Rick Warren – A Recipe For Disaster

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THERE REALLY IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER (see end of this article)

Rick Warren (Purpose Driven Life author) twitted:

“Those who yell their beliefs are trying to convince themselves. Sarcasm often reveals a weak position,guilt, or insecurity.”   http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/6575625921 9:06 PM Dec 11th 2009

Rick Warrens Bio on Twitter says:

Bio:   Champion of planters/pastors/worship ldrs. Cheerleader/mentor for next gen leaders. Tell me-I’ll follow u. Trained 400,000 pastors in162 nations. Loves doubters  http://twitter.com/RickWarren

Prior to that Rick Warren said this:

“Love isnt letting people do whatever they want. That’s often cowardice or apathy. Love cares enough to tell the truth.”  http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/5605843093  3:22 AM Nov 11th 2009

What Rick means is this;  if a genuine Christian stands up for the Gospel of Jesus Christ and tries to correct error with the Truth, so that people are not led astray, they portray themselves as insecure in their beliefs, are unloving and sarcastic.

However he also says that loving someone entails telling them the truth and correcting the errors so that they are not led astray.  If you don’t tell the truth you portray yourself as a coward and are apathetic to those around you.

Um… comments anyone?  I’m not sure what to do.  If I say something to correct this contradiction I am insecure in my beliefs, weak and have no idea what I am taking about.  If I don’t try help Rick see that this is a blatant contradiction then I am a coward and unloving.

Gosh. What a dilemma this is.  I am so confused lol.

No wonder the world is in the state it’s in.

Recipe for Disaster:

Take a very large pot – throw in mankind, throw in unscrupulous amounts of money, slowly remove the Word of God, add heaps of addiction, add a lot of debt, turn up the heat, then sow tremendous amounts of confusion, let it simmer, then reap the world.  Don’t forget that it’s made with Love — www.discerningtheworld.com

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>>I’m just going to carry on discerning here if you don’t mind :)

>>The Bible tells you to not delve into the occult or follow after things that are not glorifying to Jesus Christ. You have exposed >>yourself with your comment that you seek after things OUTSIDE of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and puff yourself up because you know >>dark knowledge.

>>Well Richard, sorry for you, but…

>>James 4:7-8 “7 Submit therefore to God Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you >>Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.”

Well perhaps Rick Warren was not holding fast to God and resisting the devil when he planned this. How has my comment on his possible motive suddenly become my spiritual position. You have taken a giant leap here and have absolutely no right to be assassinating me or allowing others to do so. This has become about my character now and you guys sound pretty much like a bunch of evolutionists now. The easiest response is to call me stupid. I think there is a scripture about that.

>>This is why I questioned you to prove that you do not hold fast to that which is ONLY Godly.

>>1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 “21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil.”

My knowledge is no indicator of my position or faith . Study to make yourself approved. The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.

>>You comments and the words you speak imitate the evil that you know so well…

>>3 John 11 “Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen >>God,”

Deborah you will answer for the words that you speak. From your mouth come curses and blessings. You seem to be intent on destroying peoples characters. Not everyone can be false or evil. There must be some who are good. Perhaps I might change my perceptions which you leave if you could perhaps now list the names of those ministers who you do approve of. If you approve of none then who is left to teach the gospel. Even Rick Warren will in all likelyhood see heaven its his work and the moties of his work which will be placed on the alter.

>>Only those with wicked minds would want to know or learn about Satan. A Child of God is not interested in evil…
>>This is a very naive and childish statement. Many people are possessed and influenced by demons. Even within the church. The tears >>and the wheat grow in the same field. Study to show yourself approved. Without knowledge and wisdom no one would be able to set >>the captives free. When you have done all, Fasted and prayed for many days and are unable to help the captive you too if you have >>compassion for them would go and study to gain the knowledge required to set them free. Besides just a study of the book of Job >>is enough to enlighten one.

>>1 John 4:4 “4You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the >>world.”

>>And to you Richard….

>>Romans 8:31 “What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us”

>>You are hostile towards God when you follow evil doctrines of this world.

Who are you implying is following evil doctrine, me or Rick Warren. You certainly do not have the information at your disposal to decide if I am. Because of that fact you are out of line with your comments.

>>James 4:4 4You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to >>be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

>>Boasting that you know about evil doctrines shows who your ‘father’ is.

Boasting? I boast in the Lord Jesus Christ. You wrote the blog! You called for comment, Why did you do that to insult me? Why didn’t you state what was acceptable to you and what wasn’t.
Out of your mouth come blessings and cursings! What do you choose to do Deborah?

>>1 John 2:15-17 “15 Do not love the world nor the things in the world If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in >>him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from >>the Father, but is from the world. 17 The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives >>forever.”

>>If you are truly a Christian…you would not be conforming to this world and listening to Satan’s lies…

Conforming to this world how? By knowing my enemy? Did Christ know his enemy. Doesn’t His holy Spirit dwell in me. Doesn’t John say he is my teacher and I require no other?

