The Apostates from Second 8th Week ministries are still around :(

I encountered one several years ago on Myspace. Her name was JoAnne Cremer. It seems that she has left that “ministry” and started her own since then.

It is a dangerous cult. One of my online friends got sucked into that teaching. :(

I’m not even calling them false teachers. They are beyond that — I’m calling them Apostates. They use the books of Enoch (I think there are three of them) to teach that there is a third covenant, they teach people to rely on angels, and then they teach a gnostic/mystic/Eastern view of god. They teach that after people die, they kind of get absorbed into a pantheistic god. It’s kind of New Ageish as well.

Very, very false.

They prey on new Christians, like my online friend was.

While I agree with exposing false teachers, I also believe it is important that we are only dealing with things that are said in context, and that we are not reading something into someone’s teaching that isn’t explicitly stated.

This does not mean that I agree with everything Andrew Strom teaches.

Rather, let us deal with the points being said here. I don’t think that Andrew Strom is suggesting that there are real modern day apostles of any kind. Instead, he seems to be writing against the very idea of modern day apostles. He’s not claiming to be one himself.

Read it again.

The New Testament apostles that he is referring to ARE the biblical apostles that are found in the New Testament. This can be seen from the quote he gave of Paul saying he and the apostles he knew were the last.

Andrew is saying that IF you claim to be an apostle, you’d better be real. However, since there are no modern day apostles, you’re not really going to be real.

I am all for apologetics, but if we are to do good apologetics, we must make sure that we are representing what someone is actually teaching.

This is the essence of what Andrew Strom is saying — there are no modern day apostles, thus anyone who claims to be one is false.

As for reformation, what he argues for in other places is for holiness and repentance and salvation.

This is not my endorsement of Andrew Strom. However, we need to be fair when critiquing someone’s words.

Eric von Anderseck (leader of cult) – Comment removed due to extreme nature of false teaching – See this article for more info: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/28/mystery-christ-blowing-his-trumpet-at-mossel-bay-has-been-identified/

Louise

Thank God you used your brain that God gave you to listen to the Holy Spirit. It’s incredibly sad that the percentage of people who get out of this rubbish is like 1% maybe less. I’ve been told I have the gift of discernment – I once agreed. Now I disagree, WHY? Because ALL born again Christians have the gift of discernment because of the Holy Spirit that abides in us. To say one person has discernment and another born again Christian not is to take away from the Holy Spirit.

Thought I would just add that :)

Louise Rector

Thank you for sharing with us. Stand strong and hold fast to what is good. The truth will prevail. John 3:21 May God guide and strengthen you for contending for the faith. We can only watch and pray and stay awake with our little lamps of oil filled all the time. 1 Corinthians 16:13 and Matthew 25:4 and also 1 Timothy 1:19

I just left a church, (July 2010), that “eased” in false Apostolic Reformation teachings. Everyone seemed to just sit there and let these false teachings go over their heads. NO DISCERNMENT OR BIBLE STUDYING WHATSOEVER, apparently, as they didn’t pick up on it, or they just didn’t care, as they would follow the PASTOR, no matter WHERE he took them. I spoke up TWICE, (once at a ladies meeting and again the next night at a prayer meeting), to warn them that this “MOVE” is not of God. People were quiet, (some had admitted to me they had concerns), and the pastor actually admitted that “LOTS of things that go on at these meetings are not of God”, YET, he continued on with his and the churches plans to go to the July 22nd, 2010 meeting, with Dutch Sheets, Ken Malone, and Henderson in Pensacola, Florida. HE is suppose to be the “protector” of the sheep. I loved these people in the church, and realized that maybe I loved them a little to much,(more than God), as I too, would have followed the Pastor anywhere, (until God ‘awakened’ me), but PRAISE GOD, he literally DROVE ME out of that church, after I warned them. I knew that I knew, even before they went to this meeting, that they would not stand on the Word, but
would go the POPULAR route, (and the signs and wonders route), even tho they would be taking a stand against God. Poor “dumb” sheep…..the WOLVES are moving ever closer to destroy them. I warned them….I am at PEACE, but am totally COMMITTED to warn other people of God about this end time “revival.” I am passing out literature, PRAYING against these false prophets and Apostles, and just KNOW that in the end, all these false men will be destroyed of God….and sadly, ALL who follow after them. May God wake up his people before it is to late.

Thanks Derek

Keep on contending for the faith !!! I post your link on many of my You Tube videos. We are in the apostasy that the Bible speaks about, yet everyone in the Latter Day Rain camp keeps calling it a revival, spiritual discernment is dead. God Bless from Canada.

Derek

Peter

Seeing that you did not address your comment to anyone I will assume you meant Andrew: Andrew needs to pause for a moment in his madness. In fact ceasing would be the better option.

My first pastor told me, “if you look for Jesus you will find Him, if you look for the Devil, you will find Him too!” Why do you people heap curses on your own head by “having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof”. Just as the pharisees in Jesus day could not believe you too cannot believe that the God of the Bible is still alive and working in the hearts of men. You should pause for just a little moment in your madness and consider if you just might be fighting against God! Consider the good counsel of Gamaliel who cautioned the scribes about standing against the moving of the Holy Spirit. So my advice is… Stop looking for the Devil and start ernestly seeking Jesus, and lo and behold,!! if you seek him with all your heart, you will be found of Him and he will pour out His spirit upon your flesh and bring new life to you!! Amen