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Israel and the Church in Prophecy:
A Biblical Discourse on the Pre-tribulation Rapture
Prof. Johan Malan
For the correct understanding of the Bible, and especially end-time prophecies, Israel and the church should be clearly distinguished from one another. The prophetic future of Israel as a people is fundamentally different to that of the church. Israel are restored to their land in unbelief where they will conclude a covenant with the false messiah and pass through the time of Jacob’s trouble under his reign. This will be a worldwide time of tribulation and divine judgements upon all unbelievers. A remnant of Israel will be saved from the seven-year distress when they see the true Messiah set foot on the Mount of Olives. After that, they will be the leading nation in the Messiah’s thousand-year reign of peace on earth.
The disciples of the Lord Jesus among all nations, that is the true church of Christ, are not destined for the time of antichristian tribulation and divine judgements upon unbelievers, and will escape it by way of the rapture. Since they will be caught up to heaven as a united group the first resurrection, which is only for believers, will take place shortly before the rapture. The living saints will get new bodies without dying. Immediately after that, all the saints will by caught up with glorified bodies to appear before the judgement seat of Christ, receive their rewards and be united with Him as the bride of the Lamb. During the subsequent seven years they will be around the throne when the Lamb will judge the world in righteousness. At the end of the seven years they will return to the earth with Christ where He will destroy the enemies of His kingdom, save the remnant of Israel and the nations, and establish His reign of peace on earth.
The purpose of this article is to show the differences between Israel and the church. In the light of these facts it will be evident that there will be s seven-year period of Israel’s divine history during which God will allow great distress upon Israel and the equally unbelieving nations. There is not a single prophecy which indicates that the church will pass through this seven-year period. For that reason, Christ will remove His bridal congregation from earth before the start of this dark period in the history of the world.
The biblical knowledge needed to make a clear distinction between Israel and the church is a condition for the correct view about the rapture, as well as its right place in God’s plan for the ages. When people are unable to understand these differences the rapture is first moved to a wrong place and later denied and rejected. Certain promises, e.g. on the end-time restoration to their own land, were only given to Israel, while other promises, e.g. on the rapture, were only given to the true church of Jesus Christ.
The dispensation of Israel
The divine history of Israel started four thousand years ago at the calling of Abraham. He was the first Hebrew (Gen. 14:13); consequently, his descendants through Isaac and Jacob were called Hebrews (Ex. 2:11) who also speak the Hebrew language (Acts 22:2). A “Hebrew” means “Someone who has crossed over.” It refers to the fact that the Hebrew people crossed over from the heathendom to God’s kingdom. I a literal sense, Abraham, after his calling, crossed the Euphrates River to a land which God had promised to him and his descendants.
Later, when Jacob’s name was changed to “Israel” (Gen. 35:10), his descendants in the twelve tribes were referred to as “Israelites” (“Warriors for God” – Gen. 49:28). Several centuries later, the same people acquired a third name when they became known as “Jews.” One of the twelve tribes of Israel, i.e. Judah, became the royal tribe. The first king from this tribe was David, from whose descendants the Messiah-King, Jesus, was born. After the death of Solomon, Israel became divided into two kingdoms comprising the southern kingdom of Judah (the tribes of Judah and Benjamin) and the northern kingdom of Israel, comprising the other ten tribes. In course of time, members of the southern kingdom were called “Jews” (2 Kings 16:6).
The division of Israel into two kingdoms was terminated by the Assyrian captivity of Israel and the Babylonian captivity of Judah. During their captivity, members of the twelve tribes became reunited and were restored to their land as a united people composed of twelve tribes. Since that time they were called both “Jews” and “Israelites” even to this day (see Ezra 6:8,16-17,21; Neh. 1:6; 4:1; Jn. 3:1,10). The name “Hebrews” also still applies to them as a third name. Paul says: “I am indeed a Jew (Acts 22:3)… I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham (Rom. 11:1)… a Hebrew of the Hebrews” (Phil. 3:5).
Not one of these names can be transferred to the New Testament church, and we cannot even in a spiritual sense refer to ourselves as “Israel.” The “true Israel” or the “spiritual Israel” refers to saved Jews who are also circumcised in their hearts. Only they are in the true (spiritual) sense of the word “Israelites” or “Jews” who qualify to be described as the people of God. The Lord is not pleased with the unsaved members of this people and has pronounced His judgements upon them (1 Cor. 10:5). For this reason, He says: “For they are not all Israel who are of Israel” (Rom. 9:6). This distinction is made spiritually: “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God” (Rom. 2:28-29).
In Israel there is, like in all other peoples, only a small minority true children of God who are on the narrow way while the majority are spiritually dead and children of the devil (Jn. 8:39-44). Because of their descent, the majority are still called Jews or Israelites but it has no spiritual significance to them. Ultimately, only the spiritual remnant of Israel will be counted worthy to inherit God’s promises that were made to His covenant people (see Rom. 9:27). God made the promises to Israel within the context of several covenants.
Never in the entire history of Israel was there ever the slightest doubt about the validity of the promises that God made to the founding fathers of this nation. The Lord Himself was, and still is, the guarantor of the Abrahamic (Gen. 15:18), Canaanitic (Num. 33:51–34:15) and Davidic (2 Sam. 7:12-16; Ps. 89:3-4, 34-37) covenants which ensure the eternal allocation of the land as well as the permanence of David’s throne. Israel’s exile from the land because of disobedience cannot invalidate these covenants. Even if Israel is unfaithful, God remains a faithful covenant-keeping God who will again restore the nation to their land.
A solemn assurance to this effect was given long before the Babylonian captivity and the international diaspora: “And yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break My covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God. But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD” (Lev. 26:44-45).
Daniel 9:24-27 describes Israel’s divine history since the end of the Babylonian captivity to the start of the Messiah’s reign of peace within the chronological framework of 70 year-weeks. During this time, two messiahs will play prominent roles – the true Messiah and the false messiah:
“Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times. And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off; but not for Himself; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, and till the end of the war desolations are determined. Then he [the false messiah] shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate” (Dan. 9:24-27).
This is one of the clearest pronouncements in the Bible on the dispensational position of Israel since the time of their restoration from the Babylonian captivity in the 5th century BC until the dawn of the Messianic kingdom. A first remark on the 70 weeks (or year-weeks) is that they refer to an exact period. A year-week is seven years long: “Six years you shall sow your field… but in the seventh year there shall be a sabbath of solemn rest for the land, a sabbath to the Lord (Lev. 25:3-4). After every seven year-weeks, the 50th year, which is the first year of the following week, is celebrated as a jubilee (Lev. 25:8-10).
Modern Israel has re-instituted their biblical year-weeks and in these cycles orthodox Jews celebrate every seventh year as a sabbath. Their present year-week started on 1st Tishri 2001 (September 2001 on the Gregorian calendar) and will be followed by the next year-week on 1st Tishri 2008. Israel observes a lunar calendar in which each month starts with the new moon and every year on the 1st Tishri (referred to as the Rosh Hashanah). Tishri is the first month on Israel’s civil calendar, but the seventh month on their religious calendar (Lev. 23:24). The latter commences in the spring month, Nissan, referring to the new life that dawned for Israel during their exodus from Egypt (Ex. 12:2). Since a complete lunar cycle until the next new moon is only 29½ days, a year on the lunar calendar is 354 days long – 11¼ days shorter than a seasonal (or solar) year. Because of this, Israel often have leap years to which a 13th month is added. In this way they harmonise their calendar with seasonal years as Tishri, in the northern hemisphere, should always coincide with autumn when it is harvest time in Israel, being a winter rainfall area.
However, the seventy year-weeks of Daniel are neither solar years nor lunar years, but 490 prophetic years of 360 days each (see Rev. 11:2-3, 12:6 and 13:5 which refers to the two halves of the 70th year-week as 42 months and also as 1260 days, being months of 30 days each). In connection with the prophetic period of 70 year-weeks, we should clearly note the following facts:
- The 70 year-weeks started when the decree was issued to rebuild Jerusalem.
- The period was interrupted at the end of the 69th week when the Messiah was rejected.
- The 70th week will commence when a covenant is concluded with the false messiah.
- Israel will revoke their covenant with the false messiah in the middle of the 70th week.
- The 70 year-weeks will only be concluded when the whole Israel is saved after being individually and nationally reconciled to the Messiah.
When clarity has been obtained about the conclusion of this period, all unbiblical interpretations are nullified. Few people would argue about the beginning of the 70 year-weeks as being the decree by Xerxes in 445 BC that Jerusalem was to be rebuilt by the Jews who were in exile (Neh. 2:1). However, many conflicting assumptions are made about the consummation of the 70 year-weeks. Some people attempt to conclude the entire period of 490 prophetic years at the crucifixion of Christ, while others view the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 as the end of the period. We should always observe the following conditions that will prevail after the final fulfilment of this prophecy, and these promises will only be fulfilled after the second coming of the Messiah and Israel’s national reconciliation to Him:
1. At the end of the 490 years God will finish the transgression of Israel when they will make an end of sins by virtue of the Messiah making reconciliation for iniquity. The verb kala means to bring something to an end, to finish it. Israel’s sin of disobedience will be brought to an end at the Messiah’s second coming: “In that day a fountain shall be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for uncleanness” (Zech. 13:1). The atoning work that was in principle done at Calvary will then, in practice, be accepted in faith by the entire Israel. On that day, the remnant of Israel will look on Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son (Zech. 12:10). “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob” (Rom. 11:26). After this event, the whole nation will be reconciled to God and serve Him with a pure heart (Jer. 32:38-40). A situation like this has never prevailed during the long history of Israel, and clearly indicates that the 70 year-weeks have not yet expired. The presently restored Israel (except for a very small minority of Messianic Jews) reject Jesus as Messiah as clearly as their forefathers of the first century did. A comprehensive national reconciliation with the Messiah should occur before the following prophecy will be fulfilled: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah… I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts: and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord, for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more” (Jer. 31:31-34; emphasis added).
2. After Israel have been reconciled to God, everlasting righteousness will be brought in to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy. The phrase “everlasting righteousness” literally means “righteousness of ages” and is a prophecy that God will establish an age characterised by righteousness. This is a reference to the millennial kingdom (Isa. 60:21; Jer. 23:5-6). God will also “seal up vision and prophecy.” All that God through the prophets said He would do in fulfilling His covenant with Israel will be fully realised after the 70 year-weeks in the millennial kingdom. The remnant in Israel will then all be saved and restored in their land, and the Messiah will rule over the whole world from the restored throne of David in Jerusalem. This situation clearly does not prevail yet. Until all these prophecies are finally fulfilled they remain unsealed. When the “Anointed One” (the Messiah) has come God will “anoint the Most Holy.” His servants, the seat of government in Jerusalem, as well as the millennial temple, will be holy to the Lord.
Since the year-weeks are recognised units of time in Israel’s chronology we are here dealing with a very literal and exact prophecy. From the going forth of the command to restore Jerusalem, seven year-weeks have elapsed until the city, the temple and the wall around the city were built. Subsequently, another 62 year-weeks of troubled times elapsed during which Jerusalem was occupied and further expanded until the coming of the Messiah. In total, 69 year-weeks have elapsed until the Anointed One would be cut off (the crucifixion of the Messiah).
History indeed proves that 69 year-weeks (483 prophetic years) have elapsed since 1 Nissan 445 BC when King Artaxerxes granted permission to Nehemiah on to rebuild Jerusalem (Neh. 2:1-8), until the crucifixion of Messiah on 14 Nissan 32 AD. The period of 483 prophetic years of 360 days each represents 173 880 days. If this number is divided by 365¼ it equals 476,06 years on our Gregorian calendar. On this calendar, the period of 69 year-weeks elapsed between 23rd March 445 BC and Friday, 11th April 32 AD, and was terminated on the day when Jesus was crucified. All that then remained in the divine history of Israel as a nation until the dawning of the Messianic reign was seven years – the 70th year-week of Daniel, when Israel will conclude a covenant with the false messiah.
It is obvious that the rejection and crucifixion of the Messiah would interrupt Israel’s divine history. Jesus told the Jews that their house (Jerusalem) would be destroyed and become desolate because they rejected Him as their promised Messiah-King (Mt. 23:37-38). In consequence, He would leave them until a future time when they will accept Him as their Messiah: “For I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!’” (Mt. 23:39).
Before Israel would be restored to their land, with an own government that can take decisions on the rebuilding of the temple and conclude a national covenant with the Messiah or the false messiah, they would first, for a long time, be dispersed among the nations while the time of Gentiles takes its course. Jesus said to them that they would “be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled” (Lk. 21:24). This clearly implies that, in the last days, Israel would be restored to the land which God gave to their fathers: “Thus says the Lord God: Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land” (Ezek. 37:21). The Jewish population of Israel has grown to 5,4 million in 2004, which is almost the same figure as that of the American Jews. By about 2007, Israel will have the largest Jewish population in the world. That will constitute an important demographic turning point as Israel will then, since the start of the Diaspora in AD 70, have the largest concentration of Jews anywhere in the world. According to orthodox rabbis, the Israeli government will only then be in a position to take binding decisions and conclude covenants on behalf of all Jews.
Seven years before the second coming of the Messiah Israel will, during the 70th year-week, conclude a covenant with the false messiah. Jesus clearly warned them against this serious mistake: “I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive” (Jn. 5:43). It is clear that the interruption in the 70 year-weeks followed on the rejection of the Messiah, and will last until the day when Israel concludes a covenant with the false messiah. On that day, the countdown of the last seven years of their divined history before the start of the Messiah’s millennial reign will begin.
We are now living in the time of the progressive restoration of Israel and their capital city, Jerusalem. That is a clear indication that the 70th year-week of their divine history since the end of the Babylonian captivity will soon begin. According to Daniel 9:26-27 it will take effect when a “prince who is to come” (the Antichrist, or false messiah), will conclude a covenant with Israel and many other nations. His appearance will probably coincide with the prophesied Russo-Arab war in Israel (Ezek. 38-39), in which he will claim credit for the victory. At a critical moment, he will come to the rescue of Israel and will also be praised by all nations for having averted a threatening third world war and an international economic collapse.
These highly dramatic events will greatly influence the Jewish people, their government and their religious leaders. They will become even more excited when this self-declared messiah claims the throne of David by producing deceptive ‘evidence’ that he is a direct descendant of David. Israel will conclude a covenant with him – thereby officially recognising him as the promised Messiah. He will grant them the right to rebuild the temple and re-institute the sacrificial service, as that would be a clear sign of the continued rejection of the Messiahship of Jesus and His once for all sacrifice on the cross.
During the celebrations that will mark the inauguration of the false messiah, a spiritual revival will occur in which 144 000 Jews will accept Jesus Christ (Yeshua Ha Mashiach) as the true Messiah (Rev. 7:4) and outrightly reject their government’s covenant with Satan’s “angel of light.” Their public stand against the false messiah will lead to severe persecution against them. The false peace of the Antichrist will only last for 3½ years. In the middle of the week of seven years he will enter the Most Holy place of the rebuilt temple and declare himself to be God (2 Thes. 2:4). An image of him will be placed in the Holy of holies and all people everywhere commanded to worship his image (Rev. 13:14-15). Israel’s sacrificial service will then be terminated: “In the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations there shall be one who makes desolate” (Dan. 9:27).
Israel will be greatly disillusioned when they realise that they have been worshipping a false messiah who pretends to be God Himself. They will immediately terminate their covenant with him. On that day the Jews will have to flee for their lives as the false messiah will perpetrate genocide against them (Mt. 24:15-22). Daniel also refers to this terrible time of persecution, when flattery will also be used to deceive many Jews:
“And forces shall be mustered by him [the false messiah], and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue. And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purge them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time. Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god” (Dan. 11:31-36).
This arrogant leader “shall come to his end, and no one will help him” (Dan. 11:45). The true Messiah will destroy him during His second coming (2 Thes. 2:8; Rev. 19:19-20). That will bring about a sudden end to his seven year reign of terror and thus also the end to the 70th year-week of Daniel.
From the prophecies on the 70 year-weeks of Israel’s history before the Messiah’s reign it is evident that Israel would “cut off” the true Messiah at the end of 69 year-weeks, thereby rejecting God’s divine plan for the nation, become dispersed from their land, and that, just before the start of the 70th week, they would be back in their land in great numbers to conclude a covenant with the false messiah. These prophetic events indisputable underscore he fact that the entire 70th week will be an integral part of Israel’s divine history and thus not a part of the church dispensation. The church dispensation, which coincides with the temporary rejection and long international dispersion of Israel, must first be concluded before the 70th year-week can commence.
At the end of the 70th year-week there will be a highly dramatic intervention by God in the history of the Jewish people. It will prevent the false messiah’s attempted annihilation of Israel and lead to their salvation by being reconciled to the Messiah when He comes. Everlasting righteousness will then be brought to Israel, and all of them will serve God with one accord through the Messiah. The culmination of their divine history will occur during the subsequent thousand year-reign of the Messiah. All nations will seek their favour as it will be evident that God is with them in a very special way (Zech. 8:22-23).
The 70th year-week will be just as literal as the first 69 year-weeks between Israel’s restoration from the Babylonian captivity and the rejection and crucifixion of the Messiah. The Bible clearly states that the last year-week will be counted in years (7 years, or 2X3½ years), in months (2X42 months) and even in days (2X1260 days). The only unknown factor is the time when the church dispensation will be terminated by the rapture, leading to the revelation of the Antichrist and his seven-year covenant with Israel and the nations. The advanced stage of Israel’s restoration in their land since the budding of the fig tree in 1948, as well as Jerusalem’s constitutional restoration in 1980 as Israel’s capital city, are indicators that the final year-week is at hand.
Dispensation of the church
With the birth of Jesus the Messiah did come, subsequently offering the opportunity to Israel to enter the Messianic era should they accept Him as their Messiah-King. However, that did not happen and “the Anointed One [was] killed, His kingdom still unrealised” (Dan. 9:26; Living Bible). He came to His own people, and they did not receive Him (Jn. 1:11). Because of their national rejection of Jesus as Messiah, God’s watch in Israel’s divine history had stopped. Consequently, a very long gap ensued between the 69th and 70th year-weeks, during which the kingdom of God was established mainly among the Gentile nations.
After His resurrection, Jesus commanded His disciples to preach the Gospel to all nations on earth (Mk. 16:15). The ensuing period is referred to as the times of the Gentiles (Lk. 21:24), not the time of Israel, as the non-Jewish world would then get an opportunity to be saved. Individual Jews are also saved during this period, but as a people they would remain rejected and dispersed. This situation would prevail until the end of the church dispensation when Israel and Jerusalem would be restored and the last generation take its course up to the start of the 70th week of Daniel: “And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled” (Lk. 21:24; cf. Rom. 11:25). From this Scripture it is evident that there will be a time of restoration for Jerusalem and its inhabitants in order that the last year-week before the coming of the Messiah can be fulfilled.
The church dispensation was a mystery that was not revealed to Daniel. That is the reason why he did not refer to it and described the 70 year-weeks as a seemingly continuous period. The long time of Israel’s spiritual blinding because of their rejection of the Messiah was also a mystery that was not revealed to Daniel. These mysteries were revealed to Paul: “For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that hardening in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob” (Rom. 11:25-26). After the period of world evangelisation Israel will, as a people, enter the kingdom of God by all accepting the Messiah-King.
Although individual Jews can be saved and thus become members of the body of Christ during the church dispensation, the people of Israel, as a nation, would remain dispersed and spiritually blinded until the end-time. In Romans 16:25, Paul says that the mystery of the preaching of Jesus Christ to all nations was kept secret since the world began (cf. Col. 1:26-27). None of the Old Testament prophets knew about it. Another mystery of the church dispensation is the promise of the glorification and catching away of the true church. Those who died in Christ will receive glorified bodies during the first resurrection, while the living believers will be changed from corruptible to incorruptible beings in the twinkling of an eye (1 Cor. 15:51-53). Immediately afterwards, they will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thes. 4:16-17).
These mysteries that were revealed in the New Testament are only applicable to the church dispensation. The formal start of this dispensation was during the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. After the Lord Jesus was rejected by Israel and delivered to the Romans to be crucified, He was buried and rose from the dead on the third day. Before His ascension He commanded His disciples to preach the Gospel to all nations (Mt. 18:19). However, they were instructed to wait on the outpouring of the Holy Spirit before starting with their ministry (Lk. 24:46-49). Afterwards, both Jews and non-Jews became members of the hitherto unknown body of Christ among all nations, i.e. the assembly, or church, of Christ. The dispensation of the church will continue until the day when Jesus Christ will take them away to heaven (Jn. 14:2-3).
When the true church, which is a temple of the Holy Spirit, is suddenly taken away, the light of the world will disappear to make way for great spiritual darkness. The false messiah will then be revealed without any resistance and conclude his covenant with Israel and the deceived nations. Paul says: “For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. And the lawless one [the Antichrist] will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming” (2 Thes. 2:7-8).
The dispensation of the church will, therefore, be terminated by the rapture, immediately to be followed by the revelation of the false messiah and the start of his seven-year long reign on earth. At the end of his relatively short reign of terror the true Messiah will come and destroy the false messiah with a word from His mouth. John says: “And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh” (Rev. 19:19-21).
During the 70th year-week, many people on earth will be saved but that time will not form part of the church dispensation. They will all die as martyrs (Rev. 6:9-11) as they will not enjoy the following promise of the Lord Jesus which was only applicable to the church dispensation: “…on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it” (Mt. 16:18). With regard to the coming tribulation period under the rule of the Antichrist we read: “And it was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And he was given authority over every tribe, tongue, and nation” (Rev. 13:7).
A dramatic rescue operation
Apart from taking the bride away to enjoy the glory of heaven, the rapture also constitutes a dramatic rescue operation in which true believers will be removed from the scene of imminent divine judgement. Although the rapture is a unique occurrence, there are examples in the Bible of times when God poured out His wrath, but provided an escape route to true believers since they were not the objects of His wrath. There has often in history been the evil-inspired persecution of believers but never divine judgements.
In the days of Noah, God announced His judgements upon a wicked and depraved generation: “And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make thee an ark…” (Gen. 6:13-14).
Shortly before the outpouring of God’s judgements eight believers escaped the disaster area by entering the ark. God Himself closed the door behind them before He judged the wicked who despised God’s way of escape (Gen. 7:11-23).
In the time of Lot another rescue operation took place. The night before Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, Lot and his family received an urgent command to depart from the area marked out for judgement. The angels urged Lot to leave Sodom and helped him and his family to do so before they destroyed it. Shortly after their departure, fire and brimstone rained down on the ungodly (Gen. 19:13-25).
The Lord Jesus says that there is a clear correlation between these historical events and God’s end-time dealing with believers and unbelievers: “And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man: They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed” (Lk. 17:26-30; also read Genesis chaps. 6,7&19).
The depravity which characterised the time of both Noah and Lot is typical of the spiritual, moral and social decline of the last days. The minds of those at enmity with God are darkened and they persist in pride and rebellion until disaster and judgement befalls them.
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Noah and Lot had to remonstrate with the ungodly people of their time with persistent warnings. Christian believers of the church era have an even greater responsibility to fulfil their role as the salt of a corrupt earth and the light of a dark world. The church indwelt by the Holy Spirit is opposing the iniquitous spirit of the Antichrist in advance of his coming: “And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders” (2 Thes. 2:6-9).
“The great and the terrible day of the Lord” (Joel 2:31) will not come prior to the rapture and the subsequent revelation of Antichrist. That awful period of judgement will be preceded by a great “falling away” (2 Thes. 2:3). This Greek term (apostasia) literally means “to depart”. When the truth departs, the lie prevails. When Christians depart at the rapture, spiritual darkness will prevail on earth.
While Christians remain on earth they are expected to make a bold stand for the truth, thus restraining the build-up of antichristian forces. After their departure at the rapture, the Antichrist will be able to take over the world unopposed. A spirit of delusion will then prevail and, as “the man of sin” (2 Thes. 2:3), the Antichrist will display to the entire world a personal example of an utterly amoral, godless life-style.
The Antichrist cannot be revealed until the one who restrains him has been taken out of the way. This role is fulfilled by the church as the body of Christ indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Do not attach any credibility to the theory that the rapture will occur in the middle of the tribulation period of seven years. After 3½ years the Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel, desecrate the temple and declare himself to be God (Dan. 9:27, 11:36-37; Mt. 24:15-21; 2 Thes. 2:4). Then Israel will have to flee to the wilderness for survival (Mt. 24:16; Rev. 12:14). This flight to the wilderness in the middle of the seven-year tribulation period is not to be confused with the rapture. It is something quite different.
The unscriptural teaching of a mid-tribulation or a post-tribulation rapture leads to a warped perspective and wrong priorities. Instead of awaiting the coming of Christ, people are awaiting the Antichrist. In this way they compromise their commitment to Christ. Instead of striving for sanctification in expectation of the imminent coming of the heavenly Bridegroom, they start planning an earthly survival strategy for the tribulation period. Such activities are irrelevant as they are motivated by a distorted prophetic vision of future events.
The command to us is not to prepare for the coming of the Antichrist, but for the coming of Jesus Christ! We should remain engaged in His work until He comes. If we are constantly occupied with the work assigned to us by Christ, we will not be on earth when the Antichrist is revealed. People who think that they can calculate the time of the rapture by waiting for the Antichrist to come and then add another 3½ years until the Lord comes, are missing the point and also a very important aspect of the prophecies.
Source: http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Pretribrapture.htm
The Prof says:
We should remain engaged in His work until He comes. If we are constantly occupied with the work assigned to us by Christ, we will not be on earth when the Antichrist is revealed.
Another statement that shows he believes in an unscriptural partial rapture, that one had better watch one’s Ps & Qs or one will be left behind. This is an example of not believing in eternal security of the BELIEVER that leads to false belief.
Burning Lamp
Yes this is unscriptural because the Bible tells us to WATCH AND PRAY – we watch for Jesus’s return which can happen sooooooooon.
God knows the very last soul that will be saved. Until that point in this, we as little people can’t do anything. But though all this, yes we carry on living a normal life.
There is no ways a person an be in an utter state of perfection when Jesus raptures the church. Impossible. The most perfect place to be would to be in prayer. This is nuts. The reason why God gave us His Son Jesus and shed His blood on the Cross for us was because the LAW was just impossible to follow. So the law was written into out hearts and Grace took it’s place.
We are sinners saved by Jesus Christ under Grace. Johan Malans’ P’s and Q’s are Law.
Example. You are a born again Christian, you had a very very bad week at work, the stress is killing you, you wife is having a hard time coping with the kids, you can’t afford their school stuff. You are driving along the road and a car cuts you off in the process you nearly have an accident – and you explode and you swear, you jump out of the car and you swear some more. You are so upset. The rapture takes place – is he going to be left behind because of that moment he lost the plot? No.
Deborah, thank you for expounding on this and giving an example that we all can relate to.
When I accepted Christ as my Savior, He accepted me into the beloved and He knew every sin I would commit until the day of my death. He accepted me lock, stock and barrel. He knew exactly what He was getting – a sinner who needed the mercy of His grace. I thank Him with tears for His great love, sacrifice, generosity and mercy. Those who do not grasp this wonderful truth are missing such a blessing. There is no license to sin of cheap grace – but if one does fall into sin or disobey they can expect to be taken to God’s woodshed for discipline. That is what a loving parent does.
Deborah
Agree, agree. These statements you make are in agreement with an example I sketched in an email about drumming and tourists I sent a while ago… I think you might have received it aswell.
There is little value in understanding that which is in the Word, and not applying it practically. Any other understanding of how eternal security relates to our everyday lives is simply illogical.
I agree that it is not about keeping the law. It is about FAITH…trusting in the Power of God to save us. That is what we must hold firm until the end.
Colossians 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and NOT MOVED AWAY FROM THE HOPE OF THE GOSPEL that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.
Remember Arbaham, though he knew his body was as good as dead, did not waver in unbelief, but trusted that GOD would do as He promised! He never stopped believing that God would provide a son.
The same way we must continue to put our trust in the Gospel.We must not trust in our own strength, but in God’s saving power.
You are correct that no one will acheive a sinless position. The keeping of the law is the stubling stone, the rock of offense. The one who trusts in the law will live by it, meaning actually that it will bring them death, because the law brings wrath. We are not under law, but under grace.
It is not how sanctified we are at his coming, but whether we are trusting in Him or not.
Grant
Oh and by swearing I am talking about swearing in a normal sense, not the F word. As a born again Christian you should not be saying that word anyhow, and if someone is still having a problem with that they ask Jesus for forgiveness when it happens and ask Jesus to help them stop.
But it all goes back to God knowing what is happening in our hearts and what is going on inside our heads.
He knows how many hairs we have on our head at all times and he knows when a sparrow (mossie) dies. He also provides for their needs on a daily basis. How much more so will he look after His child that loves Him.
Valerie
Nice simple words. You are correct.
I think we should look at these verses on the subject, in addition. We are not free from the law, but no longer need be condemned by the law.
1 Corinthians 9: 8-11, 21
8Do I say this merely from a human point of view? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”b Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.
21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.
Romans 2: 12-15
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
Grant
I had a short server problem and lost your comment where you wanted to move those comments of yours over to the eternal security article. Please can you do that. Just copy and paste em.
Fanks
[EDITED: Gert: I have pasted this comment of yours under the correct article - you had this originally under an article of Rick Warren which makes no sense because you are speaking about something completely different]
And this comes from +-500BC, thats why all the disobedient tribes of Israel was scattered among the nations and still scattered today around the globe in and between the heathen nations, who is the seed of Satan and the fallen angels, from whom the giants was born from the daughters of men who decided to have intimate relationship with these fallen angels and Lucifer.
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; (Please note that this angels is not part of the 1/3 that follow Lucifer)
Them that sinned with the daughters of men :Gen 6:2 That the sons of God (only 200 according to Enoch))saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (Which the daughters chose)
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.(After the flood the very first giant was Nimrod and research in history will reveal his pedigree and the curse of God Jahwe onto him and his seedlings, the builders of Babilon and the tower of Babel with their feasts during 23 – 25 December each year where they offer/sacrify babies unto Lucifer on the altar Nimrod build for Satan)
Clever of Satan to use churches through Calvinism and Protestantism in the obedience of the Papal Church, the Edomites(Jews) and the Free Masons to deceive the world.
Now for the the rock in the bush……Jesus Christ will not come for a church as his bride, but for His chosen people redeemed and born again by repenting from sin and shame, washed by the blood of the Lamb, died on the cursed tree and not a cross as been lied to us by the papal church. They who is planted in again in the:
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
This is then very clear out of scripture that the main aim of Satan is and was from the garden of Eden to destroy the pure bloodline of Adam that there would be no bride for the bridegroom, but Isa 1:9 says Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
Mic 5:7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.
Mic 5:8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
Zep 3:10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering. (South Africa)
Zep 3:11 In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.
Zep 3:12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD.
Zep 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
Zep 3:14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Eze 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
Eze Amo 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
Amo 9:10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
Amo 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
To clear the clouds, please read the own words of Jesus Christ and judge for yourself where He COMMANDED:
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
VERY VERY CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDABLE FOR EVERY ONE WHO READS…..
Gert
Ok… Let’s get down to the nitty gritty here.
Can you answer the following questions for me please – these are the same ones I asked you in an email and you replied. I would like you to answer them again, or just copy and paste your answers to me from the email into the comments section. I left out the 4th question as that one is not important. But these 3 are.
1- Do you believe in dominionist theology or another term is Replacment theology where the Church has replaced Israel?
2- Do you believe in the rapture?
3- Do you believe you are part of one of the 10 tribes of Israel?
Here are some new questions:
1- Do you have dreams and visions?
2- What is God’s plan for South Africa?
3- Are we in a new era?
Thank you!
Gert van Kraayenburg
I just have a feeling you are part of the Israel Vision cults.
Please read the following 5 articles on this blog too.
The Scripture verse you quote above is typical verses the Israel vision cults uses
**British Israelism and the ‘Lost Tribes’ Identity Chrisis
**Die Verbondsvolk Israel: Wie is Hulle?
**Siener van Rensburg en die Boerevolk
**Israelvisie volhard met hulle dwalings
**Boere-Afrikaners, Jode en Israel
Gert van Kraayenburg I Found this by chance a while back. Is this you Gert van Kraayenburg??
Your quote/posts on the Boervolk pages.
http://www.boerevryheid.co.za/forums/showthread.php?p=119975
and
Deborah (Discerning the World)
May 5th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Gert
Ok… Let’s get down to the nitty gritty here.
Can you answer the following questions for me please – these are the same ones I asked you in an email and you replied. I would like you to answer them again, or just copy and paste your answers to me from the email into the comments section. I left out the 4th question as that one is not important. But these 3 are.
Not at home to paste the original but answer as follows.
1- Do you believe in dominionist theology or another term is Replacment theology where the Church has replaced Israel?
No, I do not believe in dominionist theology and the church has never replaced Israel as Israel has been scattered around the globe under all nations and tongues till now when they will be gathered again out of all nations to meet Jesus Christ on the clouds as we know it as the rapture. Conditionally only they who are born again and hate sin.1Co 15:51 Kyk, ek deel julle ‘n verborgenheid mee: Ons sal wel nie almal ontslaap nie, maar ons sal almal verander word,
1Co 15:52 in ‘n oomblik, in ‘n oogwink, by die laaste basuin; want die basuin sal weerklink, en die dode sal onverganklik opgewek word; en ons sal verander word.
1Th 4:13 Maar, broeders, ek wil nie hê dat julle onkundig moet wees met betrekking tot die ontslapenes nie, sodat julle nie treur soos die ander wat geen hoop het nie.
1Th 4:14 Want as ons glo dat Jesus gesterwe en opgestaan het, dan sal God ook so die wat in Jesus ontslaap het, saam met Hom bring.
1Th 4:15 Want dit sê ons vir julle deur die woord van die Here, dat ons wat in die lewe oorbly tot by die wederkoms van die Here, die ontslapenes hoegenaamd nie sal vóór wees nie.
1Th 4:16 Want die Here self sal van die hemel neerdaal met ‘n geroep, met die stem van ‘n aartsengel en met geklank van die basuin van God; en die wat in Christus gesterf het, sal eerste opstaan.
1Th 4:17 Daarna sal ons wat in die lewe oorbly, saam met hulle in wolke weggevoer word die Here tegemoet in die lug; en so sal ons altyd by die Here wees.
Rev 10:7 maar in die dae van die stem van die sewende engel, wanneer hy met die basuin sal blaas, dan is die verborgenheid van God volbring, soos Hy die blye tyding verkondig het aan sy diensknegte, die profete.
2- Do you believe in the rapture?
Yes, as mentioned according to above scriptures.
3- Do you believe you are part of one of the 10 tribes of Israel?
For sure I am part of the 12 tribes and will give detailed scriptures in a latter stage.So many scriptures to prove who we are and part of Israel and where we came from.
Here are some new questions:
1- Do you have dreams and visions?
For sure and here we must be led by the Holy Spirit to acknowledge if the dreams are either from our Father or from the satan.
very interesting subject as so many want to bend dreams unto their own intepretations. What does God Father say?
2- What is God’s plan for South Africa?
How can I get my very first DVD to you so you may listen to the message yourself.To long to give details here.
If our Nation (Volk), the Boerevolk does not repent from their ugly sin and return to God father as one man, reject the NWO system, as from the 1st Sept. 2009 for a period of 3 years, they that refuse will be stripped from their belongings. If still in disobedience at the end of August 2012, they will be cut of and all who repent and live a holy life, will go through the fiery burning furnace with a promise of Father unto me that no single hair of these will even scorch. A terrible time awaiting us. In this time many, yes many, will die by the sword of the enemies who hate our beloved people with the hate of Satan himself, then the fear anger of our Almighty will raise into His nose and He will intervene (intervein) and destroy them as God will put their own sword against each other so they will destroy themselves.
3- Are we in a new era?
For sure we are in the very final stages of the end of human rule. This new era the same as that of Noah who prepeired for the flood where we had to prepare spiritually and emotianally for the final stages before the 2nd coming, where God Father will shake the earth as never before.
The NWO will be inaugerated on the 21 Dec. 2012 where we will enter the final stage of the rule of antichrist and Satan for 10 years, thus 2012 + 10 = 2022 when antichrist as the 11th horn will make a covenant with many for one week, 7 years and brake the covenant in the middle of the week.
Dan 9:27 En hy sal een week lank met baie ‘n sterk verbond sluit, en gedurende die helfte van die week sal hy slagoffer en spysoffer laat ophou; en op die vleuel van gruwels sal daar ‘n verwoester wees, en wel tot aan die einde; en wat vas besluit is, sal oor wat woes is, uitgestort word.
During the 3rd world war as from March/April 2021 to Sept/Oct. 2012 (6 mnth) Eze 38/39 will come into fulfilment where the Almighty will destroy 5/6 of all that nations, including the whole of Africa who will be involved in that war up the far north of Russia and all his satelite states including some Arabian states.
As from Sept/Oct. 2021 the antichrist in person will be the 11th horn of the beast and during March/April 2025 he will brake the covenant and enter into the new rebuilded temple and declare himself god, just after the removal by the rapture of the bride who will not be there anymore to resist sin. Only the 144,000 saints out of the 12 tribes and sealed on their foreheads, will enter the tribulation period of the last 3 1/2 years.
Then the world will enter the last 3 1/2 years of Gods wrath poored upon the earth as from Rev 11 – 22 when Jesus Christ 2nd coming will take place during Sept/Oct 2028 as the day and hour we will not know, but He will reveal it to the saints/prophets in that time to His people who are still alive and not beheaded like all the other tribulation saints.
Then the nations out of the east will gather themselves and came through the dry Eufrates river to make War against Jesus and His Angels at Armageddon where all will be destroyed by brimstone and fire.
Ok, I mentioned times and years not given by Father unto me, but worked it out according to so many visions, revelations given to me and personal conversations with me.
I will as soon as posible draw a timeframe regarding all given to me, to share with my people.
If anybody want me to bring the message personally and in detail, they may contact me at [cell number removed] and arange a meeting where I may bring the message, because God said to me to warm my people without hesitation to repent from sin and become born again for this is the last hour of grace and mercy before we will enter the time of His wrath upon this sinful world.
The time of the false churches, organisations, politics and governments as well as prosperity preachers is gone. The born again will now be implanted in the body of Jesus Christ to become one with Him and to prepare to stand before Him as His bride without spot or wrinkle :
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious (church)ekklēsia means the call out (congregation), not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. (Not a church – falsified by the Calvinists and the protestants by the papal church to mislead the world)
If we want to acknowledge the church, yes then we will agree that the church is the popes papasy and the whore riding on the back of the beast with seven heads and ten horns.
Many blessings and warm regards
Gert van Kraayenburg
[cell phone number removed]
PS: I am not part of any religious systems, churches or Israel visions or any denominations or organisations, but believe my Heavenly Father and Creator and His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, as well as His original Word the Bible as the truth and dearly LOVE HIM all in ONE.
Thank you!
[EDITED: Sorry Gert, I needed to remove your contact number. Can't have all sorts of weird people calling you. Also I just added line spacing between your paragraphs to make it easier to read]
Gert van Kraayenburg
A question are the 144,000 saints of mixed races?
Do you mean already gone over kapooof no more?
yikes is that true? Sep/Oct 2028
ssscaaareey stuff this.
Gert
Thanks for coming to comment. Understand that we want to understand what you are speaking about in it’s entirity.
Then the 3rd question I asked was:
We have a bit of a contradiction here. Replacement Theology is just that. If you are a lost Israelite you are the ‘body of Christ’.
You gonna have to get your doctrines sorted out there, because what you believe (even though you say it’s different) is actually the same doctrine.
Now I understand how you can believe in a rapture and it makes sense, BUT, the confusion comes in where you say that the ‘Israelites’ will be raptured. So who is going to remain behind in Israel during the tribulation?
Are non-white people part of the lost tribes of Israel?
Dear Prof. Johan Malan and all concerned who dearly wants to get hold of the truth and the truth alone and only.
I Gert van Kraayenburg are not here on this block to give a opinion and/or my own opinion, neither to convince anybody, but let the Word (Bible) in its original state be the centre of our search for the truth. So let our Almighty Creator Father speaks to us through and out of His Word only.
I do not want to argue with anybody, for thus is prohibited in His Word.
Although I am afrikaans speaking, I will try to give details in english as far as possible, but most will be in afrikaans.
I love Elmarie’s remarks and Deborah’s questions but will only reply on it after the attached document has been read by you, or let the Word of our Father speaks to us and not me. Thus we will let the scriptures talk to us.
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OPGESTEL DEUR GERT VAN KRAAYENBURG OP 10 APRIL 2010
DIE MONSTER WAT ONS RUG BUIG EN ONS STUKKEND SLAAN MET DIEP WONDE IN DIE SLAWERNY VAN EGIPTE.
Vandag is dit nie meer die kats of die sambok, of die stok waarmee ons geslaan en verniel word nie.
NEE….Die Egiptenare het ‘n baie en beter kats in hul hande se drywers gesit om ons mee te wond en sonder ophou te slaan en te verniel in hierdie wêreld van slawerny.
Soos wat u almal nou hier sit, is u liggaam moeg en belas en gruwelik verniel.
Die wonde en merke van herstelde wonde lê met dik riffels nie fisies op die vel van die liggaam nie….
MAAR die wonde lê diep ingesny in die liggaam van die gees en siel en verstand.
In ons emosionele en geestelike lewens wat in vrees en spanning verander het weens die geslaan en mishandeling in hierdie slawehuis van Egipte wat net doodeenvoudig geen einde en perke ken nie.
Die drywers in hierdie slawerny gee vir u en vir my, ja, vir geen mens op hierdie aarde om nie.
Hulle voel vir ons niks. Hulle harte is soos ys en hulle het geen siel in hul liggame nie.
Hul verstand is benewel van die sataniese besoedeling en waansin om die mag van Lucifer as god van hierdie aarde in vervulling te bring.
Hulle het ‘n nuwe kats en slaangoed ontwikkel om ons mee te slaan en te verniel sonder weerga en sonder ophou.
Wat gee die magte daarbo in hoog geplaasde posisie eintlik vir u en vir my om?
Hulle plaas die geweldige swaar las van die juk op ons skouers wat ons sonder weerga nou na die grond toe plat druk.
Die gewig van hierdie las kan nie meer gedra word nie en die ineenstorting van ons mense is nouliks in sig tensy ons Boerevolk ag slaan op die stem van ons Hemelse Vader in die nuwe era om onvoorwaardelik soos EEN MAN AS BOEREVOLK na Hom terugkeer.
Nou is ons in slawerny net op ‘n heel ander manier en wyse.
Hulle belas ons dat ons nie weet hoe en in watter rigting nie.
Ons rue is krom gebuig van die gewig van die las van die juk op ons skouers.
Toe dit vir hulle nie genoeg was nie, kom gryp hulle ons vrouens, verplig die vrou om haar huis te verlaat en ook as slaaf (slaffin) haar kinders in die sorg van vreemdes te los en verplig word om te werk.
Hulle kondisioneer die vrou asof sy nou die gelyke van die man of selfs hoër geag word en is as die man.
Ja, selfs kry die vrou nou ‘n beter posisie (werks pos) as die man met ‘n hoër salaris maar die las om te lewe word ook net swaarder.
NOU KOM DIE VRAAG ONWILLEKERIG?
Het dit u posisie van slwaerny enigsins verbeter in u huis as huisgesin?
NEE…..
U kinders het nie meer ouers nie! Hulle Goddelike en Heilige opvoeding is van hul weg geneem en so word hul van die fondasie van hul kennis wat hul moet hê, VERVREEM.
Die MAN as die PPK (Priester, Profeet en Koning) van die huis en die VROU as die bruid word van mekaar vervreem, terwyl die huisaltaar geheel en al tot niet is en nie meer in die huis van die gesin bestaan nie.
HOEKOM?
Die swaar en gewigtige LAS druk almal krom en almal sug in hul harte en siele. So neig almal hul dan na die wêreld en sy valse leraars vir ‘n oplossing en soek selfs hul geluk by waarsêry en die geluksgodin deur dobbelary.
Almal sug en soek en kyk vir wonders en tekens, maar daar sal geen wonders en tekens wees nie sê my Vader Skepper, maar leuens gemanifesteer deur die Satan wat sal verskyn op baie maniere en geleenthede as ‘n engel van die lig.
TYD.
Dit gaan nou nie meer om geluk, vrede en Goddelike liefde nie.
Dit gaan NOU OM TYD.
U en ek is LANKAL van ons kosbare tyd berowe en NOU gaan dit om geld….GELD en nogmaals GELD…
Almal jaag nou met rasseskrede net na geld (Mammon) , juis omdat u die geld dringend nodig het om ‘n lewens bestaan te kan maak. (Vasgevang in die ketiing van die magte – Pousdom, kerke, politieke bestel, Nuwe Wêreld Orde en die Vrymesselary en Illimunate.
Die juk op u en my skouers word nou nog erger belas en druk ons nog laer na die aarde.
Hoekom..Die lewenskostes bly net styg en alles word aan inflasie gekoppel. Waar kom die MONSTER NAAM VAN INFLASIE DAN VANDAAN?
Die ekonomie word warm en die hitte van die ekonomie styg.
Nou is die land…….. (ekonomies) en nie u en ek in ‘n situasie gedompel want die monster (INFLASIE) begin nou hand uit te ruk en daar moet inderhaas ‘n plan gemaak word. (Wat ‘n LEUEN, inflasie leuen met bedrog)
Intussen sit u pragtige wel geskape kinders by die huis of by ‘n vreemdeling en hunker en smag na ‘n moeder en pappa waarvan hul weet en so min sien. Hulle huil en stort trane met ‘n diepe siels, gees en harts verlange, want hulle is goddelike wesens met ‘n emosie, ‘n hart en ‘n siel in wese geskape, ‘n weinig minder as die engele en ook na die beeld van God ons Skepper en hemelse Vader….
Die hunker in hul wese word verpletter sonder dat u en ek as ouer dit werklik besef en weet.
Die vader wat as hoof van die huis moet dien as PPK,
PRIESTER, PROFEET EN KONING) kan of wil nie meer sy plek volstaan in sy huis nie.
WAAROM NIE?
Hy is neergedruk en verneder deur hierdie tyd van omstandighede wat hyself saam met sy vrou in hul lewens toegelaat en geskep het weens ongehoorsaamheid aan Jahweh (God) , ons Skepper en Verlosser Jahshua (Jesus Christus) en in die sonde stroom van die wêreld ingeslurp is, waarin ons steeds meegesleur word as gevolg van kondisionering, kontrolering en manupilasie.
Die vrou wat as hulp en maat vir hom moes dien , het ook nou in die slawerny die las van die swaar juk op haar skouer en rug geplaas weens die MONSTER (inflasie) wat ons as mense in ons hele lewenswyse beinvloed.
Die bruid as vrou van die man is nie meer sy hulp nie, maar sy gelyke of selfs in baie gevalle nou die man se meerdere en begin nou om die lewe van die man te beheer, te kontroleer en in meerderheids gevalle die man as ondergeskik aan haar as die vrou te stel. Die vrou het in die gesin beheer as hoof van die huis oorgeneem en so het die vrou en die kinders die drywers van die gesin geword.
(Profetiese skrif)
Hierdie toestand waarin u en ek ons nou bevind het ons vir onsself geskep en toegelaat SODAT hierdie Monster (Inflasie) nou die instrument in ons lewens geword het en gebruik word om die las op ons skouers baie swaarder en net swaarder te maak.
Ons hemelse Vader Skepper het reeds in Desember 1988 die hele bestuursstel in die hande van ons Verlosser en Redder, Jahshua (Jesus Christus) oorgegee soos aan my geopenbaar en gesê in 1987 en toe bevestig in Desember 1988.
‘n Era in die geskiedenis van die Boerevolk het op ‘n Goddelike en merkwaardige wyse op 3 April 2010 geweldadig tot ‘n einde gekom .
So sal dan ‘n nuwe era deur ons Vader in Jesus Christus self begin word in opdrag aan sy dienskengte soos HY wil gebruik op Vrydag 30 April 2010.
Dit sal ook dan ‘n merkwaardige en baie ernstige, dog dringende era inlei soos wat net ons Skepper kan doen.
GAAN U AS ‘N LID IN DIE LIGGAAM VAN DIE BOEREVOLK IN GEHOORSAAMHEID DAN NOU AG GEE, LUISTER NA DIE STEM VAN U VERLOSSER EN SALIGMAKER OM DAN NOU IN DIE FINALE FASE VOOR SY WEDERKOMS AS LEDE IN DIE LIGGAAM VAN JESUS CHRISTUS INGEPLANT TE WORD.
Almal wat in ongehoorsaamheid nog steeds weier en wederstrewig is, sal van al hul materialisme gestroop word, as hul dan nog steeds nie wil terugkeer nie, sal hul vir ewig en altoos afgesny word en daar sal ‘n geween en ‘n gekners van die tande wees sonder weerga en sonder terugkeer, vir ewig AFGRYSLIK en vir altyd sonder ophou.
Wat is u keuse?
1. Belofte aan my gegee in Maart 1983 nou in vervulling getree. Soos jy daardie voëltjie sien voed het, so sal jy voed.
2. Eerste skrif deur ‘n jong seun aan my gegee in opdrag van God aan hom vir my in April 1984. Sef 3:8 – 10 wat ek geensins begryp of verstaan het tot nou onlangs nie.
3. 1986, November – Eerste openbaring en gesprek met God vir 4 ure en 40 minute ten opsigte van die volgende.
a. Openbaring oor PW Botha en die Nasionale Party met betrekking tot S.A. vir die eindtyd vervulling net voor Jesus se wederkoms.
b. Openbaring hoe Vader sy Boerevolk en geliefde oogappel sal oorgee aan ‘n harde nasie wat hul sal berowe en doodmaak dae lank (Nou weet ek die tydperk is net 18 jaar, soos ander openbaringe bykom weens tye en geleenthede wat alles binnekort sal plaasvind en gaan gebeur)
c. Vertroue en KEN Jesus in die openbaring.
4. 1987, Februarie Gesig (visioen) met teken in hemel van 1987 in swart boog en 1988 in bloed boog wat in 2006 deur God aan my verklaar en geopenbaar is.
5. 1988, Desember openbaring en gesprek van God met my oor Jesaja 18. Onverstaanbaar vir my maar Gedurende 2003 aan my verklaar in persoonlike gesprek van God met my.
6. 1989, Mei nag van 14/15 opdrag in droomgesig om die boodskap te gee van 6 uur tot 8 uur met ‘n ½ uur voorbereiding. Nou in 2010 aan my geopenbaar van wanneer en hoelank dit sal plaasvind.
7. 1993 Desember 6, geweldige ramp wat ons tref, die wonderwerk wat in die ramp plaas gevind het sonder dat ek sou weet wat die werklike plan en implikasies dit vir my sou inhou, asook die finale plan van God vir en deur my in opdrag vir die Boerevolk, sy geliefde volk. Die volk van God gesien vir sy plan met die Boerevolk in en deur die ramp soos dan aan my geopenbaar op die nag van 11 Oktober 2009. (11/10/2009)
8. 1994 Paas Maandag – Gesig van groot gemeente en toe Vader vir my en toe Vader vir my sê dat almal verlore is omdat hul hul nie onderwerp aan sy gesag nie. 2003 eers aan my verklaar en vertel waarna ek moet let en hoe die gesagsorde in die gesin vernietig is en nie meer bestaan nie. (Baie trane tot op hede vir my Boerevolk gestort oor die gesig)
9. 1998, September – 31 Maart 2009 Hoe ek emosioneel, geestelik en letterlik plat geslaan was met ‘n terugslag, toe al dieper, emosioneel en geestelik die woestyn in. In wanhoop verval en met tyd alle hoop op redding verloor het, maar tog met ‘n oneindige en innige liefde vir God, Jesus Christus, die Heilige Gees en die Bybel volkome herstel en Vader aan my gesê hoekom en waarom ek dit moes deurmaak. (Job) Sy liefde onbeperk vir sy verstrooide volk vir die afgelope 2500 jaar.
10. 2003 – Verborgenheid aan my meegedeel oor die val van Lucifer en sy uitwerping saam met die derde engele wat hom gevolg het en dat Vader nie die sondeval van Adam beplan het nie.
11. 2006 – Vader gee opdrag om na alles wat Hy soos ‘n legkaart vir 20 jaar aan my gegee het vanaf 1986 tot 2006, te ondersoek en deeglik na alles te kyk en te bepeins. Tye en geleenthede mbt. die toekoms en die eindtyd asook Jesus Christus se wederkoms. Wat ons volk tebeurt sal val en hoe Hy sy finale plan met hierdie geliefde Boerevolk in vervulling sal bring. Ontnutering en vaslê van datums deur my en nie deur Vader aan my gegee nie.
12. 2006 Augustus – 31 Maart 2009 ‘n liefde ongekend soos nog nooit in my lewe nie waarin ek met woede verwerp was as gevolg van ontblote leuens. Vader het op 15 Januarie 2010 aan my vertel hoekom ek dit moes deurmaak en wat dit beteken asook in openbaring vir sy geliefde oogappel Boerevolk met wie die situasie vergelyk moet word. (Het ook ‘n belangrike betrekking soos in paragrawe 6, 16 en 19 en hou verband met inskakeling in ander tye en geleenthede en bevestig sekere jaar getalle mbt. tot die eindtyd, die 3de wêreld oorlog, die begin van die 7 jaarweek van Daniel, die antichris in persoon, die meteoriet van Open 8, die wegrukking van die bruid, die openbaring van antichris, die laaste 3 en ½ jaar van verskriklike verdrukking en dan die finale wederkoms van Jesus Christus as Koning van alle Konings met die inlui van die 1000 jarige vrederyk…..Wie sal saam met Jesus as Priesters en Konings regeer vir die 1000 jaar).
13. 2007 April – Droomgesig van verskrikking. Vuurspuwende berg met pikgiet swart klippe wat oor ‘n baie lang afstand reën sonder rook of roet en stof.Die twee groepe mense in wit geklee en die volle gebeurtenis asook uitleg daarvan vir ons volk en gemeente.
Die pragtige jonk vrou wat skitter van blydskap en vreugde. (Alles met gepaard gaande 3’s)
2007 Oktober – Tweede droom soortgelyk aan die vorige maar waarin die Kragstasie ontplof met ‘n rollende vuur so vinnig dat geen mens voor dit kan vlug nie. Alles agter die vuur is verteer en net die pikswart as agter gebly.
14. 2008, Augustus – Vader praat met my en deel my mee hoe Hy my ook net soos vir Job oorgegee het in die hand van Satan maar hom opdrag gegee het om met my te doen net wat hy wil, maar my lewe moes hy nie neem nie.
15. 2009, Maart 31 by die poorthekke van die hel omgedraai en die geweldige spanning en angs beleef tot op 4 Augustus 2009 toe ek weer deur ons Hemelse Vader in Jesus Christus deur die kragvolle werking van die Heilige Gees volkome herstel was soos voor September 1998.
16. 2009 April tot op datum vele openbaringe en beloftes met trane en weemoed, alles oor ons Boerevolk in verstrooing en geweldige verdrukking met vernedering, berowing en moord van so baie geliefdes, asof sonder hulp in die geweeklag en smart.
Hosea die profeet by 3/drie geleenthede aan my voorgehou en aan my geprofeteer asook ‘n dringende waarskuwing aan die vrou en beminde bruid deur God aan myself gegee.
17. 2009 September 1 – Duidelike opdrag aan my deur God ons Vader en Hy gee my direk die skrif nl. Jos 1:11.
a. 2009 Oktober 11 sê Vader in ‘n diens aan my dat ek die drie dae as profetiese dae moet sien. Dus 3 jaar.
b. 2009 Oktober 18 sê Vader weer in ‘n diens vir my ek moet die 12 mandjies met oorskiet kos wat voor sy voete neergesit is, byvoeg by die skrif van Jos 1:11. (Ek kon niks van die 12 mandjies verstaan mbt. 3 profetiese dae nie en ek het my eie uitleg daarvan in plek. Dit skakel pragtig in met ander openbaringe, tye en geleenthede wat my net met verstomming laat oor die GROOTHEID, GENADE EN LIEFDE VAN GOD VIR ONS, SY UITVERKORE VOLK.
18. 2009 September 30 – Rommel verstrooiing en Vader se gesprek met my daaroor. Hoekom sulke mense nie in sy koninkryk toegelaat sal word nie, asook die opdrag aan my vir drinkers en rokers wat ook nie in sy koninkryk toegelaat sal word nie. Nogal ‘n groot skok vir my omdat ek altyd gesê het hoeveel rokers ons in sy koninkryk sal sien.
Sy eie woorde aan my : Ek sal niks vuils en onrein in my koninkryk toelaat nie en sulke mense sal nooit toegelaat word om op die strate van suiwer goud te loop nie. As die regverdige nouliks gered word, waar sal die goddelose beland.
19. 2009 November 29 – Wonderlikste openbaring in ‘n droom waarin ek met die grootste inspanning en geweldige moeite moet mielies plant……en die resultaat wat daaruit ontstaan…
20. 2010 Januarie 15 – Vader se openbaring aan my oor die innige en onvoorwaardelike koestering van liefde oor ‘n tydperk van 2 en ½ jaar soos deur myself ondervind, ( 2 en ½ despensasies) aan sy beminde vrou wat Hom as bruid verwerp het weens leuens en haar gewend het na die Satan en hoe sy haarself aan hom diensbaar gestel het. So dan die werke van haar vader Satan beoefen. Hierdie vrou moet nou met vinnige speod daaruit uitkom, die wat weier sal met geweld losgeskeur word, die wat dan nog steeds weier sal vir ewig afgesny word omdat daar nie meer tyd is nie en die ongehoorsames sal die ewige verderf in gaan as gevolg van hul ongehoorsamheid.
21. 2010 Februarie 24 – Job 20 : 12-29 Geen genot vir die wat met die geroofde goed sit nie……
22. 2010 Maart 5 – Hag 2: 1 – 23 Hoe God die aarde gaan skud en sy volk gaan verlos.
23. 2010 Maart 8 – Jes 30: 20 – 28 Nuwe leraars sal deur die volk gesien word. Hulle ore sal die woord agter jou hoor wat sê: Dit is die weg, wandel daarop! wanneer julle regs of wanneer julle links wil gaan.
24. 2010 Maart 31 – Ps 20:2 – 10 Verlossing deur wonderbaarlike ingryping.
25. 2010 Maart – Alle deure gaan net doodeenvoudig oop en val pragtig in plek.
26. 2010 Maart 3 – Afsluit van ‘n era in die geskiedenis van die Boerevolk wat profeties aansluit by 30 April 2010 met die begin van ‘n nuwe en finale era vir die Boerevolk in voorbereiding as die bruid vir die komende Bruidegom en KONING, Jahshua , Jesus Christus ons Verlosser en Saligmaker.
Jare van ernstige belang net vir die Boerevolk en die hele HUIS van Israel in verstrooiing reg oor die aarde, as volg deur myself bepaal op grond van alle visioene, openbaringe en gebeure soos aan my getoon en/of gegee :
30 April 2010 – DIE BEKENDMAKING VAN DIE BEGIN VAN DIE EERSTE FASE VAN GOD SE PLAN VIR DIE BOEREVOLK.
September 2010 – Die terug trek van die Groot Trek. Die afgooi van die las van die SWAAR JUK op die skouers (nek) van die Boerevolk. Die Volksaltaar en Vader Altaar (geestelik) moet opgerig word.
September 2010 tot Augustus 2012 die afgooi van die las van die SWAAR Juk op die skouers (nek) van die huisgesin. Die huisaltare moet weer opgerig en in stand gehou.
September 2010 tot Augustus 2012 die volk uit die sisteem volkome terug in die liggaam van Jesus Christus.
September 2012 in die Smeltkroes van loutering met ‘n BELOFTE net vir die wat in die volgende twee jaar soos een man na God terugkeer. Sept . 2010 tot einde Aug. 2012
2012 Desember 21 – Inhuldigings seremonie van die NWO.
2012 – 2021/2022 10 jaar regeringskap van 10 konings en dan neem 11de horinkie (antichris) oor vir laaste 7 jaar.
Dan 7:24 En die tien horings—uit daardie koninkryk sal tien konings opstaan, en ‘n ander een sal ná hulle opstaan
Maart / April 2013 – Februarie/Maart/April 2025 (12 jaar van soewereine VOLKSRAAD met Rigters wat die Volk lei volgens die ORDE VAN Melgisédek en van Vader ons Skepper) Vervolging van kinders in gehoorsaamheid wat Jesus Christus bely. Baie sal dan ook vermoor word in die sogenaamde rehabilitasie sentrums (kampe van die dood)
Maart /April 2021 – September Oktober 2021 —Vervulling van Eseg. 38 & 39 . 3de Wêreld oorlog.
September / Oktober 2024 – Maart/April 2025 Ster tref aarde net voor die wegraping Open 8:11
September / Oktober 2024 – Maart/April 2025 Wegraping Open 10, 1Kor 15:51-54, 1Thes 4:15-17; En direk na die wegraping – Openbaring van Antichris en laaste 3½ jaar in gruwelike verdrukking – Vader stort sy grimmigheid uit op die aarde – Open 11 – 22 vir die laaste 3 ½ jaar net na die blaas van die 7de basuin. Verbreking van die verbond van antichris met baie gesluit vir een week lank.
September / Oktober 2028 Fisiese wederkoms van ons Koning van alle Konings Jahshua. Die optrek van nasies uit die ooste oor die droë Eeufrat rivier na Megiddo vir die slag van Armaggedon.
NB: Hierdie datums is nie deur ons hemelse Vader aan my gegee nie, maar op grond val al die visioene, openbaringe en persoonlike gesprek van Vader met my oor ‘n periode van 20 jaar, het ek tot die uitleg van die datums gekom.
WIE ‘N OOR HET LAAT HOM HOOR EN WIE ‘N OOG HET LAAT HOM SIEN…….
WANT DIE TYD HET AANGEBREEK DAT VADER DIE SLUIER VAN SY UITVERKORE VOLK SE OË GAAN AFHAAL EN HULLE SAL REGOOR DIE WÊRELD WEET WIE HULLE IS
NB: Ons is deur al die eeue onder die leuen van ‘n kerk, die pouslike kerk mislei en bedrieg. Predikers het die leuen aan ons opgedis en ons was te lui om self die skrifte te ondersoek om tot kennis van die waarheid te kom.
Politieke sisteme is gebruik om ons nog verder te verdeel en te mislei deur bedrog.
Please tell me with whom and for whom was this scriptures given?
I only read of His Volk and Israel……READ yourself and then consider it.
Die VROU (Israel) as die BRUID van ons Koning Jesus Christus sit NOU nog steeds op die rug van die HOER.
Amo 3:7 Want die Here HERE doen niks tensy Hy sy raadsbesluit aan sy knegte, die profete, geopenbaar het nie.
Jos 1:8 Hierdie wetboek mag nie uit jou mond wyk nie; maar bepeins dit dag en nag, sodat jy nougeset kan handel volgens alles wat daarin geskrywe staan; want dan sal jy in jou weë voorspoedig wees, en dan sal jy met goeie gevolg handel.
ph 5:6 Laat niemand julle met ydel woorde verlei nie, want daardeur kom die toorn van God oor die kinders van die ongehoorsaamheid.
Spr 16:4 Alles het die HERE gemaak vir sy doel, ja, ook die goddelose vir die dag van onheil.
1Joh 3:8 Hy wat die sonde doen, is uit die duiwel, want die duiwel sondig van die begin af. Vir hierdie doel het die Seun van God verskyn, om die werke van die duiwel te verbreek.
Pro 8:36 Maar hy wat my mis, benadeel sy eie lewe; almal wat my haat, het die dood lief.
Pro 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
Hos 11:1 Toe Israel ‘n kind was, het Ek hom liefgehad, en uit Egipte het Ek my seun geroep.
Hos 11:2 Hoe meer die profete hulle geroep het, des te meer het hulle van húlle af weggeloop; hulle het aan die Baäls geoffer en vir die gesnede beelde rook laat opgaan.
Hos 11:3 En Ek self het Efraim leer loop. Hy het hulle op sy arms geneem, maar hulle het nie erken dat Ek hulle genees het nie.
Hos 11:4 Met mensebande, met koorde van liefde het Ek hulle getrek; en Ek was vir hulle soos diegene wat die juk van hulle kakebeen af oplig; en Ek het My na hom neergebuig, Ek het hom voedsel gegee.
Hos 11:5 Hy sal na Egipteland nie terugkeer nie, maar Assur—dié sal sy koning wees; omdat hulle geweier het om hulle te bekeer.
Hos 11:6 En die swaard sal geswaai word in sy stede en sy grendels vernietig en verteer weens hulle planne.
Hos 11:7 Want my volk dwing om van My afvallig te word; en as die profete hom roep na bo, rig hy hom glad nie op nie.
Hos 11:8 Hoe kan Ek jou oorgee, o Efraim, jou prysgee, o Israel? Hoe kan Ek jou maak soos Adma, jou gelykstel met Seboïm: my hart is omgekeer in My, tegelykertyd is my medelyde opgewek.
Hos 11:9 Ek sal my toorngloed nie laat geld nie, Ek sal Efraim nie weer te gronde rig nie; want Ek is God en nie ‘n mens nie, die Heilige in jou midde. En Ek sal nie kom in grimmigheid nie.
Hos 11:10 Hulle sal agter die HERE aan trek; Hy sal brul soos ‘n leeu. Want Hy sal brul, en die kinders sal met siddering van die seekant aankom.
Hos 11:11 Hulle sal sidderende aankom soos ‘n voëltjie uit Egipte en soos ‘n duif uit die land Assur; en Ek sal hulle laat woon in hulle huise, spreek die HERE.
Hos 11:12 (12:1) Efraim het My omsingel met leuens, en die huis van Israel met bedrog; terwyl Juda nog altyd bandeloos is teenoor God, ja, teenoor die Allerheiligste, die Getroue.
Eze 14:13 Mensekind, as ‘n land teen My sondig deur troubreuk te begaan, en Ek my hand daarteen uitstrek en die staf van die brood daarvan verbreek en ‘n hongersnood daarin stuur, en Ek daaruit mens en dier uitroei—
Eze 14:14 al was hierdie drie manne, Noag, Daniël en Job, daarin, dan sou hulle deur hul geregtigheid net hulle eie siel red, spreek die Here HERE.
2Th 1:8 in vuur en vlam, wanneer Hy wraak uitoefen op die wat God nie ken nie en op die wat aan die evangelie van onse Here Jesus nie gehoorsaam is nie.
