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Minister Tries to Take Down Discerning the World

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I decided to take a 24 hour break from my website on Friday, to cook a scrumptious curry, chill, relax, and watch TV.  At around 7PM I start to receive phone calls, and emails are flooding in asking me what’s wrong with my website?  It says it has been suspend.  I thought, ‘oh great, it can only be 1 of 2 people who did this…’

I go to check and guess what?  This person (I can’t mention the Minister’s name) filed a legal complaint against my website for me writing an article about him going to the necessary authorities to get me shut down - he then deletes his article so it looks like I’ve made a false claim.  It’s smart, I’ll give him that.  But that’s all.

But as usual the complaint was in vain, because I am a child of the One and Only Living God who sent His only Son Jesus Christ, who protects me and looks after me and He makes sure that false teachers are exposed.  And sometimes I don’t even have to say much, because these people make matters FAR worse for themselves by attacking my blog. Because in doing so they expose themselves and others to an even greater extent.  Don’t you just love it when a plan comes together?

These people’s attempts to stop me are useless as their god is useless. 

1 Kings 18:21-46

21And Elijah came to all the people, and said, “How long will you falter between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him.” But the people answered him not a word.

22 Then Elijah said to the people, “I alone am left a prophet of the LORD; but Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men.

23 Therefore let them give us two bulls; and let them choose one bull for themselves, cut it in pieces, and lay it on the wood, but put no fire under it; and I will prepare the other bull, and lay it on the wood, but put no fire under it.

24 Then you call on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God who answers by fire, He is God.”   So all the people answered and said, “It is well spoken.”

25 Now Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose one bull for yourselves and prepare it first, for you are many; and call on the name of your god, but put no fire under it.

26 So they took the bull which was given them, and they prepared it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even till noon, saying, “O Baal, hear us!” But there was no voice; no one answered. Then they leaped about the altar which they had made.

27 And so it was, at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, “Cry aloud, for he is a god; either he is meditating, or he is busy, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is sleeping and must be awakened.”

28 So they cried aloud, and cut themselves, as was their custom, with knives and lances, until the blood gushed out on them.

29 And when midday was past, they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice. But there was no voice; no one answered, no one paid attention.

30 Then Elijah said to all the people, “Come near to me.” So all the people came near to him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down.

31 And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, to whom the word of the LORD had come, saying, “Israel shall be your name.”

32 Then with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD; and he made a trench around the altar large enough to hold two seahs of seed.

33 And he put the wood in order, cut the bull in pieces, and laid it on the wood, and said, “Fill four waterpots with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice and on the wood.”

34 Then he said, “Do it a second time,” and they did it a second time; and he said, “Do it a third time,” and they did it a third time.

35 So the water ran all around the altar; and he also filled the trench with water.

36 And it came to pass, at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near and said, “LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, let it be known this day that You are God in Israel and I am Your servant, and that I have done all these things at Your word.

37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that You are the LORD God, and that You have turned their hearts back to You again.”

38 Then the fire of the LORD fell and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood and the stones and the dust, and it licked up the water that was in the trench.

39 Now when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said, “The LORD, He is God! The LORD, He is God!”

40 And Elijah said to them, “Seize the prophets of Baal! Do not let one of them escape!” So they seized them; and Elijah brought them down to the Brook Kishon and executed them there.

So I was back online in no time.  My only complaint I have here is that I missed my movie!

Apparently news travels fast, as this is what happens when you have a popular blog;  that the Minister is still celebrating his achievement around his altar, but is so deceived he has not realised that his altar has not caught fire yet, and never will.

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29 comments to Minister Tries to Take Down Discerning the World

  • Elmarie

    Deborah (Discerning the World)

    This just brings tears to my eyes. I read this very same 1 Kings 18 to hubby in the car as we drove to Paarl on Thursday 18/03/2010, while stuck on the N1 standing dead still for about 45min. Our subject of discussion was about these false religions serving false gods.

    You have once again proven your worthiness in what you are doing, in doing what you do with your whole heart, soul, strength and mind, because of your and our Love for Him who is so Great and merciful OUR LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

    2 Corinthians 6:1-3 (Amplified Bible)

    1LABORING TOGETHER [as God's fellow workers] with Him then, we beg of you not to receive the grace of God in vain [that [a]merciful kindness by which God exerts His holy influence on souls and turns them to Christ, keeping and strengthening them–do not receive it to no purpose].2For He says, In the time of favor (of an assured welcome) I have listened to and heeded your call, and I have helped you on the day of deliverance (the day of salvation). Behold, now is truly the time for a gracious welcome and acceptance [of you from God]; behold, now is the day of salvation!(A)3We put no obstruction in anybody’s way [we give no offense in anything], so that no fault may be found and [our] ministry blamed and discredited.

