Kobus van Rensburg – Self Anointed Prophet

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Kobus van Rensburg – Self Anointed Prophet

Kobus van Rensburg (Spirit Word Ministries) is a ‘prophet’ from South Africa. He follows the word of faith doctrine and dominion theology. I have watched him a few times on TV and all I can do is just shake my head in dismay – he is one of those preachers that can talk for hours but says nothing. When he gives a prophecy it rhymes like a poem! And he views himself in a very good light as being extremely sought after to bring the ‘good news’ to the nations.

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KOBUS THE PROPHET:

kobusvanrensburg-aboutKobus van Rensburg has appointed himself as a prophet and Kobus van Rensburg has a pace setting church. I ask, how can one set the pace of Christianity? No human can determine the future of the Church. I think what Kobus means by this statement is that he (along with many other so called ministers) are setting the pace for deception and the ushering in of the anti-Christ. His Church’s main focus is signs and wonders – interestingly enough these signs, miracles and wonders appear without the preaching of salvation. Miracles only ever happened in the New Testament after the Word was preached, to confirm Gods Word of salvation, never before.

T.B. JOHSUA AND KOBUS VAN RENSBURG:

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Kobus says that he and his wife are the ‘sole’ founders of Spirit Word Ministries. So is he saying that God had nothing to do with it? Hmmmm…But here is the clincher. Kobus went to see T. B. Joshua. Now, if you don’t know who T. B. Joshua is, then let me give you a brief outline. T. B. Joshua is also a self proclaimed prophet that has openly commented that he was born with his power.He produces ‘miracles’ like it’s going out of fashion and says they are from God.

He has a big poster hanging in is temple that says; ‘There is no deity (god) except Allah.’  And then a crucifix hangs near the poster.” There is no question that Joshua sends mixed signals. Although he prays in the name of Jesus, many of his methods are unorthodox. He converses with angels during sermons, speaks of traveling to other places in the spirit realm and has been known to ask people to walk through the audience naked to prove their healings. Some Nigerian leaders claim that animal sacrifices have been performed in Joshua’s church to generate a source for occult power. The pastors contend that this is the reason Joshua does not travel to other countries to conduct meetings.” 1

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Now Kobus says that the ‘signs and wonders’ in his church increased after he visited T. B. Joshua and the ‘Holy Spirit’ fell on him in a ‘very special way’. Last time I checked when one becomes saved you instantly receive the Holy Spirit for he leads us into all truth and is our comforter. You don’t get saved and then on another occasion receive the Holy Spirit. There is not a second or third time either to receive the Holy Spirit. When you accept Jesus into your life the Holy Spirit comes to abide in you immediately. He is not just attached to specific people and He is not more powerful with certain people either and He certainly cannot be transferred through touch or whatever medium T. B. Joshua used to pass this spirit onto Kobus van Rensburg. So Kobus with all his godly anointing went and sought after a man with demonic power and it was passed onto him. Remembering that T. B. Joshua said he was born with his power…so it does not come from God to begin with.

PS:  there is only ONE anointing Kobus – not multiple ones and this ONE anointing is NOT transferable.

Kobus says he is bringing the ‘Light and Fresh Glory’ into the church of Jesus Christ. What a horrendous comment to make. Jesus Christ is the Light and Glory of the church. But Kobus says he now brings fresh light and fresh glory into the church as though the message that Jesus Christ taught, that’s stood the test of time is stale. So Jesus, salvation and repentance of sin, the complete gospel message of the cross is boring and what Jesus spoke has no relevance in this day and age.

You go on to say that you are a sought after pastor because you ‘reveal present day truths’. What on earth does that mean? There is nothing new over and above the bible; the Word of God remains the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Yet you expand on the bible and bring forth new revelation constantly. The old message is no longer applicable to this 21st century, the old message no longer applies to our world and culture and this is why there is a NEW message with NEW truths. Well I am sorry Kobus, but there are no new truths and no new revelations, and anyone who claims to have such things preaches a gospel that is contrary to the true gospel of Jesus Christ.  If you claim the Word of God as final and at the same time claim you have new truths for this day and age then you contradict yourself – which is it?  You can’t have your cake and eat it.

