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		By: Sharon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 22:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1Timothy 6:20  O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 

I chuckled when I read your post. So I guess you are the final authority that has determined that Christianity must &quot;reformulate&quot; to catch up with the times. We must change Holy Scripture so it is more &quot;scientific.&quot; No one, not me, not you, not every scientist on the planet knows how old the planet Earth is. Scripture doesn&#039;t say it&#039;s 6,000 years old. Nor can scientists prove the Earth and the Universe are million, zillion, years old. 

Be careful of the price you could have to pay to try to change true Christianity and especially the Word of God.

Other than the fact you sound as if you have never placed your faith in Jesus Christ, which is very sad; I&#039;m still chuckling about your thinking you or any one could change the Eternal Word of the Most High God.







Arthur wrote:
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“what this bishop demands is nothing less than the total reformulation of the Christian faith.”

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How is this a bad idea? The Church (Body of Christ) needs to stay abreast of the times. Christianity has to change its message as it has been been outdated by science. The world and universe are much older than six thousand years. That is all the Bishop is saying. Otherwise in the near future there will be no faith left just superstitious believers.

Martin Luther told us that the biggest enemy of faith is reason. Yet reason has got us to where we are today in the modern scientific world. To reverse Luther’s statement- Faith must then be the biggest enemy of reason. There has to be compromise between faith and reason and that is what the Bishop is saying. Interesting time’s ahead for all and sundry. You cannot deny established scientific evidence. So what do you do?&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1Timothy 6:20  O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: </p>
<p>I chuckled when I read your post. So I guess you are the final authority that has determined that Christianity must &#8220;reformulate&#8221; to catch up with the times. We must change Holy Scripture so it is more &#8220;scientific.&#8221; No one, not me, not you, not every scientist on the planet knows how old the planet Earth is. Scripture doesn&#8217;t say it&#8217;s 6,000 years old. Nor can scientists prove the Earth and the Universe are million, zillion, years old. </p>
<p>Be careful of the price you could have to pay to try to change true Christianity and especially the Word of God.</p>
<p>Other than the fact you sound as if you have never placed your faith in Jesus Christ, which is very sad; I&#8217;m still chuckling about your thinking you or any one could change the Eternal Word of the Most High God.</p>
<p>Arthur wrote:</p>
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“what this bishop demands is nothing less than the total reformulation of the Christian faith.”</p>
<p>…..</p>
<p>How is this a bad idea? The Church (Body of Christ) needs to stay abreast of the times. Christianity has to change its message as it has been been outdated by science. The world and universe are much older than six thousand years. That is all the Bishop is saying. Otherwise in the near future there will be no faith left just superstitious believers.</p>
<p>Martin Luther told us that the biggest enemy of faith is reason. Yet reason has got us to where we are today in the modern scientific world. To reverse Luther’s statement- Faith must then be the biggest enemy of reason. There has to be compromise between faith and reason and that is what the Bishop is saying. Interesting time’s ahead for all and sundry. You cannot deny established scientific evidence. So what do you do?</p></blockquote>
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		By: Ezigbo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2013 14:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I pity Spong and all who agree with him and hold his view point.... I pray they don&#039;t realise their end too late.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pity Spong and all who agree with him and hold his view point&#8230;. I pray they don&#8217;t realise their end too late&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Mickey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mickey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Those who who have truly received Jesus Christ and washed in his precious blood know that we live and abide in the power of the holy spirit. We do not live according to the flesh and the world&#039;s political correctness concepts. God&#039;s children is made aware of sin by the holy spirit and the word of God; which never changes to accommodate the wickedness of the world. If you are a homosexual and believe you are a christian, you are sadly deceived by the devil. The bible says that satan is a liar and the father of it. Bow down before Jesus Christ today and confess your sinful lifestyle and Jesus will give you the holy spirit so you will walk in newness of life. Jesus loves you and wants to you be free from hell&#039;s damnation today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who who have truly received Jesus Christ and washed in his precious blood know that we live and abide in the power of the holy spirit. We do not live according to the flesh and the world&#8217;s political correctness concepts. God&#8217;s children is made aware of sin by the holy spirit and the word of God; which never changes to accommodate the wickedness of the world. If you are a homosexual and believe you are a christian, you are sadly deceived by the devil. The bible says that satan is a liar and the father of it. Bow down before Jesus Christ today and confess your sinful lifestyle and Jesus will give you the holy spirit so you will walk in newness of life. Jesus loves you and wants to you be free from hell&#8217;s damnation today.</p>
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		By: Sheugnet		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 18:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I especially like how he mentions Jews, blacks and women in the same breath as homosexuals.  I know that homosexuality is a sin, but I certainly didn&#039;t know that being a WOMAN is a sin!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I especially like how he mentions Jews, blacks and women in the same breath as homosexuals.  I know that homosexuality is a sin, but I certainly didn&#8217;t know that being a WOMAN is a sin!</p>
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		By: Burning Lamp		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sadly Arthur does not have any concept of just who God is. He is trying to put man&#039;s capacity to reason on the same level as the Creator of the universe! That is the same  lie that Eve fell for in the Garden. Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever.He is the Alpha &#038; Omega and His wisdom supercedes all human reasoning.  How tragic for Arthur that he does not know the Savior because he believes the Bible needs to be updated to keep up with man&#039;s &quot;accomplishments&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly Arthur does not have any concept of just who God is. He is trying to put man&#8217;s capacity to reason on the same level as the Creator of the universe! That is the same  lie that Eve fell for in the Garden. Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever.He is the Alpha &amp; Omega and His wisdom supercedes all human reasoning.  How tragic for Arthur that he does not know the Savior because he believes the Bible needs to be updated to keep up with man&#8217;s &#8220;accomplishments&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Robbie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robbie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Arthur.
Of course there are many books, but a lot of truth mixed with lies too...

