie hier en jy kan maar met die skrif vergelyk.

    Lees en bly veral Heilige Gees geinspireerd en die lig sal wel aankom.

  • Chris

    [delete by DTW] ‘judge not’ so you can judge me – typical Word of Faith cult follower.

  • Danwilson

    [deleted – Dan you are not speaking to Reinhard Bonnke – Go read your bible!]

  • leah

    Why is it that when a miracle is performed, the christian skeptics are quick to give credit to a darker power? You doubters remind me of the Pharisees. You have no faith so you actually “hate” on people who have faith and are doing the right thing. May God deliver you from your disbelief.

    John 14:12
    “I can guarantee this truth: Those who believe in me will do the things that I am doing. They will do even greater things because I am going to the Father.”

    These include raising the dead, healing the sick, feeding the hungry and spreading the word of God.

  • Tim

    I am disgusted at the lack of faith and the overwhelming unbelief that you show in this posting. Is discernment another word for unbelief? In this case it seems so. My father inlaw has prayed for five people who have been raised from the dead. How are the dead raised and by whom? It is the same way that Peter raised Dorcas, through faith in the power of God exercised by Peter in his command and the Name of Jesus. If you don’t have miracles happening in your life, then you are not close enough to God and are an infant in faith. If Peter and the disciples performed miracles in the name of Jesus and in the power of his name, then so can we. AND WE DO! WHY DON”T YOU?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Tim

    >> My father inlaw has prayed for five people who have been raised from the dead.

    5 PEOPLE? Really?!?!? Then you need to go to this article and ask your father in law for proof of his claims – I would love these 5 (now undead people) to come to this site and tell us their story and bring proof :)

    Place to come and tell us story with proof: Have You or a Loved One Been Raised From the Dead?

    We have been trying to get people who have been ‘raised from the dead’ to come with proof to tell us their story and we just can’t seem to find anyone – even though pastors seem to raise people from the dead all the time (strange). You would think that if you were raised from the dead you would love to tell your story about the magnificence of Jesus Christ’s power in this day and age to raise you from the dead by the hands on a pastor with the gift of ‘raising someone from the dead.’ Hey? Hey?

    So come now, press your father in law to find those people and lets get this story on the roll!!!!!

    I have so much faith in your father in law to come through with the goods ;) I would hate to have to prove you and your father in law to be liars who follow false teaching, like the rest of em. :)

  • Robbie

    Tim.

    How sad that miracles has to be something “supernatural” and how used we to the everyday miracles – to the extent that we have to look for bigger “signs” like adulterous nations

    >>>If you don’t have miracles happening in your life, then you are not close enough to God and are an infant in faith<<<

    Yes, we will be waiting for proof… or are you also just another hitter and runner? Reinhardt is in bed with Benni Hinn which claims to be a little messiah? Do you endorse that too?

  • Just found this site. I watched a programme televising Reinhardt Bonke’s “healings” in Africa. He was “preaching” to–and taking money from–poor Africans. None of the TV film crew accused him. All they did was film what went on.
    What Bonke didn’t know was that a couple of his crooks were being secretly filmed under the stage on which he was appearing showing a woman blind in one eye how to grab at a hankerchief once she’d been “healed”. They got this poor African lady to parly cover her seeing eye and spent time training her how to know where to clutch for the hankerchief.
    So when she went on the stage and Bonke started his act, though it looked like she was unable to see, she was able to clutch at the hankerchief. And the dupes applauded. Many dupes want to be duped because they think that believing anything is faith. Such people are actually denying God’s Word which tells us to PROVE ALL things [1 Thess 5:21] and test the spirits [1 John 4:1]. These are in the imperative verbs because they are COMMANDS not suggestions. Faith is not blindly following what ANY men tell us.
    We are to follow these commands because we are warned that MANY claiming to represent CHRIST–not Buddha, Mohammad or Krishna–will deceive MANY [Matt 24:5] and these deceivers will make merchandise of us [2 Pet 2:3].
    Making merchandise means that they will fleece the flock–take as much money from them as they can in the name of Jesus Christ! That is evil. How difficult is that to understand when it is right there in the Bible?
    Back to Bonke. What he also didn’t know–or didn’t want to know–was that a young African man, who had heard Bonke’s lying claims to heal, turned up outside the meeting with his dying baby in the hope the Bonke would heal the child.
    Bonke’s henchmen–unaware that they were being filmed–would NOT let the poor man into the meeting. Here was the chance to let their Lord and Master, Bonke, prove that he could raise someone from the dead. But they would not let the man into the meeting! There is surely one reason why these charlatans wouldn’t let the man into the meeting: They knew without a shadow of a doubt that Bonke had no such power and that his claims were lies!
    In fact the poor man then went to Bonke’s limousine and, as his baby died, he placed its body on the bonnet. Please note the Bonke’s car was a Rolls-Royce!!! No ordinary car for him. (And most of those poor Africans attending Bonke’s charade couldn’t afford to buy a meal, let alone a Rolls-Royce.)
    The poor man was chased away by Bonke’s bodyguards who made sure that this man was not going to bother their lord, Bonke.
    This was shown on TV for all the world to see. People at the church I attended at the time were accusing the media of twisting things when they did nothing of the sort. They merely showed what went on. They did not say anything derogatory about Bonke because they didn’t have to. He was shown for what he was: a greedy, manipulating liar and a charlatan.
    The people who defend this quack, who disgraces the Name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for money and wealth, ought to hang their heads in shame. They have the audacity to miscall those who stand up for the glory of Christ and expose these criminals and charlatans as the Bible commands us to do [Ephesians 5:11]. They would rather make gods of corrupt men–who they call godly–because they refuse to obey that COMMAND in Ephesians as they do the commands in 1 Thess 5:21 and 1 John 4:1.
    I wonder at those defenders of Bonke who saw that television programme where his henchmen treated that poor African man so ambominably. Where does loving their neighbours as themselves come into the equation?
    Would they have liked it if they went in hope with a dying baby to someone who claimed he could raise it from the dead to be chased away? And where does their “doing unto others as they would be done by” come into it?
    The fact of the matter is, these people haven’t even stopped to consider those Scriptures. As Bonke claims to know them and refuses to act on them, it shows he is a crook. He can laugh at poor, gullible Africans as he dupes them and takes their money but there will be a time when he–and all the other quacks like him–will have to answer to God [Ephes 5:5].

  • Fran

    Just got this from my friend. He is mad because I refuse to go! LOL! Please pray for us as this rubbish is infiltrating the American church. I am sure it is just a matter of time before things implode on us here across the pond. We Americans put up with all sorts of nonsense under the false guise of unity. Appreciate your prayers!!!! These people are promoting it around town. Pray for them as well.