WHAT HAPPENS AT SPIRIT WORD MINISTRIES

Watch his videos on his website where he slays people in the spirit. He uses words like BAM BAM (I wonder if he taught Todd Bentley?) as he knocks people over with his invisible power like he is some kind of super hero. But interestingly enough he also makes a swoosh sound which I have heard before in other preachers who slay people using the same ‘spirit’. Who are you channeling Kobus?  No where in the bible is anyone knocked over like this, and when people did fall it was in judgment or willingly in reverence to our Lord Jesus.  – The manifestations of your ‘holy spirit’ are likened to Kundalini.

Kobus says that in meetings where he is preaching Jesus Christ is really showing up.  Really?  Wonder if he is speaking about Himself.

Jesus specifically said in:

Matthew 24: 23

“Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christ’s, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

Kobus, tsk, tsk…have you considered that the Jesus that is showing up is a false Christ (let me explain further; a fake Jesus Christ) or are you making this up to deceive others into thinking you are really anointed, that Jesus Christ Himself would grace you with His presence?

ADVERTISEMENT FOR A CRUCIFIX ON THEIR WEBSITE:

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AND THEY FOUND WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR:

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Why are you seeking a Roman Catholic Crucifix? With all your ‘anointing’ (multiple ones at that), how did you come to ignore the Holy Spirit on this issue? Did you wake up one morning with biblical amnesia and forget that Roman Catholicism is anti-Christ? Or is it because you actually believe in Ecumenism and that one day soon you will have a sermon on the Holy Mother of God and another sermon on all religions lead to one God? Judging by the fact that you visited T. B. Joshua I would say the latter rings very true.

Jesus Said It Is Finished!  

By Keith Green:  The Catholic Chronicles 2

“Every true believer loves the sound of these words: It is finished! (John 19:30). For it is the wonderful exclamation that the Lords suffering was finally over – He had fulfilled His mission! Jesus had lived a Life of Sorrow, bearing the burden of a world gone mad. He had been rejected by everyone, even His closest friends. He had lived a perfect life before men and God, and His reward on earth was to be laughed at, spat upon, beaten beyond recognition, and finally nailed to a cross. But He had submitted willingly, because it was the will of His Father to offer Him as the satisfaction of the penalty for all the sin in the world – past, present and future!

But here, in the words of a Roman Catholic priest, is the true meaning of the words it is finished! These words do not declare that His sacrifice was finished, but that He had finished His former, normal, earthly life and was now fixed in the state of a victim. He then began His everlasting career as the perpetual sacrifice of the new law. Hence, according to Rome, Jesus must be forever perpetually dying for sin.

Have you ever wondered why in every Catholic Church they still have Jesus up on the cross? Every crucifix with Jesus portrayed as nailed to it, tells the whole Catholic story – Jesus is still dying for the sins of the world! But that’s a lie! We need only look to the Scriptures to see the truth.”

SIGNED PRAYER CLOTH:

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It says, “God has really anointed Prophet Kobus van Rensburg in this ministry of miracles. Carry this cloth with you or just put your hand on the hand of Prophet Kobus & agree for your miracle.”You’ve got to be kidding. Just put your hand on the hand of Prophet Kobus and agree for your miracle? – with advertising and everything printed on the same cloth.Are you God? Oh wait, you follow word of faith/dominion theology;  of which Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Morris Cerullo, T. D. Jakes and a whole host of others say ‘yes, I am a god’  This is Latter Rain Manifest Sons of God teaching. They believe that when you accept Jesus Christ into your life you actually start to become like Christ, you become a little god…really…I wish I was kidding, but its true people.

It’s not that God has anointed Kobus, it’s that Kobus has a little god anointing.

Folks, I don’t know what kind of spirit comes with this cloth (well actually I do), and it is NOT of God. The spirit that is passed on at these meetings is a counterfeit holy spirit that appears good but is not. I am told that people are really healed when Kobus prays for them. I don’t doubt that for one second. Satan can perform healing and he is not dividing his kingdom if he takes away an illness and gives you something more damaging, like making sure you follow Kobus’ false teachings right into his clutches.