Darwin&#039;s &quot;origin of the species by means of natural selection&quot; puts death before the fall of man. Just the cover of the book is an introduction of the lies to follow.

Indeed there is a lot of reasoning for evolution, but it is all circular. I will also pray for your family and for you...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arthur.<br />
Of course there are many books, but a lot of truth mixed with lies too&#8230;</p>
<p>Darwin&#8217;s &#8220;origin of the species by means of natural selection&#8221; puts death before the fall of man. Just the cover of the book is an introduction of the lies to follow.</p>
<p>Indeed there is a lot of reasoning for evolution, but it is all circular. I will also pray for your family and for you&#8230;</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/john-shelby-spong-victory-over-biblical-christianity/#comment-216480&quot;&gt;Arthur&lt;/a&gt;.

Arthur

Even the bible makes space for Evolutionists and their ridiculous ideas...  you ask me if I have read the &#039;other important books in the Bible&#039; I think I need to ask you the same question because you know you haven&#039;t.

You know that Darwin said &lt;em&gt;&quot;It rained for millions of years on the rocks. A soup came from all this rain on the rocks and amoeba was formed. From this Amoeba, man and ALL living creatures developed&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Check this out...

Jer 2:27  &lt;strong&gt;&quot;Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth&lt;/strong&gt;: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.&quot; 
Jer 2:28  &quot;But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy trouble: for according to the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah.&quot; 

Ummm Errmmm..  Say no more..

What else would you like me test my faith with Arthur? You know that Satan tested Jesus Christ in the desert, why now are you trying to imitate Satan?

I pray you leave you dear family alone.  They have done nothing to harm you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/john-shelby-spong-victory-over-biblical-christianity/#comment-216480" >Arthur</a>.</p>
<p>Arthur</p>
<p>Even the bible makes space for Evolutionists and their ridiculous ideas&#8230;  you ask me if I have read the &#8216;other important books in the Bible&#8217; I think I need to ask you the same question because you know you haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p>You know that Darwin said <em>&#8220;It rained for millions of years on the rocks. A soup came from all this rain on the rocks and amoeba was formed. From this Amoeba, man and ALL living creatures developed&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Check this out&#8230;</p>
<p>Jer 2:27  <strong>&#8220;Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth</strong>: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.&#8221;<br />
Jer 2:28  &#8220;But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy trouble: for according to the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ummm Errmmm..  Say no more..</p>
<p>What else would you like me test my faith with Arthur? You know that Satan tested Jesus Christ in the desert, why now are you trying to imitate Satan?</p>
<p>I pray you leave you dear family alone.  They have done nothing to harm you.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/john-shelby-spong-victory-over-biblical-christianity/#comment-216480&quot;&gt;Arthur&lt;/a&gt;.

