Greg

The real thing is though that they will not prosper. They will eventually come to nothing through self destruction when the bitterness and sadness of failure in their mission sets in. it’s just a pity that so much time will have been wasted in peoples lives.

Heloooo Greg. Thank you for your feedback it is much appreciated. Maybe Prof will still get to looking in to it. But it seems this group is typical cult like and in the minority as is usually the case. We pray that those under RB wake up and turn from them and find the real Jesus. Yes the time wasted is sad to see but I believe the Lord is mercyfull and those whom He chooses to remove from that cult group will be shown the truth.

Yes you are correct I agree with you. These verses comes to mind.

2 Peter 2:1-3 (Amplified Bible)

2 Peter 2
1BUT ALSO [in those days] there arose false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among yourselves, who will subtly and stealthily introduce heretical doctrines (destructive heresies), even denying and disowning the Master Who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

2And many will follow their immoral ways and lascivious doings; because of them the true Way will be maligned and defamed.

3And in their covetousness (lust, greed) they will exploit you with false (cunning) arguments. From of old the sentence [of condemnation] for them has not been idle; their destruction (eternal misery) has not been asleep.

Greg have you any of Prof Malan’s recources his dvd’s or mp3 cds? If not I want to tell you it is worth getting some. One can order it from his website. I find Prof’s teachings precise and Biblicaly solid.

Elmarie,

I have written to prof Malan and he wrote me a gracious reply. He has not yet looked into the second8thweek group in Mossel Bay. The real thing is though that they will not prosper. They will eventually come to nothing through self destruction when the bitterness and sadness of failure in their mission sets in. it’s just a pity that so much time will have been wasted in peoples lives.

Greg.

Timothy,

Eric teaches that apostles are the principle authority over the church, so ask your wife how could Rinna be voted out. Also ask her how can Eric teach that he knows who Melchisideks mother and father is when Hebrews says he is without geneology. Eric teaches that the books of Enoch reveal who Melchisideks parents are which contradicts the real scriptures. Ask her can she explain this..but do ask her in love.

Ask her to go through the books of Adam and Eve with you and compare them to scripture. Ask her how God accepted Adams own blood as a sacrifice for his sin as taught by Eric. You will find this in the first few chapters of these books which Eric regards as scripture. It is the bit where Adam mixes his dried blood with water and offers it to God for his sin in the garden. He wipes the blood from the rocks upon which he previously threw himself down upon.

Yes Adam commits suicide a number of times in these books. You should start a bible study with your wife. Does she love you Timothy? Ask her if she still loves you and trusts you. Look into her eyes and ask her. Then ask her to do a bible study with you.

The Lord bless you.

Greg.

I am indirectly involved in the group (committed wife). Apostle Rina Bekker, the Bishop of South Africa who manipulated the group into existence some 8 odd years ago has been democratically removed from her leadership role by a number of votes from the group. She has been followed up by Apostle Bishop Leonie, her (missionary truly Godly) husband might also have left home.

Astonishingly Bekker is following “almost all” of the teachings from von Andersec. I remember the persistence in their teaching about submitting to the leadership of Apostle, sorry Chief Apostle von Andersec. So the Bishop did not follow the first basic rule of unity, which is the utmost requirement. Remember those (all churches) not solely following the teachings of von Andersec are the False Religious System. Even though the leading sheep has gone astray the group just follows the new leader without even thinking twice – blinded beyond belief…. There is none as blind as those who do not want to see. May God open their eyes!!!

After she broke up with her husband, Lucinda, the newspaper editor behind the trumpets (see previous comments), she got married with the son of von Andersec who followed dad and mom. Unfortunately the marriage lasted only a few days, he is now back in America. This sounds like gossip, lets wait for any feedback on this open forum?

Lodewyk

Siener het nie al sy voorspellings in die naam van die Here gedoen nie

Did Siener do any of his visions in the name of the Lord? and what would that be then ?

When we study the Scripture’s it is indeed so that we can clearly see that Jesus coming isn’t far of but we still don’t need to know when. Matthew 24:36 What is clear to me that we must at all times be ready for his coming and keep our lamps full of oil at all times. Matthew 25:4 We must keep awake and watch and pray. Luke 21:36 and Colossians 4:2

Yes we must fight the good fight and hold to that which is true indeed. 1 Timothy 6:12 so that we pray that we can also say one day 2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

Die Here se n afvallige nasie soek en vra vir tekens en wonders. Net Hy weet die tyd en plek…..Siener het nie al sy voorspellings in die naam van die Here gedoen nie. Maar ek moet erken as mens na wereldgebeurtenisse kyk en hoe liberaal als geraak het is die einde nie ver weg nie…Ek sal oopkop bly maar altyd aan die Woord vaskleef

Greg

Yes if I may Echo your words: I pray that the Lord will deal with them in his wisdom. He desires that none should perish.