REVIVAL:

On Kobus’ website in the following sermon:4

“Kobus says, only when the all things have been restored will Jesus come again. He is going to stay in heaven at the right hand of the Father. From God’s presence must first come times of refreshing. That refreshing will cause the restoration. If we seek God, we will get revival. If revival comes, restoration of all the things of which the prophets of old spoke about will come and then Jesus will return.”

Africanaquatics says:3

“This is Restoration/Dominion theology which advocates that Christians should take power of the earth, create dominion and then, only then, will Jesus come back. Not only does this belittle and demean our Saviour, but it makes men into little demi-gods. What is fundamental to understanding the last days before Jesus comes back, is the fact that Jesus Himself said there would be an APOSTASY, a falling away, before He comes back. NOT a Revival! Anyone who preaches or prophesies revival of the western church (the church of Laodicea) in the last days is biblically illiterate.

The Laodicean church is lukewarm, comfortable, rich, preaching what people want to hear, not what they should be hearing and if you read Revelation 3, Jesus is ready to spit this church out of His mouth! How true this is of the church of today!”

What does the Bible say?

2 Tim 4: 3-4

“3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”

2 Peter 2: 1-3

“But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.”

Jer 5: 30-31

“30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; 31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so.”

KOBUS VAN RENSBURG ON CARTE BLANCHE – 21 Aug 2005 [5]

Well know, this is telling.  Ruda Landman interviews Kobus van Rensburg with regards to his ministry and healings. Quotes below:

Ruda Landman (Carte Blanche presenter): ‘How does it feel when you’re standing there and this power, this spirit, is running through you?’

Kobus: ‘It’s not me. I think it is I have found a secret how to allow God to flow through me. Like a big pipe that is connected to the water tower; if you open it, the water will come out.’

[DTW note:  You have found the secret?  Why is it a secret Kobus?  Where in the Bible does God have secrets and why are you the only one with this secret and no one else?  The only knowledge that is secretive is the Occult;  hidden wisdom.]

Ruda: ‘Don’t you think it could be dangerous, sometimes physically dangerous, that there are things that might be happening that you don’t… you are not a doctor… you don’t understand what is going on?’

Kobus: ‘No I don’t think so. I think I am busywith God’s business and God will vindicate for us. I am not trying to exalt Kobus van Rensburg, I am not trying to exalt myself.

[DTW note:  You sure sound confident that it’s really God that is working through you.  You think you are busy with God’s business?  You think?]

Kobus: ‘Or as Romans 2:7 says, we must seek immortality. Now we are not made to die, that’s right. Everybody fights death. We are not made to die.’

[DTW note:  Errr, immortality on this earth you forgot to mention.  Genuine Christians have eternal life in Heaven.  What you are speaking about is Mysticism, Christ consciousness teaching.  That we should seek to be gods on this earth, and gods are immortal.]

Kobus: ‘Why can the world prosper, but the church are not supposed to prosper. I produce the Kingdom of God, I present Jesus Christ, I give people life, I give them the Word, I give them healing, see. So they give me money. That’s how the word of God always operated.’

[DTW note:  YOU produce, YOU present, YOU give people life, YOU give them the Word, YOU give them healing?  So you are a little god!  Please supply 1 verse to to show that when Jesus healed people they gave Him money?]

KOBUS CAN’T BE TOUCHED, HE IS ANOINTED, HE IS A PROPHET;  WITH A SPIRIT HE THINKS IS FROM GOD:

kobusvanrensburg-anointedImage taken from a website dedicated to Kobus Van Rensburg:  http://spiritword.222.co.za

Wonder what the number 222 represents and why Spiritword would have chosen it?   Let’s go see:

*  Oneness vs. Division

* “The numerical value of these three “offspring” letters, “Beis,” “Chaf” and “Reish, is 222, reflecting the divided components of creation.”

* “But this division is only superficial, for in truth, all existence is part of G-d. Judaism recognizes no duality in creation. The oneness of G-d, the cosmic “Aleph,” pervades all existence, filling each centimeter of space and each millisecond in time with its spiritual energy, that vibrates in every blade of grass, every human heart and every grazing animal. This oneness is concealed and veiled, allowing for the perception of a divided world of “222.” But in truth, the entire cosmos is really one giant Aleph” 6

  • Pantheism – God is All
  • Panentheism – God is in All
  • Therefore Kobus van Rensburg is a god; part of one giant Aleph.

