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		By: John Andrews UK/Ireland		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;john kangas,
Thanks for letting me know that “the tongue” in Psalm 39:3 has nothing to do with glossalalia. I couldn’t have known if you had not informed me. Do you speak in tongues? You should you know because it is the evidence that you have been filled with the fire of the Holy Ghost, is it not?
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Thomas - walk away. Dust off your feet.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>john kangas,<br />
Thanks for letting me know that “the tongue” in Psalm 39:3 has nothing to do with glossalalia. I couldn’t have known if you had not informed me. Do you speak in tongues? You should you know because it is the evidence that you have been filled with the fire of the Holy Ghost, is it not?
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<p>Thomas &#8211; walk away. Dust off your feet.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/20/playing-the-pharisee-card/#comment-301608</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 06:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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john kangas,

Thanks for letting me know that &quot;the tongue&quot; in Psalm 39:3 has nothing to do with glossalalia. I couldn&#039;t have known if you had not informed me. Do you speak in tongues? You should you know because it is the evidence that you have been filled with the fire of the Holy Ghost, is it not?]]></description>
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<p>john kangas,</p>
<p>Thanks for letting me know that &#8220;the tongue&#8221; in Psalm 39:3 has nothing to do with glossalalia. I couldn&#8217;t have known if you had not informed me. Do you speak in tongues? You should you know because it is the evidence that you have been filled with the fire of the Holy Ghost, is it not?</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 06:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/20/playing-the-pharisee-card/#comment-301492&quot;&gt;john kangas&lt;/a&gt;.

john kangas,

You must learn to read the Bible in context.

David mused about (meditated on) the brevity of life and his suffering at the hands of his enemies, and therefore resolved not to sin by his words (his tongue). And this was precisely the reason why he kept silent in the presence of his enemies (unlike you who love to spurt words of judgement upon me.) When he no longer could remain silent because a hot desire in his heart urged him to speak, he said these words:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Psa 39:4  LORD, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am. 
Psa 39:5  Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah. 
Psa 39:6  Surely every man walketh in a vain shew: surely they are disquieted in vain: he heapeth up riches, and knoweth not who shall gather them. 
Psa 39:7  And now, Lord, what wait I for? my hope is in thee. 
Psa 39:8  Deliver me from all my transgressions: make me not the reproach of the foolish. 
Psa 39:9  I was dumb, I opened not my mouth; because thou didst it. 
Psa 39:10  Remove thy stroke away from me: I am consumed by the blow of thine hand. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

David expressed the same warmth in his bones when he kept silent about his sin in Psalm 32.

&lt;blockquote&gt;When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long. For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah. I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. (Psa 32:3-5).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

None of the above speak of the fire of the Holy Spirit. How could it when He had not been poured out then. David is merely expressing his feelings.

You cannot conclude that when you see words like &quot;hot,&quot; &quot;warm,&quot; &quot;burned&quot;  etc. in the Bible that it refers to the fire of trhe Holy Spirit. That&#039;s just plain childishness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/20/playing-the-pharisee-card/#comment-301492" >john kangas</a>.</p>
<p>john kangas,</p>
<p>You must learn to read the Bible in context.</p>
<p>David mused about (meditated on) the brevity of life and his suffering at the hands of his enemies, and therefore resolved not to sin by his words (his tongue). And this was precisely the reason why he kept silent in the presence of his enemies (unlike you who love to spurt words of judgement upon me.) When he no longer could remain silent because a hot desire in his heart urged him to speak, he said these words:</p>
<blockquote><p>Psa 39:4  LORD, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am.<br />
Psa 39:5  Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.<br />
Psa 39:6  Surely every man walketh in a vain shew: surely they are disquieted in vain: he heapeth up riches, and knoweth not who shall gather them.<br />
Psa 39:7  And now, Lord, what wait I for? my hope is in thee.<br />
Psa 39:8  Deliver me from all my transgressions: make me not the reproach of the foolish.<br />
Psa 39:9  I was dumb, I opened not my mouth; because thou didst it.<br />
Psa 39:10  Remove thy stroke away from me: I am consumed by the blow of thine hand. </p></blockquote>
<p>David expressed the same warmth in his bones when he kept silent about his sin in Psalm 32.</p>
<blockquote><p>When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long. For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah. I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. (Psa 32:3-5).</p></blockquote>
<p>None of the above speak of the fire of the Holy Spirit. How could it when He had not been poured out then. David is merely expressing his feelings.</p>
<p>You cannot conclude that when you see words like &#8220;hot,&#8221; &#8220;warm,&#8221; &#8220;burned&#8221;  etc. in the Bible that it refers to the fire of trhe Holy Spirit. That&#8217;s just plain childishness.</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/20/playing-the-pharisee-card/#comment-301596</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 06:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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john kangas