Amen indeed.

Please keep us posted once you have contacted Prof Malan and do give us feeback please.

Matthew 24:12
Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,

2 Thessalonians 3:2
And pray that we may be delivered from wicked and evil men, for not everyone has faith.

Elmarie,

Thanks for the encouraging words. I will definitely contact Prof Malan. But you know, people who attend their meetings for the most part would not listen to anyone contradicting them. They are constantly being told that all other churches are false. You see at the heart of it the gospel they preach is that if you do not speak in tongues you have not received the spirit. They believe that speaking in tongues daily is the requirement for regeneration.

But they believe a lot more wrong stuff besides.The thing is that when people go to their meetings they get prayed with and speak in tongues so nothing you say will convince them they are wrong. They believe angels appear as purple and white globes and this confirms their truth. They believe that the breaking of bread is carnal and that the real breaking of bread is sharing the word when you get revelation. They believe that water baptism died out in the early church and that people who practice it now have no understanding. They tell you these things when you enroll in their courses. Believers have been very hurt by them. But I have written on the net to people warning them and some have said that my letters to them were timely and that they were disturbed in their spirits with the teachings and my letter confirmed it to them. These were people I wrote to on youtube. But Elmarie, I pray that the Lord will deal with them in his wisdom. He desires that none should perish.

The Lord bless you.

Greg.

Greg

Good work done on debating Dr A!!! I just read what his book was about from above link and his teachings seem very WRONG and non Biblical yes.

Greg do you know Pof Johan Malan. I have followed allot of his teachings and I just have an idea. As far as I know he resides in Mossel bay. How about you contacting him for a lesson or two to Rina Bekker. lol lol .

You can visit his website at http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/. Seriously now it is just an idea. Maybe you could perhaps arrange that Prof Johan Malan speaks at a little venue to some of the people being led astray by Rina Bekker and kie.

Yes Mossel bay should not allow a man like Eric VonAnderseck to usher in the false teachings for Siener van Rensburg No! YIKES!! But I’m afraid Rina Bekker is already doing it!!

An Excerpt from her Website:
Apostle Rina Bekker from Second 8th Week says that the coming of the Lord is near. Second8thWeek is a Christian organisation with a strong apocalyptical message. Apostle Rina Bekker has a few years ago started the South African center of this worldwide ministry. Besides the Bible, they also give heed to other apocalyptical books such as the books of Enoch. They also found similarities concerning the prophecies of the well known South African Boer prophet of his time, Siener van Rensburg and that which is happening now.

Siener has, according to Apostle Rina, saw a peculiar movement of worldwide revival that will begin in Mossel Bay. He saw a wheel rolling from Mossel Bay towards Kalahari and from there all over the world. One of saints from Second8thWeek has in 2006 already taken a series of photographs which seems like a reddish trumpet in the sky. This photograph was published in the Mossel Bay Advertiser a month ago and since provoked a fervour of public attention to it.

Only one minister says he is sceptical about Second8thWeek and their activities. Minister Siegfried Louw, who no longer lives in Mossel Bay, says that this group is bumping heads with too much church groups here. “It remains peculiar to me that Second8thWeek says that they honour church unity but in the same voice they say that all other churches is false. This is not for me to say with whom God is speaking and who not. I am sceptical about the interpretation of these photographs.”

http://www.second8thweek.org/content.php?id=275 Warning view this site with strong discernment Please.

Hi Elmarie,

Yes I know about Rina Bekker I have met her myself and was in her home. She is a hospitable woman but is in deep error I believe. I have aquainted myself with their teachings very much and listened to hours of Eric VonAndersecks teachings. Actually it was his presence on Charisma Magazine forum and that of his followers that eventually led to it being shut down by the owners.

I and others debated him there on his teachings and his supporters mainly from South Africa came to his aid and swamped the forum. People had a go at the owners for allowing him so much space and they banned people and eventually shut it down. The administrators e-mailed when I asked why people were banned and they said the people had been insulting to the editors.

I have been following his developments for a year and a half mainly because of personal reasons. I have written to him personally also for righteousness sake. Many people have been hurt by his teachings and I believe marriages have been broken because of his movement. But the Lord knows the end from the beginning. I believe that his followers in South Africa, Mossel bay believe he is the man that will usher in the prophecies of Van Rensburg.

Greg.