    Thursday, May 8th 7pm to 9pm

    Christ Fellowship

    5343 Northlake Blvd

    Palm Beach Gardens, Florida 33418

  • Fran

    Oooppps sorry but the meeting I posted is Reinhardt Bonnke coming to Florida to bring the Gospel to Americans tonight. Course we have more resources than most in this day and age, so guess it is time to fill up the baskets so they can spread the “message” to other countries. We Americans are so gullible at times. Please pray for us! Thank you.

  • Robbie

    Fran, With Reinhard there it means Africa is going to get a breather? :-)

    Reinhard says: “I have come to love my country, but my heart is burning as I witness the staggering decline of morals and faith in this nation,” says Bonnke, who recently became a U.S. citizen. “America needs the gospel like never before. Despite years of sharing God’s saving message abroad, I believe God is now calling me to turn my ministry inward to help America find renewal and revival.”

    Americans today are in a battle, not of weapons, but of truth… Reinhard is not the right choice.
    We will pray for you Fran.

  • Andrew van Staden

    DIE LEERSTELLING VAN DIE DRIE-EENHEID, kan nie losgemaak word van Calvinisme nie. So ook die leerstellinjg van die sg. uitverkiesing. Ek het die afgelope jaar gelees van al die vals evangelie wat die baie bekende predikers verkondig het. Dink maar aan, om maar n paar te noem, Tod Bentley, Rick Warren, arme Kobus van Rensburg. Hierdie manne is deur u webtuiste beskuldig vir al wat laag en lasterlik is. En toe kom Kenneth Copeland en plaas die kersie op die koek om terug te gaan na sy en baie ander kerke se moeder, Die Roomse Katolieke Kerk. Ek deel u ongelukkigheid oor hierdie Pastore, (en die lys is sommer baie lank), se valsheid en sondige lewe. Maar weet u wat? Almal van hierdie lang lys, verkondig dieselfde drie-eenheid leerstelling as u. Laat ek dit duidelik stel, ek is en was nog nooit n Calvinis nie, ek glo nie in drie gode nie, maar ek glo aan dit wat u aanhaal in die Celibacy artikel, nl. Isa. 46:9 “Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is none like Me,…… Ons lewe nou in die tyd dat die dogters van die “harlot” na hul moeder gaan terugkeer. Kenneth Copeland is maar net die begin, mag ek u vra, waak en bid! Ek kan met n skoon gewete sê dat ek baie bekommerd is oor wat besig is om te gebeur! Aan die ander kant doen ek wat Jesus sê; “Wanneer julle hierdie dinge sien gebeur, weet dat My koms naby is, hef julle hoofde na bo….

  • Andrew van Satden

    Ek neem aan jy is ‘n Jehovah Getuie is? Is ek reg?

  • Andrew van Staden

    Geagte Thomas, NEE, jy is verkeerd, en dit sal jy ongelukkig vir jou, moet erken. Het jy my dan so gou vergeet? Jy sien ek is die ou wat glo dat as Apostel Paulus praat 1Tim: 3:16 God is geopenbaar in die vlees……,en Kol.2:9-10 Want in Hom woon die volheid van die Godheid liggaamlik… Kol 1:19-20, Want dit het die Vader behaag dat die volheid in Hom sou woon…,en 1Tim. 2:5 Want daar is een God en een Middelaar tussen God en die mense, die MENS Christus Jesus, Hoofletters van mens myne, hoop julle sien dit raak. Paulus skryf in Kol. 1:15, Hy, (Jesus) is die Beeld van die onsienlike God, die eersgeborene van die hele skepping. Jesus bid tot die Vader Joh.17:3 En dit is die ewige lewe, dat hulle U ken, die ENIGE WAARAGTIGE GOD, en Christus Jesus wat U gestuur het, as dit n drie-enige God was sou Hy dit gesê het. Nêrens in die Bybel sal jy die terminilogie kry wat julle byvoeg om julle standpunt te steun nie nl. “God die Seun” en of “God die Heilige Gees”. Al wat die Almagtige nodig gehad het om self na Sy eie te kom is n vleeslike liggaam wat dan ook sou dien as die Paaslam, Tabbernakel en voorhangsel,sien Heb. 10:19-20. om vir ons sonde te sterf. Julle is so lief om Gen. 1:26 voor te hou vir die drie-eenheid, in die versie daarna kry julle mos die antwoord. Die boek van Jesaja het sommer baie versies wat jul stelling afskiet. Lees gerus ook Markus 12:28-32 …/en die skrifgeleerde antwoord Hom, goed Meester U het met waarheid gesê dat God een is en daar geen ander is as Hy nie..Dit is baie duidelik dat ons, die Pinkster eenheids mense Jesus erken soos wat Paulus gesê het, God geopenbaar in die vlees, ek sal Joh 14 nie eers uitspel nie by hierdie tyd behoort julle te weet wat daar staan. En asb. moet nie weer skrifte soos 1Joh. 5:20 kwoteer om te dien as fondament vir God die Seun, ek ken hierdie skrifte al die afgelope 45jaar! Thomas ek is nie n Jehova getuie nie, Want ek plaas n groter premie op die Godheid van Jesus Christus as wat julle ooit kan dink. Mag die Almagtige Homself nog meer openbaar aan ons die mensdom. God Bless!

  • Andrew van Staden,

    Hoe verklaar jy hierdie vers, “En God het gesê: Laat ONS mense maak na ONS beeld, na ONS gelykenis, en laat hulle heers oor die visse van die see en die voëls van die hemel en die vee en oor die hele aarde en oor al die diere wat op die aarde kruip. (Gen 1:26)

  • Andrew van Staden

    Thomas, die antwoord op jou vraag word beskryf in vers 27,Ons moet die Skepper net kans gee om klaar te praat vers 27″En God het die mens geskape na Sy beeld; na die beeld van God het Hy hulle geskape; man en vrou het Hy hulle geskape.
    Prof. Adrio König laat hom so uit oor die “Ons” uitsprake: Die “Ons” uitsprake kan ook verklaar word as n “waardigheidsmeervoud” of te wel (Pluralis Majestatis. n Koning of die politieke hoof van n land praat dikwels van “ons” terwyl hy as enkeling die besluit neem, selfs Mnr Zuma behou hom die reg voor om dit te sê. Dit daar gelaat. Hier volg n paar van die talle skrifte wat aandui dat die Here God alleen alles geskape het, en dat Hy die enigste verlosser is.
    Jes. 44:8+24; Jes.40:13,14,18,25; Jes.41:4; 42:8; 43:3+11+13
    Ek is werklik teleurgestel dat jy die onderwerpe wat ek in my vorige skrywe aangehaal het, beantwoord het met “Is jy n Jehova getuie… ” dit is baie duidelik dat jy nie eers die moeite gedoen het om dit enigsins te lees nie. As dit jou houding is dan wonder ek of dit enigsins die moeite werd is om nog aan te gaan. Ek hoop net vir4 jou eie beswil dat jy die skrifte meer ernstig sal opneem, Sterkte Terloops jy is aan my antwoorde verskuldig op al my genoemde skrifte!