CONCLUSION:

Kobus van Rensburg is NOT anointed, he is NOT a prophet, he is NOT a god and he sure as nuts does NOT operate under the Holy Spirit. For if he did, he would NOT be doing what he is doing, preaching what he is preaching and visiting the men/women he is visiting.

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Resources:
1 http://www.charismamag.com/display.php?id=673
2 http://www.gracegems.org/7/catholic_chronicles.htm
3 www.africanaquatics.co.za/_christian/_articles/kvrensburg.htm
4 www.spiritword.org.za/Sermons/English/STEC/sermonTimesofRevival.htm
5 http://www.mnet.co.za/Mnet/Shows/carteblanche/Story.asp?Id=2870
6 http://www.jewish-holiday.com/kabnumbers.html
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Peter Backhouse

>> tell us of the fruit in your life how many people have been saved delivered encouraged as a result of your teaching

Oh so Kobus saves, delivers, and encourages people? Go read my article again.

Peter Backhouse
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I think that you need to start reading your Bible so that the truth can set you free Religion and critics was some thing even Jesus had to contend with so do your own thing and leave Kobus alone
tell us of the fruit in your life how many people have been saved delivered encouraged as a result of your teaching
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Peter

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My mom and me went to a meeting of his in Cape Town. He prayed for my mom for she walks with a frame with wheels because of her back. I was shocked about the way he preaches. I immediatly told my mom that this guy has no respect for GOD. As the meeting went on and he said that he was saved whlie he was a “hippie”, I let my guard down a bit. He then prayed for the sick and cripple. My mom was prayed for as well and she walked to the car without her frame. Me me pushing it, but at home the next morning, she grabbed her frame again. Still today walking with it. Maybe she doubted again, but I am sertainly not so sure about his annointings. I too believe that he is a false proffet using the LORDS name to benifit himself. You should see the amount of money the people put into his baskets. It’s all about the money!!!! Beware Kobus. Our Lord is not mocked or used.

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Annali

What happened to your mom has got nothing to do with her faith in Jesus. What happened to her was unfortunately demonic. It’s a temporary ‘healing’ that takes place. I pray your mom realises what happened to her, and in no way thinks that her walking with a frame again is because there is something wrong with her belief in Jesus and that her belief is not strong enough or whatever.

This is the bondage ‘they’ like to put people in. I would like to ask for your mom to just ask Jesus to forgive her for going there and ask Jesus to just remove anything that might have attached itself to her – like something that might keep reminding her that she lacks faith amongst other things. We always say sorry for the silly things we do because we think it’s of Jesus but it’s not Him and a deception.

I am glad the Holy Spirit is in your life and you listened to Him sounding the alarm bells.

And I have no doubt Kobus collects tons of bucks. I know of someone who went there to get healed (fortunately she was not prayed over) but he had put pieces of paper on each chair where a person could give their details to have money taken from their account each month via a debit order.

PS, there is only 1 annointing and that is when we are truly saved the Holy Spirit comes to abide in us and He protects us and warns us, every believer has discernment. But sometimes we don’t listen and find ourselves in a trap. You can’t pass your annointing (being saved) onto someone as Kobus would love us to believe, but you can pass on demonic spirits. Also we go directly to Jesus in prayer for everything – we do not need to seek these things via other people. Having said that God has his reasons for everything He does. We are born into a sinful world, with sickeness and everything, we as Christians will suffer like everyone else, but we have eternal life and all our treasures lie with Jesus when we meet Him soon.

Stand strong Annali!!

Tanisha
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“He has a big poster hanging in is temple that says; ‘There is no deity (god) except Allah.’ And then a crucifix hangs near the poster.” There tbjoshua-allahjesusis no question that Joshua sends mixed signals.”

Please, excuse me. Have you ever been to his church? There IS NO PICTURE OF ALLAH! My eldest sister has been an evangelist in this ministry for over 18 years and has never seen this bogus picture you came up with. By the way, where did you come up with it? photoshop? That’s a cheap trick. I would advise everyone viewing this site to proceed with utmost caution. The authors of this site are misled. Let us pray for their spiritual awakening. And remember, the name Jesus has power indeed but only among those who are committed to the glory of God – not those who are committed to blackmail, campaign of calumnies, slander and gossip. May you receive the new revelation you need.

