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Emergent Mysticism – Part 5

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Emergent Mysticism: A biblical appraisal of the Mosaic Congress – Mosaic Church in Fairlands, Johannesburg (4-5 Sept. 2009) – Part 5

Session 3: Being a radical pilgrim and prophet – Stephan Joubert (Continued)

Stephan Joubert thumb Emergent Mysticism   Part 5To summarize what Stephan Joubert has said so far the following points which are probably the main elements of his presentation, may be highlighted:

1. The mystical or contemplative approach to the making or grooming of Christ-followers is to teach people from every religious persuasion how to follow the Sage from heaven by convincing them that this Sage never linked onto the purity or priestly story (no one is excluded by being labeled saved or unsaved, in or out, clean or unclean, us and them, holy and unholy) but onto the wisdom story (particularly in the book of Proverbs which deals with the practical day to day living realities).

The demarcation or dividing line between holy and unholy, clean and unclean, and saved and unsaved must be eradicated at all cost because it implies judgment, division, separateness and un-connectedness.

In Matthew Fox’s book called “A New Reformation!” he writes that we are in fact confronted with two churches: one expressed by the image of the Punitive Father, personified by a rigidly hierarchical church structure, repression of the feminine, . . . and the other expressed by the feminine figure of Wisdom, personified by a Mother/Father God of justice and compassion. It is time for Christians to choose whom it will follow: an angry exclusionary god or the loving open path of wisdom (Emphasis added).

Pictorial of False Prophets & Teachers

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false prophets and teachers Pictorial of False Prophets & Teachers

There are millions of false teachers and false prophets in the world today, below is a list of just some of the the major false prophets and teachers around.

Matt 7:15-20 Jesus says, “Beware of the FALSE PROPHETS, who come to you in SHEEP’S CLOTHING but INWARDLY ARE RAVENOUS WOLVES. You can identify them by their FRUIT, that is, by the way they ACT. Can you pick grapes from Thornbushes, or Figs from Thistles? (17) A GOOD TREE produces GOOD FRUIT, and a BAD TREE produces BAD FRUIT. A GOOD TREE can’t produce BAD FRUIT, and a BAD TREE can’t produce GOOD FRUIT. So every TREE that does not produce GOOD FRUIT is chopped down and thrown into the Fire. Yes, just as you can identify a TREE by its FRUIT, so you can IDENTIFY PEOPLE BY THEIR ACTIONS.”

Matt 24:4-5 Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone Mislead you, for MANY will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive MANY.”

Matt 7:21-23 Jesus warns, “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the WILL OF MY FATHER in Heaven will enter. On Judgment Day MANY will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We PROPHESIED IN YOUR NAME and Cast out demons in your Name and Performed many Miracles in your Name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who BREAK GOD’S LAWS.”

Vatican II and The New Evangelization World Wide Take Over

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religions Vatican II and The New Evangelization World Wide Take Over“Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled up to heaven”     Revelation 18:4

Author:   Anthony Esteves

As a young adult living in Brooklyn New York I was depending on getting to Heaven on false hopes.  Although my commitment to my beloved Roman Catholic Church had weakened during my late twenties, the attitude “I was born a Catholic, I’ll die a Catholic” was woven into the fabric of my mind.

As I think back on those days, I recognize that I was a young man in bondage. Certainly, I was in bondage to sin, as is everyone who is not born again. But there was another bondage that also gripped me: the bondage of Roman Catholic tradition, with its sacraments, liturgies, rituals, and sacramentals. Not only were such things unbiblical-they were works of the flesh and devices of demons. In my own life, as well as throughout the history of the Church of Rome, they were soul-gripping superstitions advanced under the guise of spirituality.

I trusted in relics of dead so-called Saints; holy water; making the sign of the cross; votive candles; baptism for salvation (infant or otherwise); a “transubstantiated” piece of bread alleged to be Christ; apparitions of Mary; a scapular; a “miraculous medal”; statues and images of Jesus, Mary, and the saints; endless Rosaries, Novenas, the Stations of the Cross; abstaining from meat on Friday; Lenten abstinences; the Last Rites to get me into Purgatory and indulgences to get me out of Purgatory; Mass cards; graces dispensed from Mary; the confessional, with absolution of my sins by a priest; penance and personal suffering to purify me of my sin; worshiping a piece of bread at the Eucharistic Holy Hour; the Holy Father as the Vicar of Christ on earth, etc. Therein lays a bondage that few evangelicals understand.