  • Andrew van Staden,

    Gaan leer eers wat die meervoud “ons” beteken en kom dan terug. Adrio Konig praat snert, net soos hy destyds snert gepraat het oor die NG se beleid oor gays. Daar is hoegenaamd nie ‘n Pluralis Majestatis in die Bybel nie. Indien daar wel so iets is, sou Jesus Christus konstant die Pluralis Majestatis gebruik het om na Homself te verwys. Hoe klink die volgende vir jou?

    Jesus antwoord hom: ONS is die weg en die waarheid en die lewe; niemand kom na die Vader behalwe deur ONS nie. (Joh 14:6).

    Want die brood van God is ONS wat uit die hemel neerdaal en aan die wêreld die lewe gee. (Joh 6:33)

    ONS is die ware wynstok, en my Vader is die landbouer. Elke loot wat in ONS nie vrug dra nie, neem Hy (die Vader) weg; en elke loot wat vrug dra, dié maak Hy skoon, sodat dit meer vrug kan dra. (Joh 15:1-2)

    Toe Jesus gedoop is, het hy seker soos ‘n wafferse buikspreker sy stem vanuit die hemel gegooi en gesê “Dit is my geliefde Seun in wie Ek ‘n welbehae het.” Nog meer, Hy moes ‘n wafferse towenaar gewees het toe Hy in dieselfde oomblik van gestalte verander het om soos ‘n duif as die Heilige Gees vanuit die hemel neer te daal.

    Het Jesus na Homself opgevaar toe Hy gesê het “Raak My nie aan nie, want Ek het nog nie opgevaar na my Vader nie; maar gaan na my broeders en sê vir hulle: Ek vaar op na my Vader en julle Vader, en my God en julle God.” (Johannes 20:17)

    Ek is niks aan jou verskuldig nie. As jy nie daardie gedeeltes in Jesaja kan verstaan of wil verstaan nie, is dit jou saak, nie myne nie.

    Jy is miskien nie ‘n Jehovah Getuie nie maar jy dink soos een. Saam met hulle is jy besig om ‘n gek te maak van Jesus Christus wat kwansuis nie die verskil geken het tussen die enkelvoud en meervoud nie en toe maar sommer gesê het “Ek (pleks van ONS) is die weg en die waarheid en die lewe; niemand kom na die Vader behalwe deur ONS (pleks van My) nie. (Joh 14:6)

    Moet asseblief nie my tyd mors nie. Ek het nie baie tyd vir mense wat nie logies kan dink of nie wil dink nie.

    Jy het hoegenaamd nie in jou vorige skrywes aangedui dat jy nie ‘n Jehovah Getuie is nie. Ek het bloot ‘n vraag gevra en as jy my nie behoorlik kan antwoord nie, is jy die een wat onmanierlik is en nie ek nie.

  • Andrew van Staden

    Geagte Thomas, ek sien julle het nie my laaste antwoord op bg. geplaas nie.
    Hierdie sal dus my laaste skrywe aan jou wees, bygesê as julle dit sal plaas!
    Aan Anonymous haal jy die skrif aan waar Paulus by herhaling sê:”Al sou n mens of n engel n evangelie bring anders as die een wat ek julle bring, laat hom n vervloeking wees! Nou vra ek jou en ek antwoord jou sommer want jy het nie die vrymoedigheid om te antwoord nie: Hoe het Apostel Paulus gedoop? Antwoord: In die Naam van die Here Jesus, Hand.19:5-6, 1Kor 12-13, Is Christus vedeel? Of is Paulus miskien vir julle gekruisig? Of is julle in die naam van Paulus gedoop? Die enigste logiese antwoord hierop is, NEE, Christus is vir ons gekruisig, daarom is ons in Sy Naam gedoop. Weereens Paulus, EEN Here een geloof en een doop,Efes 4:5. 1Tim. 3:16 God is geopenbaar in die vlees…..!
    en nie soos julle glo, God die Seun is geopenbaar in die vlees!
    My laaste vriendelike versoek aan u is om bewus te word daarvan dat die Pous en Calvyn, wie julle so haat, en die songod aanbidder Konstantyn wat deel van die antichris is verkondig dieselfde doop en godheid as julle, die Pous aanvaar julle as verseëlde lidmate omdat julle soos hy glo. Ons wat Die Naam van die Here Jesus oor ons laat uitroep tydens die doopsplegtigheid is egter onaanvaarbaar vir die Pous! Kenneth Copeland is een v/d Pous se eerste slagoffers. Ons weerstaan die Pous en antichris soos Paulus gewaarsku het!
    Vaarwel!

  • Andrew van Staden

    Geagte Thomas, julle is oneerlik! Ek het by twee geleenthede op jou bewerings geantwoord,dit het op jul webwerf geregistreer. Die volgende dag het julle dit verwyder sodat die lesers dit nie kan sien nie, skaam julle, daar wag n oordeel op julle! Ek het goeie nuus vir julle, ek is klaar met julle oneerlike wesens, ek hoop andere wat soos julle glo, is tenminste eerlik, Sies!!

  • Andrew van Staden,

    Ek hoop nie jy is klaar met die Drie-enige God – Vader, Seun en Heilige Gees nie. Dit sal ‘n katastrofe wees.

    Lees gerus hierdie artikel: Love and Justice in the Trinity.

  • Andrew van Staden.

    Jy gebruik Handelinge 19:5-6 as ‘n soort vasgestelde reël of templaat om te sê dat Jesus se woorde in Mattheus 29:19 nie meer geld nie en dat Paulus se aanbeveling dat die doop sedertdien in die Naam van Jesus alleen gedoen moet word nou die norm is. Die ironie is dat Paulus self so te sê niemand gedoop het nie, “Want Christus het my nie gestuur om te doop nie, maar om die evangelie te verkondig, nie met wysheid van woorde nie, sodat die kruis van Christus nie verydel mag word nie. (1 Kor 1:17). Hoe nou gemaak? Jy sê die doop is alleenlik geldig wanneer dit net in die Naam van Jesus gedoen word terwyl Paulus sê dit is nie deel van die Evangelie nie.

    Ek het die volgende kommentaar oor die doop in Mattheus 28: 19 geskryf.

