Jacob Prasch – But By The Grace of God [those Calvinists] . . . Tell The Truth!
NEW: PLEASE READ THE ADDENDUM AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE
I only recently came across an article written by James Jacob Prasch which he called “What Are We Left With?.” I must say I wholeheartedly agree with him on everything he said in the greater part of his article, at least until a I read the very last paragraph.
Jacob Prasch says;
“May God Bless Dave Hunt, Roger Oakland, Tony Peace, David Hocking, Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Warren Smith, Ray Yungen, Chuck Smith, Jack Hibbs, Bill Randles, Philip Powell, Mike Gendron, David Wilkerson, Ray Comfort, Justin Peters,Paul Washer , John MacArthur, Stuart Dool, Doug Harris, John Higgins, Joseph Fara, Bob De Waay and the other servants of the One True God who labor to uphold God’s eternal truth and proclaim the true Gospel in this age of apostasy and decline. None of these men are perfect or without flaw, nor above all either am I. But by the grace of God all of them tell the truth.“ (Emphasis added).
[DTW note: Justin Peters, Bob De Waay, Paul Washer and John MacArthur are all Calvinists that speak the truth according to Jacob Prasch]
Jacob Prasch and his favourites
It’s obvious that Dave Hunt is one of Prasch’s favorite writers and speakers, mentioning him first in a list of very illustrious and knowledgeable authors and preachers. I couldn’t agree more. Dave Hunt, in my opinion, is a gift of God to the church in these last days who like Paul of Tarsus “ceases not to warn every one night and day with tears” (Acts 20:31). However, I was shocked to see the names of Justin Peters, Bob De Waay, Paul Washer and John MacArthur in his list of men who “but by the grace of God . . . tell the truth” and “uphold God’s eternal truth and proclaim the true Gospel.” Both these gentlemen, as Prasch himself knows, are staunch Calvinists whose doctrines of grace (as they call it) Dave Hunt rebukes and refutes as being a gross misrepresentation of God in his book “What Love Is This?” In the introduction “Why this Book?” Hunt writes:
Most shocking of all, however, is Calvinism’s misrepresentation of God who “is love.”
If God is the essence of love, which of course He is, then the slightest misrepresentation of his love cannot possibly be called the truth. Both gentlemen, Paul Washer, and John MacArthur believe that Jesus did not die for everyone. Paul Washer is a wee bit more subtle in his approach to this particular “truth” and never says outrightly “Jesus did not die for everyone” but cunningly says in many of his videos on YouTube: “Jesus died the death OF HIS PEOPLE.” Who are his people? Well, of course, the elect only are God’s people. This is the kind of blasphemy John MacArthur and many other Calvinists spew out on their congregants and on the internet.
And James Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries says of these men (Paul Washer and John MacArthur): “but by the grace of God [they]. . . tell the truth.” Is it true that Jesus Christ was crucified only for his people (a select few chosen ones)? If it is true, it must be from God. If not, then it is a lie and all lies emanate from the father of all lies, Satan himself. Calvinism is arguably one of the most dangerous doctrines on our planet. Everything they say about the doctrines of sanctification and living a life of holiness and absolute obedience to God is commendable but as soon as it comes to the very core of God’s will for all men, the salvation of their souls, they have it sorely wrong which borders dangerously on blasphemy.
Addendum:
In a Youtube video I watched today[1], Jacob Prasch says that if you do not put on the belt of truth around your waste and continue to wear it day and night, you cannot claim to have the breastplate of righteousness covering your heart. As soon as you take off the belt of Truth, the breastplate of righteousness automatically falls to the ground. I happen to agree with him one hundred percent.
Having said that, we cannot in the very least assume that Calvinists, whom Jacob Prasch hails as men who “tell the Truth,” have put on the breastplate of righteousness. It is impossible to say they have been endowed with the breastplate of righteousness when they proclaim the following hideous and satanic lies:
- “Why did God not choose to love everyone like that (savingly)? I’ll give you a good guess, and maybe not a guess. The reason God did not choose to love everyone savingly, is because the love of God is qualified and controlled by His glory.” (John MacArthur)
- “God hates sinners.” (Paul Washer). [Thomas: When God loves He only loves the elect according to the Calvinistic John 3:16 but when He hates, He does not only hate the Calvinistic sinners but ALL sinners. Calvinists just love to chop and change their interpretation of the meaning of “all,” “world” and “whosoever” whenever and however they like].