    Luke 10:27
    And he replied, You must love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.

    Amen !!

  • cecilia

    well done DTW! it is true that those who dig a hole for others, will fall in it themselves! and what has it done to “his name”? nothing positive…. in my eyes it shows that the weapons he fight with is a wheee bit weak….

  • Question, what purpose did this article serve? Did this encourage or equip our brothers in Christ? Did it help protect them from deception? What useful purpose did it serve? Will it help this preacher come to repentance? Or is it simply empty gloating?

    Dominus Vobiscum
    Jackson4Christ

  • Revelation 18:4-20 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

    MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH is still with us. God is still giving those who are within her walls to repent and come out of her. However, the day of her final destruction is drawing nearer every day.

    You say a MINISTER tried to take down your site. Minister of what . . . .?

  • louise

    I am so glad you are up and running. If that minister was preaching the word, GODS word from the bible he should not have to fear about blogs and internet sites.
    Through this site it has helped me to see how the deception is rampant in the church and if you do not have a teachable spirit you will be left behind.
    Thank you for all your help work and input.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Oh you are back, Jackson

    This article serves a great purpose. Because it brings people like you out the wood work who prefer people who do nasty things to others. What if I could not have got my blog back Jackson? Would you have emailed me and helped me? No. You would have laughed.

    This is a minister who has been preaching for years and years and years. He knows the bible inside out and back to front. If he was a Christian he would not have done what he did. Are you are Christian Jackson? Siding with men like this? Do you read the Bible Jackson?

    Ok, let’s help you both out here. Please go and read these verses for yourself and I pray there is conviction of the Holy Spirit in your life. If you don’t have any conviction, then you don’t have the Holy Spirit in your life and you need to be saved and only Jesus Christ can do that.

    Jesus Christ is the Only Way to God the Father and Heaven

    “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)

    “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all …” (1 Timothy 2:5)

    “There is one body and one Spirit … one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” (Ephesians 4:4)

    Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6)

    “I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and find pasture … I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.” (John 10:9)

    Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life, he who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.” (John 11:25)

    Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.” (John 8:12)

    And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35)

    “I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” (John 6:51)

    “… whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:15-16)

    “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” (John 3:36)

    “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24)

    “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.” (John 5:24)

    “… And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; He who does not have the Son of God does not have life.” (1 John 5:11)

    “And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.” (1 John 4:14)

    God Desires All Men to be Saved

    “… God our Savior, who desires ALL MEN to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (1 Timothy 2:4)

    “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9)

    “For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For WHOEVER calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” (Romans 10:12)

    We Are Saved by Grace Through Faith – Not Works

    “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8)

    “… knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ … for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.” (Galatians 2:16)

    “Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin … for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:20,23)

    The Bible specifically tells us in that last verse that all men and all women have sinned and have fallen way short of the glory of our God. The Bible says that there are none that are righteous before the eyes of God the Father.

    As a result, none of our fleshly works, no matter how good we think they may be, will ever be good enough to get us into heaven or back into the good graces of our Lord and Savior.

    The Gift of Salvation

    “For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” (2 Corinthians 5:21)

    “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.” (Romans 5:8)

    How to Become Saved and Receive the Gift of Eternal Salvation

    “REPENT THEREFORE and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.” (Acts 3:19)

    “IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

    “… if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.” (Romans 10:9)

  • Jemfishie

    This is shocking Deborah. I went to search google and I found this,

    Quoted directly from this man’s website

    “Sunday, March 14, 2010
    Reviewing Discerning The World

    I recently commented on a post which referred to the blog Discerning The World. My comment was intended as humorous — I quoted a remark that someone made to me, namely that being a crank might explain why you’re number one on the Internet. Having been in the number one spot myself, in the very same forum, I need hardly say more. I was poking fun at myself as much as anybody else. So, there was no ill intent. Having said this, however, in response to recent remarks about me on Discerning The World, I have placed a request with the relevant bodies for a review of the same.

    at 10:02 PM

    Labels: Adversity

    1 comments:
    Thomas Scarborough said…
    Note: The website Discerning The World has been judged to be in violation of policy. At this moment, the entire website has been shut down.

    March 19, 2010 8:42 PM”

    http://thomasscarborough.blogspot.com/2010/03/reviewing-discerning-world.html

    Why would this man say this?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Jemfishie

    Why would this man say this?