Arthur

God never loses his credibility.  If science and gnosis amalgamate you end up where you are - faithless and following another pathway away from God and His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ.]]></description>
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<p>Arthur</p>
<p>God never loses his credibility.  If science and gnosis amalgamate you end up where you are &#8211; faithless and following another pathway away from God and His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ.</p>
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		By: Arthur		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deborah have you read any other important books other than the Bible? Like books that explain - How old the world and the universe really are. I applaud your faith. I was once there. How i wish that, what you say was true. But it can,t be. As it contradicts scientific evidence. 

I do not want to change anything in the Bible. But it will have to change to keep up with modern science otherwise it will loose it,s credibility. Can you see that in any way. You are a very committed Christian. That is ok. You also come across as very intelligent and knowledgeable on sound doctrine. But if your foundation rock is secure it must with stand intense scrutiny from outside the faith. 

Anyway thank you for your interaction and your website which i  find very enjoyable and enlightening. I also once contended for the faith. My wife and family are still committed Christians.  I however for there sake try not to upset their faith with my un belief.  Maybe i should also not upset your and your readers faith as well with my scepticism?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah have you read any other important books other than the Bible? Like books that explain &#8211; How old the world and the universe really are. I applaud your faith. I was once there. How i wish that, what you say was true. But it can,t be. As it contradicts scientific evidence. </p>
<p>I do not want to change anything in the Bible. But it will have to change to keep up with modern science otherwise it will loose it,s credibility. Can you see that in any way. You are a very committed Christian. That is ok. You also come across as very intelligent and knowledgeable on sound doctrine. But if your foundation rock is secure it must with stand intense scrutiny from outside the faith. </p>
<p>Anyway thank you for your interaction and your website which i  find very enjoyable and enlightening. I also once contended for the faith. My wife and family are still committed Christians.  I however for there sake try not to upset their faith with my un belief.  Maybe i should also not upset your and your readers faith as well with my scepticism?</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/john-shelby-spong-victory-over-biblical-christianity/#comment-216450&quot;&gt;Arthur&lt;/a&gt;.

Arthur

I new there was something dodgy with you and your comments but I could not put my finger on it and now you come out and expose yourself.  

So...You want to &lt;em&gt;change &lt;/em&gt;the &lt;em&gt;message of the bible&lt;/em&gt;?  You want to &lt;em&gt;change &lt;/em&gt;the &lt;em&gt;Word of God&lt;/em&gt;?  You want to &lt;em&gt;change Jesus&lt;/em&gt;? (because Jesus Christ is the Word of God - Jesus in the Bible in Published form) So you want to change Jesus to &lt;em&gt;what&lt;/em&gt;?  I know of another individual, &lt;em&gt;Satan &lt;/em&gt;who has been trying to do the &lt;em&gt;same thing&lt;/em&gt; since this the beginning of time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/john-shelby-spong-victory-over-biblical-christianity/#comment-216450" >Arthur</a>.</p>
<p>Arthur</p>
<p>I new there was something dodgy with you and your comments but I could not put my finger on it and now you come out and expose yourself.  </p>
<p>So&#8230;You want to <em>change </em>the <em>message of the bible</em>?  You want to <em>change </em>the <em>Word of God</em>?  You want to <em>change Jesus</em>? (because Jesus Christ is the Word of God &#8211; Jesus in the Bible in Published form) So you want to change Jesus to <em>what</em>?  I know of another individual, <em>Satan </em>who has been trying to do the <em>same thing</em> since this the beginning of time.</p>
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