What do you do when:
People trapped in blatantly false teaching escape their captors evil clutches and run off seeking Truth in the direction of men who don’t have ‘I am false’ written with a marker pen on their foreheads?
What do you do when: These men preach the truth, they have the gospel message down to a fine art except when it comes to the message of salvation. This is where they know they will trap the soul.
- They teach the truth but stop just short of teaching a genuine message of salvation.
- Twist the deity of Jesus Christ just ever so slightly to make their entire message a waste of time.
- Twist the meaning of the blood of Jesus just slightly to make their message of salvation null and void.
- Twist the meaning of Jesus’ sacrifice for us on the cross just ever so slightly and the message is null and void.
- Add works and they’ve destroyed it.
- Remove repentance of sin and you have destroyed it.
- Make the gospel of Jesus about men instead of God.
- Twist just the smallest bit of who Jesus IS, add too Jesus, take away just the smallest thing from Jesus you have destroyed everything.
What do you do when: You have people running from blatantly false teachers into the arms of men who are renown in good solid teaching and therefore should be able to be trusted?
How do you now tell those people who escaped the blatantly false that the person they are now entrusting their ‘learning’ too is also false.
The blatantly false came dressed in a clown suit, the real master deceiver is dressed like a banker. Who would have know that the banker wore clown suit underwear.
This was the plan all along! The TBN’s of the world would have their way, they would have the lime light, they would persuade the masses, they would be effective in leading millions onto another path.
This was the plan.
As time would go by (a time period of 50+ years here) they would start to preach very weird things, the signs and wonders would get weirder, their lies more extreme. Then there would be the branch-offs from C. Peter Wagner’s crew and the likes of God TV would jump on the scene. They would come in from another angle, with the same rubbish doctrine but with a different image. But sooner or later they would be branded as ‘those who fill their pockets with money, those prosperity preachers’. And this is what has happened.
Planned to perfection.
Discernment ministries warned about these people, and they thought no one was listening. WELL, how wrong were we, there were quite a few people listening. Who did we recommend for them? The ‘good’ ministers dressed like a banker, because they still preached the truth. We recommended, the Baptists for instance; because the Baptists were about as close to still being genuine as one could get about 2 years ago (here in South Africa that is).
Then the tide turned.
The TBN’s are now seen for what they are: FALSE. Benny Hinn is officially a CON-ARTIST. And the tattoos on Todd Bentley are not stick on tattoos. The whole revival was a scam. People were shook to the core after Lakeland. So what did they do? Most searched and searched, and they found the likes of Louie Giglio and John Piper, etc, etc, etc. And I referred people to someone who I thought was the best of them all; John MacArthur.
Now a shift has taken place.
Prosperity bad! Social Transformation good! Everyone is Purpose Driven. But both are bad because it’s the same rubbish doctrine as before but with a different image. You even now find the clown trying to dress up like a banker like Andrew Strom for instance.
We should never at all be surprised to be told that false prophets will appear from the outside, sneaking their way in amongst the people of God. But we missed this part completely; where the bible warns us that false prophets will arise from “within” the people of God.
Acts 20:28-30
28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.What do you do when this happens?
Well this is what I am going to do.
I am writing this because I want to publicly apologise to every person I told that John MacArthur was legit. If I don’t open my mouth and speak the truth, then I am no better than all the others leading people astray. I feel sick to be honest. I have learnt a big lesson here.
I side with no one but Jesus Christ the Son of God. I will never take the side of men no matter how good their ministry seems. Does this mean I don’t trust anyone? Of course not. It just means that if and when (but hopefully not) they start to preach false doctrine or their background colours are exposed, I will not hesitate to make them take a long walk off a short plank.
STICK TO THE PLAIN BIBLE, READ THE WORD OF GOD ONLY.
DON’T FUSS WITH MAN MADE PHILOSOPHIES AND INTERPRETATIONS WHEN YOU HAVE THE GREATEST INTERPRETER EVER – THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Good Post. It is common when Christians discern that their church and pastor are false, that they run into the arms of certain “discernment ministries” who have written extensively about the dangers of left wing socialism, liberalism, and UN influence creeping into the churches and leading Christians into a socialist world government. But what the Christian who has escaped the left wing fails to realize is that the world government also has a right wing fascist component. So these “discernment ministries” get the Christians who have escaped out the front door, and they usher them back into the world government through the back door as they advise that the Christians now support right wing fascism which is just as evil and which in the US is the agenda of the CNP. This is why you’ll see many “discernment ministries” painting Rick Warren as the devil for his promotion of the “left wing” UN agenda, while these same “discernment ministries” will strongly promote orgs like Eagle Forum and Focus on the Family without telling their Christian readers and followers that these “right wing” orgs are also fully dedicated to the same UN agenda as NGO’s of the UN.
