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		<title>By: marj</title>
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		<dc:creator>marj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[deleted - I am sorry that you are a Calvinist, but that gives you no right to come and insult me because I expose false teaching, including the doctrine of Calvinism]</description>
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		<title>By: Dion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mandy,
I was touched by your comments and just like Deborah and a few others, I try and help people find the right place to worship for those who really serach for it. If you wish you should contact me via e-mail when I shall do my utmost to be of assistance in this regard. In the mean time, keep in touch with Deborah and this site as this will help you get to know more about discernment and the need for it in this fallen world where the job of truly Biblical Christians is to spread God&#039;s word as much as it is to admonish and aid others. I&#039;ll pray for you and I know others will also! Do not give up my friend; do not throw in the towel! Go the full distance; run the race and aim to finish it. Stay on the narrow road; press on and do not give up! He will give you the strength to carry on! He will help you through your search! He will help you endure to the very end! Only in Him can you do it! Hang in there and stay on your knees! God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_216194"><p>Dear Mandy,<br />
I was touched by your comments and just like Deborah and a few others, I try and help people find the right place to worship for those who really serach for it. If you wish you should contact me via e-mail when I shall do my utmost to be of assistance in this regard. In the mean time, keep in touch with Deborah and this site as this will help you get to know more about discernment and the need for it in this fallen world where the job of truly Biblical Christians is to spread God&#8217;s word as much as it is to admonish and aid others. I&#8217;ll pray for you and I know others will also! Do not give up my friend; do not throw in the towel! Go the full distance; run the race and aim to finish it. Stay on the narrow road; press on and do not give up! He will give you the strength to carry on! He will help you through your search! He will help you endure to the very end! Only in Him can you do it! Hang in there and stay on your knees! God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah (Discerning the World)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah (Discerning the World)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mandy

You are not alone, many many GENUINE Christians have left their churches because the church is now completely false. And there is no where to go.  There are little gems out there still preaching the truth, but are they in your area?  Who knows.  You can try go from church to church seeking out these little gems, but I can&#039;t guarantee you will find them.  I know I haven&#039;t and I have looked.  Every now and then my husband takes me church hunting and we come back home tired, drained of energy (because you have to give the pastor a once over on what they believe) and you think to yourself afterwards, &#039;why did I waste my time&#039;.  I know of many great Christians BUT they do not live anywhere near where I live, so it&#039;s impossible to fellowship with them, except over the phone or via the internet.  And my teacher is not a man aka pastor but the Holy Spirit - what better teacher than that can you get? He never lies, and He leads me into TRUTH all the time :)  When I get stuck on issues, I have certain people I communicate with and ask questions regarding Theology.   So good luck in the church hopping :) but rest assured Mandy that the Holy Spirit would want you to stay at home with Him instead.  We are in the last of the last days, fellowship is going to be very hard to come by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_216185"><p>mandy</p>
<p>You are not alone, many many GENUINE Christians have left their churches because the church is now completely false. And there is no where to go.  There are little gems out there still preaching the truth, but are they in your area?  Who knows.  You can try go from church to church seeking out these little gems, but I can&#8217;t guarantee you will find them.  I know I haven&#8217;t and I have looked.  Every now and then my husband takes me church hunting and we come back home tired, drained of energy (because you have to give the pastor a once over on what they believe) and you think to yourself afterwards, &#8216;why did I waste my time&#8217;.  I know of many great Christians BUT they do not live anywhere near where I live, so it&#8217;s impossible to fellowship with them, except over the phone or via the internet.  And my teacher is not a man aka pastor but the Holy Spirit &#8211; what better teacher than that can you get? He never lies, and He leads me into TRUTH all the time :)  When I get stuck on issues, I have certain people I communicate with and ask questions regarding Theology.   So good luck in the church hopping :) but rest assured Mandy that the Holy Spirit would want you to stay at home with Him instead.  We are in the last of the last days, fellowship is going to be very hard to come by.</p>
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		<title>By: mandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about this but i accidently wandered onto your site, i have just come out of organised religion, backround of pentecostal then evangelical. im reading all this stuff, and im thinking gosh where do i go, where is safe.
i have had enough of what goes on inside churches, just doesn&#039;t fit what Jesus taught any more. i have had enough, but yet yearn to be with fellow christians, but have recently found out i have been shunned by my ex church goers, now im out in the cold. Sorry if this appears like a random message.
mandy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_216180"><p>Sorry about this but i accidently wandered onto your site, i have just come out of organised religion, backround of pentecostal then evangelical. im reading all this stuff, and im thinking gosh where do i go, where is safe.<br />
i have had enough of what goes on inside churches, just doesn&#8217;t fit what Jesus taught any more. i have had enough, but yet yearn to be with fellow christians, but have recently found out i have been shunned by my ex church goers, now im out in the cold. Sorry if this appears like a random message.<br />
mandy</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The topic is on here Dirk.
Enlighten yourself - this is the heading:

as-christians-we-must-judge-righteously</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_215805"><p>The topic is on here Dirk.<br />
Enlighten yourself &#8211; this is the heading:</p>
<p>as-christians-we-must-judge-righteously</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, or false?
Does it matter?
Doesn`t God`s word tell us not to judge?
Everyone will be judged, by God.
Only he can see into our hearts, only he knows true from false.
And so, it does not matter.
Everyone should stay true to God`s word.
Do we realy need to follow any human?
I don`t think we should.
Follow God`s word.
Only through God`s words of truth can we find salvation.
I`ld like to point out that God`s witnesses will be ridiculed.
So who is to say, that not all of you are making these words come true by doing just that?
(and no, i don`t say that Andrew Strom is God`s witness, nor do i say he is not!).
Stay true to God, and follow no human, and it will be impossible for anyone to deceive you!
I don`t know Andrew Strom, which is fine.
I follow Jesus Christ alone,.
For only He can lead us to God!

Just a thaught...

Kind regards, Dirk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_215599"><p>True, or false?<br />
Does it matter?<br />
Doesn`t God`s word tell us not to judge?<br />
Everyone will be judged, by God.<br />
Only he can see into our hearts, only he knows true from false.<br />
And so, it does not matter.<br />
Everyone should stay true to God`s word.<br />
Do we realy need to follow any human?<br />
I don`t think we should.<br />
Follow God`s word.<br />
Only through God`s words of truth can we find salvation.<br />
I`ld like to point out that God`s witnesses will be ridiculed.<br />
So who is to say, that not all of you are making these words come true by doing just that?<br />
(and no, i don`t say that Andrew Strom is God`s witness, nor do i say he is not!).<br />
Stay true to God, and follow no human, and it will be impossible for anyone to deceive you!<br />
I don`t know Andrew Strom, which is fine.<br />
I follow Jesus Christ alone,.<br />
For only He can lead us to God!</p>
<p>Just a thaught&#8230;</p>
<p>Kind regards, Dirk</p>
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		<title>By: peggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that  all people who belong to Jesus should be correcting each other in love. This fighting and feuding causes some to stumble. Tell me-is Andrew&#039;s first priority one of getting people saved? I see Andrew talk&#039;s good about David Wilkerson. That is a plus in my eyes. The church has been focusing on the gifts instead of the giver. I heard Carter Conlon giving his thoughts on Wilkerson at his memorial. He said he only saw David one time dancing in the spirit and he didnt know he was being seen. None of us will ever have all the answers but we need to hear how to make it in these days we are in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_215574"><p>I thought that  all people who belong to Jesus should be correcting each other in love. This fighting and feuding causes some to stumble. Tell me-is Andrew&#8217;s first priority one of getting people saved? I see Andrew talk&#8217;s good about David Wilkerson. That is a plus in my eyes. The church has been focusing on the gifts instead of the giver. I heard Carter Conlon giving his thoughts on Wilkerson at his memorial. He said he only saw David one time dancing in the spirit and he didnt know he was being seen. None of us will ever have all the answers but we need to hear how to make it in these days we are in.</p>
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		<title>By: Raphael Gamaroff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raphael Gamaroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elmarie wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;3. Universal, divine, determinism makes God the author of sin and precludes human responsibility. In contrast to the Molinist view, on the deterministic view even the movement of the human will is caused by God. God moves people to choose evil, and they cannot do otherwise. God determines their choices and makes them do wrong. If it is evil to make another person do wrong, then on this view God is not only the cause of sin and evil, but becomes evil Himself, which is absurd. By the same token, all human responsibility for sin has been removed. For our choices are not really up to us: God causes us to make them. We cannot be responsible for our actions, for nothing we think or do is up to us.&lt;/