    Matthew 28:19 does not say that you must use water to baptize new converts. It simply says that we must baptize (immerse) new converts INTO the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The word “eis” (“in,” “into”) refers to “motion” from one place into another. We find the same principle in Colossians 1:13 “Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us INTO (eis) the kingdom of his dear Son.” (Colossians 1:13). Whenever you lead someone to Christ you are in fact baptizing (immersing) them INTO the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and delivering them from the power of darkness and translating them INTO the Kingdom of his dear Son THROUGH and WITH the mighty work of the Holy Spirit WITHOUT immersing them in water. That’s why Scripture says that we are co-workers with God (1 Corinthians 3:9). – See more at: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/10/28/importance-baptism/#more-16678

    Jy was baie gou op jou perdjie toe ek na jou verwys het as ‘n Jehovah Getuie omdat julle kerk en hulle nie glo in die Drie-eenheid nie – Een God, drie Persone, Vader, Seun en Heilige Gees. Maar nou wil jy my so wrintie vereenselwig met Calvyn, die Pous en Konstantyn omdat ook hulle in die hipostatiese verklaring van die Drie-eenheid glo. Jy maak jouself skuldig aan jou eie beskuldiging. Haal maar gerus eers die balk uit jou eie oog.

    Jy het my tot dusver nie geantwoord op my vrae oor Johannes 14:6. 6:33 en 15: 1-2 nie. Kan jy?

  • Andrew van Staden

    Geagte Thomas, Jy het my nog nie op een v/d baie skrifte wat ek jou gegee het geantwoord nie! En wat het geword van die drie briewe wat julle gekanseleer het soos ek in my laaste skrywe gemeld het. Ek sal meer ruggraat as jy toon en nou hierdie skrifte beantwoord. Joh. 14:6 Natuurlik glo ons daardie woorde net soos dit daar staan! Lees nou net verder om n openbaring te ervaar. Jesus sê oa. As julle My geken het sou julle My Vader ook geken het, en van nou af ken julle Hom en het julle Hom gesien, en dan verder Filipus sê vir Hom, Here toon ons die Vader en dit is vir ons genoeg.
    9 Jesus sê vir Hom; Ek is so lankal by julle, en het jy My nie geken nie, Filipus. Hy wat My gesien het, het die Vader gesien. En hoe sê jy toon ons die Vader. Natuurlik glo ons daardie skrif ook ten volle. Joh. 15:1-2.
    Dit lyk vir my jy weet nie wat ons glo nie, behalwe van die doop. Ek sal graag by jou wil weet wat jou verklaring is vir Joh. 14:7-10, kom nou,ek verwag n antwoord van jou.
    Oor die doop wat die Apostels bedien het sal miskien later die feite vir jou gee. Wederom

  • Andrew van Staden,

    Kom ons begin by Johannes 14:7-10. Die fout wat jy maak is om te glo dat Jesus gesê het HY IS die Vader sowel as die Seun. Filippus wou graag ‘n teofanie (manifestasie) van God sien. Dieselfde apostel Johannes sê in 1 Johannes 4:12 dat niemand God nog ooit aanskou het nie. Hoe nou gemaak? Lieg hy? Christus het dan self gesê: “Hy wat My gesien het, het [God] die Vader gesien.”

    Die antwoord lê hierin: Niemand het nog ooit God die Vader gesien nie. Moses het net sy agterkant gesien toe Hy hom in die skeur van ‘n rots geplaas het (‘n OT metafoor van Jesus Christus as die Rots wat vir ons geskeur is) en verby Hom gegaan het. “Verder het Hy gesê: ‘Jy kan my aangesig nie sien nie, want geen mens kan My sien en bly lewe nie.'” (Exodus 33:20). Dis God die Vader wat hier gepraat het en nie Jesus Christus nie. Jesus het juis aarde toe gekom om aan ons te kom toon hoe die Vader lyk, om Hom, aan ons bekend te stel en al sy karaktereienskappe aan ons te openbaar. Toe Hy gesê het “Ek en die Vader is een” het Hy bedoel dat die liefde, genade, barmhartigheid, gooedheid, goedertierenheid, ens. wat in sy Vader se karakter teenwoordig is net so volmaak en 100% in Hom teenwoordig is. Om dit beter te verstaan moet ons na Hebreërs hoofstuk 1 gaan.

    “Nadat God [die Vader] baiekeer en op baie maniere in die ou tyd gespreek het tot die vaders deur die profete, het Hy [God die Vader] in hierdie laaste dae tot ons gespreek deur die Seun wat Hy as erfgenaam van alles aangestel het, deur wie Hy ook die wêreld gemaak het. Hy, wat die afskynsel is van sy [God die Vader se] heerlikheid en die afdruksel van sy wese en alle dinge dra deur die woord van sy krag, nadat Hy deur Homself die reiniging van ons sondes bewerk het, het gaan sit aan die regterhand van die Majesteit in die hoogte, terwyl Hy soveel uitnemender geword het as die engele namate Hy ‘n voortrefliker naam geërf het as hulle. (Hebreërs 1:1-4).

    Hy kan alleenlik God wees en die afskynsel en afdruksel wees van iemand as daardie iemnand ook ‘n volwaardige selfbestaande entiteit (God) is. HY kan nie ‘n afskynel of ‘n afdruklsel van Homself wees nie.

    Ek moet ‘n ernstige waarskuwing tot jou rig. Jy kan nie op die ewige lewe aanspraak maak nie, as jy nie glo soos die Skrif sê nie. Jesus het tot sy Vader in hemel gebid (nie tot Homself nie).

    En dit is die ewige lewe, dat hulle U (die Vader) ken, die enige waaragtige God, en Jesus Christus [sy Seun] wat U gestuur het. Ek het U (die Vader] verheerlik op die aarde. Die werk wat U [die Vader] My gegee het om te doen, het Ek [U Seun] volbring. En nou, Vader, verheerlik My [U Seun] by Uself met die heerlikheid wat Ek [die Seun] by U [die Vader] gehad het voordat die wêreld was. Ek het u Naam geopenbaar aan die mense wat U My uit die wêreld gegee het. Hulle het aan U behoort, en U het hulle aan My gegee, en hulle het u woord bewaar. Nou weet hulle dat alles wat U My gegee het, van U kom. (Johannes 17:3-7)

  • Andrew van Staden

    WAT IS WAARHEID: GOD BESTAANDE UIT DRIE PERSONE (GODE) NL.
    God die Vader, God die seun en God die Heilige Gees ?
    OF
    “Hoor Israel die HERE onse God is ‘n enige HERE Deut. 6:4
    ‘n enige HERE beteken natuurlik “Die enigste.HERE”
    Lees tot vers 10 en sien self hoe belangrik dit vir God is!

    Vers 7, jy moet dit vir jou kinders inskerp en daaroor spreek
    Ook moet jy dit as ‘n teken bind op jou hand, en dit moet as ‘n voorhoofsband tussen jou oë wees…Kan dit dalk vir die wedergeborenes die Anti-tipe wees van die Merk van die Dier wat ook op die hand en die voorhoof aangebring gaan word.