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Tanisha>>

>> “He has a big poster hanging in is temple that says; ‘There is no deity (god) except Allah.’ And then a crucifix hangs near the poster.” …… By the way, where did you come up with it? photoshop?

Prof Tom Gouws wrote an article in “Beeld”, an Afrikaans newspaper in Johannesburg – 2001. In fact I will post the entire interview in my next article.

>> I would advise everyone viewing this site to proceed with utmost caution. The authors of this site are misled

I would advise anyone reading these comments to proceed with utmost caution as the authors of these comments are comming directly from TB Johsua’s follower possibly even staff members.

>> Let us pray for their spiritual awakening.

A Spiritual awakening eh? hehe Nothing elese? Maybe peach the Gospel of Jesus Christ instead of occult rubbish.

>> And remember, the name Jesus has power indeed but only among those who are committed to the glory of God

Ohhhh so your ‘Jesus’ only has partial power. My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ the Only Son of God has power over everyone and everything because it says in His Word:

Philippians 2:9-11

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

My Jesus Christ the Son of God HAS COMPLETE POWER.

The power you speak of is this; that YOU have POWER only by using the ‘name’ of Jesus and if you use the name of Jesus you will only produce godly things. Welllll I’ve got news for you DIRECTLY from Jesus Christ written in His Word:

Matthew 7:21-23; 21

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?‘ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

This verse applies to you. People who use the name of Jesus and produce false signs and wonders.

>> May you receive the new revelation you need.

Is that a threat? But then again, my Jesus Christ the Son of God sits at the right hand of the Heavenly Father. The ‘Jesus’ you speak off is not Jesus Christ. Therefor I do not worry one bit of the words you speak, they have no power what-so-ever.

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More on TB here:

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Alfred muhongo

>> I am interested in visiting your church in September 2009 for various problems and afflictions affecting me. In which town are are operating.Can you arrange accomodation for me so that I can pay in advance. God bless you.

Yeahhhhh, now we know why some animals eat their young. Dude!!! come on, really, READ before you write!! I am not Kobus van Rensburg…good grief!

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Alfred muhongo

I am interested in visiting your church in September 2009 for various problems and afflictions affecting me. In which town are are operating.Can you arrange accomodation for me so that I can pay in advance. God bless you.

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Thank you Anisa!

So Curry Blake was there? That’s very interesting!! Curry Blake is the general head overseer-er for John G Lake Ministries. The guy is a smooooth talker. I’ll post a video one of his tv broadcasts on this site in my vodpod collection. Then I’ll post a link under this article.

I’ve seen the videos of Kobus lining up people with crutches and walking sticks and telling them they were all healed. He then ripped their crutches, walking sticks and walkers from them and told them to walk. They were mostly old people. I felt sick to my stomach.

He grabbed and ripped their walking aids from them!! Some walked off and threw their hands in the air thinking they had been healed. Others tried desperately to walk normally as the camera zoomed onto them. Kobus would then let these ‘big huge’ ushers which looked more like body guards force the people on their way as their walking sticks and crutches all piled behind them in a big pile.

I wonder how long it took them to get their stuff back.

I wonder if one can take photos at his church? Maybe I should email him and ask. If he has nothing to hide then I should be allowed to take photo’s.

Discerning The World
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Discerning The World

>> today we have the Holy Spirit, He replaces the the prophet. we are longer in need of prophets, and ppl that need healing need to seek out Healer

That’s it!!