Where in he Bible does it say that &quot;God moves people to choose evil?&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_215463"><p>Elmarie wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>3. Universal, divine, determinism makes God the author of sin and precludes human responsibility. In contrast to the Molinist view, on the deterministic view even the movement of the human will is caused by God. God moves people to choose evil, and they cannot do otherwise. God determines their choices and makes them do wrong. If it is evil to make another person do wrong, then on this view God is not only the cause of sin and evil, but becomes evil Himself, which is absurd. By the same token, all human responsibility for sin has been removed. For our choices are not really up to us: God causes us to make them. We cannot be responsible for our actions, for nothing we think or do is up to us.&lt;/</p>
<p>Where in he Bible does it say that &quot;God moves people to choose evil?&quot;.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[deleted because you don&#039;t have one nice word to say]</description>
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		<title>By: Derek Hale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Hale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE continue in your God given work by exposing Andrew STROM.
I have recently been ejected from his JBTV forum site.

No hard feelings.I made a mess of things with my manner when commenting against ignorance and souls being led astray on the site.

Andrew rules HIS site with a rod of iron and will not accept any opposing views on anything.He seems to see the purpose of the site as a God given forum to teach others and bring them to His understandings.

It is as though Andrew believes he can walk on water and cannot be wrong.

I have described him on the site as a Pharisee and I maintain that this is what he is.He is appalled at such a suggestion,in true Pharisee style.

I was booted out.I am deeply concerned for the souls who contribute to this site. They hang on his every word.He rarely ventures onto the forum and when he does it is to exercise his authority.Most of the contributors revere him.

Just two days ago moves were made on site under his direction to have another member booted out.This other member is much more in touch with the Spirit Fruits than I and he brings amazing understanding and insight to the forum.

I am tempted to say it is sad but sad is not the correct word.It is wicked and clearly a spirit that is not of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_186501"><p>PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE continue in your God given work by exposing Andrew STROM.<br />
I have recently been ejected from his JBTV forum site.</p>
<p>No hard feelings.I made a mess of things with my manner when commenting against ignorance and souls being led astray on the site.</p>
<p>Andrew rules HIS site with a rod of iron and will not accept any opposing views on anything.He seems to see the purpose of the site as a God given forum to teach others and bring them to His understandings.</p>
<p>It is as though Andrew believes he can walk on water and cannot be wrong.</p>
<p>I have described him on the site as a Pharisee and I maintain that this is what he is.He is appalled at such a suggestion,in true Pharisee style.</p>
<p>I was booted out.I am deeply concerned for the souls who contribute to this site. They hang on his every word.He rarely ventures onto the forum and when he does it is to exercise his authority.Most of the contributors revere him.</p>
<p>Just two days ago moves were made on site under his direction to have another member booted out.This other member is much more in touch with the Spirit Fruits than I and he brings amazing understanding and insight to the forum.</p>
<p>I am tempted to say it is sad but sad is not the correct word.It is wicked and clearly a spirit that is not of God.</p>
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