Discernamentalist Mafia

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onlinediscernmentalistmafia Discernamentalist MafiaThe Online Discernamentalist Mafia

… is 1 of 3 blogs by I. Todyaso or Iggy from WordofMouthMinistries

 Iggy is on the leadership team at Billings Vineyard Church (Montana, United States).  Iggy is also part of the Emergent Church and is bent on mocking born again Christians who adhere to the Word of God. 

The subtitle of The Online Discernmentlist Mafia (ODM) is the following:   “Protecting The Sovereign God and His Truth from those who are out to destroy the church. A SATIRE/PARODY blog.”

No surprises here really, because reducing the Bible and Jesus Christ into nothing more than a joke is what the false Christ/anti-Christ is all about.  Iggy attacks many Discernment Ministries, I am not the only one.

This is the message on the front of the blog: 

“Before you get all bent out of shape, please realize this is a satire site spoofing the so-called “discernment ministries” who deem themselves more worthy of Grace than the rest of us. So read and have fun! BTW, we are not against “good” discernment ministries that do actual real research and extend grace to others, only the bad ones.” …

Iggy and friends have had a go at many discernment ministries out there, like: 

But at the end of the day we do need to say thank you to Iggy, because in his own vicious little way he helps expose himself and others.

These are the people that inspire Iggy as taken from his WordofMouthMinistries blog.  I am not sure where Iggy receives most of his inspiration from to write with such hatred about the Word of God and born again Christians.  It can’t be from everyone he has listed under the section “People Who Inspire Me on his blog.

If you  feel you don’t want to be an inspiration for Iggy in any way, please feel free to contact Iggy and ask him to remove you from his list on his WordofMouthMinistries blog.  Then comment below and I will remove you from the list below or add a note next to your blog or website name.  

  1. A Different Perspective
  2. A New Kind Of Conversation
  3. Anthony Smith
  4. Becoming Missional
  5. Big Pappa
  6. Blake Simpson
  7. BLuE ChRIStiAN ~ On a Red Background ~ John Trott
  8. Brian McLaren
  9. Bruce Droppings ~ Bruce Gerencser   (Bruce has nothing negative to say about Iggy or positive to say about Jesus Christ the Son of God)
  10. bob.blog
  11. Dan Carter
  12. Dan Gilliam
  13. Daniel Partin
  14. Doug Pagitt
  15. Elson
  16. emergesque
  17. Emergent UK Creation media arts
  18. Emerging Grace
  19. Finishing Well
  20. Fishing The Abyss
  21. futurechurch   (Roger Saner from FurtureChurch and Iggy are like 2 peas in a pod)
  22. Glenn Kaiser
  23. Hackman’s Musing ~ say hi to Andrew!
  24. Harley Ghost
  25. Home Front
  26. house church blog
  27. IMonk
  28. Irenaeus on Free Will
  29. John H Armstrong
  30. Jason Clark
  31. Joe C.
  32. Joe Martino
  33. Jordan Cooper
  34. JR Woodward
  35. Kingdom Grace
  36. Larry of Occasional Opinion
  37. Leonard Sweet
  38. Levi
  39. Mere Mission
  40. musings and pontifications Matt Bathome
  41. Lifestream
  42. Major Ian Thomas
  43. Mmmm, That’s Good Coffee
  44. nator
  45. N.T. Wright
  46. NextReformation
  47. pomoxians
  48. Postmodern Theology
  49. praxis scripture study
  50. Punk Monkey
  51. Rebuilding Ruins
  52. Rick Ianniello -  (Rick says he disagrees and agrees with Iggy on different things.  Go check out Ricks blog and see for yourself how confusing it can get there.)
  53. robbymac
  54. Rob Witham
  55. Russ’ Ramblings
  56. Scot McKnight
  57. ShadowMage’s Domain
  58. Sivin Kit
  59. Smulo Space
  60. Soapbox
  61. Spencer Burke
  62. Steven & Callie
  63. Steve Taylor
  64. Stratopastor
  65. TallSkinnyKiwi ~ Andrew Jones
  66. That is not my Blog
  67. The Boars Head Tavern
  68. Tony Jones
  69. Trail Blazer Ministries
  70. The Holy Triage
  71. The Next Wave
  72. The No Name Pastor
  73. The Occasional Opinion
  74. The Pilgrim Path
  75. Theopraxis
  76. Thin Spaces
  77. Verum Serum
  78. Vintage Faith ~ Dan Kimball
  79. While Rome Burns
  80. The Wittenberg Catholic

…birds of a feather flock together…

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Ree RELATED POSTS below that I had written and the comments made by Emergents.  All this started with my Article on Amahoro (a conference held in South Africa with Brian McLaren attending)
   
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New article by Iggy – 7/06/2009 09:16:00 AM 

How do you even respond to outright liars and… well… idiots?

I mean this as loving as I can… I mean she is what she is and I guess being a liar and… well… an idiot is fine with her… really it is sad someone claims Jesus and stoops to this worlds methods of trying to harm someone else… I introduce, Discerning the World…

Funny who she left out on my blog roll… but then if any even takes a minute to read her site and then interact with her… will come away knowing she is most probably mentally ill.

But I do thank her for the free promotion… I am sure anyone that goes to her site will check my sites out and see that she is in fact an idiot. Can’t turn down free advertising. Now, I know someone is out there thinking, “iggy you are not being very Graceful toward Deborah…”Well I am… After all she is trashing all my friends… as to why?  Only that she hates me for some reason.

Deborah, hate is not a Christian virtue…

Pray for her… she really needs it. Yes, that is what we do for idiots… pray for them.. and love them in spite of the damage they do to themselves and others.

iggy

http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-do-you-even-respond-to-outright.html 

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On the 13th July or there abouts.  Iggy was loving enough to help contributed in a very graceful manner to a wordpress blog that was set up by one of his friend.  They called the blog url discerningtheworld(3).wordpress…  my blog name at the was discerningtheworld(2).wordpress… and I was the original owner of discerningtheworld.worpdress.com that I deleted last year 2008.  

The person who signed up this url (with contributions and ideas from ‘friends’) took the same grey theme I use, took my author name Discerning the World and my baby elephant avatar to try replicate my blog.   The ultimate goal of this scheme was for them to have a playground where they could throw hateful insults at me non stop.

This is a snapshot and quote from discerningtheworld3.wordpress  – This is what Emergent thinkers think, these are the types of thoughts that run through their minds:

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Thanks for dropping by!    This is Discerning the World III, a site dedicated to truth and discerning things online (indeed, the entire world) which cannot be detected, and will not be detected, face to face.  Why the number 3?  Well, number one is too arrogant and we are anything but that. And it came to our attention during an intense discernment period that the number 2 is not fitting for any blog that claims to be genuinely Christian.  Two is a number that reminds us of the followers going 2 by 2  into the ark.   We refuse to be thought of as just another ass following suit.  If anything we are leading the charge in the war against truth!   

Therefore we decided our name would be Discerning the World THREE.   Three is, after all, biblical.  Noah had 3 sons (Shem, Ham and Japheth), Joseph had a dream of three baskets, Aaron was eighty-THREE and he and Moses spoke with Pharaoh, total darkness covered Egypt for 3 days in one of the plagues, women are to wait 33 days to be purified from their bleeding before they touch anything sacred, Balaam’s donkey complained of being beaten 3 times, King Saul had 3 sons, Samson ‘performed’ in front of 3 thousand Philistines in his final act, Job had 3 daughters, Peter disowned Jesus 3 times and of course, the greatest reason we find the number 3 to be more biblical than the number 2 is because of the 3 greatest things.  But to know that you have to turn to 1 Corinthians 13:13 (more 3s!).”

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Anyhow, I have so far received many awards  from the Discernamentalist Mafia – I must be doing something right.

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Emergent – Another Student at TUKS Theology Loses the Plot

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Freddie honestly believes that born again Christians and the Emergent Christian are the same.  Freddie honestly believes therefore that when ‘Christians’ are questioning what they believe and preach they are actually attacking them.  They cry, “Why do Christians attack other Christians!!”

[The answer – because there are two types of Christians in this world;  genuine Christians who follow the true gospel of Jesus Christ, who will never deny, insult or mock Jesus Christ in any way.  And then we have the fake Christians who follow a False Christ and in doing so deny, insult and mock the true Jesus Christ the only Son of God.]

Below is a ‘contemplation‘ as Emergents would call it by Freddie, a student from the University of Pretoria.  I have added my comments in green.

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Reaching out to others: Deception in the Church?