Anisa Sulaiman
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Anisa Sulaiman

my dearest brothers and sisters, this weeekend i went went to Spirit word ministry as my mother in law insisted that her healing was there, if she walked through that pool.
we sat nine hours at this church. the ushers and hotesses were absolutely mean and nasty.

as we walked in, we were attacked to fill in partnership forms. then we were moved from seat to seat to accomodate everyone else.

the service started at 6pm, they had praise and worship for an hour. from 7pm to 8pm they read out emails that people had written to Spirit Word. from 8pm until 10.30pm a pastor by the name of curry blake preached.

i hate to type long stories, but all i want to say is that this kobus van rensburg is a total fake, his preaching does not align with the Word of God, infact he has funny paintings of Jesus riding a horse? like hello? Jesus never rode a horse, He rode a donkey! i just think its idolitary in his church. paintings and statues. he puts oil in his so called pool of miracles – people are bound to slip and fall, theres no bloody annointing there! oil and water dont mix, 20 people laying hands on you? and then he removes pples crutches and walking sticks? ppl leave there worse off than they got there? like where does this guy get his doctrines from, i think he is plain down insane and crazy!!

Anisa Sulaiman
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Anisa Sulaiman

i would also like to say that, in the old testimont prophets were the mediator between God and the people, prophets were the voice of God, they brought the message from God to the people.
today we have the Holy Spirit, He replaces the the prophet. we are longer in need of prophets, and ppl that need healing need to seek out Healer, not a pool! or Kobus van rensburg.

Anisa Sulaiman
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Anisa Sulaiman

i must say i witnessed the mocking with my own eyes besides hearing what other ppl had to say. i can back your statement up anytime.

Discerning The World
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Discerning The World

LOL, this has gotta be a joke…right? rrrrrright? *crickets: krikk, krikk, krikk….* hmmmm…maybe not

Donwie Wale Cornelius
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Donwie Wale Cornelius

On Monday,1stJune,2009.I watched your repeated service on 14-03-09 at my Uncle house.I like your teaching.So therefore I
need a friend from your Ministry.A friend who can help me to get some of your teaching video players.
My name is DONWIE WALE CORNELIUS.
I am a Teacher Trainee of Tamale College of Education.Tamale.
I am 21 years of age.
I am from GHANA.
By the Grace of GOD,I hope to hear from your Ministry.Thank
you.

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Discerning The World

Here is an little article on Curry Blake with a video:

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Peter

>> god is there

Which God?

Peter
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Dear Brothers and sisters. We’re creatures, created by same Lord. We’ve same mission, it’s, To Preach The Gospel of Jesus Christ for All nations, for All creatures, for all Languages. But, we don’t see the Church doing This, on contrary, We bad talk. The Kobus ,he can do several things, but salvation is there, healing is there, god is there.
Stop ! Conversation dont grace nor Mercy….

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Jane

>> All the nonsense u have written shows u dont study but read the bible.

Really, please quote verses to prove that what I said above is wrong….I offer you a challenge, I am ready…are you?

>> You spent a lot of time condemning-Who are you to do that-read Romans 8:1.

And what are you doing in your comment to me? And thanks for mentioning Romans 8. Here go read it if you havent read past the 1st verse.

Jane
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Jane

From just reading this, you are the anti-christ. The devil is using you big time to fight the gospel.
All the nonsense u have written shows u dont study but read the bible. You spent a lot of time condemning-Who are you to do that-read Romans 8:1. Who is giving you the right to Judge, have u turned to be God yourself.
MAy the good Lord have mercy on you.

Discerning The World
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Discerning The World

Oh so until then it’s ok that he leads souls to hell…charming, next time you are burgled or someone you know is hurt in a crime, what ever you do, DON’t phone the police.

loren gerber
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loren gerber

I find it so sad what goes on here slagging this one and that one and this and that. Why dont you all worry about your own lives about getting your hearts pure before stop judging this one and that one. God will judge and expose who he needs to not by my mouth or your what Kobus does he will stand before God one day who are you to say anything are you God???

Tim
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Tim

I recall the teaching of Jesus, when being accused by the Pharisees that he was doing the good work he (Healing etc) did he did by demonic power. He at the time said that a house divided against itself won’t stand. Now I don’t know much about Kobus or much of his ministry but I do know he call’s on the name of Jesus. Even if there has only ever been one authentic healing that has ever taken place there, I do know that he accredits this to the power of Jesus, something that the demonic realm is not able to do. I also remember a scripture that Jesus said if they are not against me then they are for me, speaking of people who where healing in his name.