Jacob, are these guys telling the Truth? If they are, then you have every right to proclaim that they are endowed with both the belt of Truth and the breastplate of righteousness. If not, then you cannot possibly say that they are wearing the breastplate of righteousness. Wouldn’t you agree that they (Justin Peters, Bob De Waay, Paul Washer and John MacArthur) are going to end up in Babylon as well? Don’t you think you should apologize in public to God and the Body of Christ that you were wrong in saying” . . . by the grace of God, all of them tell the truth?“ If you do, I will be the first person to say in public that you are truly a man of God who wears both the belt of truth and the breastplate of righteousness to the honor and glory of God.
[1]
How can Prasch say everything else about John MacArthur is OK when Maccie denies the core doctrine of the Bible – SALVATION. The Bible very clearly teaches that Jesus loves and died for all people (John 3:16; 2 Peter 3:9; 1 Joh 2:2; 1 Tim 4:10) Maccie says: “No, that’s not true. Jesus only loves and died for the elect.”
What does the Bible say?
Perhaps anonymouse would like to prove to us that Maccie’s teaching that God only loves and died for the elect is good fruit. Please bear in mind, anonymouse, that you must prove it from Scripture and if you can’t you must admit that John MacArthur, like all the rest of the Calvinists, are false teachers. And if they are false, you cannot possibly tolerate Prasdsch’s accolades of John MacArthur.
Deborah, why are all the comments in bold letters?
Thomas
>> Deborah, why are all the comments in bold letters?
That’s a good question. I don’t know lol.
Ahh I figured it out, it’s fixed now. One comment’s html code on the bold was not complete it appeared to affect all comments from them on – interesting.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Thanks Debs.
Jacob Prasch believes John MacArthur is an apostate as he claims you can take the mark of the beast and repent later. This is an “in your face Jesus” as Jesus told us the very opposite. You will not find a better teacher than Jacob Prasch. I have listened to most of his messages. I am a former Calvinist who was delivered. I am very critical when it comes to the truth. I do not follow any man. Paul told us that after he died, wolves and false teachers would come into the church. You won’t here this being taught, but Paul’s statement places a question mark over EVERY teacher, including the church fathers, who came after Paul.
Warren McGrew
I am very happy to hear that you have been delivered from the dangerous clutches of Calvinism. I would like to suggest that Prasch publicly retracts what he had said about John MacArthur. In that way he would at least no longer give credit to an apostate and lead those who regard him (Prasch) as a great teacher astray.
Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:
Warren McGrew
Jacob rips him to pieces on the issue of the mark of the beast but what about his statement that MacArthur, as a staunch Calvinist, preaches the truth?
Thomas, here is the clear evidence Prasch is rejecting MacArthur. Moriel is currently having a problem with their server. You can see his remarks at my blog site. http://wmcgrew.blogspot.com/2013/12/john-macarthur-polluting-world-blood-on.html
Thomas, also he has a video on YouTube. He blasts MacArthur, as well as he should have. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOCqPUOJGsI
Warren McGrew
Jacob Prasch knew from the outset that MacArthur represents a god who only loves the elect and died on the cross for them only. And yet he respected him as a teacher “who tells the truth.”
Just as in many denominations I believe there are “Calvinsts” that love the Lord and the election part is just not clear to them (as it should not be clear). Even though I suffered in Calvinism, I still was blessed to learn the bible. I did have to “unlearn myself” with the help of the Holy Spirit. Jacob Prasch does not examine every teacher. I bet he will be more careful now!! I praise God for exposing MacArthur in a way that will be used of God. We all need to pray for Jacob as my understanding he was very sick last fall and close to death. I do not know of anyone like Jacob in the body and he has been a blessing to me as he exposes many the same false teachers I do. Jesus said four times “be not deceived”. Wow! God bless you!
Warren McGrew wrote
Jesus Christ either lied or He was correct in saying: “You will know the truth and the truth will make you free.” Knowing the truth also means to know the lie. Not knowing or acknowledging the lie is the result of not knowing the truth. No one can believe in election unto salvation and claim to be saved. There are too many passages in Scripture that refute election unto salvation. The notion that man does not have a free will, that God loved and died only for the elect, that you must hate God’s enemies but love your own enemies (as if there is a difference) in order to be called a child of God, etc. are all typical examples of the character assassination of God. Why do I mention God’s character as a means to discern the truth in salvation? Because Jesus once said “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3), You cannot say you love God and then say things like “God hates sinners,” or “God hates the so-called non-elect.” How on earth can thy say they love the Lord and at the same time believe all the lies being disseminated among people? That is, as I said, character assassination.