I have tried my level best to make you understand that there is a literal fire (Luke 9:55) and a metaphor for a fire. I have also tried to explain to you that fire is often a symbol (metphor) of vengeance in the Bible ( Isa 5:24; Isa 61:2; Isa 66:24). Yet you persist in judging me. You say you love me? Thatr&#039;s a lie because if you had you would not have judged me and said things like &quot; i pray God opens the eyes of your heart and takes out that stony heart so you grant Jesus’ wish and allow Him to kindle the “fire” in you as well.&quot; With that you emphatically told me that I am not saved. Is that what the fire in you likes to do to other people?

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<p>john kangas</p>
<p>I have tried my level best to make you understand that there is a literal fire (Luke 9:55) and a metaphor for a fire. I have also tried to explain to you that fire is often a symbol (metphor) of vengeance in the Bible ( Isa 5:24; Isa 61:2; Isa 66:24). Yet you persist in judging me. You say you love me? Thatr&#8217;s a lie because if you had you would not have judged me and said things like &#8221; i pray God opens the eyes of your heart and takes out that stony heart so you grant Jesus’ wish and allow Him to kindle the “fire” in you as well.&#8221; With that you emphatically told me that I am not saved. Is that what the fire in you likes to do to other people?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t bother to write a comment here again.</p>
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		By: john kangas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 05:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(...the &quot;tongue&quot; in Psalm 39:3 has nothing to do with glossalalia i just felt moved by the Spirit to &quot;speak up&quot; once more concerning the &quot;fire&quot; of Matt.3:11 and Luke 12:49 etc. or in this case &quot;post up.&quot;:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(&#8230;the &#8220;tongue&#8221; in Psalm 39:3 has nothing to do with glossalalia i just felt moved by the Spirit to &#8220;speak up&#8221; once more concerning the &#8220;fire&#8221; of Matt.3:11 and Luke 12:49 etc. or in this case &#8220;post up.&#8221;:)</p>
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		By: john kangas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i was not going to bother ever clicking on this site ever again because i do not believe you have ears that hear or eyes that see at present but yesterday at church the Pastor asked us to turn to Psalm 139 but i mistakenly turned to Psalm 39 and read the first 3 verses before i realized i was mistaken. i was meditating about this blindness to the truth on God&#039;s Holy Fire and your apparent interest in Christianity...Psalm 39:3 says &quot;My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue.&quot; I truly hope God uses this to free you from your cold  Christianity into the Holy Fire-light of Truth. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was not going to bother ever clicking on this site ever again because i do not believe you have ears that hear or eyes that see at present but yesterday at church the Pastor asked us to turn to Psalm 139 but i mistakenly turned to Psalm 39 and read the first 3 verses before i realized i was mistaken. i was meditating about this blindness to the truth on God&#8217;s Holy Fire and your apparent interest in Christianity&#8230;Psalm 39:3 says &#8220;My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue.&#8221; I truly hope God uses this to free you from your cold  Christianity into the Holy Fire-light of Truth. 🙂</p>
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		By: john kangas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thomas, i choose not to return evil with evil concerning your mean little post to me. But duly noted on the haughtiness and i will also endeavor to keep my spiritual ears and eyes open.   i have no idea what Alpha Course is. i love the Lord and i love you as well so i will attempt one more time. (Titus 3:10) If you continue to believe and preach that the &quot;fire&quot; of Matt. 3:11 and Luke 12:49 is just some wrathful judgement fire that smokes unbelievers on that Day.(2Thess. 2:8 tells us He will consume the Wicked with the Spirit of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming. Where is your wrathful judgement fire?) When Jesus comes in &quot;flaming fire&quot; with His mighty angels to take vengeance on them that do not know God if you know not the Holy Fire Jesus wishes to kindle which is the Spiritually discerned manifestation of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit then that is it will be a destroying fire be to you. To me it will be the glorious brightness of His coming/appearing that has already been kindled in my heart, mind, and soul just like He wished and i pray God opens the eyes of your heart and takes out that stony heart so you grant Jesus&#039; wish and allow Him to kindle the &quot;fire&quot; in you as well. He tells us He must first be baptized/crucified so that His &quot;saving&quot; not &quot;destroying&quot; work of salvation on the cross is accomplished (Luke12:50) To believe/preach this &#039;fire&#039; is just a destroying fire of Judgement and not the Holy glorious fire of God that illuminates the soul of the True disciple A Holy Spiritual fire that cause His disciples to burn with zeal and loving compassion for God and others, for his Word, for the lost, to surrender to this Holy fire our Lord has come to send and He tells us He was wishing was kindled. If you believe the &quot;fire&quot; our Lord was refering to is a destroying fire then you believe in a false Christ. (Luke 12:49,50) Your hatred toward me, unbelief, and demonic take on this &quot;Fire&quot; is the division (Luke 12:51) Jesus is taking about concerning this &quot;fire.