    In effek sê die Roomse Kerk en haar aanhangers aan God ons glo U nie en sê: “nee HERE U is verkeerd, ons het besluit dat U nie die enigste HERE is nie, daar is Drie.

    Dit is ‘n gedokumenteerde feit dat die Drie-eenheid se oorsprong van die heidene van Babilon afkomstig is, sien meegaande aanhaling uit “The Two Babylons” blds 16
    Hierdie boek is deur ‘n drie-eenheids man geskryf en is feitelik, korrek.

    “In the unity of that one Only God of the Babylonians, there were three persons, and to symbolise that doctrine of the Trinity, they employed, as the discoveries of Layard prove, the equilateral triangle just as it is well known the Romish Church does at this day.”

    Ek wil nou die teksverse wat jy so vermy, uitspel vir wat dit werd is;Jes. 44:8+20, Wees nie verskrik nie, en moenie bewe nie! Het Ek jou dit nie lank tevore te kenne gegee nie? En julle is my getuies! Is daar ‘n God buiten My? Ja, daar is geen rotssteen nie:Ek ken geeneen nie. 24. So sê die HERE jou Verlosser, en Hy wat jou geformeer het van jou moederskoot af: Ek is die HERE wat alles volbring, wat die hemel uitspan, Ek alleen, en wat die aarde uitsprei—wie was met MY?

    Jes. 40:13 , Wie het die Gees van die HERE bestuur en as sy raadsman Hom onderrig? Jes.42:8, Ek is die HERE, dit is my Naam, en My eer sal Ek aan geen ander gee…..Jes. 43: 11, Ek, Ek is die HERE, en daar is geen Heiland buiten My nie.

    God, Eerste en Laaste in Ou Testament / God geopenbaar in die vlees Eerste en Laaste naamlik Jesus in die Nuwe Testament.

    Jes. 44:6, So sê die HERE, die Koning van Israel en sy Losser, die HERE van die leërskare: Ek is die Eerste, en Ek is die Laaste, en buiten My is daar geen God nie.

    Sien Openbaring 1:13-18
    13. en tussen die sewe kandelaars Een soos die Seun van die mens met ‘n kleed aan wat tot op die voete hang, en gegord om die bors met ‘n goue gordel.
    14. Sy hoof en hare was wit soos wol, soos sneeu, en sy oë soos ‘n vuurvlam, 15. en sy voete soos blink koper wat gloei soos in’n oond, en sy stem soos die stem van baie waters. 16 En in sy regterhand het Hy sewe sterre gehou, en ‘n skerp tweesnydende swaard het uit sy mond uitgegaan, en sy aangesig was soos die son wat skyn in sy krag.
    17 En toe ek Hom sien val ek soos ‘n dooie aan sy voete; en Hy het sy regterhand op my gelê en vir my gesê: moenie vrees nie; Ek is die eerste en die laaste 18. en die lewende; Ek was dood en kyk Ek leef tot in alle ewigheid. Amen.

    Geagte Thomas, ek is bekommerd oor jou interpretasies van die Skrif. Kom ons vat een voorbeeld Joh. 17:3 Jy sit die titels Vader en Seun in hakkies, asof ek dit nie weet nie, moenie my intelligensie onderskat nie. Die belangrikste woorde wat jy moet uitklaar is; “die enige waaragtige God. “ Nou die vraag Glo jy soos hierdie skrif sê; in die enige waaragtige God?
    En wat glo jy werlik oor 1Tim. 3:16 Is God geopenbaar in die vlees, Of God die Seun geopenbaar in die Vlees.y

    Dit is vir die mens onmoontlik om die dieptes van God te ontrafel, God sal dit nooit toelaat nie. Die Skrif sê slegs die Gees van God, ken die dieptes van God.

    Wederom Andrew

  • Andrew van Staden skryf:

    Dit is vir die mens onmoontlik om die dieptes van God te ontrafel, God sal dit nooit toelaat nie. Die Skrif sê slegs die Gees van God, ken die dieptes van God.

    Dis darem baie oneerlik van jou om slegs ‘n gedeelte van ‘n teks aan te haal en dan te sê “sien jy, ons kan nie die dieptes van God ken nie.” Lees die hele vers in sy korrekte konteks.

    Ek was ook by julle in swakheid en in vrees en in veel bewing; en my rede en my prediking was nie in oorredende woorde van menslike wysheid nie, maar in die betoning van gees en krag, sodat julle geloof nie in wysheid van mense sou bestaan nie, maar in die krag van God. Tog spreek ons wysheid onder die volwassenes, maar ‘n wysheid nie van hierdie wêreld, of van hierdie wêreld se heersers, wat vergaan nie. Maar ons spreek die wysheid van God, wat bestaan in verborgenheid wat bedek was en wat God van ewigheid af voorbeskik het tot ons heerlikheid, wat niemand van die heersers van hierdie wêreld geken het nie—want as hulle dit geken het, sou hulle die Here van die heerlikheid nie gekruisig het nie— maar soos geskrywe is: Wat die oog nie gesien en die oor nie gehoor en in die hart van ‘n mens nie opgekom het nie, wat God berei het vir die wat Hom liefhet. Maar God het dit aan ons deur sy Gees geopenbaar, want die Gees ondersoek alle dinge, ook die dieptes van God. Want wie van die mense weet wat in ‘n mens is, behalwe die gees van die mens wat in hom is? So weet ook niemand wat in God is nie, behalwe die Gees van God. Ons het ewenwel nie die gees van die wêreld ontvang nie, maar die Gees wat uit God is, sodat ons kan weet wat God ons uit genade geskenk het. Daarvan spreek ons ook, nie met woorde wat die menslike wysheid leer nie, maar met dié wat die Heilige Gees leer, sodat ons geestelike dinge met geestelike vergelyk. Maar die natuurlike mens neem die dinge van die Gees van God nie aan nie; want dit is vir hom dwaasheid, en hy kan dit nie verstaan nie, omdat dit geestelik beoordeel word. (1 Korinthiërs 2:3-14)

    Is die openbaring in die Bybel dat God een is maar drie duidelik onderskeibare persone vir jou dwaasheid? Ongelowiges ken nie die dieptes van God se openbaringe nie omdat hulle nie sy Gees het nie.

    Jy het nog steeds nie my vrae geantwoord nie.

    Toe Jesus gedoop is, het hy seker soos ‘n wafferse buikspreker sy stem vanuit die hemel gegooi en gesê “Dit is my geliefde Seun in wie Ek ‘n welbehae het.” Nog meer, Hy moes ‘n wafferse towenaar gewees het toe Hy in dieselfde oomblik van gestalte verander het om soos ‘n duif as die Heilige Gees vanuit die hemel neer te daal.