You said: “Even though I suffered in Calvinism, I still was blessed to learn the bible.” This, to me, sums up the entire doctrine of Reformed Theology. Jesus said: “[Ye] search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.” (John 5:39-40). Calvinists do not come to Jesus in the normal sense of the word. Why? Because they believe the lie that no one can come to Him unless the Father draws them. It simply means that God was the only Person in the entire universe who could devise the means and the way to draw lost sinners to His Son for their salvation, i.e. His cross, That is why John 12:32 says “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (John 12:32). But, as you know when you tell a lie, you must always cover up one lie with another lie. And that’s exactly what Calvinists do when they say the “all men” in this verse are “all the elect” and not all men without distinction.
God clearly says that those who distort his doctrine of salvation are liable to be deceived by the deceptions He Himself sends. What else are they doing when they deliberately and cunningly distort and rip his doctrine of salvation apart?
Warren
1) Jacob Prasch speaks out of both sides of his mouth. He will agree and disagree with John MacArthur. JP ONLY recently had something negative to say about JMA because of JMA’s Mark of the Bearst comment. The fact of the matter JP should have said something about Calvinism but he does not because he follows men like George Whitfield (Methodist/Calvinist).
2) Why are you following a another man? JP is part of the Hebrew Roots movement, teaches that you need the Midrash in order to study the bible properly. And still believes Chuck Smith (Calvery Chapel) was a great guy:
3) Please open your eyes and stop worshipping this man “I do not know of anyone like Jacob in the body”
4) If there was people caught up in the Calvinist cult that are genuinely saved and are struggling to come to terms with the doctrines of grace then they are not to be called Calvinists, they are actually Christians and they will sooner or later leave as the Holy Spirit directs them away from false teaching.
I believe Ray Comfort, although he associates with Calvinists, has denied being a Calvinist.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEoQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fopenairoutreach.proboards.com%2Fthread%2F5891&ei=zy5nU7qgLZD3oATDwoHgDA&usg=AFQjCNH1mb4sUTRSVr13MB5HqKl21Cusdg&sig2=dxKfRpgY_PxnHOFLRzB0WA&bvm=bv.65636070,bs.1,d.cGU
Given that you reckon Eternal Security to be the truth and (based on your links) of import to the continuance of the Christian life, it seems peculiar that you would not here not that “deficiency”, that is according to you and not I, in the doctrine of a number of the others that you have noted such as Chuck Smith, whose doctrine is functionally that of the common characterization of the Arminian seeming to hold to “conditional security” with the possibility of apostasy, although he may have had a tendency to beat about the bush on this point of his dogma.
May all be well with you.
I follow Jacob Prasch very closely, and he most definitely does not believe Calvinism and he is very critical of it (he refers to Calvinists as Gnostics who spiritualize and twist scriptures to do with Israel and Election). He even says that 85% of what John MacArthur teaches is good to very good, but we part company in the other areas.
You need to get your facts straight before pulling things out of context. I also disagree with MacArthur on Calvinism but he has some very good teachings and I’ve enjoyed listening to many of his sermons. Satan is laughing at the church tearing itself apart and failing to reach out to the world.
On essentials unity, on non essentials love. No Christian is perfect or holds 100% truth. I recently left a church that was pushing Calvinism, but I don’t deny that they are Christian brothers and sisters. I posted on their website why I strongly disagreed before I left and that was that.
Trevor,
You really sound just like a good and lovely little ecumenist.
“I don’t agree with everything Roman Catholicism, Mormonism, Calvinism, the Emergents and the rest of the isms say but they all do have some very good teachings.” Don’t you know that this is the way Satan works?
You wrote:
The doctrine of salvation is not an essential? – the very doctrine Calvinists are constantly distorting and misrepresenting? Really???
Shame on you, how can you leave your brothers and sisters in Christ?
You have taken the liberty to post on their site because you strongly disagree with them but when we do the same on our own site, you are up in arms? What are you – a hypocrite?
I really think you should get your essentials and non-essentials right before you say anything more.
Bully for Jacob Prasch. He is a real modern-day Paul of Tarsus who said – “I agree with 85% of everything the false apostles and prophets say and teach, but we part company in other areas.” Indeed, the area where Paul of Tarsus and the rest of the false teachers parted was the area just before the gates of hell itself.
If you can prove to me that Calvinism is not another Gospel but the pure, unadulterated Gospel of Jesus Christ then I will publicly offer you an apology. However, if you can’t, then you owe us an apology.