&quot;   I did a little research and it was precisely this false demonic doctrine people believed and preached that made it o.k. for them to BURN PEOPLE ALIVE in the name of God. Not only is your doctrine on this &quot;fire&quot; false NONSENSE it is dangerously demonic. I will try with Jesus one more time to correct you concerning your heart and belief about this &quot;fire&quot; our Savior (not Destroyer) is wishing to kindle is the glorious manifesting power,light, zeal,supernatural help to be purified from sin (refiners fire is a great analogy but you seem to think that too is from the devil)its the Divine spark evidenced and Spiritually discerned, that loving Glory Light glint in the eye of the True disciple of the divine Presence... when His disciples asked if fire should be called down on an unbelieving town like Elias did He REBUKED THEM!!! and said, &quot;you do not know what spirit you are of.&quot; now pay real close attention Thomas to verse 50; FOR THE SON OF MAN IS NOT COME TO DESTROY MEN&#039;S LIVES BUT TO SAVE THEM. If you still believe that the &quot;fire&quot; of Matt.3:11 and Luke 12:49 is just a destroying fire of wrath and judgement i pray someday you will know the True Jesus and i knock the dust off my cyber-sandals take my shalom and get this site behind me and keep stepping.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, i choose not to return evil with evil concerning your mean little post to me. But duly noted on the haughtiness and i will also endeavor to keep my spiritual ears and eyes open.   i have no idea what Alpha Course is. i love the Lord and i love you as well so i will attempt one more time. (Titus 3:10) If you continue to believe and preach that the &#8220;fire&#8221; of Matt. 3:11 and Luke 12:49 is just some wrathful judgement fire that smokes unbelievers on that Day.(2Thess. 2:8 tells us He will consume the Wicked with the Spirit of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming. Where is your wrathful judgement fire?) When Jesus comes in &#8220;flaming fire&#8221; with His mighty angels to take vengeance on them that do not know God if you know not the Holy Fire Jesus wishes to kindle which is the Spiritually discerned manifestation of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit then that is it will be a destroying fire be to you. To me it will be the glorious brightness of His coming/appearing that has already been kindled in my heart, mind, and soul just like He wished and i pray God opens the eyes of your heart and takes out that stony heart so you grant Jesus&#8217; wish and allow Him to kindle the &#8220;fire&#8221; in you as well. He tells us He must first be baptized/crucified so that His &#8220;saving&#8221; not &#8220;destroying&#8221; work of salvation on the cross is accomplished (Luke12:50) To believe/preach this &#8216;fire&#8217; is just a destroying fire of Judgement and not the Holy glorious fire of God that illuminates the soul of the True disciple A Holy Spiritual fire that cause His disciples to burn with zeal and loving compassion for God and others, for his Word, for the lost, to surrender to this Holy fire our Lord has come to send and He tells us He was wishing was kindled. If you believe the &#8220;fire&#8221; our Lord was refering to is a destroying fire then you believe in a false Christ. (Luke 12:49,50) Your hatred toward me, unbelief, and demonic take on this &#8220;Fire&#8221; is the division (Luke 12:51) Jesus is taking about concerning this &#8220;fire.&#8221;   I did a little research and it was precisely this false demonic doctrine people believed and preached that made it o.k. for them to BURN PEOPLE ALIVE in the name of God. Not only is your doctrine on this &#8220;fire&#8221; false NONSENSE it is dangerously demonic. I will try with Jesus one more time to correct you concerning your heart and belief about this &#8220;fire&#8221; our Savior (not Destroyer) is wishing to kindle is the glorious manifesting power,light, zeal,supernatural help to be purified from sin (refiners fire is a great analogy but you seem to think that too is from the devil)its the Divine spark evidenced and Spiritually discerned, that loving Glory Light glint in the eye of the True disciple of the divine Presence&#8230; when His disciples asked if fire should be called down on an unbelieving town like Elias did He REBUKED THEM!!! and said, &#8220;you do not know what spirit you are of.&#8221; now pay real close attention Thomas to verse 50; FOR THE SON OF MAN IS NOT COME TO DESTROY MEN&#8217;S LIVES BUT TO SAVE THEM. If you still believe that the &#8220;fire&#8221; of Matt.3:11 and Luke 12:49 is just a destroying fire of wrath and judgement i pray someday you will know the True Jesus and i knock the dust off my cyber-sandals take my shalom and get this site behind me and keep stepping.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/20/playing-the-pharisee-card/#comment-300471&quot;&gt;john kangas&lt;/a&gt;.