2Th 1:9 Hulle sal as straf ondergaan ‘n ewige verderf, weg van die aangesig van die Here en van die heerlikheid van sy sterkte,
Isa 1:2 Hoor, o hemele, en luister, o aarde, want die HERE spreek: Ek het kinders grootgemaak en verhoog, maar húlle het teen My oortree.
Isa 1:3 ‘n Os ken sy besitter en ‘n esel die krip van sy eienaar, maar Israel het geen kennis nie, my volk verstaan nie.
Isa 1:4 Wee die sondige nasie, die volk swaar van skuld, die geslag van kwaaddoeners, die kinders wat verderflik handel! Hulle het die HERE verlaat, die Heilige van Israel verag, hulle het agtertoe weggedraai.
Isa 1:5 Waar wil julle nog geslaan word, dat julle voortgaan met af te wyk? Die hele hoof is siek, en die hele hart is krank.
Isa 1:6 Van die voetsool af tot die hoof toe is daar geen heel plek aan nie, maar wonde en kwesplekke en vars houe! Hulle is nie uitgedruk of verbind of met olie versag nie.
Isa 1:7 Julle land is ‘n wildernis, julle stede is met vuur verbrand, vreemdes verteer julle landerye in jul teenwoordigheid, en dit is ‘n wildernis soos by ‘n omkering deur vreemdes.
Isa 1:8 En die dogter van Sion het oorgebly soos ‘n skermpie in ‘n wingerd, soos ‘n slaapplekkie in ‘n komkommertuin, soos ‘n beleërde stad.
Isa 1:9 As die HERE van die leërskare vir ons nie ‘n klein oorblyfsel oorgelaat het nie—soos Sodom sou ons geword het, ons sou net soos Gomorra gewees het.
Isa 1:10 Hoor die woord van die HERE, owerstes van Sodom! Luister na die wet van onse God, volk van Gomorra!
Isa 1:11 Wat het Ek aan die menigte van julle slagoffers? sê die HERE. Ek is sat van die brandoffers van ramme en die vet van vetgemaakte kalwers; en Ek het geen behae in die bloed van stiere of lammers of bokke nie.
Isa 1:12 As julle kom om voor my aangesig te verskyn, wie het dit van julle hand geëis—om my voorhowe te vertrap?
Isa 1:13 Bring nie meer skynheilige offergawes nie; gruwelike reukwerk is dit vir My. Nuwemane en sabbatte, die uitroep van samekomste—Ek verdra geen ongeregtigheid en feestyd nie!
Isa 1:14 Julle nuwemane en julle feestye haat my siel; hulle is My ‘n oorlas. Ek is moeg om dit te dra.
Isa 1:15 En as julle jul hande uitbrei, bedek Ek my oë vir julle; ook as julle die gebed vermenigvuldig, luister Ek nie: julle hande is vol bloed.
Isa 1:16 Was julle, reinig julle, neem die boosheid van julle handelinge voor my oë weg, hou op om kwaad te doen,
Isa 1:17 leer om goed te doen, soek die reg, beteuel die verdrukker, doen reg aan die wees, verdedig die saak van die weduwee.
Isa 1:18 Kom nou en laat ons die saak uitmaak, sê die HERE: al was julle sondes soos skarlaken, dit sal wit word soos sneeu; al was dit rooi soos purper, dit sal word soos wol.
Isa 1:19 As julle gewillig is en luister, sal julle die goeie van die land eet.
Isa 1:20 Maar as julle weier en wederstrewig is, sal julle deur die swaard geëet word; want die mond van die HERE het dit gespreek.
1Sa 12:22 Want die HERE sal sy volk ter wille van sy grote Naam nie verwerp nie, omdat dit die HERE behaag het om van julle vir Hom ‘n volk te maak.
Isa 56:4 Want so sê die HERE aan die ontmandes wat my sabbatte hou en verkies wat My behaag en vashou aan my verbond:
Isa 56:5 Ek sal aan hulle in my huis en binnekant my mure ‘n gedenkteken en ‘n naam gee wat beter is as seuns en dogters; ‘n ewige naam gee Ek aan hulle, wat nie uitgeroei sal word nie.
Mat 10:5 Jesus het hierdie twaalf uitgestuur en hulle bevel gegee en gesê: Moenie gaan op pad na die heidene nie, en moenie ingaan in ‘n stad van die Samaritane nie;
Mat 10:6 maar gaan liewer na die verlore skape van die huis van Israel.
Mat 15:24 Maar Hy antwoord en sê: Ek is net gestuur na die verlore skape van die huis van Israel.
WAT ‘N BELOFTE!
Gert
So you are saying that only white people will be saved? And all other races and colours on this earth can not receive the gift of Salvation from Jesus Christ who died on the cross and shed his blood for ALL mankind whom repent of this sin and believe in Him?
Allllllllll Rightyyyyyy thennnnnnnn
I think I am at a loss for words… for now that is. Let me snack on a carrot or 2 as I digest all this.
Gert
Deuteronomy 18:14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.
Zechariah 10:2 For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd.
Deuteronomy 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Jeremiah 27:9 Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon
2 Chronicles 33:5-6 And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD. And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
Acts 16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
Acts 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
Acts 8:11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries
Ezekiel 13:6-7 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
Gert
Do you believe in the Serpent Seed teaching?
Elmarie :
Elmarie you said: Only the 144,000 saints out of the 12 tribes and sealed on their foreheads, will enter the tribulation period of the last 3 1/2 years.
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A question are the 144,000 saints of mixed races?
Mixed races only in the twelve tribes ie. English, France, Greece, German, Dutch, polish, Italian and all the nations scattered in Europe and across the globe with the pure bloodline from Adam and not mixed by the fallen angels and Lucifer with the woman whom they married.
Thus: Deu 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
Sag 9:6 And a bastard shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines.
‘âdâm aw-dawm’ From H119; ruddy, that is, a human being –
‘âdam aw-dam’ To show blood (in the face), that is, flush or turn rosy: – be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).
(Ah ha ah – Only whites can show flush or turn rosy , red, ruddy. — who can deny it?)
Thus their is a difference between light and darkness, between white and black caused by Satan as the rebellion.
Look at the culture differences and the believes as well as the worship of either the Creator or Idolizing to Baals and spirits of darkness.
Although there are many whites in the satanic blood line ie. all the white antichrists even the papal and the free masons etc.
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>>The time of the false churches, organisations, politics and governments as well as prosperity preachers is gone
Elmarie asked: Do you mean already gone over kapooof no more?
Gert said: Not already gone but will be destroyed by and with His 2nd coming but 3 1/2 yrs before His coming the following :
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>>Then the world will enter the last 3 1/2 years of Gods wrath poored upon the earth as from Rev 11 – 22 when Jesus Christ 2nd coming will take place during Sept/Oct 2028
Elmarie asked: yikes is that true? Sep/Oct 2028
Gert said: It is dates given by me and not God with regard to visions, revelations and personel conversations between Father and me. It may be recalculated regarding some events that had to take place. If the NWO unaugiration take place on December 21, 2012, then my dates will fall perfectly in correct position.
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Elmarie asked: ssscaaareey stuff this.
Gert said: Scarey, terrify, horrible whatever you want to name it.It will be for those who are not born again and living a holy life as well as the destoying of the satanic seedline from out the garden of Eden by the fallen angels.
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Now out of the BOOK of ENOCH: Removed by the clergy of the papal out of the original Bible, where the seedline of Satan came from as God said unto Satan and Eve namely :
Is die familie Gert?
http://www.boerevryheid.co.za/forum/showthread.php?p=59455
Kan nie familie van jou wees nie Gert…
Daai ouens is ‘n klomp aggresiewe rassistiese vuilmonde wat deelneem aan “kommin” toetse…
Gert
Thanks for all the info – you have supplied us with all the information we needed to prove that the Israelite Cult is out of the pit of hell.
I pray you come to realise that the doctrine you follow and the god that is speaking to you is no one but Satan. A born again Christian does NOT HATE. And everyone, no matter what race, colour, language who comes to believe in Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross for every person in the whole world will BE SAVED (on condition they repent and follow Jesus Christ and obey the the Word of God) and not follow the false Christ.
This blog is for born again Christians, not right wing Nazi occultists who follow the anti-Christ.
Book of Enoch is a Satanic book that was never part of the Word of God EVER. This is where the hatred of Jewish people comes from- the hideous teaching of the Serpent Seed doctrine.
Robbie
Eisshhhhh
I tell you… shocking!
’tis shockingly sad Debs.
Book of enoch (by David Steward)
Is the Book of Enoch really a lost book of the Bible? A born-again Christian who has been reading the Bible for several years only needs to read the “Book of Enoch” briefly to know that something is very wrong. There are so many obvious flaws with this alleged missing book of God’s Word. It is clear to me that someone copied from the Bible and wrote this garbage. The same type of mumbo-jumbo can be readily observed in the Qur’an. I do NOT believe that Enoch, who lived during the time period of Genesis, wrote this manuscript. Evidently the King James translators didn’t either, and for good reason. The Devil is working relentlessly to corrupt God’s Word, as he has been doing since the Garden of Eden, when he caused Eve to doubt God’s Word. Satan is so shrewd that he even tried to confuse our Lord by misinterpreting the Scriptures in Matthew 4:1-10. In these apostate times, the Word of God is under attack like never before. The reason why is simple… if Satan can pervert the Word of God into a lie, then he can control the masses!
And this explains why the interpretation of the Nephilim about demons and earthly women is a false interpretation. See here:
http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/18/who-were-the-nephilim-two-sides-to-every-story/
Gert van kraayenburg
My question to you – are the 144,000 saints of mixed races?
Your answer was
What is your answer to this below Gert?
Deuteronomy 23:2 (Amplified Bible)
2A person begotten out of wedlock shall not enter into the assembly of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall his descendants not enter into the congregation of the Lord.
Deuteronomy 23:2 (King James Version)
2A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
Bible Commenter
http://biblecommenter.com/deuteronomy/23-2.htm
Gert van kraayenburg
Zechariah 9:6 (King James Version)
6And a bastard shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines.
Zechariah 9:6 (Amplified Bible)
6And a mongrel people shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will put an end to the pride of the Philistines.
Bible Commenter
http://biblecommenter.com/zechariah/9-6.htm
Pure Hatred that’s what it is.
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
The whole church has replaced Israel THING has gone too far.
The one thing i have noticed is this;-
In all the movies of Jesus from the Jesus movie right up to the last one it was the PASSION, Jesus is not portrayed as a Jewish man. He either has blonde hair or blue eyes. All the pictures you see of Jesus, He is portrayed as effeminate and has European features. The J-Life team has a picture of the supposed Jesus that looks like a hindu man with long hair and has a middel paaitjie hair style. Even Peter does not look like a Jew. The only characters in these movies and pictures that look like Jews are the Pharisees, Saduccees and High Priests and the crowd baying for Jesus to be crucified.
I have found that to be serious propaganda (check out all the movies and pictures) Jesus was a Jew and dressed and looked like a Jew. remember John 4 – The Samaritan woman identified Jesus as Jew after he started to speak to her…..
Joh 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
Furthermore, the Jews never had lost tribes. Read the accounts in the gospel. Jospeh was of the line of….., Mary was of the tribe of….., John’s parents were of the tribe of….., The old priets and prophetess was of the tribe of……
Furthermore, all Jewish people throughout the ages have always maintained their Jewish culture and character. Even in the face of death, they never denied their faith.
I do not recall one Afrikaner going up to Hitler and saying I am a Jew, kill me too. I do not see one Afrikaner going up to the Arabs in Palestine and telling them to leave because Abraham was promised the land by God. HYPOCRITES I TELL YOU, HYPOCRITES. They only want the title but not the trouble.
All Jewish people have a distinct national character, they love JERUSALEM. The world has never allowed the JEWS to forget who they were and who they are and they will never allow them to forget who they are. Is God not great.
Think about this – Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
If God said everlasting then He means everlasting. If everlasting does not mean everlasting then we will not have everlasting life in heaven.
If God said seed of Abraham then he meant seed of Abraham. The question is who is in the land of Israel now? The Jews. Who is returning to the land of Israel now? The Jews.
Who rules the nations and sets up kingdoms and determines their times and boundaries? God. So then God has made Israel to dwell in the land.
Think on this. Could all the Arab neighbours destroy Israel in 6 wars. Tiny old Israel, when the first war broke out against Israel, they were all “alone” with a small ineffective army. They “miraculously” kicked the arab armies in the teeth. In the six day war they kicked the arab armies in the teeth.
Psa 147:10 He delighteth not in the strength of the horse: he taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man. Israel is does not have numbers because God will fight for them.
DTW, may your voice grow louder. Speak up against these hypocrites. Expose the liars, expose the grievous wolves who will not spare the flock.
Gert van kraayenburg
Ek het ook nie eintlik verder woorde vir jou nie, soos Deborah ook vroer gese het. Ek bid net dat jy die vals leering van jou sal los en die regte pad na Jesus toe vind voor dit te laat is Gert.
No ! Gert it’s not like you said. God is not a racist, and you are making Him that by your wrong believes. I will not accept or stand for that. The key word is Love Gert not hatred. We have the two most important commandments from God.