Listen up my friend, the very reason why false apostles present you with 99.9% truth and 0.1% poison is to deceive you. What did Jesus say? “Take heed that no man deceive you.” I assume that you are one of those oh so loving and compassionate Christians who leave their brothers and sisters because you cannot agree with them, but don’t care a hoot when others are being misled by those same dear brothers and sisters in Christ. And that’s why you can agree with Prasch who said:
Of course no man is morally perfect or without flaw. Even Paul acknowledged that he was the chief of sinners but his Gospel was always flawless and perfect.
Trevor wrote:
Imagine Peter standing up on the Day of Pentecost and saying the following,
We certainly are living in confusing times, especially in the church. I think you have more hope of finding the truth by staying home and reading your bibles and finding the like minded believers and fellowship with them. Unfortunately these men like JPRASCH, John Mac are both teaching false gospels and need to marked and avoided regardless how well they preach on certain topics. This is a ploy of the enemy to reel you in.
Neither of their gospels will save you, they have been such a source of division for christians. Their teachings will mislead you. They are both salvation by works gospels, they preach an accursed gospel. They will held accountable for all the souls they have misled.
Stay away from the Calvanists/Arminst/Romanists, too many people follow John Macarthur, just because he is intelligent and articulate, pray for Mac that he comes out of his error, he has been told by many that he is in error. I believe he is a modern day judaiser. If u are not one of the elect, i am afraid JM its not good news. Calvanists have a differnt gospel and Jesus. Pray for god to open their eyes to this satanic jesus they serve.
Mary
I agree with you wholeheartedly!!
Hi DTW,
I don’t find the information on David Wilkerson, as I thought this article would give me. Is there any information on him, is he a false preacher? I find a lot of truth in his stuff, he cries a lot also. Thanks, you are doing a good job. The truth will set us free.
Hi Ida :hi:
I think he is ok, but have not checked.
I always get confused between Bruce Wilkinson and David Wilkerson
I had to learn to not let pastor’s tears and emotions when preaching get the better of me. We seem to think because they are crying they must be genuine. Listen to what they preach Ida, that’s where you find the truth of the matter.
I read long ago that he made some false prophecies (tho this is a newish article)
Call to discernment (Not Justin Peters) also “attacked” him in 2013 but It is difficult to substantiate these claims.
I looked for videos of DW where he gets called “false prophet” to hear from the horses mouth but I found it were Calvinists and prosperity pewers attacking.
More claims are made by – https://endtimesprophecyreport.com/2016/04/26/david-wilkerson-false-prophet/ – but like I said, to me it lacks evidence at this stage…
Hi Ida and Robbie
My current opinion is that he is ok, but that is without researching his teaching thoroughly…
I just want to add, a pastor crying is not a sign of ‘trying to mislead’ either… I just take caution when I see this because I’ve seen a few very cunning false teachers use tears to ‘soften ones heart to false teaching’.
Dear Deborah.. I don’t know if you are aware of the recent developments regarding Jacob Prasch? I have emailed Graham Baldwin of ‘Catalyst’ and I wonder if you would also be interested in doing the same with your record of how you were treated by him? God bless.
https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2018/12/my-email-to-graham-baldwin-regarding.html
Treena is not alone and there will be more. Blessings
closingstages.net/2018/12/19/we-too-have-contacted-catalyst-graham-baldwin-concerning-jacob-prasch-moriel/
Pat wrote
Treena is not alone and there will be more. Blessings
closingstages.net/2018/12/19/we-too-have-contacted-catalyst-graham-baldwin-concerning-jacob-prasch-moriel/
Indeed, Treena is not alone. She is not the only one doing the very same thing Jacob Prasch has been doing for many years. The only difference is that her attacks are much subtler than Prasch’s. Some of the Christians who have started a vendetta against Jacob Prasch called “me too” under the guise of having been hurt and having suffered immensely through his railings are just as guilty as he in their promotion of false doctrines. Please don’t get me wrong. I am not condoning Prasch’s railings. It is disgusting, just as disgusting as the endorsement of false doctrines. Bear in mind what Peter wrote when he said:
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:16).
The archaic meaning of “wresting” is “to distort the meaning or interpretation of (something) to suit one’s own interests or views.” Treena seems to be blissfully unmindful of her own distortions when she desperately tries to defend her Pre-wrath rapture doctrine. Allow me to explain.
