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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/choo-thomas-heaven-is-so-real-is-it-really/#comment-502681&quot;&gt;Barbaree&lt;/a&gt;.

Barbaree

Being a very good person means nothing to Jesus Christ. The bible says:

Jeremiah 17:9 KJV
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

You need to be born again to see heaven.

SALVATION

➡️ What does it mean to be born again and what is it that you need to understand about God and the nature of sin:

You need to understand that the God of the Bible is holy. The word “holy” means to be “separated from.” He hates sin and all the evil things mankind has done and is still doing, and cannot allow anyone whose sins are still upon them to come into his presence. That is why Jesus said, “Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.” (John 8:21). We all die because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23).

So, as you can see, we all have a huge problem. The problem is this. When people die with their sins still upon themselves like a huge burden in their hearts, they will be separated from God for all eternity (for ever and ever) in a place called The Lake of Fire which was prepared by God for the devil and his fallen angels (Matthew 25:41).

However, God does not want anyone to be cast into the Lake of Fire because He loves us too much (2 Peter 3:9).

So, he hates sin and cannot allow sinners to come into his eternal presence but also sincerely does not want them to perish in the Lake of Fire.

There was only one way to solve this problem. He sent his only begotten Son to us, who became a man just like us but without sin. He was 100% pure of sin and never sinned once during his life on earth although He was tempted to do sin just like we are. Although He was not guilty of any sin, He willingly allowed Himself to be crucified on a cross and to bear every human being’s sins who ever lived, are still alive, and will live in the future, so that his Father could righteously judge our sins in his body.

How do we receive forgiveness for our sins? Paul says in Acts, “Everyone who calls on the Name of the Lord shall be saved.” Do some people never call on his Name? (Jesus, which means “Saviour”). Most people never call on his Name because they refuse to admit that they are lost sinners. Yes, all people admit they are sinners but very little admit they are lost sinners. Only those who realize under the conviction of the Holy Spirit that they are lost and indeed on their way to hell if they do not repent, are saved. Jesus said, “When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Mark 2:17).

Jesus told Nikodemus, “You MUST be born again, and He is saying it to you if you have not yet received forgiveness for your sins. Jesus is calling you to come to Him. “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden [with sin], and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of mie; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. (Matthew 11:28-30)

➡️ Salvation – Diligently seek Jesus Christ the Son of God:

“Without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” (Hebrews 11:6)

➡️Do you want to be born again?

I want you to pray this sinners prayer, diligently seeking Jesus Christ as your Saviour. Please note this prayer will not save you, it’s what in your heart! Do you believe you are a lost sinner in desperate need of salvation? Are you truly seeking Jesus Christ the Son of God? Are you truly seeking to be born again? Are you truly seeking to change your ways? Below is an example of a prayer, you can pray your own prayer if you want.

James 5:15 “And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.”

➡️ Prayer:

“Heavenly Father, I come before you in the name of Your Son, Jesus Christ. I know that Jesus Christ is the only Way, the Truth, and the Life; and is the only Mediator between You and man. Heavenly Father, I believe that Your only begotten Son Jesus Christ paid the price for mankind through His sacrifice on the cross, He was buried, and rose again 3 days later. I acknowledge to You Lord Jesus Christ that I am a LOST sinner. You shed Your precious Blood on the cross for me, Your blood washes away my sin, covers me and cleanses me.

I am truly sorry for the sinful, shameful life I have lived. I want to repent Lord Jesus, I want to turn away from my sins but I can only do that with Your help. Please forgive me of all my sins Lord Jesus, I earnestly repent. Forgive me of my sins as I forgive anyone who has ever sinned against me, I hold no grudges anymore.

You are my Saviour Lord Jesus, only you. I truly desire to serve You, Lord Jesus. I pray that You would help me to hear Your still small voice. Heavenly Father, I want to be baptised by the Holy Spirit right now, I want the Holy Spirit to come and abide in me; I desire to be led by Your Holy Spirit so I can faithfully follow You and obey Your commandments. I want the guidance and conviction of the Holy Spirit in my life.

I want to thank you for the forgiveness of ALL my sins, and the glorious gift of salvation and everlasting life You have given me. At this very moment I acknowledge that Jesus Christ the Son of God is my Savior and according to His Word, right now I am born again, in Your mighty precious Name.

Thank You Lord Jesus, for coming into my life and thank You for saving me. Amen”

➡️ Faith in Jesus Christ alone:

FAITH: You don’t change your ways TO BE saved and/or to stay saved. Your changed life starts to take place AFTER you are born again and only through the POWER of the Holy Spirit in your life (who came to abide in you the moment you were saved).

There is nothing you can do, no work, no action that you need to do to keep your salvation.

FAITH ALONE in Jesus Christ’s to keep you is all that is needed. When you sin, you acknowledge to Jesus Christ that you have sinned, you repent and you tell Jesus you want to change your ways and you ask Jesus Christ to help you stop sinning – this is what is called dying to yourself daily. Dying to self is the continual denial of the flesh that occurs over a believer’s lifetime, and being in continual agreement with the Holy Spirit.

You have faith that Jesus and Jesus ALONE is the one that stops you from sinning, nothing you do, no physical action you take from your side can stop you from sinning – this would be of your own flesh if you stopped doing certain sins and this is not biblical.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/choo-thomas-heaven-is-so-real-is-it-really/#comment-502681" >Barbaree</a>.</p>
<p>Barbaree</p>
<p>Being a very good person means nothing to Jesus Christ. The bible says:</p>
<p>Jeremiah 17:9 KJV<br />
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?</p>
<p>You need to be born again to see heaven.</p>
<p>SALVATION</p>
<p>➡️ What does it mean to be born again and what is it that you need to understand about God and the nature of sin:</p>
<p>You need to understand that the God of the Bible is holy. The word “holy” means to be “separated from.” He hates sin and all the evil things mankind has done and is still doing, and cannot allow anyone whose sins are still upon them to come into his presence. That is why Jesus said, “Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.” (John 8:21). We all die because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23).</p>
<p>So, as you can see, we all have a huge problem. The problem is this. When people die with their sins still upon themselves like a huge burden in their hearts, they will be separated from God for all eternity (for ever and ever) in a place called The Lake of Fire which was prepared by God for the devil and his fallen angels (Matthew 25:41).</p>
<p>However, God does not want anyone to be cast into the Lake of Fire because He loves us too much (2 Peter 3:9).</p>
<p>So, he hates sin and cannot allow sinners to come into his eternal presence but also sincerely does not want them to perish in the Lake of Fire.</p>
<p>There was only one way to solve this problem. He sent his only begotten Son to us, who became a man just like us but without sin. He was 100% pure of sin and never sinned once during his life on earth although He was tempted to do sin just like we are. Although He was not guilty of any sin, He willingly allowed Himself to be crucified on a cross and to bear every human being’s sins who ever lived, are still alive, and will live in the future, so that his Father could righteously judge our sins in his body.</p>
<p>How do we receive forgiveness for our sins? Paul says in Acts, “Everyone who calls on the Name of the Lord shall be saved.” Do some people never call on his Name? (Jesus, which means “Saviour”). Most people never call on his Name because they refuse to admit that they are lost sinners. Yes, all people admit they are sinners but very little admit they are lost sinners. Only those who realize under the conviction of the Holy Spirit that they are lost and indeed on their way to hell if they do not repent, are saved. Jesus said, “When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Mark 2:17).</p>
<p>Jesus told Nikodemus, “You MUST be born again, and He is saying it to you if you have not yet received forgiveness for your sins. Jesus is calling you to come to Him. “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden [with sin], and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of mie; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. (Matthew 11:28-30)</p>
<p>➡️ Salvation – Diligently seek Jesus Christ the Son of God:</p>
<p>“Without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” (Hebrews 11:6)</p>
<p>➡️Do you want to be born again?</p>
<p>I want you to pray this sinners prayer, diligently seeking Jesus Christ as your Saviour. Please note this prayer will not save you, it’s what in your heart! Do you believe you are a lost sinner in desperate need of salvation? Are you truly seeking Jesus Christ the Son of God? Are you truly seeking to be born again? Are you truly seeking to change your ways? Below is an example of a prayer, you can pray your own prayer if you want.</p>
<p>James 5:15 “And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.”</p>
<p>➡️ Prayer:</p>
<p>“Heavenly Father, I come before you in the name of Your Son, Jesus Christ. I know that Jesus Christ is the only Way, the Truth, and the Life; and is the only Mediator between You and man. Heavenly Father, I believe that Your only begotten Son Jesus Christ paid the price for mankind through His sacrifice on the cross, He was buried, and rose again 3 days later. I acknowledge to You Lord Jesus Christ that I am a LOST sinner. You shed Your precious Blood on the cross for me, Your blood washes away my sin, covers me and cleanses me.</p>
<p>I am truly sorry for the sinful, shameful life I have lived. I want to repent Lord Jesus, I want to turn away from my sins but I can only do that with Your help. Please forgive me of all my sins Lord Jesus, I earnestly repent. Forgive me of my sins as I forgive anyone who has ever sinned against me, I hold no grudges anymore.</p>
<p>You are my Saviour Lord Jesus, only you. I truly desire to serve You, Lord Jesus. I pray that You would help me to hear Your still small voice. Heavenly Father, I want to be baptised by the Holy Spirit right now, I want the Holy Spirit to come and abide in me; I desire to be led by Your Holy Spirit so I can faithfully follow You and obey Your commandments. I want the guidance and conviction of the Holy Spirit in my life.</p>
<p>I want to thank you for the forgiveness of ALL my sins, and the glorious gift of salvation and everlasting life You have given me. At this very moment I acknowledge that Jesus Christ the Son of God is my Savior and according to His Word, right now I am born again, in Your mighty precious Name.</p>
<p>Thank You Lord Jesus, for coming into my life and thank You for saving me. Amen”</p>
<p>➡️ Faith in Jesus Christ alone:</p>
<p>FAITH: You don’t change your ways TO BE saved and/or to stay saved. Your changed life starts to take place AFTER you are born again and only through the POWER of the Holy Spirit in your life (who came to abide in you the moment you were saved).</p>
<p>There is nothing you can do, no work, no action that you need to do to keep your salvation.</p>
<p>FAITH ALONE in Jesus Christ’s to keep you is all that is needed. When you sin, you acknowledge to Jesus Christ that you have sinned, you repent and you tell Jesus you want to change your ways and you ask Jesus Christ to help you stop sinning – this is what is called dying to yourself daily. Dying to self is the continual denial of the flesh that occurs over a believer’s lifetime, and being in continual agreement with the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>You have faith that Jesus and Jesus ALONE is the one that stops you from sinning, nothing you do, no physical action you take from your side can stop you from sinning – this would be of your own flesh if you stopped doing certain sins and this is not biblical.</p>
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		By: Barbaree		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/choo-thomas-heaven-is-so-real-is-it-really/#comment-502681</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbaree]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 23:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The part of the book that really bothered me was that Choo&#039;s mother, who was a very good person, was in hell for eternity, with no way back, simply because she did not &quot;accept&quot; Jesus, whom she never knew anything about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The part of the book that really bothered me was that Choo&#8217;s mother, who was a very good person, was in hell for eternity, with no way back, simply because she did not &#8220;accept&#8221; Jesus, whom she never knew anything about.</p>
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		By: Twanette Fourie		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/choo-thomas-heaven-is-so-real-is-it-really/#comment-497874</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Twanette Fourie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2023 19:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Any churches anybody can direct me to in the Pretoria area? I am really desperate for a church family.]]></description>
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		By: Twanette Fourie		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/choo-thomas-heaven-is-so-real-is-it-really/#comment-497873</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Twanette Fourie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2023 19:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is there somewhere on this website where I can search for churches that hold to the DTW statement of faith or at least fairly close to it? I am situated in Pretoria. Really desperate for a church family.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there somewhere on this website where I can search for churches that hold to the DTW statement of faith or at least fairly close to it? I am situated in Pretoria. Really desperate for a church family.</p>
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		By: Twanette Fourie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Twanette Fourie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2023 19:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for taking the time to comment on this book. It is invaluable for me. I have critiqued this book for so many believers. It will be great to forward this article.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for taking the time to comment on this book. It is invaluable for me. I have critiqued this book for so many believers. It will be great to forward this article.</p>
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		By: Jay		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/choo-thomas-heaven-is-so-real-is-it-really/#comment-494673</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2019 20:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Robbie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robbie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2019 06:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great Alta... you heed the warning - Jer 23:16  Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Alta&#8230; you heed the warning &#8211; Jer 23:16  Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. </p>
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		By: Alta		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alta]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m very late to this conversation.  I also read the book, way back when, on the recommendation of a good (albeit deceived) friend.  
I experienced exactly what others did - a hopelessless and fearfulness, that I was not obedient and special enough to be saved.  In fact, I felt myself to be one of the &quot;lost Christians&quot;, dressed in the sand coloured robes in CT&#039;s brown desert.  It plunged me into a works salvation mentality and took me some time to get over that. 
Thank God for true discernment minstries! 
I must go through my library and see if I still have that book - if I do, it is bound for the paper recycling bin...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very late to this conversation.  I also read the book, way back when, on the recommendation of a good (albeit deceived) friend.<br />
I experienced exactly what others did &#8211; a hopelessless and fearfulness, that I was not obedient and special enough to be saved.  In fact, I felt myself to be one of the &#8220;lost Christians&#8221;, dressed in the sand coloured robes in CT&#8217;s brown desert.  It plunged me into a works salvation mentality and took me some time to get over that.<br />
Thank God for true discernment minstries!<br />
I must go through my library and see if I still have that book &#8211; if I do, it is bound for the paper recycling bin&#8230;</p>
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		By: Alison Hop Hing		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, that&#039;s interesting, I will check that out, thank you]]></description>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/choo-thomas-heaven-is-so-real-is-it-really/#comment-492880</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 11:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/choo-thomas-heaven-is-so-real-is-it-really/#comment-492085&quot;&gt;Alison Hop Hing&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Alison Hop Hing