You your self said they the Holy Spirit leads and guides people! Well let him do that work then, he has not died and appointed you a “watch dog” of the church. If you are a Leader in the context of your church then lead the sheep in your care in the way of the Lord, but to publicly malign and accuse people who minister in the name of Jesus is not fitting in the with scripture. Jesus himself only ever condemned self righteous teachers and not those who are in Sin or error. Paul the author of Romans etc only ever confronted teachers who brought legalistic practices to the church. If you were truly concerned for the truth of the Gospel you would not be writing and slating people on your forum but would be praying for and impacting the world for God.

I am not against you or against Kobus. If he claims to be a Christian and ministers from that place, then so be it. Who are you? If you claim to have the truth and don’t agree with him then continue as you are! Jesus is moving in these days, we all agree that he is closer now than he has ever been and only one thing will count in the end. Not you words against people or even your warnings or words of caution, but rather the lives that through you came to the beautiful knowledge of Jesus and the redemption he gave himself up for.

Grace and Peace to you all in Jesus.

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Well Tim, would you be so kind to find scripture of any kind to back up that Kobus is a man of God? And that he does in no way teach another gospel? I’m ready, are you?

Let’ see you go find the BEST verse(s) you can find to back up that it’s ok for Kobus to go see TB Joshua who is a witchdoctor and believes that all faiths can come together as one? That should be a really easy verse for you to find. Once you have found it..come post it here. Then what will happen is that I wont reply, becuase you answered your own question.

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Cas:

You said: What I do struggle with are the comments you make on the annointing of God. Since when EVER in the word of God, does it state that the demons can heal????

Re-read what I said. Demons can not heal. But they do afflict and they can take away their affliction and replace it with something worse, like dragging you deeper into deception and believing false teaching. They are after souls. Satan could care less for your health, but He is a deceiver is he not? Make something look good when it’s not? Hmm…indeedie

You said: Please do not call the annointing of God demonic. It is blashpemy and extremely dangeroes and therefor the scripture that states, touch not the annointing and do my prohets no harm

Oh here we go. First you mis-interpret what I way and then your tell me I am being blasphemous and then use the cliche, ‘touch not the anointing’. And this is dangeous how?? It’s more dangerous to run after false teaching and have a false spirit laid on you.

Did you know there is only 1 annointing?? That is when you are born again you receive the Holy Spirit. He does not leave and then come back again, and then leave and come back again everytime Kobus ‘throw those crutches away’ van Rensburg tries to annoint people over and over again.

Sighs…

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Brother, all I know is that no one can call Jesus, the Son of God, Lord unless he is born again. Salvation and teaching, as we can see throughout history, are NOT directly related to one another as many have gone astray in their teachings although being born again.

I pray for you that your love and passion for the truth does not turn into the bashing of other born again believers as it seems you are borderline, but hey, what do I know about you seeing that we have never sat around a table to fellowship smile Your heart is probably “pure” in what you believe although I must admit that for me personally, it cannot be seen in your responses nor your comments.

Let us encourage each other in love and truth and not with the “I’m right and you are wrong” attitude as this does not bring edification to the body of Christ but is rather like a cancer eating away at it. Are we not commanded to edify one another. You may be right about Kobus, who knows, but your behavior is borderline immaturity when you attack people when they criticize your viewpoints…just like I’m sure you will attack the statements I make here.

I do not agree that the Bible has been placed in our hands to be used as a bashing tool but rather for “edification, doctrine, teaching etc”. Never once in the ministry of Jesus did He even hint that He was right and everyone else was wrong and NEVER not even once did He use scripture to even bash the pharisees of the day. In fact when the pharisees challenged Jesus on whether or not he was the Son of God He replied to them: “does not YOUR scripture say that you are god’s”

Adultary is using something which is sacred for your own fleshly gains thus if Kobus is doing this, then he is adultarating with the word and the same goes for you when you use something that is sacred for proving your fleshly views.

Jesus Christ is the Lord of ALL creation Lord of the seen and unseen church, the Son of the Most High God, and He is the first born amongst many bretheren. Let us rather say like Paul that “I do not want to hear anything preached amongst you but Christ and Him crucified”. This proverbial “mine is bigger than yours” attitude does exactly the opposite as it is not about Jesus, but more about your oppinion vs. his oppinion.