john kangas,

I suggest that it is you who don&#039;t have the eyes to see and the ears tro hear. Climb down from your haughty little horse, humble yourself and admnit that you are the one who needs ears to hear.

I suspect that you have done the Alpha Course. Am I correct?]]></description>
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<p>john kangas,</p>
<p>I suggest that it is you who don&#8217;t have the eyes to see and the ears tro hear. Climb down from your haughty little horse, humble yourself and admnit that you are the one who needs ears to hear.</p>
<p>I suspect that you have done the Alpha Course. Am I correct?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2014 02:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Because you do not have eyes to see or ears to hear and i have apparently wasted my time. Shalom.]]></description>
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john kangas,

You are talkling nonsense. I don&#039;t have time to waste. You are completely unable to differentiate between a literal fire and a metaphor.

Jesus also said &quot;I am te Door.&quot; Is He a lieral door? He said &quot;I am the Bread of life.&quot; Is He a literal bread? He said that He would have gathered Jerusalem under his wings like a hen gathers her chicks. Was He a literal hen?

When I used the word &quot;universalism&quot; I did not refer to the offer of salvaiton to everyone and you now that, and yet you chose to change the subject. If &quot;the Kingdom of God is within you&quot; then the Pharisees who asked Him about the Kingdom were also baptized with the Holy Spirit and also had the fire of God within them. That&#039;s ludicrous, to say the least. ]]></description>
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<p>john kangas,</p>
<p>You are talkling nonsense. I don&#8217;t have time to waste. You are completely unable to differentiate between a literal fire and a metaphor.</p>
<p>Jesus also said &#8220;I am te Door.&#8221; Is He a lieral door? He said &#8220;I am the Bread of life.&#8221; Is He a literal bread? He said that He would have gathered Jerusalem under his wings like a hen gathers her chicks. Was He a literal hen?</p>
<p>When I used the word &#8220;universalism&#8221; I did not refer to the offer of salvaiton to everyone and you now that, and yet you chose to change the subject. If &#8220;the Kingdom of God is within you&#8221; then the Pharisees who asked Him about the Kingdom were also baptized with the Holy Spirit and also had the fire of God within them. That&#8217;s ludicrous, to say the least. </p>
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