Several people wrote comments on her blog post “THE INTRA-SEAL RAPTURE DECEPTION EXPOSED: FINAL TRANSCRIPT PUBLISHED.” One post, in particular, caught my eye because it typifies to perfection the modus operandi anti-Pre-tribbers use to vilify Christ’s glorious return at the Pre-trib Rapture. The one thing I hate most is when Christians have the audacity to employ unsubstantiated arguments to prove a point and, in the process, vilify God and his Gospel in public. Someone, who goes by the name of Colin wrote:
“We can certainly commend Jacob Prasch for his stand against the unbiblical pre-trib rapture, a false teaching that we believe will prove to be a means of great deception as the present age draws to a close.”
I cannot recall my exact words in response to his comment because Treena approved it at first and then removed it when I wrote some more comments. However, the gist of it was something like this.
“It matters very little what others believe when the catalyst for friendship is hatred of the Pre-trib Rapture. It sounds exactly like “the same-no-difference-rotten-old-song” Prasch uses in his railings against Christians.”
That seemed to have sparked some anger in Treena Gisborn. She immediately scolded me for being so disrespectful, of course, at the risk of not scolding Colin for being so disrespectful of God and his doctrine of the Rapture. In fact, she blessed him. Let us do some elementary biblical maths to prove that Colin’s statement “We can certainly commend Jacob Prasch for his stand against the unbiblical pre-trib rapture, a false teaching that we believe will prove to be a means of great deception as the present age draws to a close” is the very same as using the word “rotten.” Here goes,
Unbiblical = (equals) going against God’s Truth.
Going against God’s Truth = (equals) lies.
Lies = (equals) works of Satan (John 8:44)
Works of Satan = (equals) rotten.
And yet, she did not scold Colin. I never could understand why Christians have no qualms to rebuke those who have the chutzpah to expose people who vilify God and his doctrines in public and yet protect those who do their dirty work of vilifying God in public. Do they have more respect for the latter than for God?
Nevertheless, I continued to post some comments which she graciously approved but later deleted them together with some others in which I asked some pertinent questions. I asked her.
“If the rapture takes place at the end of the seven-year tribulation and at the same time as Christ’s Second Coming, who is going to populate the Millennium in their natural bodies, especially in the light of the fact that ALL the believers are going to shed the vile bodies in exchange for their new incorruptible bodies?”
Her answer was somewhat of a humdinger fairy-tale. She responded by saying that the Jews are going to be protected in Petra, a place prepared for them until Christ returns at his Second Advent. Voila, and here we have the folk who are going to enter the Millennium in their natural bodies – a Jews-only scenario, I may add. In my follow-up comment I wrote the following:
“The Jews are not going to be raptured but will be kept safe in Petra until Jesus Christ returns? Is that why the prophet Jeremiah called the seven-year tribulation “Jacob’s safety haven?” and why Jesus said, “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” . . . but don’t fret the Jews will be kept safe in Petra.’ (Matthew 24:21). What about the poor Gentiles who are going to come to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ during the tribulation? Will God protect them as He does the Jews, and if not, why not? If the Jews are going to be kept safe until Jesus returns, then God must keep them safe from the beginning and keep them from signing their death warrant with Antichrist (Daniel 9:27).
Israel’s history is replete with incidents when God used his righteous wrath to teach his people the Jews a lesson and to bring them back to Him when they had fallen into sin and idolatry. Why wouldn’t He do it again and unleash his wrath (judgments) on Israel during the entire gamut of the seven-year tribulation? In fact, the prophet Isaiah says exactly that. “With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. (Isaiah 26:9).
God’s holy wrath will run the entire period of the seven-year tribulation and not just the last three and a half years or when He returns at his second coming.
By the way, your view of the Jews being kept safe begs the question whether only Jews are going to enter the Millennium in their natural bodies and that only the dead and living tribulation Gentiles are going to be raptured.”
That’s was it. She brought down the ax with a vengeance and deleted all my comments, even those she wrote herself in response to mine. The big question is: Why did she do so? I suspect she did it because she failed to answer my questions. False teachers usually go into a flat spin when they are confronted with pertinent questions and immediately excommunicate you, which, by the way, is worse that vitriolic verbal abuse.
In conclusion, I would like to encourage all the women who are whining and whinging about the hurt and the suffering caused by Jacob Prasch’s railings to start reminding themselves what Jesus said:
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. (Matthew 5:10-12).
Tom
You said “In conclusion, I would like to encourage all the women who are whining and whinging about the hurt and the suffering caused by Jacob Prasch’s railings and start reminding themselves what Jesus said:
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. (Matthew 5:10-12).”
Amen :clap: