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You quote “The Seal of Spirit S8W lesson.” Second 8th Week is a DANGEROUS CULT, and if a cult that sees demonic beings in the sky, speaks in tongues that the Bible says has CEASED then you have just proved the Bible to be CORRECT.

See article here on Second 8th Week with discussions with head apostle Eric von Anderseck: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/28/mystery-christ-blowing-his-trumpet-at-mossel-bay-has-been-identified/

This post is evidence of private interpretation of scripture. The Holy Spirit does not teach us apart from His stewardship.

There are two types of tongues.

1) Tongues that we speak/pray for our own edification (The manifestation of tongues that accompanies the baptism of the Holy Spirit is given as a prayer language the believer can initiate anytime.)

I Cor.14:2: “For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.”

I Cor.14:4: “…….He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;”

I Cor.14:14: “For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.”

” The purpose of this manifestation of tongues is not rendered towards man, but towards God. The believer is speaking in an unknown tongue, praying mysteries to God. These mysteries have to do with the recovery of the soul from the fruits of iniquity, the healing of the soul from the effects of sin, and the release of the soul from its power. The Spirit of God is using tongues to make intercession for these things.” – The Seal of Spirit S8W lesson.

2) The gift of tongues and interpretation of tongues are 2 of the 9 gifts of the Spirit. This type of tongues is for the edification of the Body of Christ. It is an utterance from God rendered towards man and this is why it requires interpretation.

“Wherefore let him that speaks in an unknown tongue (in the assembly) pray that he may interpret,” ICor.14:13

If you don’t know the difference between the two then you cannot tell which one is being spoken about in the bible.

I still speak in tongues and i am an ex Christian. Some would say a back slider and others would say i never was a born again
Christian. However the habit remains even though i have lost my faith. Some times before i apply my conscious mind i speak in tongues in my subconscious in praise to Jesus.

Tongues is for personal edification as well as that of the body of Christ.Is it for real? I used to think so. However when we heard a message in tongues from one member and a translation of that message from another there were some doubts. The message and translation varied in lengths. The translation was mostly in line with what was to be preached that morning. Kind of like god,s endorsement of the preacher,s sermon.Now i think it was all foolishness.

It is sad to see all of this in the light of the revelation of Jesus Christ….No kingdom mindset will put God in a box. Most believers I meet have not even read the bible from Gen-Rev trough once and then they want to claim they know scripture, and want to tell God what to do, never been involved with dealing with broken people, now people badmouth other people. I would advice you to read history and study it. There is enough info on the time Paul spent in Arabia that would blow you away. Not knowing scripture, I can proof anything from the Bible even that there is no God. And if what is written here is true than more than 44 000000 Chinese people in the underground church is dammed to hell. What I read here is against the character of Christ, in the ongoing illumination of what His Kingdom is all about. General Booth was right in saying that the only army in the world that shoot their wounded is the army of Christ. Most South Africans have never spent more than one year in another culture then they want to claim they understand the Bible….sad story….Jesus was not a South African….

http://finding-the-church.blogspot.com/p/cessationism-vs-non-cessationism.html

The problem you have is that the manifest power of God follows Harold Weitz whereever he goes. Demons manifest, people are healed etc etc. If he was a false teacher the power of God would not be on and with him. God help you speaking out against men of God. Where’s the manifest power of God in your life, dear author of this nonsense? Because only if you can demonstrate that can you even begin to claim that your opinion is right and those of Ps Harold Weitz are wrong. Don’t even bother having a contrary opinion until you can demonstrate the manifest power of God.

[EDITED DTW note: This must be the WORST interpretation of scripture ever - Dominionists now have to come up with new reasoning as to why the bible says tongues ceased....]

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The imperfect, the incomplete = Tongues, prophecy and knowledge CEASED!

“When you are a born again Christian you do away with childish things and study the Word of God ONLY as it is perfect in every way.

Today speaking in tongues and prophesying is self-induced or demonic. If you speak in tongues I urge you to read your Bible and study the matter urgently and rid yourself of this childish behaviour or worse, demonic affliction.”

Read it again slowly…

1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

From the original greek according to Strongs.

but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail.

But whether there be prophecies (prophecy or prophesying) they shall fail (be abolished or done away with):

whether there be tongues, they shall cease;
whether (if too) there be toungues (language – Naturally aquired), they shall cease (quit, come to an end);

Think back,

Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.
Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

It was God that divied the languages in the beginning, When this time is finished. He will restore the languages to a single language. This is what is ment by the many languages ceasing. [Totally totally, totally, wrong interpretation of scripture, but nice try]

Languages and prophesy are now done in part, you get a peice here and a peice there. When Jesus returns there will be no need for seperate languages, nor will there be a need for prophesy. The veil that now seperates us from our home will be torn like that of the veil in the holy of holies. We will be able to come and go as we please. The full knowledge of God’s plan will become clear to us at that time.

Therefore, at that time we will no longer have need of such things as healing, discerning of spirits, prophesy, toungues, word of wisdom, word of knowledge, the gift of faith, interpretation of toungues and the other gifts. We will be in the presence of God himself. There will no more need of the things we experience today.

This is what is meant by looking through a glass darkly, and seeing in part. Once Christ returns, that mirror that seperates us will be shattered and we will see things for what they really are.

There will be a time when this takes place, it has not taken place yet. It will happen when Jesus returns to set his kingdom up. Until then, as a church to reach out to the nations and our communities need the gifts of the spirit to give an open display of the God we serve and this holiness.

Othewise, our beliefs and ideas are just talk…

Dennis

Having a spirit of false tongues enter you is DANGEROUS.

Dennis Waltrip

Dennis, pay attention, go read the article again and again until you get it.