    Het Jesus na Homself opgevaar toe Hy gesê het “Raak My nie aan nie, want Ek het nog nie opgevaar na my Vader nie; maar gaan na my broeders en sê vir hulle: Ek vaar op na my Vader en julle Vader, en my God en julle God.” (Johannes 20:17)

  • Andrew van Staden

    DIE OPENBARING VAN DIE DOOP IN DIE NAAM VAN DIE HERE JESUS CHRISTUS

    Geagte Thomas ek het besluit om jou sarkasme en belaglike aantuigings te ignoreer. Ek het die onderwerp van die doop breedvoerig beskryf maar het daarteen besluit om dit aan jou te stuur.

    Hier volg nou ‘n kort, tot die punt weergawe wat grootliks deur Skrifte onderskryf word.
    Openbaring 21:14, En die muur van die stad het het twaalf fondamente gehad, en daarop was die name van die twaalf Apostels van die Lam.

    Efese 2:20, So is julle nie dan meer vreemdelinge en bywoners nie, maar medeburgers van die heiliges en huisgenote van God, 21.gebou op die fondament van die apostels en profete, terwyl Jesus Christus self die hoeksteen is.
    Die apostels van die Here Jesus moes dus (iets) reggedoen het om die ereplek as fondamentleggers van God se saligheidsplan en dat hul name ook geskryf is op die fundament van die Nuwe Jerusalem, ek noem dit sonder enige vrees vir teëspraak.

    Ons lees in Mattheus 28:16, En die elf dissipels het na Galiléa gegaan, waar Jesus hulle bestel het. (m.a.w. Om die Skrif in die regte konteks te lees, Jesus het ‘n afspraak met die elf gehad, en nie met my of die Pous of met u nie)
    Vers 18, En Jesus het nader gekom en met hulle (die elf) gespreek en gesê: Aan My is gegee alle mag in die hemel en op aarde.
    Gaan dan heen , maak dissipels van al die nasies, en doop hulle in die Naam van die Vader en die Seun en die Heilige Gees; en leer hulle om alles te onderhou wat ek julle beveel het.

    Apostel Lukas se weergawe van dieselfde geval lui so;Lukas 24:45-47, Toe open Hy hulle verstand om die Skrifte te verstaan. 46. En Hy sê vir hulle: So is dit geskrywe, en so moes die Christus ly en op die derde dag opstaan, en bekering en vergifnis van sondes in sy Naam verkondig word aan al die nasies, van Jerusalem af en verder.

    Hulle onthou dat Jesus in sy laaste onderwys aan hulle gesê het soos opgeteken in
    Johannes 14 : 26 …maar die Trooster, die Heilige Gees, wat die Vader in my Naam sal stuur, Hy sal julle alles leer en sal julle herinner aan alles wat Ek julle gesê het.

    DIE HANDELINGE VAN DIE APOSTELS VAN DIE HERE JESUS CHRISTUS!

    Ons betree nou die Era van die “Uitstorting van die Heilige Gees, soos Jesus belowe wat hulle sal herinner aan alles wat Hy aan hulle gesê het! Die fondamentleggers in aksie. Handelinge 1 :8, maar julle sal krag ontvang wanneer die Heilige Gees oor julle kom en julle sal My getuies wees…………

    UITSTORTING VAN DIE HEILIGE GEES
    Dit is nou al die tiende dag dat hulle saam met die ander dissipels eendragtig vas en bid vir die uitstorting van die Heilige Gees!

    En toe die dag van die pinksterfees aangebreek het, was almal eendragtig bymekaar.
    En daar kom skielik uit die hemel ‘n geluid soos van ‘n geweldige rukwind, en dit het die hele huis gevul waar hulle gesit het. Toe is deur hulle tonge gesien soos van vuur, wat hulself verdeel en op elkeen van hulle gaan sit het. En hulle is almal vervul met die Heilige Gees en het begin spreek in ander tale, soos die GEES AAN HULLE GEGEE HET OM UIT TE SPREEK.

    Die belofte van Jesus van Joh. 14:26 en Hand. 1:8 het tot vervulling gekom!

    Die apostels was almal teenwoordig, Petrus, wat saam met die ander pas ‘n magtige doping met die Heilige Gees ervaar het, neem die leiding deur aan die menigte die boodskap van verlossing te bring, in vervulling van Mat. 16:8-9.
    Die Skrif sê die mense was diep in die hart getref, en het gevra wat hulle moet doen.

    By die geboorte van die eerste Gemeente op aarde antwoord Petrus: Bekeer julle, en laat elkeen van julle gedoop word in die Naam van Jesus Christus tot die vergewing van sondes, en julle sal die gawe van die Heilige Gees ontvang.
    Want die belofte kom julle toe, en julle kinders, en almal wat daar ver is, soveel as wat die Here onse God na Hom sal roep.

    Hand. 4:12 sê daar is net een Naam gegee in die hemel en op die aarde waardeur ons gered kan word, lees daardie hoofstuk en sien wat is die Naam. (Jesus)

    Thomas, jy sê dat apostel Paulus die doop nie as deel van die Evangelie beskou nie.
    Hoe onkundig kan jy wees, jy waag dit om verkeerde afleidings te maak jy loop op dun ys! Luister wat sê Paulus in Titus 3 ;4-5 Maar toe die goedertierenheid van God ons Verlosser, en sy liefde tot die mens verskyn het,—5. nie op grond van die werke van geregtigheid wat ons gedoen het nie, maar na sy barmhartigheid, het Hy ons gered deur die bad van die wedergeboorte, en die vernuwing deur die Heilige Gees.

    My reaksie op jou sg. Kommentaar oor die doop.
    Jy verkondig beslis ‘n dwaalleer as jy die doop soos deur Jesus en die apostels bedien belaster. Dit lyk te veel na New Age, Ek kon nie my oë glo nie.

    Ten slotte: Was die doops Formulier wat die Roomse Kerk en haar dogters gebruik ooit deur die apostels van Jesus gebruik? Atwoord: NEE,NOOIT!
    DIT IS REG, DIE DOOP IN DIE NAAM VAN JESUS CHRISTUS EN OF DIE HERE JESUS CHRISTUS IS DIE ENIGSTE FORMULIER WAT VOORKOM.

    Mat. 28:19 was ‘n bevel aan die apostels, dit pas ons om te kyk hoe die Heilige Gees hulle gelei het. Paulus sê: in Kol.3:17 Wat jy ookal doen in woord of in daad, doen alles in die Naam van die Here Jesus, en dank God die Vader deur Hom,
    Mag God u wakker maak

  • Andrew van Staden,

    Wat het jou elle lange kommentaar te make met jou onbyblese geloof in een God maar drie manifestasies – Vader, Seun en Heilige Gees?

  • Andrew van Staden

    Geagte Thomas, ek is bly dat jy erken dat julle in dieselfde, soos jy dit noem, “hipostatiese konsep van die drie-eenheid glo, en jy voeg by, soos die Roomse kerk; baie dankie vir jou erkening. Daar is egter nog net twee vrae wat ek wil vra, behalwe van die meer as honderd wat jy nie kan antwoord nie.
    .1 Het Jesus die waarheid gepraat in Joh. 17:3 En dit is die ewige lewe dat hulle U ken, die enige waaragtige God, en Jesus Christus wat U gestuur het!
    met die klem op “enige waaragtige God” Ek soek net n JA of NEE!!
    Jy beskuldig Paulus vals, deur te sê dat hy die doop nie as deel van die Evangelie beskou het nie. Eintlik mors ons mense wat jou aanvat ons tyd.Jy sal net mooi nooit erken dat jy verkeerd is nie

  • Andrew van Staden

    Terloops Thomas, Jou Naamgenoot, dit is nou Ongelowige Thomas,Sê in Joh. 20:28,
    En Thomas antwoord en sê vir Hom: My Here en my God!
    vers 29, Jesus sê vir hom: Omdat jy My gesien het, Thomas, het jy geglo, salig is die wat nie gesien het nie, en tog geglo het.
    Mooi loop.

  • Andrew van Staden

    JY is lief om verse aan te haal sonder fat jy hoegenaamd verstaan wat dit beteken.

  • Andrew van Staden,

    Johannes 17:3 sê presies wat jy nie glo nie. Die enige waaragtige God is God die Vader en die een wat Hy gestuur het, is sy Seun Jesus Christus, ook die enige waaragtige God wat een is met die Vader. Of het Jesus Homself gestuur of was dit ‘n manifestasie van die Vader wat die Seun gestuur het? Wie sê jy is nie die een wat verkeerd is nie? As Paulus die doop met water of in water as deel van die Evangelie beskou het, sou hy elkeen wat hy na die Here gelei het, gedoop het.

    Ek dank God dat ek niemand van julle gedoop het nie, behalwe Crispus en Gajus, sodat niemand kan sê dat ek in my naam gedoop het nie. Ek het ook nog die huisgesin van Stéfanas gedoop. Verder weet ek nie of ek iemand anders gedoop het nie. Want Christus het my nie gestuur om te doop nie, maar om die evangelie te verkondig, nie met wysheid van woorde nie, sodat die kruis van Christus nie verydel mag word nie. (1 Korinthiërs 1:14-17)

  • Andrew van Staden

    Wat Johannes 17:3 betref, dit was ‘n manifestasie van die enige onsigbare God, Mat. 1:23 Kyk, die maagd sal swanger word en ‘n seun baar, en hulle sal Hom Emmánuel noem,dit is, as dit vertaal word: God met ons. 1Tim. 3:16, And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; God was manifest in flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
    I like what this Trinatarian J.B.Phillips M.A. says, please read it.
    “If we believe with our adult minds that we live on a planet visited by God Himself in human form, the record of His life and teaching and that of the movement which He began are of supreme importance to the entire human race. Anything which makes the significance and relevance of the Personal Visit clearer is to be welcomed with open arms.
    Jes. 35:5 vervulling Mat.11:5, Jes.40:9-11 vervulling Joh.10:11
    Die verse wat ek aanhaal spreuk van self!
    Mooi loop.

  • Andrew van Staden

    Geagte Thomas
    Terloops, Paulus het ook die dissipels in Hand.19 gedoop. Paulus het nooit gesê, soos jy beweer, dat die doop nie deel van die evangelie is nie. Hy het slegs verkies om nie self te doop nie, sodat niemand kan sê dat hy in sy eie naam doop nie. 1Kor. 1:15, Dit is wat hy bedoel het, jy sien ek laat die skrif praat, eie uitleg is nie nodig nie, ons moet maar net eerlik wees.
    Mooi loop

  • Andrew van Staaden,

    Hoe lees jy jou Bybel? Paulus het nie self gekies om nie te doop nie. Hy sê self Christus het hom nie gestuur om te doop nie maar om die Evangelie te verkondig.

  • Wat beteken “Ek EN die Vader is een?” Die woord “EN” sê tog baie duidelik dat Jesus nie ‘n manifestasie van die Vader is nie, maar dat Hy ‘n Persoon op sy eie is. Miskien moet jy weer ‘n slag Afrikaans gaan leer voordat jy sulke onsamenhangende kommentare skryf. Dis maklik, man. Die woord “en” dui op twee persone. Of glo jy ook dat wanneer jy sê: “Ek EN my vrou is getroud” dat jy maar net ‘n manifestasie van haar is?” Ek is bereid om jou te debateeer maar dan moet jy ten minste vorder na graad2 en nie in graad1 bly vassit nie.

  • Torsten

    Lazurus was raised from the dead and later died and was buried.
    God himself Jesus Christ was raised from the dead
    And since then has NEVER died again.
    DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE???
    Jesus Christ only raised Lazurus from the dead to show that Jesus
    Would rise from the dead.
    JESUS CHRIST did Miracles because JESUS IS GOD
    ALL the promised Miracles in Mark 16 were “Signs of an Apostle”
    To confirm the “Word” which the Apostles preached
    And this Word was the “Sign of Jonah” that Jesus rose from the dead.
    It was a extremly great EXCEPTION that God himself Jesus Christ
    Allowed the Apostles who were ONLY MEN and NOT “God”
    To do Miracles like Jesus did.
    The ONLY reason Jesus allowed the Apostles to do Miracles
    Was because they must be Witnesses of the Resurrection
    And confirm on behalf of Jesus in his absence the Fact
    That Jesus rose from the dead
    Because Jesus was not allowed to show openly his resurrection to the World,
    (Acts 10:41) that is the ONLY reason God allowed Apostles to do Miracles.
    He that truly has BELIEVED that Jesus rose from the dead
    Knows all his Sins are washed away
    And knows jesus is God.
    And does not desire to see lesser Miracles such as healing
    Or a temporary return from the dead such as Lazurus.
    Lazurus only had his earthly life made a few years longer
    And died again and was buried
    But Jesus Christ rose from the DEAD NEVER to die again
    Pentecostals are PROOF they are still in their Sins and UNBELIEF
    If i really truly believe Jesus rose from the dead
    Then i would NEVER think of praying to jesus for a Miracle.
    Jesus Christ said it is EVIL and it is UNBELIEF
    To tempt God by asking jesus to do a Miracle.
    I promise you Bonnke and co have NEVER raisedcsomeone from the “dead”
    Or done a real Miracle at all€
    He who claims to do Miracles “like Jesus” is a anti-christ
    Who is claiming to be God.
    The Apostles were CHOSEN and SENT by God himself Jesus Christ
    For the sole purpose of confirming as true Eye witnesses
    The Fact that Jesus rose from the dead.
    He who prays to Jesus for a Miracle has denied that Jesus rose from the dead.
    Because if i really BELIEVE jesus is RISEN
    I would not seek Miracles.
    Bonnke is a False Apostle of satan
    Who does Lying wonders where he speaks a LIE
    And people believe his proud foolish Lies.
    ONLY JESUS CHRIST IS GOD WHO CAN DO MIRACLES
    He who does NOT believe Jesus rose from the dead
    Has DENIED that Jesus is God and this is UNFORGIVABLE
    God wants us to BELIEVE Jesus rose from the dead
    WITHOUT seeing proof
    As jesus said to thomas “Blessed are those who have NOT seen and
    Have BELIEVED