Mark 12:29-31 (Amplified Bible)
29Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord; 30 And you shall love the Lord your God [a]out of and with your whole heart and out of and with all your soul (your [b]life) and out of and with all your mind (with [c]your faculty of thought and your moral understanding) and out of and with all your strength. [d]This is the first and principal commandment.(A)31The second is like it and is this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.(B)
Part of : Matthew Henry’s Whole Bible Commentary
1. That the great commandment of all, which is indeed inclusive of all, is, that of loving God with all our hearts. (1.) Where there is a commanding principle in the soul, there is a disposition to every other duty. Love is the leading affection of the soul; the love of God is the leading grace in the renewed soul. (2.) Where this is not, nothing else that is good is done, or done aright, or accepted, or done long. Loving God with all our heart, will effectually take us off from, and arm us against, all those things that are rivals with him for the throne in our souls, and will engage us to every thing by which he may be honoured, and with which he will be pleased; and no commandment will be grievous where this principle commands, and has the ascendant. Now here in, Mark, our Saviour prefixes to this command the great doctrinal truth upon which it is built (v. 29); Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord; if we firmly believe this, it will follow, that we shall love him with all our heart. He is Jehovah, who has all amiable perfections in himself; he is our God, to whom we stand related and obliged; and therefore we ought to love him, to set our affections on him, let out own desire toward him, and take a delight in him; and he is one Lord, therefore he must be loved with our whole heart; he has the sole right to us, and therefore ought to have the sole possession of us. If he be one, our hearts must be one with him, and since there is no God besides, no rival must be admitted with him upon the throne.
2. That the second great commandment is, to love our neighbour as ourselves (v. 31), as truly and sincerely as we love ourselves, and in the same instances, and we must show it by doing as we would be done by. As we must therefore love God better than ourselves, because he is Jehovah, a being infinitely better than we are, and must love him with all our heart, because he is one Lord, and there is no other like him; so we must love our neighbour as ourselves, because he is of the same nature with ourselves; our hearts are fashioned alike, and my neighbour and myself are of one body, of one society, that of the world of mankind; and if a fellow-Christian, and of the same sacred society, the obligation is the stronger. Hath not one God created us? Mal. 2:10. Has not one Christ redeemed us? Well might Christ say, There is no other commandment greater than these; for in these all the law is fulfilled, and if we make conscience of obedience to these, all other instances of obedience will follow of course.
http://biblecommenter.com/mark/12-29.htm
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“What is Serpent Seed doctrine?”
Answer: Serpent seed doctrine is a belief based on poor biblical interpretation and superstition. It is a primary doctrinal resource for those who want to use Scriptures to justify racial prejudice. Serpent seed doctrine is also closely related to other erroneous beliefs such as the Christian Identity movement, and the Kenite doctrine. Like many false beliefs, it has a built-in defense mechanism; that is, anyone who disagrees with it is accused of being a son of the serpent. One of the most unfortunate problems with the serpent seed doctrine is that is so heavily relies on prejudice and warped biblical interpretation that it can be very difficult to discuss rationally.
Simply stated, serpent seed doctrine teaches that the sin of Eve was not simple disobedience, but sexual contact with the serpent, and that Cain was the son of Eve and the devil. Cain’s descendants are, according to this idea, the sons of Satan, and this includes most any race or group that the serpent seed believer chooses to dislike. This idea is rooted in superstitious beliefs and is particularly popular with white supremacists and anti-Semites; the Unification Church also supports this idea. Noted false prophets and false teachers such as Arnold Murray of Shepherd’s Chapel and William Branham espoused the idea. Although an idea should not be criticized when it is wrongly applied, it is appropriate to condemn an idea when it logically leads to sin. A philosophy that teaches that some races or people are universally satanic, like the serpent seed doctrine, is one such philosophy.
Those who support serpent seed ideas cite many passages in the Bible as proof that their idea is correct. Almost without exception, these “proofs” require an interpretation that is totally inappropriate to the context of the passage. For example, Genesis 3:13 is often cited, with the claim that the word translated “beguiled” in the King James Version really meant “seduced.” Context and scholarship would disagree. Proverbs 30:20 metaphorically compares eating and sexual immorality; this is greatly overstated by the serpent-seed believer as proof that the Fall was sexual. Other passages include Jude 1:14, and the parable of the tares in Matthew chapter 13. Those who believe in the serpent seed doctrine teach that Jesus’ description of the “children of the devil” in this parable is true in a biological sense. Again, only one who is trying to force this belief into the Bible will see it this way; it is not naturally read out of Scripture.
There are literally dozens of places in the Bible that this false idea has been wedged into, yet every single one requires a person to believe in the serpent seed idea beforehand. Only by reading a passage and saying, “if you assume that the serpent seed doctrine is true, then this means…” can a person support this false philosophy. For this reason, arguing against the serpent seed doctrine can be difficult. Those who believe it interpret Scripture through a sort of “serpent seed lens,” and are not likely to accept other interpretations, no matter how well supported by context and scholarship.
There are some basic questions and contradictions inherent to the serpent seed doctrine that can be used to demonstrate its lack of truth. For example, Galatians 3:28 clearly states that race and gender have no impact on our standing with God. Second Peter 3:9 says that God wants everyone to be saved, not “everyone but the children of Cain.” Nowhere in Scripture is anyone identified as a “Kenite,” or condemned based on being from Cain’s lineage. Never are we warned about such people by the New Testament writers. Also, there is the question of how or why such persons survived the flood. The doctrine supposes that original sin was sexual, but cannot explain why the whole remainder of the Bible lays out a worldview where the original sin was disobedience, not sexuality.
This philosophy is most unfortunate in that it leads directly and logically to two main problems. Racism is by far the worst; believing that certain races are irredeemable has no positive application. The only possible outcome of such a worldview is prejudice and bigotry. There is also a tendency to blow off critics of the serpent seed doctrine as being the very “Kenites” the philosophy believes in. Arnold Murray is particularly guilty of this abuse. Fortunately for believers, God has given us a resource in Scripture that can show us the truth. We need only read it with unbiased and open eyes to find true wisdom.
http://www.gotquestions.org/serpent-seed.html
[EDITED by DTW: Ag Gert. Really. Your god has no power what-so-ever against born again Christians. Try as you might if you are not saved you will come undone in the end. Your visions are ungodly, the god that speaks to you is Satan the father of lies, you follow occult teaching, you are filled with hate, you say you do not follow any false doctrines and Dominionism etc, etc, etc, but YOU DO. You can deny it till the cows come home it makes no difference. You are either for God or you are against Him and because of the terrible lies and occult teaching you follow you are AGAINST God, and unless you do not come to repent of your sin you will suffer eternal consequences. You sound like a real Christian, and you quote all your scripture and mention Jesus, yet you are a murderer in your heart who hates JEWS. I pray that no one will be taken in by you and your doctrine of demons.
PS: Stop commenting with your racist stuff, I got you to come here for the sole purpose of exposing how really bad this Israelite movement is. You exposed yourself - thank you for that. I have blacklisted you and your comments will be automatically deleted. If you want to rant about me elsewhere, please do so. And don't forget to credit me and link back to my website.]
Barland Johnson
Yes and it creates a very sad sad situation for the majority of the Afrikaners.
That is why the demon of fear is running rife.
It has gone way beyond too far indeed.
Barland
That’s it. Well said.
And you know what’s scarier.
Angus Buchan and friends are all trying to replace the Jews (in their own perverted way)
Gert and the lost tribes of Israel are all trying to replace the Jews (in their own perverted way)
The left wing are all trying to replace the Jews (in their own perverted way)
Arabs are all tying to replace the Jews (in their own perverted way)
Roman Catholics HATE Jews and are trying to take over Jerusalem (in their own perverted way)
Communism hates Jews and are trying to take over Jerusalem (in their own perverted way)
Every ‘christian’ cult type movement out there are all aiming to be Jews so they can claim Jerusalem for themselves (in their own perverted way)
Notice how Word of Faith teachers and the Apostolics and Prophetics have all at least once gone to Jerusalem and preached from some location on TV or hosted trips and visits and cruises; because they believe Jerusalem belongs to them and these people going to come in like locusts (Joel’s Army from Joel 2) and cause nothing but destruction.
There has to be a false peace is Israel in order for all false religions to move in and try take what they think is their rightful claim to ‘God’s Holy Land’.
There are so many people out there who actually think they are currently one of the two end time witnesses. It’s a joke. William Branham though he was, That Armstrong guy who has gone and done all this research on the 10 lost tribes even thinks he is one of the end time witnesses and he has thousands of people who believe his utter rubbish.
3 years ago I told people to watch and see how the Word of Faithers, Apostolics and Prophetics start to merge with and into other religions and they all want peace. And most people told me I was wrong. Well…
I told people that Angus Buchan was Emergent and I was shot down… Well…
I told people that people caught in WoF and NAR would land up in the Emergent camp… “NEVER” I was told… Well..
I told people that people caught in the Emergent camp would land up in NAR – ‘Impssible, Emergent is worse than NAR, people would clearly see there is a problem” I was told… Well…
I told people that WoF would merge with Emergent – ‘Rubbish, they are completely 2 different movements with opposing ideas’ I was told… Well…
I told people that the prosperity gospel would sooner or later take a beating as the blame is laid at their door step in order to bring in the idea of sharing aka socialism. “Socialism, you are nuts?” I was told… Well…
I told people that people would start seeking less ‘signs and wonders’ and weird stuff and this would push them into another movement; a mixture between the Emergent movement and ‘something else’ – at the time I didn’t realise this something else would be Calvinism. Again, I was told I can’t say stuff without proof. What on earth? Yeah, whatever!
There would also be the people who would leave the WoF, NAR and Emergence completely and just go back to the Bible (at that stage I didn’t realise ‘going back to the bible’ would mean going back to Calvinism) – Must say no one argued with me on this one, because ‘going back to the bible’ is well… ‘biblical’ talk.
Now, I see that ‘great ministers’ who always spoke of themselves as ‘men of the book’ are Emergents in disguise (Emergent = Roman Catholic and Calvinism = Roman Catholic)
The ridiculous thing is Prosperity and Socialism will always go hand in hand. Someone has to make the money (or steal it) from the workers (the ones who will always be sharing).
Then you have the charismatic Catholics too…
And Hindu Christians and Buddhist Christians and Muslim Christians
religion is now a culture (a way of life) and not a religion so you can be a Hindu Christian.
Oh and then you have the anti-everything groups who just hate everyone – these are the ones who will probably make it right to the top when it comes to running the world – they think the earth belongs to them, they are the closest to Lucifer and do his bidding and honestly think they will reign with him on earth. They already have all the money all they need is a world of people who will work for them and just share the little they have and if you don’t comply well, then they just kill you.
and, and, and, and…
And they all want Jerusalem for themselves which means the REAL JEWS have to get out. Satan has to seat himself in Jerusalem as this is God’s land.
Mel Gibson who made the PASSION movie is a Jesuit. Also amazing how Mel Gibson’s name was found in the ‘Bible Code’ (Cabala) as being God’s faithful servant because he made this movie to show the world that Jesus is ‘THE CHRIST’. Yes, his ‘christ’ not Jesus Christ the Son of God.
Amazing in all movies made of Jesus at the end they make a big point of showing that it was the Jews who killed Jesus. And as born again Christians we know this is not true. God buised His Own Son.
Why is it always shown that the Jews kill Jesus- because this is what is held against them in a perverted way. The world hates Jesus Christ BUT will consistently blame the JEWS for killing Him. Hitler had a team running around searching for the Holy Grail (a load of rubbish anyhow) while killing Jews.
Currently there are stats showing that the ‘christian’ populaton is growing in Israel – in otherwords converts from Judaism to Christianity. But which ‘Christ’? To use another example, there are stats that in China the growth rate of people converting to Christianity is up in leaps and bounds. But which ‘Christ’ are they converting too?
Jesus will return soon to rapture the Church, anyone born again no matter what colour, nationality, race, language. If you are a child of God you will go home and be with Him forever. Time is seriously running out. The rate at which this false christian faith is taking over is astronomical. All you have to do is follow this ‘new Jesus’ incorporate him/Satan in disguise into your daily life and you are sorted, then you become a little god, a mindless zombie and just follow THE anti-CHRIST up the hill and over the cliff.
Jesus said WATCH and pray. All my results are pureply based on analysis and watching how each religious movement ‘moves’. Sometimes is predictable other times it’s not and even I get surprised. But it’s exciting because the faster they move the closer born again Christians will see Jesus Christ face to face when He comes to fetch us out of this mess.
Oh and there are false teachers against Calvinism too. Just because someone is anti-Calvinist does not make them kosher. And for some unknown reason if you are not Calvinist you are Armenian and vice versa. That’s a load of nonsense too. It takes 1 little twisting of a sentense to destory the entire meaning of who Jesus Christ IS.
You even have people asking ‘Oh but which Christ are you speaking about?’, now because the person asked that question now it means they must be ok. And now people think because they now know there are 2 ‘Christs’ and correct you ‘making sure you are speaking about the real Jesus and not the anti-Christ’ then they must actually really believe in the real Jesus. Asking someone ‘which Jesus’ does mean the person believes in Jesus Christ.
There is an opposite or counterfeit to every truth. There is also a counterfeit lie to every lie. Like 2 people havig a conversation with eachother and each one constantly tells eachother lies based on lies – but they honestly think they are telling the truth. A gazillion lies and they all sound pretty much like the truth.
Deborah, you nailed it again. Just how far can this apostasy go before our Lord calls it to a halt? It has invaded places that I never dreamed it would. Places that still do teach truth and defend it are scarce as hen’s teeth and they stand as little islands threatened by waves of popular opinion and half-truths and sugar-coated lies. It is like trying to stand up in the midst of a hurricane. Their is such a delusion going on – like Invasion of the Soul Snatchers – a spiritual Twilight Zone.
Wonderful response
thx guys.
1 Corinthians
1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1Co 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The mystery of God revealed in us.