Bob
I know, it’s so sad isn’t it. But I also think that some discernment ministries actually don’t know the full extent of what is happening. There is so much going on. I would never have gone and done what you did regarding your research on MacArthur. But you did it and you have now exposed the lies and people now have a choice to follow him or turn away from him and follow Jesus Christ and His commandments!
I have emailed a few discernment ministries who just recently put John MacArthur on their blog list (due to the fact that he now has a blog). I even commented there on his first article – praising him for standing for the truth. Oh man… :( You know it’s one thing to ‘thank someone’ but I almost gave him a standing ovation. How pathetic of me :( I must say this one is going to take me a while to get over.
Anyhow I have done what I needed to do by writing this post. I have made my choice. Now let’s pray others do the same.
Brilliant! You have recognized you own error, admitted it and apologized… Now if only some of our “beloved” preachers out there could follow this example of humbling themselves and confessing their faults.
Yes. Let’s pray that others wake up to the truth about Macarthur. If you care to, then email several of the “discernment ministries” letting them know about the report on Macarthur. It may be that none of them help expose him. Why? Because their opposition to church growth is only controlled. It’s OK to expose Warren, but to expose Macarthur, Mohler, Piper…is going out of bounds.
Macarthur has a blog? I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s never even been to his “own” blogsite.
Very well done Deborah! Thank you for your humility, honesty and transparency.
And Bob you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. I know a conservative org speaking a lot of Christianese while headlining Phyliss Schlafly who is a Roman Catholic. They have hooked many Christians who are political conservatives. They hype gold on their site while the Bible says not to lay up treasures. It is that preservationist mentality that is so against what the Bible teaches! And I was so saddened to see that Dave Hunt has been added to their lineup of guest authors. Sadly, Olive Tree Ministries has aligned with this group as well. Much of what they present is good information, but that only serves as a masquerade to make the false more acceptable.
Some of the discernment ministries are by Calvinists who preach a false gospel. Just because they call themselves a discernment ministry does not mean they are reliable.
It is almost surreal. We must press on and do our part to defend the faith and
Bob
Yeah he has a blog. It’s went up about 2 months ago, maybe a lit longer. His first post was exposing TBN. And in doing so he has words linked to all his books you can buy on the subject. Nah he does post, but comments are very much moderated. I have not tried to comment re this info on him – So I wont just to conclusions yet that it will be deleted before I try. He seems to do recorded sermons and then asks questions to the public if they understand what he said. Smart.
I need to check my email to see if I have any replies from the ministries I emailed. Even an acknowledgement they received it would be nice and I would be happy with that. Least I know they read what I said. Many don’t even acknowledge so you wonder if they even read it.
Burning Lamp
Ahhh Olive Tree Ministries. I was wondering what on earth was going on there recently this was during the time I posted my Chuck Missler article. I saw on the front page some very weird articles and links. I have not been back there in a while. But just from reading the front page I was very surprised.
Oh I worry about Dave Hunt.
I see many blogs who I ‘trusted’ and might still who knows…as I said I will wait to see what they do and say in the near future, are linked to ‘Reformata’. What is this exactly? I have not had time to check.
And now let’s add Paul Washer into the washing machine. I’ve watched a few of his Youtube videos and was impressed but something bothered me a lot. So I emailed his ministry about 1.5 years ago and they all believe in amillenialism. I said, “WHAT?”
The Christian conservatives sure love P Schlafly. They say she’s a Dame in the Knights of Malta. The KOM supported Hitler.
Macarthur, the bridge-builder, has been on TBN–I believe more than once.
Paul Washer gushes and sounds SOOOOOO good and gets people revved up, but he is a Calvinist and I didn’t know about the Amill. bit. We do have to look a gift horse in the mouth. If you are a city gal you wouldn’t know what this means. It may look good, it may sound good and say all the right things, but upon closer examination it has a rotten core.
Burning Lamp
Regarding the A-Zmillinialism. I have the email. Oh yes I do…somewhere. I shall rummage through my billion emails to find it.
>> We do have to look a gift horse in the mouth. If you are a city gal you wouldn’t know what this means.
LOL – Back in the day they used smoke signals to send messages now we have 3 SwanSat satellites that will control the world soon – beat that one ;)
Romans 10:14-17 Are there any pastors that you do approve of???? Some of the Pastors you malign here have brought many to the saving grace of Jesus Christ!!!!! Thank you, Carol Baldwin
Carol
Romans 10:14-17 14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Just the BIBLE as not ALL men can’t be trusted. But the Word of God is 100% all the time. The Bible tells you that you are to test everything against the His Word. Do you do that or do you just take for granted that these men who once preached a good message are still preaching a good message? Would you like to go and just do a double check to make sure these men you revere so much are still preaching the truth? Or are they preaching a mixture or truth and error?
>> there any pastors that you do approve of???
Hey this is a good question. I live in a small town. None here but it is amazing how one grows and learn from just allowing the Spirit to teach you!!!
Yes Debs… Word is still unchanging… unlike a few guys I met during my church hopping.
Robbie
>>unlike a few guys I met during my church hopping.
Our church pastor that we left last year in Oct 2009, announced he was going to go on 3 months leave, because Herold Wietz spoke this prophetic word over him. Well yes the pastor also had dreams to confirm this prophetic word spoken over him. To go into quietness with God.
As we left the Lewende Woord church that last Sunday my husband said , “well now we can go do some church hoping for the next 3 months”. We never got to go church hoping as it was not what the Lord intended for us. Instead we where led by the Holy Spirit to learn what discernment is, He seriously led us to the narrow path indeed. All the glory to Him our ONLY SAVIOUR!!!
I have come to the conclusion that there are hardly if any churches that are safe in our area with about over an 50 in our area for any saved christian currently.
I eco your words “but it is amazing how one grows and learn from just allowing the Spirit to teach you!!!”
100%.
Elmarie,
Dit klink soos my “copy n paste” verhaal.
The hopping was extremely brief when My wife and I decided to built our own little church in the backyard. Ons noem dit die ark…
gits!..It has been 4 years now
“Lewende woord” se jy? lol… nee jong, ek en my vrou was nou nie sover links nie. I thought I was safe for life in the conservative gospel of the “susters kerke”
Robbie
May you remain safe and true with your ‘Ark’ and you are in our prayers.
Robbie
Is dit nie ongelooflik die label wat mense jou gee tot in die kerke van links of regs wees , so het die politiek maar ook die oorhand oor die kerke en maak mense hulself hulle eie gode. Ons sal moet verleer om so te dink ek inkluis. lo lol lol
Angus se MCC is mos dan links ne lol lol lol lol
Elmarie
Angus links?…..LOL – met al daai afrikaners da?
And thanks for the good bon voyages for the ark… the ark started it all…
Of wat se ek Faan?
I am a truly saved child of God who relies on only Christ’s atonement for my justification into His kingdom but I acknowledge that I had to turn my back on my sin’s and choose His way….my only guide comes from His Word as indeed He is the Word made flesh.There is nothing I can claim to be worthy on my own,,,it is only my convenant relationship with Him that is good.
Signs…wonders…dreams…sensationalism…mass gatherings..emotionism given by men who are highly suspect in integrity and genuine concern….self-seekers…who compromise with His Word…being slightly or blantly out of context are manipulators of the truth.There is nothing more deceptive than the truth spoken out of context.
The only direction is to be really honest with God and read His Word with integrity and not listen to these charlatans that sully and desecrate God’s message of the cross at Calvary.You can read about them in the books of Peter and Jude and the Lord Jesus Christ blatantly warned us in the gospels that there will be plenty of them in the last days. Hey guys be honest with yourselves and God and read the bible with integrity and then the Holy Spirit will guide you if you are genuine. No more this way or that…being double-minded when so called dubious signs and wonders are claimed.
This is a nice apology with no substance can you explain why you don’t ‘like John Macarthur?
Jeanie
He denies the blood of Jesus Christ – JMA sees the blood of Jesus as being LIQUID ONLY.
He believes he is ELECT (chosen by God before birth) thereby Jesus did not die for the whole world but only for Calvinists
As nice looking as he is, and that smile can make your heart aflutter he believes in some very serious things and I refuse to follow this man. You are not to follow men anyhow, you are to follow the TEACHINGS of JESUS CHRIST – so read your bible instead of JMA’s teachings of what the bible means.
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