    I would love to be able to answer this question, but I can’t. So all I can say is that I have no idea why this man would say this.

  • Jemfishie

    Deborah

    Is this the post he is speaking about where he had his comments deleted so no one could see what he really said about Discerning the World?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Jemfishie

    Is this the post he is speaking about where he had his comments deleted so no one could see what he really said about Discerning the World?

    I have noooo idea.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Jemfishie

    Let us in no way falsely accuse this man of something he did NOT do. I think he is speaking about another blog called ‘Discerning the World’. Not mine.

  • cecilia

    Jemfishie, I wish to provide this answer to you: IF you find anything at all that you think could have been THE article, the possibility is big that it is. I don’t think Deborah wants to discuss this, that is why she placed THIS article. We are not to name this man by name on the DTW site again, so it might be better not to discuss him or what he did or why he did it! Might be a show of greatness, pride, whatever… he’ll have to answer for it in the life here-after. so yes, Deborah will not stop discerning (not even this man’s teachings etc.) as with all others who step outside the Bible and into the new age and new world and all the new stuff out there. but in discerning this person, she will not mention his name ever again; better for us this way. cecilia

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    C

    >> …IF you find anything at all that you think could have been THE article, the possibility is big that it is.

    No, I doubt it. I think there are hundred of articles like this out there. Could be anyone.

  • cecilia

    my wording mistake Debs. ;)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    louise

    Thank you so much.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thomas Lessing

    >> Minister of what . . . .?

    Could be a minister of anything. I have no idea.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    C

    That’s ok C.

  • An alarming event. I suppose that we had better get used to the idea of truth being outlawed.
    Much grace to you DTW.

    Pete

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Pete

    I know, but I think as much as we still prepare ourselves it will still come as a shock. When you have a conscience, it’s difficult to comprehend the actions of the ones who don’t.

  • “This article serves a great purpose. Because it brings people like you out the wood work who prefer people who do nasty things to others.

    So you bash guys who try to do you harm to get comments (from people who do “nasty things”) on your blog? That doens’t make much sense, do I understand you correctly?

    What if I could not have got my blog back Jackson? Would you have emailed me and helped me? No. You would have laughed.
    No, I would not have laughed. And if you ever have trouble in the future with the nerdy world of web hosts, DNS servers, et cetra feel free to email me. You’ve got my email.

    This is a minister who has been preaching for years and years and years. He knows the bible inside out and back to front. If he was a Christian he would not have done what he did.

    Yet, you a Christian procead to tell me off in this comment, similar reactions but just not quite the same scale. Not that I’m defending him for his theology or saying that he was right to try and have you banned, that was wrong of him.

    Are you are Christian Jackson? Siding with men like this? Do you read the Bible Jackson?”

    Yes, no and yes.

    Jesus Christ is the Only Way to God the Father and Heaven
    . . .
    God Desires All Men to be Saved
    . . .
    We Are Saved by Grace Through Faith – Not Works
    . . .
    The Gift of Salvation
    . . .
    How to Become Saved and Receive the Gift of Eternal Salvation
    “REPENT THEREFORE and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.” (Acts 3:19)
    . . .

    Amen! Though I must ask, from your capitalizing “REPENT THEREFORE” you seem to be indicating that I have some specific sin that I’ve shown here and need to repent of. What would that be? Or am I misinterpreting you? (Not that I’m saying I’m sinless or anything like that! I’m as degraded a sinner as any human on the planet, just to make that clear.)

    And I’d still like to get back to the discussion on the Rapture, but I’m afraid I dont’ have much time during the school year.

    Dominus Vobiscum
    Jackson4Christ

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    oh boy…. well…. moving right along shall we.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Red Herring

    A smoked herring having a reddish color.
    Something that draws attention away from the central issue.

    I’ll take the first definition. “I said moving right along”, becuase I am tired of arguing with you over stuff that you clearly are nit picking to try cause an arguemnt.

  • Amanda

    A red herring! That’s it! The very words I have been looking for right from the beginning. Mmmmm.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Amanda

    Shiver me timbers! There be red herrings all over the place!

  • cecilia

    Deborah,
    Nullis Secundus

  • cecilia

    Deborah
    nulli (nil) secundus (second) = second to none.
    that means you don’t have to stand back for anyone!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    ad infinitum beyondus lol

  • Ivin

    Is quite comical one trying to do that. I didn’t know there were “troll” ministers. Strongs… and thanks for the laugh.

    Ivin

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