Thank you for your comment, sorry for the late reply.

You said: do you really believe that Jesus appearing to Muslims in dreams is false?

Absolutely. The man that appears to Muslims in dreams is mostly dressed in white and looks like pictures of the Roman Catholic Jesus Christ that Leonardo Da Vinci painted and over the years this painting has changed into other depictions of what Jesus Christ is supposed to look like.

This is not Jesus Christ, but a false Christ.  Do some research and you will notice that Muslims converted to Christianity via visitation of a Jesus like figure mostly covert to Catholicism because Mary has an entire chapter dedicated to her in the Koran - who gave birth to the PROPHET Jesus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/27/choo-thomas-heaven-is-so-real-is-it-really/#comment-492085" >Alison Hop Hing</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Alison Hop Hing</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment, sorry for the late reply.</p>
<p>You said: do you really believe that Jesus appearing to Muslims in dreams is false?</p>
<p>Absolutely. The man that appears to Muslims in dreams is mostly dressed in white and looks like pictures of the Roman Catholic Jesus Christ that Leonardo Da Vinci painted and over the years this painting has changed into other depictions of what Jesus Christ is supposed to look like.</p>
<p>This is not Jesus Christ, but a false Christ.  Do some research and you will notice that Muslims converted to Christianity via visitation of a Jesus like figure mostly covert to Catholicism because Mary has an entire chapter dedicated to her in the Koran &#8211; who gave birth to the PROPHET Jesus.</p>
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