Now DTW the spirit of the anti-christ is already at work in the world and he is about to be revealed. The false religion is gaining ground. This false religion is what Angus and all others are promoting. Soon laws are to be passed declaring us as enemies of the state and world peace. I am ready to suffer.
Also as a point of info to all our brothers and sisters:- Any religion or sect or cult or new wave that does not preach Christ crucified and resurrected is of the Devil. They will preach wonderful sounding words which will lead many astray and straight into the arms of the devil.
Now prepare yourselves for the last push, the last great move. God we pray for revival. We need your Holy Spirit again. We need Jesus to again speak to His church and we need the great and unfathomable Mercy and Grace of GOD our Father to be made evident in this last days.
As we pray and hope for revival the devil will now push just as hard, the same as he did with the beginning of the 20th century with the beginning of world war 1 and later again 2.
Here is a thought let us organise a day or two of fasting and praying. Let us call a solemn assembly and throw ourselves at GOD’s mercy and call unto him.
let us also remember the 176 000 or so martyrs who died last year alone at the hands of the enemies of GOD. God be our strength and shield and our salavation. Keep us from our enemies and the enemy (satan)
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WORLDNETDAILY – By Bob Unruh – April 20, 2010
A new ministry partnership has launched a campaign to raise awareness of the fact that an estimated 176,000 Christians around the world were martyred – killed for their faith – in a one-year period from the middle of 2008 to the middle of 2009.
That’s 482 deaths per day, one every three minutes.
Martyrdom didn’t go away with the Middle Ages, according to reports from Open Doors USA, which now has combined efforts with actor Kirk Cameron of “The Way of the Master” ministryas well as evangelist Ray Comfort of Living Waters ministry to focus on those who are being persecuted for their faith. …
Barland
Um, Barland. There is no revival. There wont be a REAL revival. The only revivals you will ever see will be fake. The Holy Spirit never left as he abides IN all born again Christians. The Bible is JESUS CHRIST SPEAKING to the Church because Jesus Christ is the WORD – He NEVER STOPPED SPEAKING TO US. The Holy Spirit will remain on earth IN born again Christians until He is removed (The Restrainer is removed)- When the Holy Spirit goes, we go with Him (the rapture).
Will times get tough? Oh yes! But I am protected by Jesus. He said He would protect us in these last days and He will.
Kirk Cameron and all those are NAR. Just because people highlight the plight of martyrdom and human rights atrocities does not make them (the ministry) genuine Christians. Also remember that today Catholics are also considered to be Christian. Never the less murder of anyone is horrendous. Satan’s aim is to kill everyone. Kill Christians, kill people of every faith. Abort millions of babies, helpless babies! We pray for genuine Christians around the world that they are kept safe.
Gert van kraayenburg latest email to DTW – The lies of the NKJV used by you!
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from Gert van Kraayenburg
to DiscerningTheWorld
date 1 June 2010 18:53
subject The lies of the NKJV used by you!
Not even the NKJV alone, but most and maybe all the new translations either english or afrikaans with a subtle deception of lies.
http://www.letgodbetrue.com/bible/scripture/new-king-james-version.htm?gclid=CPnYraan_6ECFdpo4wodaGDIDg
http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html
http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/nkjv.asp
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nkjvdead.htm
http://www.bible-researcher.com/nkjv.html
Gert van Kraayenburg
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from DiscerningTheWorld
to Gert van Kraayenburg
date 2 June 2010 09:45
subject Re: The lies of the NKJV used by you!
Gert
Give it up. My interpreter is the Holy Spirit. And we all know that all translations have little things wrong with them. So what’s your point? Nothing. The Word of God stands as it is. If you want to find fault because men tried to destroy it then go find yourself another book that will appease your conscience..
But because the Bible is a spiritual book that can only be correctly interpreted by born again Christians because of the Holy Spirit – your arguments will forever fall flat.
DTW
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Deborah (Discerning the World)
Gert has problems and we will pray for him. Thank for sharing his email Debs
Maybe Gert has his own Bible he wrote and is trying to promote it. I wonder what he reads as a Bible?
Im jus doing my CR here. lol
What is Gert’s point anyway. Yikes
Deborah (Discerning the World)
Just a reminder Gert comments here boerevryheid.co.za.
Excerpt form 19 May 2010 post he did:19th May 2010, 21:05
To Gert/ Henry en al die ander Israel visie groepe.
Illuminati…. ja julle ken dit goed.
As julle kan bewys dat almal van die Israel volk afkomstig is….. hoekom het ons dan ‘n Boerevolk nodig.
Hoekom moet daar dan ‘n Australia, Duitsland, Holland ens. wees.
Die vraag is hoekom…. ons is mos almal een volk.
Die Engelsman, Duitser, Hollander en wie ook al.
Dan kan hulle almal….. want jy sien ons almal kom van Israel af…. net een regering he.
Geen meer Boerevolk nie.
Hoekom so baie verskillende regeerings?
Laat ek dink…. nie ‘n slegte idee nie.
Maar kan ons maar die Boerevolk hou? Groot asb.
Hahahaha…… ek het genoeg al gepraat oor die illuminati….
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Gert answer to Bravo:
Ai Bravo, hoe akkuraat kan jy ook tog nie wees nie.
Die vraag is hoekom…. ons is mos almal een volk.
Die Engelsman, Duitser, Hollander en wie ook al.
Ja hulle is ook Israeliete in verstrooiing en ons kom uit al daardie nasies uit, dus uit Europa en is nou die jongste deel van Vader se Volk hier aan die suidpunt van Afrika.
Duitsland se suiwer mense is uit die stam van Juda net soos Engeland. Koningin Elizabeth is ‘n suiwer afstammeling van koning Dawid maar vervalle in die sisteem van die Jesuiete en vrymesselaars vas gevang in die NWO.
Tragies maar dit is so!
Saul en Salomo moes kies en het verkeerd gekies.
Dawid en Abraham se harte was suiwer en daarom as regverdiges gereken.
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19th May 2010, 21:13
Ek het ‘n wonderlike openbaring oor die egskeiding ontvang van wie die vrou (Volk) reeds byna 2500 jaar gelede van Vader geskei is agter ander gode (satan) aan, daarom die verwerping van die Volk deur Vader onder al die nasies in, in verstrooiing tot vandag toe.
Nou sal net die wat hulself werklik suiwer van alle onreinheid en vuilheid, die voorreg hê om voor Hom te staan as sy BRUID sonder vlek of rimpel. (Nie ‘n kerk nie)
As hy sonde gaan toelaat, draai Hy op sy woord en Hy kan nie lieg nie.
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19th May 2010, 21:44
Bravo, nee dit gaan vir my nie oor ‘n Israel Visie groepe nie. Baie van die groepe het Vader se Volk groot skade berokken weens ook weer ‘n gebrek aan kennis of hoorsê wat ander sê en nie self ondersoek ingestel nie. So ook met ‘n haat in hul harte, selfs teenoor hul eie volksgenote. Tragies maar ja, dit is so!
Die hele skrif en nie net gedeeltes daarvan nie, is vir ons gegee tot lering, teregwysing en onderwysing in die hele waarheid.
Dus sal geen jota of titteltjie ooit in die boek (Bybel) verander voordat al hierdie dinge net vir sy uitverkore Volk gebeur nie.
Net die wie se name in die boek van die lewe van die Lam geskrywe staan.
Hulle wat weier om die sonde te versaak, se name sal uit die boek uitgewis word.
http://www.boerevryheid.co.za/forums/showthread.php?p=333244
Elmarie
I am just posting his stuff because his accusations/questions are rediculous – we know what and who he stands for but I like to help clear up a few things for him here and there.
Wow!!! Kom ons identifiseer hulle duidelik. Hulle is die WIT Israeliete, Gert hulle. Daarteenoor kry ons ook die Hebreeuse beweging bestaande uit ekstreme regse SWART Israeliete. En hulle gebruik ook wesenlik dieselfde tipe demoniese argumente as die WIT Israeliete. Ek wens ek kon ‘n groot groep van elkeen bymekaar gooi in ‘n gimnasium!! Die Sataniese koninkryk sal so verdeeld wees wanneer hulle mekaar takel, dit sal nie kan bly voortbestaan nie!
Jy kry ook die Messiaanse Nasereense Israeliete wat glo dat die christendom inderdaad die tien “verlore” Noordelike Stamme verteenwoordig. Die Jode wat tans terugkeer Israel toe verteenwoordig eintlik hoofsaaklik die stam van Judah, maar ook van die ander stamme. Ons glo die 12 stamme sal almal op een of ander stadium vereenig. Hulle sal kom uit die bekeerde christendom, bekeerde Moslems, bekeerde Hindoes, bekeerde Afrikaners, bekeerde Duitsers, bekeerde Zulus, bekeerde Sothos, bekeerde Chinese, bekeerde wie ookal, ongeag kleur, ras of selfs bekeerde Australiese inboorlinge. Ons Vader het ALMAL uit een bloed geskape (Hand.17:26)
Oeps! Have I forgotten the English? Sorry!
Dit is hierdie 2de Exodus waarvan die profete ons vertel wat ‘n bonatuurlike wonderwerk gaan wees, selfs groter as die 1ste Exodus.
Ek waardeer Prof. Malan se siening en sy standpunt, dit is gefundeerd, maar ek verskil in nederigheid en baie groot ahava (liefde) van hom.
In Ezegiel word verwys na die Jerusalem stad met sy 12 hekke. In Openbaring presies dieselfde. Toegang tot die nuwe Jerusalem is slegs deur een van die 12 hekke waarop die name van die 12 stamme van Israel verskyn. Daar is nie ‘n hek vir die kerk of vir christene of vir moslems of vir hindoes of wie ookal nie. Jy MOET ‘n Israeliet wees om te kan ingaan. Maak nie saak welke stam nie, maar as jy ‘n Israeliet is, sal jy wel tot ‘n stam behoort.
En nou wil ek vir julle opregte gelowige christene, ongeag ras of kleur sê: “As jy in die Messias Yahshua glo, is jy die saad van Abraham en ‘n kind van die verbond. Dan is jy ‘n Israeliet, of jy dit wil weet of nie”.
YAHWEH se volk Israel was altyd bedoel om die kop te wees en nie die stert nie. YAHWEH het bedoel dat die res van die wêreld HOM sou leer ken deur Israel wat veronderstel was om ‘n nasie/volk van priesters vir Hom te moes wees. Hulle het egter hierdie roeping verwerp. Ander nasies moes by hulle aansluit en deel word van Israel. Die Hitiete wat ook van die nasies was wat vernietig moes word? Van hulle het aangesluit en Israeliete geword. Uriah? Koning Dawid het hom vir Batseba laat vermoor. Hy was ‘n Hittiet, ‘n offisier, wat in die Israelse weermag geveg het, maar hy het die godsdiens en kultuur van die Israel-volk aangeneem.
Hipoteties, wat wag op die gelowige christen as hy toustaan om die nuwe Jerusalem te betree? Prof. Malan, Elmarie, ens. ens. noem maar op. Hulle gaan ‘n hek soek om die stad binne te gaan. Hulle gaan hom nie kry nie! En dan gaan een van die “engele” vir hulle vra waarom hulle meen hulle toegang tot Jerusalem mag verkry. Dan gaan hulle antwoord “Omdat ons in die Messias Yahshua glo en Hom lief het!”
Daardie “engel” gaan so verbaas wees. “Magties mense, julle is dan mos Israeliete! Kom laat ons kyk tot watter stam julle behoort!”
Intussen het ek wat as christen reeds geglo het, ek is ‘n Israeliet, vroeg reeds al gaan vasstel tot watter stam ek behoort, en wag ek julle in en wys ek julle dalk rond, omdat ek so ‘n bietjie langer al tuis gemaak is!!
Dis in ligter luim, maar ek is dood ernstig. Dis waar ek verskil van Prof. Malan, en dis verseker nie wesenlik nie.
Ek dank die Vader dat ek en baie ander Messiaanse Nasereners die geleentheid het om Hom nou al reeds te wys dat ek Hom, YAHWEH die Vader en Yahshua Sy Seun en Messias, lief het deur Sy gebooie te doen. Ek doen Sy Gebooie nie omdat ek moet nie, maar omdat ek WIL. Yahshua het my vry gekoop van my Torahloosheid/sonde en uit dankbaarheid doen ek nou Sy Torah.
Waar is dit die maklikste om te begin? Die Tien Gebooie. Daar is net tien. Die eerste 4 is gefundeer op my alleroorheersende, allesoortreffende liefde vir die Vader. Die laaste 6 is gegrond op my liefde vir my medemens, my broer/suster in Yahshua, wit of swart of bruin of geel, maak nie saak nie.
Julle opregte christene, julle loop net die pad effens anders as die Nasereense Israeliete, MAAR ons gaan almal in deur die DEUR, die WEG, Yahshua die Lewende Torah.
Baie baie vrede vir julle.
NS
So hartseer om te meld dat van die WIT Israeliete hulself ook voorhou as Messiaanse Israeliete en die Hebreeuse Naam van die Vader en Sy Seun lings en regs misbruik in die verkondiging van hul sataniese leerstellinge. Eerste vraag aan ‘n Messiaanse Israeliet is: “Ek het ‘n swart broer in Yahshua, is hy vir jou aanvaarbaar as ‘n mede broer in Yashua die Messias? sal jy saam met hom aanbid of nie?” As hy begin um en ah en “ja maar Jahweh (let op die spelling) se volk is etnies suiwer” dan weet jy. Jy groet hom nie eers nie, loop net weg. So tragies.