So in the end because we are looking at this post the questions remain: “Is Kobus right in all he does?” – the answer is a simple No. “Are you right in all you do?” – the answer is again a simple No. The gifts (or as the mainstream church would call it – the 5 fold ministry) has been given UNTO US for the EQUIPING of the SAINTS UNTIL we ALL come to MATURITY. This means that “the 5 fold ministry” is NOT mature. Let us go on to perfection with our EYES SET IN JESUS who is the author and finisher of our faith. It doesn’t say “with our eyes set on man (aka Kobus or even yourself)”

In short, this blog does not mount to much but only to promote strife and also diverting the focus from the author and finisher of our Faith, one Christ Jesus in whom we live and move and have our being in THIS LIVE.

Maybe I’m deceived in your intentions but like the order of the day (pharisees) their aim was also to knock Christ. Now we know that Christ is a lot larger than one man and constitutes a body, so by knocking Christ (or any part of the body) you are sitting in the seat of the self righteous pharisee as that was their aim as well, to proove that Christ was not whom the people said he was.

Just to also set the record straight, I have read your article and I agree with some of the facts that if they were true, that it would be out of line like you say that Kobus has proclaimed himself as a prophet etc.

What I do struggle with are the comments you make on the annointing of God. Since when EVER in the word of God, does it state that the demons can heal???? This is disturbing to say the least. Your comment to Annali about the healing that her mother received is “demonic”, is crazy. Jesus many times said to the people “let it be unto you as your faith” and they were healed. Faith does have EVERYTHING to do with it when we come to Jesus. When Jesus comes to us, it has nothing to do with it. Check out all the healings of Jesus in the gospels. When He approached people, like the blind, the guy at the pool of Bethesda etc. they did not need faith, but when people approached Him, they always needed faith like the guy who’s son was demon posessed or the lady who suffered from the “issue of blood”. When we approach Jesus our faith heals us and if we do not have enough, then we can ask and Jesus will meet our faith. Do not misinterpred this now as me saying that Kobus is Jesus – I’m not crazy – but that Annali’s mother’s faith had everything to do with her healing.

Please do not call the annointing of God demonic. It is blashpemy and extremely dangeroes and therefor the scripture that states, touch not the annointing and do my prohets no harm. Prophets are old testament as we now have the Spirit of prophesy. Annointing is something that is of today and which is there to enable us to do the work of God. There is NO other God apart from our God so please do not make a silly comment like “which God”. Paul says it as well, for us there is NO other God.

Having said all this, let me close if off my saying I appreciate people like you who has a passion for keeping others on track and I want to encourage you to do it out of a maturity of love. We should judge one another to see of “which one we are” but let our judgement be righteous not profaning the Word of the almighty and let our judgement lead to repentance and not to the “cutting off” of the body of Christ as we are all one body, one bread.

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I couldn’t agree more with you that there is only one annointing and only ONE Holy Spirit for that matter.

In terms of the misinterpretation, agreed, I might have misinterpreted what you intended to say. Sorry for that.

One thing though is that I cannot find it in scripture where demons make you sick / afflict you, then take it “off” as you state and then “put it back on again”. Do you have some scripture that I can have a look at? Maybe I’m just missing it somewhere and it would be great if I can have a look at it…

One more thing, could you also please show me the scriptures that state that either the devil or the demons are after souls and in particular human souls and if they find them, what they will do with them? You probably have something down these lines…

I do however believe that there is a fundamental difference in what you and I believe about the devil and his purpose etc which is something to be taken “off-line”. You can mail me if you wish on the mail provided in the post and then we can discuss it further. No need to risk “confusing” people who may read our posts on this topic unless you would like to post a forum on it so that it can be discussed openly.

Hope to read your comments soon… smile

Cas
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In terms of the comment “put it back again” I do not mean that you said it but implied it by saying “replacing it with something worse”…

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Cas

>> I do however believe that there is a fundamental difference in what you and I believe about the devil and his purpose

I am not here so discuss the fundamental differences between what the Word of God says and what you believe the Devil’s ‘purpose’ is. This is not what this article is about. You either agree that what is being taught by Kobus is false teaching or you don’t. You either play with fire or you don’t.

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