>>Romans 12:2 “2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what >>the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

>>You should know that Satan is the FATHER of Lies. Anything you learnt outside of a Christians ‘comfort zone’ is a lie. God has >>told you this over and over and over again.

Anything you learnt outside of a Christians ‘comfort zone’ is a lie.

My goodness where did you get that from? “Comfort Zone” It seems to me you are a loose cannon and submit to no one. You appear to have absolutely no respect for anyone. In doing so you stand the very real possibility of grieving the Holy Spirit who dwells in many of us. You cannot curse people with your venom and get away from it. Turning on me to cover you many attacks on so many men and women of God and encouraging others to agree with you, is damaging to the kingdom. I am sorry I posted. I should have read your whole site first. I didn’t. You are actually not helping God you are hindering him Since anyone who reads this now realises that the kingdom suffers violence from within. We are not even in agreement with each other so how could we ever be a force against the enemy. I do believe Rick Warrens plan is not so much Holy Spirit inspired and rather has the influence of other spirits, But this does not mean nothing he does benefits the kingdom.

>>…. the evil one (Matthew 13:19; 1 John 2:13)
>>…. the author of all evil (Luke 10:19)
>>…. a murderer and the father of lies (John 8:44)
>>…. the prince of this world (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11)
>>…. prince of the powers of the air, the spirit that now works in the sons of disobedience (Ephesians 2:2)
>>…. power of darkness (Colossians 1:13)
>>…. an adversary, like a roaring lion who walks about seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8)

>>Something you seemed to do quite well in all your comments to me:

Well something you seem to have made a purpose of doing to all you have commented about. Your blog is discerning the world. Discerning what? We discern the spirits Deborah. So if you are discerning the spirits then what are we talking about discerning if it is the Holy Spirit or ???? What spirit. And evil spirit??? So does knowing the nature of the spirit dicerned now make me evil??

Come now you take this too far.

>>…. the accuser of our brethren who accuses Christians before God day and night (Revelation 12:10)

Are you so wise that you have become deceived? No I have not become deceived but isn’t your blog purely about accusing the brethren? or have I missed something. I mean you have even attacked Angus Buckan, You have not been able to find much but imply that there may be reason to suspect he is also motivate by evil. Looks like he’s doing good but….

>>Proverbs 14:8 “The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.”

>>Is your god the corrupted one who mas made you follow after demons instead of the Glory of God?

Follow after?? Too far Deborah!

>>Romans 1:22-23 “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image >>made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things”

Amen Sister Amen!

>>So Richard…

>>Romans 13:12 “12 The night is almost gone, and the day is near Therefore let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the >>armor of light.”

>>And thank you for not wanting to share with us your ghastly lying doctrine because…

>>Philippians 4:8 “8 Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is >>lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.”

Providing some information has determined that my doctrine is evil, my faith is in satan? Deborah, Your whole body of work speaks for you. I cannot find anything which edifys in this body of work. Knowledge is power. A little knowledge would not have done you viewers any harm.

Never the less Deborah, Christ too had his reputation attacked, Christ too was called many things. I’m sure I’ll survive your insults. You complained about my comments to you. I didnt attack you. I drew your attention to your writings. I say your body of work speaks on your behalf. The fruit what is the fruit? I didn’t say you were from your father the devil. Why? Well for respect to the Holy Spirit who dwells within you. See I am presuming you are already saved by water and the spirit.
I do not take your ability to regurgitate scripture as any evidence of that. Satan also knows scripture.

Johann Wier (1583) (quoted)
Orias is a great marquesse, and is seene as a lion riding on a strong horsse, with a serpents taile, and carrieth in his right hand two great serpents hissing, he knoweth the mansion of planets and perfectlie teacheth the vertues of the starres, he transformeth men, he giveth dignities, prelacies, and confirmations, and also the favour of freends and foes, and hath under him thirtie legions.

Goetia – S. L. MacGregor Mathers (1904) (quoted)
The Fifty-ninth Spirit is Oriax, or Orias or Oriah. He is a Great Marquis, and appeareth in the Form of a Lion,26 riding upon a Horse Mighty and Strong, with a Serpent’s Tail; and he holdeth in his Right Hand two Great Serpents hissing. His Office is to teach the Virtues of the Stars, and to know the Mansions of the Planets, and how to understand their Virtues. He also transformeth Men, and he giveth Dignities, Prelacies, and Confirmation thereof; also Favour with Friends and with Foes. He doth govern 30 Legions of Spirits; and his Seal is this, etc.

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[EDITED: Richard, please go and spread your ‘knowledge’ elsewhere.]


Having had my own experience with the demonic (no names known)I am accutely aware and spiritually discerning of the world around me. With that said I was drawn to different sites trying to learn more about the ‘church growth movement’etc and arrived here. I don’t propose to be knowlegable about scripture but like the song says, ‘my soul is thirsty’. I want and need to know so much more.

Elmarie A


You have allot of reading to to. I pray you find info here of value to you. The most important part is to read and study The Word, first and foremost.

John 4:12-14 (New International Version)
12Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his flocks and herds?” 13Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

Elmarie A

“‘church growth movement’etc”

Please define what you mean.

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