  • PJ BARAKA

    Only small chidren can talk, talk and talk what they don’t know. Who said Reinhard Bonnke did not raise the dead? When Daniel Ekwuchukwu came back from the dead afre spending 3 day in the motuary how can that be something “unverified”? I myself watched the video and there too many confirmations by different medical doctors who pronouced him dead, his wife and so many people from his village. If you are looking for something to critisize about Daniel Kolenda, Reihard Bonnke and others…you are wasting your time. I know you wish if you were able to stop them… For your information, top witches and wizards tried to stop them without success, so your emoty words cannot stop God’s work in them. Even God is critisized every day! God almighty is raising more of Bonnkes and Kolenda; I am one of them!! Even satan and his entire hell know that they are UNSTOPPABLE !! If you want to hear more, you will get it: abakristo@yahoo.fr

  • PJ BARAKA wrote:

    “Who said Reinhard Bonnke did not raise the dead?”

    I say Reinhard Bonnke did not raise the dead because only God can raise the dead. Is Bonnke GOD? And why would GOD want to raise anyone now when He has already proven that his Son, Jesus Christ is God when He raised Lazarus from the dead? Moreover why would God want to raise his saints these days when He says that the death of his saints is precious in his sight? (Psa 116:15)

    A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. (Mat 16:4)

  • PJ BARAKA

    Kwekwekwekwe! Only small children can talk, talk and talk with so much ignorance. Who says Reinhard Bonnke did not raise the dead? When Mr. Daniel Ekwuchukwu came back from the dead after spending 3 days in the mortuary, how can that one be “something unverified”? Who do you want to deceive? I myself watched the video and there were too many confirmations by different medical doctors who pronounced him dead, his wife and so many people from his village. If you are looking for something to criticize about Daniel Kolenda, Reihard Bonnke, TB. Joshua and others….you are wasting your time. I know you wish if you were able to stop them… For your information, top witches and wizards tried to stop them without success, so your empty words cannot stop God’s work in them. Even God is criticized every day! God Almighty is raising more of Bonnkes and Kolendas; I am one of them!! Even satan, his demons and his entire hell they know that these Men are UNSTOPPABLE !! If you want to hear more, you will get it: abakristo@yahoo.fr

  • furchtenur Jesus Christus

    ONLY Jesus Christ is GOD
    The “greater work” was the Resurrection of Jesus Christ
    And all the promised Signs in Mark 16
    Were “Signs of an apostle” 2 Cor 12:12
    It was a extremly great Exception that God allowed the apostles
    To do great miracles
    And the ONLY reason for this exception was to confirm that jesus rose from the dead
    The apostles were only allowed to do miracles
    Because Jesus himself could not show his resurrection openly to the world
    That is why he chose Apostles (Acts 10:41)
    He who does not believe the Apostles testimony
    That Jesus rose fro¤ the dead
    Has denied that Jesus is God
    And this sin cannot be forgiven.
    He who does not believe jesus is risen has damned himself.
    ONLY Jesus is GOD who is capable and worthy of doing Miracles
    The Apostles miracles were a one time Exception
    And proof that they were sent by God himself Jesus Christ
    God will never do Miracles again
    Because he wantzs you to BELIEVE without seeing visible Proof
    He who claims to do Miracles is claiming to be “God”
    And this is a “Anti-Christ” who tries to replace Jesus

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    furchteenur Jesus Christus

    I agree with everything you have said, however the part where said “He who does not believe the Apostles testimony, That Jesus rose fro¤ the dead, Has denied that Jesus is God, And this sin cannot be forgiven.” I don’t agree with this part, if someone were to repent and believe they would be forgiven.

  • Trenton Rogers Garmon, Esq.

    Crusades of this magnitude do not allow for some of the basic assumptions that you make. These men are honorable, thus perhaps you should be more mindful in your questioning of their ministry and testimony. If the boy was raised from the dead and you’ve spent some of your limited, god-given time mocking it such does not seem like a task one would want to account for before the Lord. May your respect for the truth be encouraged and your methods tempered with wisdom.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Trenton

    Can you prove that this boy was raised form the dead? If you can’t prove it then we can’t believe it. Why because the honorable Reinard Bonnke has lied about raising someone from the dead before: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bonnke2.html

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  • YOU EXPRESSLY AGREE THAT USE OF THE SITE IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK. NEITHER DISCERNING THE WORLD, ITS AFFILIATES, NOR ANY OF THEIR RESPECTIVE EMPLOYEES, AGENTS, OR LICENSORS WARRANT THAT THE SITE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, TIMELY, SECURE OR ERROR FREE.
  • THE SITE IS PROVIDED ON AN “AS IS” BASIS WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WARRANTIES OF TITLE OR IMLPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
  • THIS DISCLAIMER OF LIABILITY APPLIES TO ANY DAMAGES OR INJURY CAUSED BY ANY FAILURE OF PERFORMANCE, ERROR, OMISSION, INTERRUPTION, DELETION, DEFECT, DELAY, COMMUNICATION LINE FAILURE, THEFT OR DESTRUCTION OR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO, ALTERATION OF OR USE, WHETHER FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, TORTIOUS BEHAVIOR, NEGLIGENCE OR UNDER ANY OTHER CAUSE OF ACTION. YOU SPECIFICALLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT DISCERNING THE WORLD SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR THE DEFAMATORY, OFFENSIVE OR ILLEGAL CONDUCT OF USERS OF THE SITE OR THIRD PARTIES, AND THAT THE RISK OF INJURY FROM THE FOREGOING RESTS ENTIRELY WITH THE YOU THE COMMENTER.
  • IN NO EVENT WILL DISCERNING THE WORLD, ITS AFFILIATES OR ANY OF THEIR RESPECTIVE EMPLOYEES, AGENTS OR LICENSORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES, EVEN IF THEY HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES, ARISING FROM, RELATING TO OR CONNECTED WITH THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE SITE OR ANY OTHER MATTER ARISING FROM, RELATING TO OR CONNECTED WITH THE SITE OR THESE TERMS.

16. These Terms constitute the entire agreement between Discerning the World and you with respect to the subject matter hereof, and supersede any previous oral or written agreement between us with respect to such subject matter.

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